we need to be there by the side, and that's what units of intense today. well, thanks for joining us this monday of next week at the latest episode of going underground with option baton, say as low to use my colleague way to river will be here in the i'm action or time. see welcome back to going underground. broadcasting all around the world from the u. a julian assange is free. you can watch our interviews with them, exposing google. hillary clinton's attempt as a but us democracy and blame russia that illuminate a war crimes in iraq and all around the world. it was with unique that expose jake sullivan, biden's, now national security advisor. right. thank you. how kind it was on the same side

as the usa. it was leaking leaks that expose the present head of the c i a explaining the u. s. propagation of russia that would lead to war in europe. well is of course, before his torture by britain and the u. s. u k. plans to assassinate him. some who have called for his release on going underground never got to see him go free fashion design of vivian westwood. mental gavin mcbride in pentagon whistle blower down l as bug and the grades on pills. you all have him passed away. while a silence was tortured with me here and do by his julian's brother gabriel shipped in his documentary. it's a shot at the struggle to free julian assange. gabrielle, thanks so much for coming on the show. and as the to going underground, i got to ask you, 1st of all, where, where you and you heard the news that the jo biden's justice department had been defeated by a man who had been tortured in london. who we know was the target of assassination attempt by britain and the united states under the connivance of city of stomach,

the new k authorities. well, i went to see julian probably around around a month ago, action. and he didn't mention to me at the time that there was probably going to be a resolution in down the track, possibly 3 weeks, full weeks time, which i took with a grain of salt at the time of the floor. okay. yeah, let's see what happens. and then about a week, a week before he was put on the jet, i was getting calls from him very excited calls from julian going through of all the little bits of logistics that had been set up every day. there was some progress legit getting locked in his movement from inside the prison at the very early hours in the morning. so he could be undetected taken to stance to the airport and the little bits and pieces that were all falling into place. so it was

very, very hard to keep that a secret and it was, you know, essentially a political miracle that this was able to be pulled off. i think we'll credit you to people like you who have been reporting on this, fill out the many, many years last stood in 14 years and the growth roots. if it's by normal people around the world, it sort of restores your faith in humanity to really say a normal people giving up the time, giving up the money, the connections. if it's to save, join us on, i know science buying all those thousands of people, tens of thousands through rain and trying outside those courtrooms. but you didn't think it was a sign of julian's mental mental problems that he was. so hopefully this was another because he had

a really bad medical problems in britain's suplex prison. as far as i understand that roger waters is being on this row. i mean, he was shocked and we could see him visibly shocked on pilcher was shot so many times up to seeing you around the yeah, it was heartbreaking going and seeing him inside the inside the prison action. a cell neighbor committed suicide while he was there? yes, one of his friends, a bazillion man committed suicide, but there's regularly depths inside the prison. he, the inmates is keeping company with the sort of the worst of it was a motor is all sorts of those sorts of prisoners. and those are the people he keeps company with. he was an a 2 by 3, made a cell, but in 2019 with nose. no. so the human special repertoire and torture went to see him and took those 2 independent doctors. they found he did suffering the effects of psychological torture, and that was in 2019 and his situation didn't change. he had the never ending

the extradition to a country that had pulled it to kill him hanging over his head the present conditions bearing down on his body and his mind. but you know that's all over now action. and now he has time to be with his family. he's out in the straight in bush, enjoying the sunshine and joining the bird songs, putting his feet in the sand. uh so i think happy a tons of head and i'll go and see him this week. actually i'm going to go and see him in various sizes, but it was his birthday. really forgive brittany. do you think? i mean, a, i believe, forget the guardian newspaper where i started my career on it still printed so many equivocal pieces over the years, double crossed and lied about passwords that were, i think because we have noticed that the guardian, who's been on the street with the form you in repertory georgia,

now with the red cross said it was these newspapers and media. there are parts of the psychological torture and that they were it's a putting upon your brother, your look even now. even now you can see the legacy made here, and a lot of these so called journalist sort of wanting to go out and signal to the friends and intelligence community. you know that they're still faithful to them. they are repeating of me is notes means that on even that the us see, well, the seller's, well good thing here. oh, that's about he killed people really relations. and we really, really be exactly what i mean. are you going to sue every single one of them and get the car and, and the new york times sellersburg a family 0 times today to be about. james clapper the form and national security office of national intelligence. the said this show was somehow a threat to the united states. yeah. game is saying things like, you know, he gave things on redacted. this was a problem little exhibit. yeah. so it's still going on now and,

but i think the person that putting julian's free will, the hard work is paid off the, the millions around the world, the world leaders who have been advocating for julian. it's all paid off the sorts of attacks. and it's me is, you know, everybody can say now that when you say that, and the chief prosecution i wrote because saying there was no one was killed. now because of these, this genuine journalism, the julian is on state. but matthew miller, united to the blinking state department, repeated, repeated the lie to the press. who i don't know whether you saw that dismal press conference on the day. your brother was released for 2 days made headlines here. this is the do by newspaper golf news. that's the biggest story in the world. even bigger than gaza. yeah. and the girl as a genocide, hassan and your brother to be freed, a free man after 14 years. that is the biggest story. but matthew miller says, what did you think of that press conference?

you know, i've seen matthew miller, he well, he worked in the obama justice department and he's actually done interviews. and before he went to the state department saying, there's a reason why we didn't pursue this case. that it posed a threat to the 1st amendment. and that's why the amount of justice department didn't pursue and matthew met and it was on record about saying that. and so it's a very interesting to watch him change his june now and now he's inside the state department, but i think you really have to look at what the judge who accepted julian's play. deal said. they said the us government cannot find a victim in related, in relation to the so called crime of journalism that julian committed a so i think that's a, that's what's on the record and that, that's what the judge said during that hearing. so you just have to look back to those sort of factual elements that were accepted by us judge and hold them up to the slide to what matthew mill is saying,

and it just his arguments fall apart, right? it just doesn't make sense and actually exposes then those sorts of people for what they really are in my opinion. yeah. and the reductions. i think it one point really nice me of a team there to for they redact, i feel they went too far. sometimes in the reductions, why are they making out the to the guardian in particular, which is the one you might have to tell a view as remind them that it was them that linked deposit which own redacted we can expect. that's right. lou cutting and david lee who rushed out a book about the wiki leaks league, so the village and all that, they rushed out this book and one of the chapter headings was a password to the encrypted file of the diplomatic cable set up. and that was the password the julian had given them even had there was an element of that possible cool. the salt and julian explained to them this element you can never write down,

you can never share because that sort of gives the possible even more strings having that sold element. and these journalists, you know, in the recklessness or published the whole password to this encrypted file. and so from that, from that chapter, hitting the defraud tug was able to do research and find out that that was possible to the encrypted file. and then crypt on the website run by john young. a us website group 10 dot old was the 1st to publish the i'm rejected a cable set. so julian and wiki legs one, even the 1st to publish this, this on ridiculous cable set. and i think that part of the education process that we've been doing in this campaign is telling that story that the, the, the people actually responsible for this on rejected lake uh, the uh, the guardian journalist, david lee and lou cutting. interestingly,

julian developed some tools that allowed the reduction of these boss strows of information such as the program that would look for that, use the dictionary to search these. these will files and will logs for problem nouns and would take out those names. so he was at the forefront of this process of reduction. and at the time journalist who were working with in said the people inside the traditional news rooms were actually more reckless than julian was when it came to rejecting these names. and as for more bad guys, and the story isn't well, we knew of it. um, i really don't shide a guy who double called junior on the early days he destroyed perhaps valuable cables. it would have given us an insight into the so called war on terra in

afghanistan and iraq. will they also have to be destroyed or was nothing really destroyed as part of the pre deal. i know how to get them to discovery, which is an element of simply deal as well, but or what does this have to be destroyed? you need to. so i'm just driving an affidavit that chris robinson has been on this row many times over the years. i've destroyed what there was anything unpublished related to the chelsea many lakes that's. that's my understanding from what barry polak. julia. it doesn't matter if somebody else has it already. well, it was a dead man switch file. well, i guess so, but you know, it was an instruction from the courts to julie and in which he likes to destroy any, any of those falls that hadn't, hadn't been published published already. i mean, interestingly, when julian lift this after he was given permission to leave sweden after answering questions in relation to into this a 6,

it was from his political asylum. yes. yeah. and so at the, at that time he's bags went missing when he took that flight from sweden to the united kingdom. and that those, those bags actually had even more of the chelsea many lake that never sold a lot of di, including some of the very well known messic has in, in afghanistan. so the video though, so those are things that you know, will never, will never say from this lake that will never know about. and so the historical impacted wiki leaks is, speaks for itself really in, in what it was able to achieve over the use. and what these lakes actually meant to normal people, people who are not, who are just trying to make their lives better, who are trying to make correct decisions about who to vote for how to make a simple educated decisions about who they want the latest to be for the warner

rock, for instance, that famous cable that well, i will, i'll just stop here. how gabriel wore that and for a 2 more from the brother wiggs found to julie this i jobs with this break, the as western leaders recklessly talked of escalating the conflict a new frame. european voters has sent the exact office that message pro war and meets are clearly out of step with voters. and they've been punished for the welcome back to going on the garden. i'm still here with the brother of wiggs found

to julia. as on gabriel shifting, gabriel, you were interrupted by me in part one when you were talking about the importance to normal everyday people. if people don't know who julian assange is just knowing vaguely and legal proceedings that have been talked about for 14 years, it was, it was, as you say, the was in iraq and afghanistan. i was talking about this stuff that was destroyed . there was no public interest defense. i knew when a legal scholars, when the bindings justice department in the plea deal told him, you have to destroy some information that hadn't previously unpublished. there was no defense on assigned to the legal team to go. but what if some of it is in the public interest? no, no, no, no, julian, actually one thing the julian did say, during this hearing is that that he didn't realize that the espionage act trumps the 1st amendment. and i think that's clearly, that was a very clear and direct message to everybody out there. what this

what this play deal and what this persecution actually means is that, did you go? because in this colonial magistrate, us colonial magistrate the islands with the us of flu, that'd be 29 to murder people in the rush. we mega psyche and all that way. it's so close and julia. so i'm still said watch out judge. there's a conflict between it's your constitutional yes. village. well, did you go? no, i mean this is, this is you, i'm going to get a bed julia assigned to you. i, i, you know, i, i think he would have had to say something. and he's very deliberate and very thoughtful about things like that that he wants to say and, and frame things around around the things that he thinks are important. so i have a trust julian, i have faith and he's, you know,

he's ability to reason and make these determinations. but it was nerve wracking a while i was watching live the show many, many people out there were watching the log footage and, and just hoping that it was all going to go through because, you know, i'm not sure how i really trust the united states and the justice system, but they were starting diplomats there within the u. k hoc commissioner, steven smith, the ex prime minister kit was right about the oh yes, sorry. the u. k. i guys you said it was training and i mean that's yes, that's right. and the ex prime minister, kevin rod, who is now the best of the united states for a stranger. they were there with him as a sort of a guess, guarantor of his safety. and that he would get, they needed someone that important to give us a little bit of a piece of gone through this trial. and it's because your sister in law, the wife of julie design sellers,

i show the press part of the play deal means we could now look into discovery into what they were doing. as regards the assassination attempt, no britain in the united states brought into some bones in london car chase is mud . uh, your brother, vento allowed but, and then she looked pointedly at the present australia, the prescott that you can use it throughout julian's way of these freedom of information rights in the united states. but the rest of the press haven't obviously, so i think it's up to then to really dig around and get to the bottom of what's happened in this case. i think you mentioned those plots to kill julian that were going around sketches and plans within the sea. i was thinking that julian that made it as high as the white house, and i think there's still a lot to uncover it in that. and in julian's persecution famously kissed um as emails when he was at the cps,

that mysteriously disappeared relating to his trips to washington. while julian was in the ecuadorian, m. c. so there is lots of new. i be a prime minister as a care scholar at the time of this recording is not, but yes, and this will be a dark cloud. i think of it he's prime minister ship if it is. so i think there's to look to uncover and many people who have involved themselves in julian's persecution over the years who have got it on their hands. you don't take suitcases . com is a view that all the other documents were destroyed as was the, as was the procedure he was head of the crown prosecution service, which was desperately trying to extradite your brother to sweden. for perhaps, i think most of us believe extradition to the united states. by a different route than the espionage. right? yeah, that's right. he was the head of the cps of the, at that time during that whole process,

the longest running preliminary investigation in swedish history. and those, those famous e mails that were at the lot was to find the emergency with the swedish prosecutors emailing the u. k. prosecutors saying we want to drop this we, we were to come and question him so that we can move on and, and get rid of this in business and no charges of any sexual car. no, nothing, no charges of a light. and they actually communicated to the cps that they wanted to close it and bring it to an end. and the response was, this is more, this is about more than a, an x, normal extradition don't, you know, don't get cold feet. and so i think that evidence is out there, and there, there will be more to come, i believe, as time goes by, as things become uncovered, i'm old journalists dig into the record around julian's persecution about the new british prime minister. so finding my read seems to be on the show, the great italian join. this is already onto your sister in law school. put

a flyer in i understand she's not getting anything gold. 2025 randy credit go with the great american active schools. famously on covering boss who b u. c. global investigation into what was happening as regards trumps funded one of the drums fund is that we were involved a company that was spying on. perhaps you, your history and all your legal, julia decided legal counsel. the medical delta's also mex blumenthal. of course. how safe is he in australia? you know we um i think jump healed. you would always, uh, sometimes mention golf with them and how he was brought down by the british government, the former bridge, the australian prime minister, he opposed the vietnam war. u. s. foreign policy was just taken out by the british government as well. a little strangely. it happened so it was really politician that they oppose the united states. albanese seems to be steadfast with your brother, julius andre hasn't been killed. loan deposed or will i think the startling government

is walter, real todd, right. in this situation. they've given the intelligence community to national security d o j a conviction, but they've also managed to secure julian's freedom. and so i think this satisfied both parties in that sense and play that man in the middle diplomatic role. you know, you spoke about change classes before this, you know, he's come out saying, well, we've got what we wanted. julian served his time, we've got a conviction. so this is sort of messaging from the intelligence community that they should be happy with. this conviction, this conviction and play deal that the history and government was able to was able to broker in terms of julian safety in australia. he's incredibly popular with these training people that day when he stepped off that plane onto the atomic. i've got thousands of messages, people with celebrating bobbing bowls and champagne sauces. and people said this is

like christmas that that was the feeling, the feeling back back in australia. that's how popular julie i saw one person on rupert murdoch's abc sky, no sky. because sky news in australia is owned by the root of myrtle organizations where it goes to comcast. in other countries saying he's a criminal and continuing to repeat this kind of thing as well. that is the, the, the, those of those uh, these generals that own. so go generals that are out totally how to touch with the, with the public sentiment. and that's why those sort of statements, they don't really have any echo they, they're just sort of full flat, particularly when julian's walking around free in australia. so i think really the public sentiment and, and julian's popularity straightens loveland under dog. the 11 on the dog story and, and he's, he's one of,

as it is astride his son and he will be protected by the population. and by his support, the, i believe the hatred for him and the new york times of this week, k, i because they say, but he was against us imperialism. that makes it, that different, presumably alluding to him, king that go without book when he was dragged out by british security forces from political asylum, the ecuadorian embassy. why is it because julia this ons expos, secrets of the russian states, boots instict of china, of iran. why is it, do you think that we agree? it's countries and i'll present we know things because you know, change in paying or coming the would like expose. why is it these countries in the end said no, you must be confer. he and the united states has secrets because julia, so i'm just waking leaks, organization with them. power. it was a, it was truth to buy was exposing the secrets of the powerful. it didn't matter

whether it wasn't and the american me why, why was the, i'm, why did the americans hate when he likes more? well, he, he embarrassing, he embarrassed them. he embarrassed the way that they struck the way that they ruled the world and the way that they use the power in, in countries overseas. these conspiracies between the institutions of stace, the corporate media and the corporations. julian, expose those, and it's threatened the whole system. it's threatened the whole system of see how they exercise power around the world, and they will frighten the very, very front and that they wouldn't be able to hold onto that power. and so they, uh, the solution was to go up to julian, and i think you can look at the timeline from 2017 of when they need a julian of the same in 2019. and so julians of the same in 2019. and you say all

these other factors, all these other areas where they would clamp downs on the free incident and things started to change in silicon valley. i've spoken to people in silicon valley and they said, the revolutionary spirit of the 2016, the revolutionary spirit, and the spirit of the free internet was almost turned on its head in silicon valley, off to 2016. and these, all these corporations, all these social media corporations, were turned on their heads and became sort of of the state defense and to manipulate people. and i think what happened to julian is actually in line with that real clamp down around 2019. and i'm looking forward to 2020 and, and the last 4 or 5 years that we've, that we've lived for live through and the sort of resurgence of the near conservative project. but ironically, and finally,

how important is it to the president all trump parties, him for the future of journalism journalist all around the world because he still has this felony that he's pleaded guilty to julia as others to save his own life, pleading guilty to a crime he didn't commit uh, how important is it for the president to as to the body. so it's important for americans. it's important for a normal americans and the people of sending congress the laws within the congress . right. have really recognize that, that what this has done with this conviction has done, has criminalized gen, was this, it describes essentially investigative journalism. it's going off to the general source relationship of publishing classified information, possessing classified information. that's all become a legal now under what's happened to julie in a search and is there is a huge amount of concern in the united states. we just were talking of here about

ken ross, the head of the of human rights. what she's actually come out against, against this plea deal, saying that it is a real threat. and these elements that were used in the, in the initial indictment, these element a sort of the elements that the, to frame julian as a heck a, they were completely left out of, of, of the plea deal of the conviction. and so it's actually, julian's is, is a journalist according to this, according to this conviction. and that is a legal so what i can do, i have ken wrote the saying that and he's the hunter rush. oh really? that's the, that's quite something gabriel shifted. congratulations and say hi to julian this on joel the team of going into go. yeah, thank you option. thank you. continued condolences also to those bereaved by u. k. u s e u, i'm genocide will be back on monday after this week. celebrations of opec plus is venezuela's independence day with the grades that is in your power bill. the new

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