is 4 weeks time which i took was a grand assault at the time of the full. okay. yeah, let's see what happens. and then about a week, a week before he was put on that jet, i was getting calls from him very excited calls from julian going through all the little bits of logistics that had been set up every day. there was some progress legit getting locked in his movement from inside the prison at the very early hours in the morning. so it could be undetected. taken to stance to the airport and the little bits and pieces that were all falling into place. so it was very, very hard to keep that a secret and it was, you know, essentially a political miracle that this was able to be pulled off. and i think i as a credit, due to people like you who it's been reporting on this,

fill out the many, many years. the last stood in 14 years and the gross roots efforts by normal people around the world. it's sort of restores your faith in humanity to really say no more people giving up the time, giving up the money, the connections, if it, to save julia. massage. i know so inspiring all those thousands of people, tens of thousands through rain and chime outside those courtrooms, but you didn't think it was a sign of julian's mental mental problems that he was. so hopefully this was another because he had a really bad medical problems in britain's suplex prison. as far as i understand that roger waters is being on this row. i mean he was shocked and we could see him as a body shop. john pilcher was shot. so many times after seeing your brother. yeah, it was hot breaking going and seeing him inside the inside the prison action. a

cell neighbor committed suicide while he was there. yes, one of his friends, a brazilian man committed suicide, but there's regularly depths inside the prison. in the united states, keeping company with the sort of the worst of it was, murder is all thoughts of those sorts of prisoners. and those are the people he keeps company with. he was an a 2 by 3 made a cell, but in 2019 with nose. no. so the you in special repertoire and torture went to see him and took those 2 independent doctors. they found he'd suffering the effects of psychological torture. and that was in 2019 and his situation didn't change. he had the never ending a extradition to a country that had pulled it to kill him hanging over his head the present conditions bearing down on his body and his mind. but you know, that's all over now action and now he has time to be with his family. he's out in

australian bush, enjoying the sunshine and joining the bird songs, putting his feet in the sand. so. so i think happier times ahead and i'll go and see him this week. actually i'm going to go and see him and very excited just but it was his birthday. really for give brittany, do you think, i mean a, i believe forget the guardian newspaper where i started my career on it still for the printed so many equivocal pieces over the years, double crossed and lied about passwords that were, i think because we was noticing the guardian, who's been on this through the form of you in repertoire? georgia. now with the red cross, said it was these newspapers and media, the pos are the psychological torture and that they were it's, it's a putting upon your brother, your look even now, even now you can see the legacy made here. and a lot of these so called journalist sort of wanting to go out and signal to the

friends and intelligence community, you know that they're still faithful home to them. the repeating of me is not smooths that on, even that the usa with the colors. well, good thing here. oh, that's about he killed people really relations and we really reality exactly what i mean. are you going to sue every single one of them and get the car and, and the new york times sellersburg a family 0 times today. to worry about, james clapper the form and national security office of national intelligence. the said this show was somehow a threat to the united states. yeah. game is saying things like, you know, he gave things on redacted. this was a problem, little digs it. yeah. so it's still going on now and, but i think the person that putting julian's free will, the hard work is paid off the, the millions around the world, the world leaders who have been advocating for julian, it's all paid off. so the sorts of attacks and me is, you know,

everybody can say now that when you say that the chief prosecution of rubber causing, there was no one was killed. now because of these, this genuine journalism, the julian is on state, but matthew miller, united and he blinked and state the palm and repeated repeated the lie to the press . who i don't know whether you saw that dismal press conference on the day. your brother was released, so do they've made headlines here. what is the do by newspaper golf? news? that's the biggest story in the world. even bigger than gaza. yep. and the girl as a genocide, hassan and your brother to be freed, a free man after 14 years. that is the biggest story. but matthew miller says, what did you think of that press conference? you know, i've seen matthew miller, he well, he worked in the obama justice department and he's actually done interviews. and before he went to the state department saying, there's a reason why we didn't pursue this case. that it posed a threat to the 1st amendment. and that's why the amount of justice department

didn't pursue. and matthew met and he was on record about saying that. and so it's a very interesting to watch him change his june now and now he's inside the state department, but i think you really have to look at what the judge who accepted julian's play. deals said, they said the us government cannot find a victim in related, in relation to the so called chronic journalism that julian, committed a so i think that's a, that's what's on the record and that, that's what the judge said during that hearing. so you just have to look back to those sort of factual elements that were accepted by us judge and hold them up to the slide to what matthew mill is saying, and it just his arguments fall apart, right? it just doesn't make sense and actually exposes then those sorts of people for what they really are in my opinion. yeah. and the reductions. i think it one point is really nice me of

a team there to be redact. i feel they went too far. sometimes in the reductions, why are they making out that the guardian in particular, which is the one you might have to tell a view, is remind them that it was them that linked to pos which own redacted, wicked expel? that's right. loo cutting and david lee who rushed out a book about the wiki leaks league. so the village and all that, they rushed out this book and one of the chapter headings was a password to the encrypted file of the diplomatic cable set up. and that was the password the julian had given them. he even had, there was an element of that possible cool. the salt, and julian's explained to them this element, you can never write down. you can never shed. because that sort of gives the possible even more strings having that salt element. and these journalists, you know, in the recklessness or published the whole password uh to this encrypted file.

and so from that, from that chapter, hitting the defraud side was able to research and find out that that was possible to the encrypted file. and then crypt on the website run by john young. a us website krypton dot old was the 1st to publish the um, redacted uh, cable set. so julian and wiki legs when even the 1st to publish, this is unproductive cable set. and i think that part of the education process that we've been doing in this campaign is telling that story that the, the, the people actually responsible for this on rejected lake uh, the uh, the guardian journalist, david lee and lou cutting. interestingly, julian developed some tools that allowed the reduction of these boss strows of information such as a program that would look for that,

use the dictionary to search these. these will files and will logs for problem nouns and would take out those names. so he was at the forefront of this process of reduction. and at the time generals who were working with in said the people inside the traditional news rooms were actually more reckless than julian was when it came to rejecting these names. and as for more bad guys, and the story isn't, well, we know that, um, i really don't shide a guy who double called you know, in the early days he destroyed perhaps valuable cables. it would have given us an insight into the so called war on terra in afghanistan and iraq war, they also have to be destroyed or was nothing really destroyed is part of the pretty deal. i know how to get on to discovery, which was an element of the plea deal as well, but or what was this that had to be destroyed you need to. so i just tried an

affidavit that kristin robinson has been on this row many times over the years. i've destroyed what it was, anything unpublished related to the chelsea many lakes that's. that's my understanding from what barry polak, julia. it doesn't matter if somebody else has it already. well, it was a dead man switch file. well, i guess so, but you know, it was an instruction from the courts to julie and in which he likes to destroy any, any of those falls that hadn't, hadn't been published published already. i mean, interestingly, when julian lift this after he was given permission to leave sweden after answering questions in relation to into this a 6 or somebody is political asylum. yes. yeah. and so at the, at that time he's bags went missing. when he took that flight from sweden to the united kingdom and that those, those bags actually had even more of the chelsea,

many lake that never sold a lot of di, including some of the very well known messic has in, in afghanistan. so the video though, so those are things that you know, will never, will never say from this lake that will never know about. and so the historical impacted wiki leaks is, speaks for itself really in, in what it was able to achieve over the use. and what these lakes actually meant to normal people, the people who are new, who are just trying to make their lives better. who are trying to make correct decisions about who to vote for how to make a simple educated decisions about who they want the latest to be for the war to rock, for instance, that famous cable that well, i will, i'll just stop here. how gabriel wore that in part 2 more from the brother wiggs found to julie this i jobs, have this break the

what is this? think of the continental box, how suddenly and interact with the rest of the world? we're going to relate to the wind in terms of donations or in tons of tray. africa must define what she wants. political assets might define are soft cultures, asked to come define ourselves critically. the cause of your guys, no choice, but to move forward and forward and shoot. you the as western leaders recklessly talk of escalating the conflict in you frame european voters has said the exact opposite message pro war and meets are clearly out of step with voters. and they have been punished for the

welcome back to going on the garden. i'm still here with the brother of wiggs, one of the julius on gabriel shifting. gabriel, you were interrupted by megan pump one when you were talking about the importance to normal everyday people. if people don't know who julian assange is just knowing vaguely and legal proceedings that have been talked about for 14 years, it was, it was, as you say, the was in iraq and afghanistan. i was talking about the stuff that was destroyed. there was no public interest defense. i knew when a legal scholars, when the biden's justice department, in the plea deal told him, you have to destroy some information that hadn't previously unpublished. there was no defense on assigned to the legal team to go. but what if some of it is in the public interest? no, no, no, no, julian, actually one thing that julian did say,

during this hearing is that that he didn't realize that the espionage act trumps the 1st amendment. and i think that's clearly, that was a very clear and direct message to everybody out there. what this what this play deal and what this persecution actually means is that, did you go? because in this colonial magistrate, us colonial magistrate the islands with the us of flu, that'd be 29 to murder people in the rush. we mega psyche and all that way. it's so close. i'm doing this on still said watch out judge. there's a conflict between it's your constitution and the espionage. well, did you go? no, i mean this is, this is you, i'm going to get a badge you asked sancha i, i, you know, i, i think he would have had to say something and he's very deliberate and very

thoughtful about things like that that he wants to say and, and frame things around, around the things that he thinks are important. so i have a trust julian, i have faith and he's, you know, he's ability to reason and, and make these determinations. but it was nerve wracking a while i was watching live the show many, many people out there were watching the log footage and, and just hoping that it was all going to go through because, you know, i'm not sure how i really trust the united states and the justice system, but they were starting diplomats there within the u. k. hoc commissioner, steven smith, the x prime minister can't was right, right. they? oh, yes, sorry. the u. k. i guys you said in your strategy and i to them that's yes. that's right. and the ex prime minister, kevin rod, who is now the best of the united states for struggle. they were there with him as

a sort of guess, guarantor of his safety and that he would get they needed someone that important to give us a little bit of a piece of gone through this trial. and it's because your sister in law, the wife of julie design sellers on show the press part of the plea deal means we could now look into discovery into what they were doing. as regards the assassination attempts, no britain in the united states brought into the bones in london car chase is mother your brother, vento allowed but and then she looked pointedly at the present australia of the press coverage that you can use it throughout. julian's waived is freedom of information rights in the united states, but the rest of the press haven't obviously, so i think it's up to them to really dig around and get to the bottom of what's happened in this case. i think you mentioned those plots to kill julian that were going around sketches and plans within the c. i flips the kid naturally,

and that made it as high as the white house. and i think there's still a lot to uncover it in that. and in julian's persecution famously kissed um as emails when he was at the cps, that mysteriously disappeared relating to his trips to washington. while julian was in the ecuadorian, m. c. so there is lots of new i be a prime minister. and as a care scholar assignment, this recording is not, but yes, and this will be a dark cloud. i think of it, he's prime minister ship if it is. so i think there's still a lot to uncover. and many people who have involved themselves in julian's persecution over the years who have got it on their hands. you don't take suitcases . com is a view that all the other documents were destroyed as was the, as was the procedure he was head of the crown prosecution service,

which was desperately trying to extradite your brother to sweden. for perhaps, i think most of us believe extradition to the united states. about a different route than the espionage. right? yes, that's right. he was the head of the cps of the, at that time, during that whole process, the longest running preliminary investigation in swedish history. and those, those famous e mails that were if a lot was to find the emergency with the sweet prosecutors emailing the u. k, prosecutors saying we want to drop this we, we were to come and question him so that we can move on and, and get rid of this. and because no charges of any sexual crime, no, nothing, no charges have a light and they actually communicated to the cps. if they wanted to close it and bring it to an end. and the response was, this is more, this is about more than a, an x, normal extradition don't, you know, don't get cold state. and so i think that evidence is out there, and there, there will be more to come. i believe as time goes by,

as things become uncovered. i'm old journalists dig into the record around julians persecution about the new british prime minister. so finding my read seems to be on the show, the great italian john. this is already on said your sister in law school, put it for aaron. i understand. she's not getting anything gold. 2025. randy credit go with the great american active because famously on covering boss of b, u. c. global investigation into what was happening as regards trumps funded. one of jumps fund is that were involved a company that was spying on. perhaps you, your history and all your legal julius on his legal council. medical doctors also mex blumenthal. of course, how safe is he in australia? you know, we, i'm, and i think john build, you would always, uh, sometimes mention golf with them and how he was brought down by the british government, the former bridge, the australian prime minister,

he oppose the vietnam war. u. s. foreign policy was just taken out by the british government. that's what a little strangely, it happened. so it was really politician to pay a post the united states. albanese seems to be steadfast with your brother, julius andre hasn't been killed. loan deposed or will i think the startling government is walter, real todd, right. in this situation, they've given the intelligence community to national security d o j a conviction, but they've also managed to secure julian's freedom. and so i think this satisfied both parties in that sense and implied that man in the middle diplomatic role. you know, you, you spoke about jane's class and before this, you know, he's come out saying, well, we've got what we wanted. julian served his time. we've got a conviction. so this is sort of messaging from the intelligence community that they should be happy with. this conviction, this conviction and play deal that the history and government was able to was able

to broker in terms of julian safety in australia. he's incredibly popular with these threatening people that day when he stepped off that plane onto the atomic. i've got thousands of messages, people with celebrating popping bottles of champagne saucers. some people said this is like christmas that that was the feeling, the feeling back back in australia. and that's how popular july slow one person on rupert murdoch's abc scott, no sky. because sky news in australia is owned by the roof of myrtle organizations where it goes to comcast in other countries saying he's a criminal and continuing to repeat this kind of thing. and so that is the both of those. uh, these generals that are on psycho generals that are out totally how to touch with the with the public sentiment. and that's why those sort of statements. they don't really have any echo they, they're just sort of full flat,

particularly when julian's walking around free in australia. so i think really the public sentiment and, and julian's popularity straightens love and on the dog they love and the dog story and, and he's, he's one of as easy is astray, his son. and he will be protected by the population. and by his support, the, i believe the hatred for him a in the new york times of this week, k, i because they say, but he was against us imperialism. that makes it, that different, presumably alluding to him, king that go without book when he was dragged out by british security forces from political asylum, the ecuadorian embassy. why is it because julie, this orange exposure secrets of the russian states boots instict of china, of iran. why is it, do you think that we agree? it's countries and i'll present we know things because you know, change in paying or coming e would like expose. why is it these countries in the end said no,

you must be confer. he's in the united states who secrets because julia is just waking leaks, organization with the power it was a, it was truth to power was exposing the secrets of the powerful it didn't matter whether it wasn't and the american me why, why was the, i'm why did the americans hate wiki leaks move. well he, he embarrassed, and he embarrassed them. he embarrassed the way that they struck the way that they ruled the world and the way that they use the power in, in countries overseas. these conspiracies between the institutions of stace, the corporate media and the corporations. julian, expose those, and it's threatened the whole system. it's threatened the whole system of see how they exercise power around the world and the front and the very, very front and that they wouldn't be able to hold onto that power. and so they, uh,

the solution was to go up to julian. and i think you can look at the timeline from 2017 of when they needed julian off the same in 2019. and so julians of the same in 2019. and you say all these other factors, all these other areas where they would clamp downs on the free internet and things done to change in silicon valley. i've spoken to people in silicon valley and they said, the revolutionary spirit of the 2016, the revolutionary spirit, and the spirit of the free internet was almost turned on its head in silicon valley, off the 2016. and these, all these corporations, all these social media corporations, were turned on their heads and became sort of of the state to sense and to manipulate people. and i think what happened to julian is actually in line with

that real clamp down around 2019. and i'm looking forward to 2020 and, and the last 4 or 5 years that we've, that we've lived for live through and the sort of resurgence of the near conservative project. but ironically, and finally, how important is it? the president gold trump? parties him for the future of journalism journalist all around the world because he still has this felony because he's pleaded guilty to julia as others to save his own life, pleading guilty to a crime he didn't commit. uh, how important is it for the president to, to the body? so it's important for americans. it's important for a normal americans and the people of sending congress the laws within the congress . right. have really recognize that, that what this has done with this conviction has done, has criminalized journalism, describes essentially investigative journalism. it's going off to the general

source relationship of publishing classified information, possessing classified information that's old, become a legal now under what's happened to julian, a search and is there is a huge amount of concern in the united states. we just, we're talking off here about ken ross, the head of the, of human rights, what she's actually come out against, against this plea deal saying that it is a real threat. and these elements that were used in the, in the initial environment. these elena, they sort of the elements that the to frame julian is a heck a, they were completely left out of, of, of the plea deal of the conviction. and so it's actually, julian's is, is a journalist, according to this, according to this conviction. and that is a legal so what i can do, i have ken wrote the saying that and he is yeah, i want to rush off my really actually that that's quite something gabriel shifted. congratulations and say hi to julian this on joel. the thing with going into your

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