using to this, which is kind of the opposite of stability. and it's pretty telling that burrell here is just so surprised to discover that there's actually a limit for some folks. and these african countries on the amount of mocking around that they'll actually tolerate from europe and the west. it's such a big shock to him because burrell once told the group of european diplomats and training that he just figures that europe is one big landscaping business. you could say founding out across the developing world, from the comfort of their manicured gardens to teams while jungles the rest of the world. most of the rest of the goal. it's a jungle and the jungle could invade the goddess the god. and this has to go to the jump the to be in. this has to be much more engage with the rest, or they will find out why the rest of the will miss willis invades us. you'll see when you go to someone's norfolk on countries and you'll see people. so

$141414.00 has saved on bus now for you would have come to africa and save us. what kind of intellect to process is behind these kinds of active duty? yeah, brown just does not understand the logic in wanting to deal with other countries like russia, because yeah, it would be far more logical for applicants to just keep flowing. europeans hang around when they use talk, p r representative around here. can't stop talking about them like he's indiana jones and they're just background actors and safari adventures. such a big mystery why awful things might decide that they have enough that maybe it was time to look at some security and business partnerships that didn't involve a bunch of clowns. promising stability in foster care and failing to deliver and according to the africa has suffered from colonialism exploitation and the losing this wealth for the past 50 years. as a result,

i have consented to forced to seek employment well traveling a difficult bump in danger for road as sometimes ends in death. bro, just doesn't understand why africa might want to try taking a a relationship break. you could say from europe in order to data around and see other people like russia and turkey without for free countries can just keep loving europe's gardening brigade stumble around, hoping that they bump into some natural resources that they can pocket. but one of the things that i've mixed on don't co. yeah. okay. on the what's the rose? i won't be back at the top of the the there is literally no good news coming from the war and guys of more civilians have been killed there since october. 7th of 2023. that in any conflict since the 2nd

world war, the stated is really goal, of course, is to destroy from us. most observers, including senior, is really political and military leaders. acknowledge that that's impossible. how must numbers don't carry around identification cards after all? what begin for most is released as a right just more to protect themselves and to free their hostages has become myers and accusations of genocide and murder, of starvation and displacement. and no, it threatens the very political future of benjamin. it's in yahoo, the longest serving prime minister in israel's history. i'm john to reaku. welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 2 2 2 2 2 the united nations officials, humanitarian organizations and journalists on the ground have described guys as

hell on earth. there's no clean water. there isn't. busy a single working hospital, the area is on the brink of wide spread starvation and more than a 1000000 people, half of the population are internally displaced. these talks between the israeli government and how much come in fits and starts, but they never really seem to amount to anything. and many is re lease for a long time, could not understand why and is really government. but in the past has been willing to trade 500 or even a 1000 palestinian prisoners for one single is really hostage. was this time willing to just let its hostages sit in limbo and how much those hands. and at the same time, reports of leaked out of israel, of atrocities against palestinian prisoners. in his really presence they are deliberately starved. for example, there's no medical care. they're not even permitted to walk. and instead have to crawl everywhere on their hands and knees. and many are beaten mercilessly. now

we're learning that the situation may even be worse, much worse is really media led by the newspaper. hearts have recently confirmed that the is really military had deployed. it's so called hannibal directive, which allows the military to use what it calls all necessary force to prevent the capture of soldiers, even if that force results in the depths of civilians, including is rarely civilians, which means hostages. the directive has been around for almost 20 years, but until recently it was a closely guarded secret. now that the information is out there for. busy to see, it has led to a debate over whether these really are me, is actually trying to free hostages, or merely to kill more palestinians. our guest today is the esteemed journalist richard silverstein. he writes for, keep going. all um, the foremost blog covering is really national security issues. he is also a contributor to the middle east. i jacobin magazine, the new era,

and i'll just 0. his work also has appeared in the new york times. the richard, thanks so much for being with us. thanks for having me, john. great to be here. i'd like to begin with something of a broad question. richard, what makes this more different from any other war that israel has fought against? a non state actor. there have been difficult years long wars against has been love for example. why is this one so much more difficult and why is it so much more violent? this war started with this particular aspect of the ongoing decades long war between is their own palestinians. started with a n, a mazda attack on israel and october 7th. that was devastating. the puncture to all mess services really and instability that broke through billions of dollars with savannah 6 technology designed to prevent just section attack resulted

in a killing of $1100.00. is relays, $400.00 of whom were security agents and i, the soldiers. this had never happened to israel before it in this kind of fashion. so is the surprise attack carried out in, in broad daylight. actually, after the fact, israel discovered that several of its intelligence operatives had worn their superiors that plan how much was planning this and their, their warning was ignored. so as a result of this shocking and his flow to these really psyche, the government decided that they had to react in a massive fashion. the one that had no proportion in terms of the damages, the actual damages did to israel. and that resulted in the genocide that we're

finding here in which we're at close to $40000.00 guidance murder, a man that explains why he is really responsive. so different than all the previous invasions of what have been on and tax advisor and similar kinds of operations in the past. tell us what's happening inside the israeli government. this is the most right wing government. it is really history and indeed several ministers have previous criminal convictions for anti air of hate crimes. and for the most part, these are the ministers who are in charge of security is the, is it, these ministers who are influencing prime minister netanyahu on the conduct of the war is it is really public opinion. it's guiding policy or didn't netanyahu need no outside pressure? to launch a war that has focused so heavily on civilians and has been accused by the international court of justice of, of genocide in the answer to your 1st question. i think to that it's

a martin vera who's the grease minister. and the one of those said, you mentioned that who asked me to victim a believe 8 times in a different instances of inside of the assignment. and it's all a smoke church who actually as administered controls all of a sudden an activity on the last day. and who, when he was younger, was arrested by that sion batch and found with an explosive device in his car. this was during the withdrawal from cause i know 2004 by israel, and he planned to detonate this explosion device on the aisle on highway which is the major highways until the he was arrested and held for 3 weeks and refused to answer his interrogators and he was eventually released, so we have to really, i call him is really jewish terrace. and they are running uh the security operation

in israel. and this is why these really police have become so vicious, not just a palestinian. so of course they've always been bitch to, but they were attacking protested. they're attacking the families of the kid that the the hostages were protesting against the lack of a ceasefire. and an attorney i was refusing to agreed on seats fire. so is there using whips out a recent horses with whips, and they're whipping the protesters. so this is a violence mass violence, at least by the druid state against the is really the citizens themselves. i think that the government is impermeable to a political grassroots action. there have been before the war started, there were weekly rallies of hundreds of thousands of this river just posted the

government as rarely. so we're choosing the premier certain being corrupt. any faces for indict he's indicted on 4 charges of corruption that haven't been adjudicated. and there's no reason that, and that's in, you know, has to pay attention to this or did pay attention this you only constituency a has just been clear and, and smoke just because they control his coalition. if they withdraw, they resign from the coalition. there is no government and attorney, i'll ask you about elections, and he will be vulnerable to the court cases, which are for some reason it's in, i've been phrased this way, but they seem to have been put in advance while he is prime minister. so the war itself is critical to him, remaining is prime minister with no war. we referred to a status, quote, antiques and go back to the kinds of protests and unrest that happened before 17

and, and he is, is a read. this is the reason why he refuses to read is his fire, is the reason why he's given the hostages short trip, which is on, which is unforgivable and also unprecedented in this early history. for a leader of the government to have no concern for the opposite just course, he mounts concern, but he does nothing and refuses every opportunity to negotiate as he's fire. and by the way, present invite announced a week or 2 ago with fanfare that her boss had softened its demands, and that there was no new promising bases for cease fire. and as soon as that happened, the time jago announced 5 new dive as that must never be to. and this in effect has sabotaged and killed the latest attempt to cease fire. richard,

let's talk about the hannibal directive. this is a story that you broke. this came out of the 1986 war against has by law and was formerly implemented about 20 years ago. it has been a secret until recently, and the bottom line is that it's significantly changes the way the public sees, the government's commitment to is really hostages. so actually, let's start with that. is the israeli government still committed to rescuing hostages? or is the prime directive now to not be taken prisoner and to just kill palestinian combatants even if it means killing is really hostages. let's talk about the animal directive and give some background on what it entails is a policy that the idea of follows in war time. this is how it originated, follows in war time to prevent the idea of soldiers from being captured by uh from us. um and this uh,

i started reporting this 10 years ago during operation protective edge which was in to that and 14. and that uses the invoking of the animal dog, the doctor, and actually ended up killing to heidi of soldiers who are being terry, back to gaza. or carrying away from their units and into captivity of the idea, not only killed or 2 soldiers, but it destroyed the neighbor. and if she die, it, which is where the hostages were about, as the captives were about to be taken. literally mass destruction and the entire neighborhood was destroyed. and this is similar to what happened in new sierra to about 2 weeks ago when the israel, when the idea of mounted a rescue operation there and st. 4 of the hostages in order to do that. and to prevent from us from initiating

a counter attack which they were doing to stop the rescue. they basically went in and carpet bomb neighborhoods and they killed nearly $300.00 pallet, a pallet, city and civilians in the process and succeeded in releasing are free for on those hostages. hannibal is heinous and it fits because it's the a one of the 1st episode is one of the 1st pieces of evidence i've seen of as the military of the country willingly, unintentionally murdering its own soldiers. that was 2014 and bringing a subsidy to 2024 on on october 7th, actually at 22023. the worst on for 9 months time flies. but in uh on october 7, they expanded hannibal and they said that we are going to invoke it to jo is really

civilians. these were civilians who were being sped jeep stacked towards gaza after being captured in israel during the invasion by come us. these were soldiers who had been captured on that basis in southern israel, and we're being taken back. the reeds were in another instance, an id, a general commander, the tank to fire shell point blank into a home in a few boards where they knew there were hostages is really civilians, along with some us fighters. and instead of negotiating, we're trying to figure out a way to previous railings, they actually killed. thank you, richard. we're going to take a short break, and when we come back, we're going to continue our conversation with richard silverstein, and we'll discuss new reports that the palestinian desk told maybe astronomically higher than what has been previously reported. stay tuned. we have a lot more coming up the. 2

the welcome back to the whistle blowers. i'm john curry, onto we're speaking with journalists, richard silverstein, he writes for keep going along the foremost blog covering is really national security issues. he's also a contrib it or to the middle east di jacobin magazine, the new era, the end of the 0, and his work also has appeared in the new york times. richard, thanks again for being with us. great to be here, john. thanks again. my pleasure is mine, richard. let's talk about the gaza deaf tall and about a recent piece in the lancet. now, balinsa is the pre eminent british medical journal. as of june 19th, 2024, the guys and ministry of health had determined that 37396 palestinians had been killed in gaza. is really military confirmed that the ministries numbers were

likely correct. the ministry further estimated that at least another $10000.00 people were likely buried under the rubble. but the lancet article goes on to say that the actual number of dead could be much, much higher as high as 186000 people. can you explain that to us? well, the last a publication, and as you said, valencia does not publish reports like this, you know, just willy nilly it to has a lot of data that uses and is very conservative in these sorts of situations in which there's a lot of contention. there's a lot of this information, especially on the, is really side to discredit the health ministry figures. but the reason that i suggested that it could be a 186000 is that it's not just the 30, if,

by the way it's, the latest figures are closer 230000 more than 30000. but it's not just the 38000, those are the ones we know or day. so we have a really half of the buildings in gaza. they are destroyed. that's not just homes that include schools, universities, power plants, and rich and reference facilities united nations early organization. the entire landscape of cause a is, is a ruling underneath all of those ruins or thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of buttons. there is no excavation machinery in gaza that can like in the case of earthquakes, where you can bring in massive excavators and whatever and, and take for buildings and work for bodies. and the dog shoot can sniff out the corpses and, and try to re maria the freedom from that level. so there are,

there's a huge number of people that have their, their desktop account. in addition, you have, can, you have, uh, you have impacts that are not direct. for example, people will die of disease after the conflict. they'll die of starvation after the conflict. they'll die from medical neglect because i think, you know, the, all the hospitals have been destroyed in thoughts. so without medical treatment, you may not right now, but you will die later of the implications that it causes of that brought you to need the medical care in the 1st place. so the key factor here in coming to that number is they've compared cause or to other similar conflicts. and they said that for each known victim whose die there or somewhere between $3.00 and $5.00, the people who have died that they do not know about yet won't know about until

well after the conflict ends. so if you do the multiplication there you come up with, you know, nearly 40000 times 3 or 5, you're getting up to the 186000 a year. and this puts the genocide and i use that term very deliberately. and i think we're going to talk about that in the 2nd. so this genocide puts it in the arena of the genocide in rwanda, in the genocide in east timor. and it actually is greater than many of the really well known just science like in cost us. so we're talking about an unprecedented historic event in which no, no global, no, no criminal or regal system,

such as the international criminal court in the international court of justice. none of them, even though they've attempted to address the genocide, none of that has been able to have any impact on israel. and the reason why is that israel's ours, especially in the united states, but many european countries support the israel support waited student and do so with 18000000000. in the case of us congress, 18000000 in weapons had been sent to israel since october 7th. so that's the reason why there is no rule space or difference, right? what everybody likes to call it. that's the reason why the manager and effort has failed. there basically is hardly any monetary deafening causes. because israel, as, as if by killing many of the aid workers, in addition to killing the journalists themselves, were reporting on this. there's a 125 journalists who have been murdered in and use the term murder because they

deliberately targeting, not only the journalists themselves, but in some cases the families of the journalists, the on the 0, corresponding cause, not on which he died. but his wife was, was murdered, and this was done intentionally as a warning to thousands and a journalist and israel does not want this, reported the only journalist who side from the gods and source strainers for various media. who can go into cause the only far in general to know installs that have to go in with the idea has to be embedded with the idea for this use the coverage that you'll see in world media, you will mostly be getting the is really the point of view, and that really is another factor that renders it impossible for the outside world to have much impact to stop this 4 or 2 amount of power for protests that will, you know, lead to the end of this and as well as you've so correctly noted,

so many of these deaths are a result of disease. 3rd, starvation and an utter lack of medical care even for injuries and failing to count these debts is actually a violation of international law. the international court of justice in january of 2024 required israel to quote, take effective measures to prevent the destruction and to ensure the preservation of evidence related to allegations of act within the scope of the genocide convention. and quote, has this real done that? and if yes, why are the death numbers so far off? israel has ignored every outside sector in attempting to exert some control or hold israel accountable. i'm just mentioning international criminal court and the chief prosecutor several months ago. and now 16 was going to ask a few additional panel of the i,

c. c to issue arrest warrants for be mentioned, no annual, and lots of defense minister. however, the panel is not announced any decision. so israel, by the way, screamed bloody murder about these global judicial words and attack them, attacked anyone inside israel or counseling to collaborate with these un bodies and treated them as terrorist or an image of the state. including by the way, is really a human rights. and yes, i have been spirit and targeted as well with not just the river with tax, but physical attacks as well. so israel has been able to completely ignore, ignore, of these it is just actually has impunity. but it certainly is pursuing, continuing the genocide, the death toll continues to mount,

despite the fact that israel claims that it's trying to or is separating civilians from, from, from, from us fighters. and that's actually a lie. and i don't think that anyone in the world leaves it, but it's not helped by the fact that you have state departments, folks, people, us secretary of state who ignore this, who, who, when the word genocide as mentioned to them they bristol. and they claim that it isn't satisfied, it can't be genocide. it's as if the word star is showing is really talking points and it's leaking as if it is israel itself. and this is really an aspect to the american people. so 60 percent of the american people disapprove not only of israel's genocide in gaza, but they are disapprove of binds policy and approach towards it. but they will not

negotiate a solution to these early cost conference. they will not accept the 2 state solution. so anyone, especially someone like present by and nancy blanket, who believes that they want the opposition and power because they might be able to achieve their goals and the 2 state solution if they're really serious about that, which is another question. i don't think there will be any major change. and the same thing holds true by the way the us policy won't change very much in gaza or elsewhere. they'll be continuity. and, and, and the things that we would like to see changed in u. s. foreign policy will not change the things that we might want to see changes mostly policy regarding and immigration, and such issues. those won't change either. but in this role it's, you know, it's even more critical because you have the capacity of a regional war is real,

is on the verge, perhaps of invading love it on and but when you're war against your boss. and if they do around his promise to uh, to, to enter on the side as well. so yeah, the situation like, you know, just before we're, we're one, we're gradually, all the major powers in the region have been drawn into one side of the other of the conflict. so you have israel's enemies, the actual access of resistance. it's called include iran and because the ball on the booties and iraqi shiite militia and syria, by the way. and so all of them could be entering the conflict on the half of the, of those more. and you'll have israel in the us and its allies. so this is an extremely volatile situation, extremely dangerous situation, and we have to really, really work hard to restore some sanity to the situation. even though

it doesn't seem that's possible right now. but we have to do as much as we can to stand in the way of discharging on a trade in destruction. richard, thank you so much for joining us. it's a pleasure. genocide is a tough word. what distinguishes genocide from murder and even from acts of political violence that claims as many victims is the intense genocide is the desire to make of people extinct. the idea of genocide is a crime. nelson mandela, worn the world years ago to not look the other way. it is within all of us to prevent genocide from happening. i'd like to thank our guests, richard silverstein for being with us today, and thank you to our viewers for joining us. for another episode of the whistle blowers, i'm john kerry. aku, please follow me on subject at john curiosity. we'll see you next time. the. 2 2

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