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before his torture by britain and the u. s. u. k. plans to assassinate him. some who have called for his release on going underground never got to see him go free fashion design, a vivian, westwood mentor, gavin mccloud in pentagon whistleblower down ellsberg and the grades on pills. you all have him passed away while a silence was tortured with me. here in, due by his julian's brother gabriel shipped in his documentary, it's like a shot at the struggle to free julian assange. gabriel, thank so much for coming on the show and as video to going underground. i got to ask you, 1st of all, where, where you and you heard the news that joe biden's justice department had been defeated by a man who had been tortured in london. who we know was the target of assassination attempts by britain and the united states. under the connivance of city of stomach and u. k. authorities. well, i went to see julian probably around around a month ago,

action and he didn't mention to me at the time that there was probably going to be a resolution in down the track, possibly 3 weeks. 4 weeks time, which i took was a grand assault at the time for like a. yeah, let see what happens. and then about a week, a week before he was put on the jet, i was getting calls from him very excited calls from julian going through all the little bits of logistics that had been set up every day. there was some progress legit getting locked in his movement from inside the prison at the very early hours in the morning. so he could be undetected taken to stance to the airport and the little bits and pieces that were all falling into place. so it was very, very hard to keep that a secret and it was, you know, essentially

a political miracle that this was able to be pulled off. i think, or credit due to people like you who have been reporting on this a little. some of the many, many is the last 1314 years and the growth roots. if it's by normal people around the world, it sort of restores your faith in humanity to really say no more people giving up the time, giving up the money, the connections. if it's to save, join us on, i know so inspiring all those thousands of people, tens of thousands through rain and chime outside those courtrooms. but you didn't think it was a sign of julian's um, mental mental problems that he was. so hopefully this was another because he had a really bad medical problems in britain's super ex prisoners. as far as i understand that roger waters is being on the show. i mean,

he was shocked and we could see him visibly shocked on pilcher was shot so many times up to senior brother. yeah, it was heartbreaking going and seeing him inside the inside the prison option, a cell neighbor committed suicide while he was there. yes. one of his friends, a bazillion man, committed suicide, but there's regularly deaths inside the prison. he, the inmates, he's keeping company with the sort of the worst of it was, murder is all thoughts of those sorts of prisoners. and those of the people he keeps company with. he was in a 2 by 3 made a cell, but in 2019 with nose. no. so the you in special repertoire and torture went to see him and took those 2 independent doctors. they found he did suffering the effects of psychological torture, and that was in 2019 and his situation didn't change. he had the never ending the extradition to a country that had pulled it to kill him hanging over his head at the present

conditions bearing down on his body and his mind. but you know that's all over now action. and now he has time to be with his family. he's out in the straight and bush, enjoying the sunshine and joining the bird songs, putting his feet in the sand. uh so i think happier times ahead and i'll go and see him this week. actually i'm going to go and see him in various sizes, but it was his birthday. really forgive brittany. do you think? i mean, a, i believe, forget the guardian newspaper where i started my career on it still printed so many equivocal pieces over the years, double crossed and lied about passwords that were, i think because we have noticed that the guardian, who's been on the street with the form you in repertory georgia, now with the red cross said it was these newspapers in media. there are parts of the psychological torch and that they were it's a putting upon your brother,

your look even now. even now you can see the legacy made here, and a lot of these so called journalist sort of wanting to go out and signal to the friends and intelligence community. you know that they're still faithful home to them. they are repeating. all me is notes means that on even that the us save the all is well good thing here. oh, that's about he killed people who are relations with any reality exactly what i mean. are you going to sue every single one of them and get the car and, and the new york times sellersburg a families 0 times today to have a james cloud for the form and national security office of national intelligence. the said this show was somehow a threat to the united states. yeah. game is saying things like, you know, he gave things on redacted. this was a problem, little digs it. yeah. so it's still going on now and, but i think the person that putting julian's free. yeah, well the, the hard work is paid off the, the millions around the world,

the world leaders who have been advocating for julian, it's all paid off. so they sorts of attacks and it's me is, you know, everybody can say now that what you say that the chief prosecution i wrote because saying there was no one was killed. now because of these, this genuine journalism, the julian is on state. but matthew miller, united to the blinking state department, repeated, repeated the lie to the press. who i don't know whether you saw that dismal press conference on the day. your brother was released for 2 days made headlines here. what is the do by newspaper golf news? that's the biggest story in the world even bigger than gaza. yeah. and the guys a genocide, hassan and your brother to be freed. a free man after 14 years. that is the biggest story, but matthew miller says, what did you think of that press conference? you know, i've seen matthew miller, he well, he worked in the obama justice department and he's actually done interviews. and before he went to the state department saying there's

a reason why we didn't pursue this case, that it posed a threat to the 1st amendment. and that's why the amount of justice department didn't pursue. and matthew met and it was on record about saying that. and so it's a very interesting to watch him change his june now and now he's inside the state department, but i think you really have to look at what the judge who accepted julian's play. deals said, they said the us government cannot find a victim in related, in relation to the so called chronic journalism that julian, committed a so i think that's a, that's what's on the record and that, that's what the judge said during that hearing. so you just have to look back to those sort of factual elements that were accepted by us judge and hold them up to a slide to what matthew mill is saying, and it just his arguments fall apart, right? it just doesn't make sense and actually exposes them. those sorts of people for

what they really are in my opinion. yeah. and the reductions. i think it one point is really nice me of a team there to be redact. i feel they went too far. sometimes in the reductions, why are they making out that the guardian in particular, which is the one you went up to trailer view, is remind them that it was them that linked to pulse which own redacted, wicked expel? that's right. loo cutting and david lee who rushed out a book about the wiki leaks league. so the village and all that, they rushed out this book and one of the chapter headings was a password to the encrypted file of the diplomatic cable set up. and that was the password the julian had given them. he even had, there was an element of that possible called a salt. and julian explained to them this element, you can never write down. you can never share. because that sort of gives the possible even more strings, having that soul tell them. and, and these journalists, you know,

in the recklessness published the whole password to this encrypted file. and so from that, from that chapter, hitting a different tag was able to do research and find out that that was the possible to the encrypted file. and then crypt on the website run by john young. a us web site group time dot old was the 1st to publish the i'm rejected a cable set. so julian and wiki legs when even the 1st to publish, this is unproductive cable set. and i think that part of the education process that we've been doing in this campaign is telling that story that the, the, the people actually responsible for this on rejected lake. uh, the uh, the guardian june was david lee and lou cutting. interestingly, julian developed some tools that allowed the reduction of these

voss crows of information such as a program that would look for that, use the dictionary to search these, these war files and will logs for problem nouns and would take out those names. so he was at the forefront of this process of reduction and at the time generalist, who were working with in said the people inside the traditional news rooms were actually more reckless than julian was when it came to rejecting these names. and as for more bad guys in the story, is it? well, we know that, um, i really don't shy a guy who uh, double called, you know, on the early days he destroyed perhaps valuable cables. it would have given us an insight into the so called war on terra in afghanistan and iraq. will they also have to be destroyed or it was nothing really destroyed as part of the pre deal. i

know how to get them to discovery, which is an element of simply deal as well, but and what was this that had to be destroyed? you knew? so i'm just driving an affidavit that kristin robinson has been on this row many times over the years. i destroyed what it was, anything unpublished related to the chelsea many lakes that's. that's my understanding from what barry polak. julie, and it doesn't matter if somebody else has it already. well, it was a dead man switch file. well, i guess so, but you know, it was an instruction from the courts to julian in which he likes to destroy any, any of those falls that hadn't, hadn't been published published already. i mean, interestingly, when julian left this after he was given permission to leave sweden after answering questions in relation to in, into this a 6 or somebody's political asylum. yes. yeah. and so at the, at that time, his bags went missing when he took that slot from sweden to the united kingdom. and

that those, those bags actually had even more of the chelsea, many lake that never sold a lot of di, including some of the very will not mess because in enough dentist in. so the video, the so those are things that you know, will never, will never say from this lake that will never know about. and so the historical impacted wiki likes is, speaks for itself really in, in what it was able to achieve over the use. and what these lakes actually meant to normal people, people who are not, who are just trying to make their lives better, who are trying to make correct decisions about who to vote for how to make a simple educated decisions about who they want the latest to be for the war in iraq, for instance, that famous cable that well i will, i'll just stop if you have

a real war that in part 2 more from the brother we're getting sign. did you need us on jobs with this break? the pick up with them for me to put them would we get to the side of celia? was this because it did just wouldn't care to get through the new year for g teach . so i know for me teaching safeco scholars should to go and you have to do this. i'm going to west, i look forward to you with that. the for she's much, it's uh, ocean by cheap, and when you move to move them, oh no, no moving stuff from 1st month to most of the amount of water to move. let me look the continue. i will just, i get i as well as to the lowest, the dates i'm going to, i'll study to the progressive rock and you see the shortest finish. this is just all just for good news. i'm a fraction of when you come thing to do friday is the material ordering some of our

people for the, for sure. enter them in the commercial induction to some of this the welcome back to going under. got, and i'm still here with the brother of wiggs found to julia. that's on gabriel shifting. gabriel, you were interrupted by me in part one when you were talking about the importance to normal everyday people. if people don't know who julia massage is just knowing vaguely and legal proceedings that have been talked about for 14 years, it was, it was, as you say, the was in iraq and afghanistan. i was talking about this stuff that was destroyed . there was no public interest defense. i knew when a legal scholars, when the biden's justice department, in the plea deal told him, you have to destroy some information that hadn't previously unpublished. there was

no defense on assigned to the legal team to go. but what if some of it is in the public interest? no, no, no, no, julian, actually one thing the julian didn't say during this hearing is that that he didn't realize that the espionage act trumps the the 1st amendment. and i think that's plea, that was a very clear and direct message to everybody out there. what this what this play deal and what this prosecution actually means is that, did you go? because in this colonial magistrate, us colonial magistrate the islands with the us of flu, that'd be 29th to murder people in the rush. we mega psyche and all that way. it's so close. i'm julia. so i'm still said watch out judge. there's a conflict between are y'all constitution in the us village? well, because you go, no, i mean this is, this is you, i'm going to get

a bed julia assigned to you. i, i, you know, i, i think he would have had to size. i'm thinking and he's very deliberate and very thoughtful about things like that that he wants to say and, and frame things around around the things that he thinks are important. so i have a trust julian, i have faith and he's, yeah, he's ability to raise and make these determinations. but it was nerve wracking. i was watching live the actual many, many people out there were watching the log footage and, and just hoping that it was all going to go through because, you know, i'm not sure how i really trust the united states and the justice system. but they were starting, diplomats there with him the u. k. commissioner steven smith, the ex prime minister catalan's. right. right. they oh yes, sorry. the u. k. i guys you said it was training and the mattress. yes. that's right. and the next prime minister, kevin rod,

who is now the ambassador to the united states for strength. they were there with him as a sort of, i guess, guarantor of his safety and that he would get, they needed someone that important to give us a little bit of a piece of gold because of this trial. and it's because your sister in law, the wife of julia design sellers on show the press part of the plea deal means we could now look into discovery into what they were doing. as regards the assassination attempt, no britain in the united states brought into some bones in london car chase is mud, your brother vento allowed but. and then she looked pointedly at the president, australia, the prescott, that you can use it throughout julian's way. this freedom of information rights in the united states, but the rest of the press having, obviously, so i think it's up to them to really dig around and get to the bottom of what's

happened in this case. i think you mentioned those plots to kill julian that were going around sketches and plans within the c i flips to keep that julian that made it as high as the white house. and i think there's still a lot to uncover it in that. and in julian's persecution famously kissed um as emails when he was at the cps, that mysteriously disappeared relating to his trips to washington. while julian was in the ecuadorian, m. c. so there is lots of new. i be a prime minister and i was like a scholar at the time of this recording is not, but yes, and this will be a dark cloud. i think of it. he's prime minister ship if it is. so i think there's still a lot to uncover, and many people who is involved themselves in julian's persecution, of the youths who have got it on their hands. you don't take that. he has cut them,

is a view that all the other documents were destroyed as was the, as was the procedure, he was head of the crown prosecution service, which was desperately trying to extradite your brother to sweden. for perhaps, i think most of us believe extradition to the united states by a different route than the espionage. right? yes, that's right. he was the head of the cps of the, at that time during that whole process, the longest running preliminary investigation in swedish history. and those, those famous emails that were if a lot less defined emergency with the swedish prosecutors emailing the u. k. prosecutors saying we want to drop this we, we were to come and question him so that we can move on and, and get rid of this. and because no charges of any sexual car, no, nothing, no charges of a light. and they actually communicated to the cps that they wanted to close it and bring it to an end. and the response was, this is more, this is about more than a, an x, normal extradition don't, you know,

don't get cold state. and so i think that evidence is out there and there, there will be more to come, i believe, as, as time goes by, as things become uncovered. i'm a journalist, dig into the record around julian's persecution about the new british prime minister. so finding my read seems to be on the show, the great value, enjoying this is already on such as history laws cool. put it for air in i understand she's not getting anything gold. 2025 randy credit go with the great american active schools. famously on covering boss of b, u. c. global investigation into what was happening as regards trump's funded one of jumps fund is that we were involved the company that was spying on. perhaps you, your district or illegal, julia decided legal counsel of the medical delta's. also mex blumenthal, of course, has a busy in australia, you know, we, um, i think jump hills, you would always, uh,

sometimes mention golf with them and how he was brought down by the british government, the former bridge, the australian prime minister, he opposed the vietnam war u. s. foreign policy was just taken out by the british government. that's what a little strangely, it happened. so it was really politician to pay a post the united states. albanese seems to be steadfast with your brother, julius andre hasn't been killed, let alone deposed your. well, i think the startling government is walter, real todd, right? in this situation. they've given the intelligence community to national security d o j a conviction. but they've also managed to secure julian's freedom. and so i think this satisfied both parties in that sense and implied that man in the middle diplomatic role. you know, you spoke about change classes before this, you know, he's come out saying, well, we've got what we wanted. julian served his time, we've got a conviction. so this is sort of messaging from the intelligence community that they should be happy with. this conviction,

this conviction and play deal that is try and government was able to was able to broker in terms of julian safety in australia. he's incredibly popular with these stranding people that day when he stepped off that plane onto the topic. i got thousands of messages, people were celebrating, popping bottles of champagne. so some people said this is like christmas. that that was the feeling, the feeling back back in australia. that's how popular julia. i saw one person on rupert murdoch's abc sky, no sky. because sky news in australia is owned by the model organizations where it goes to comcast in other countries saying he's a criminal and continuing to repeat this kind of thing. and so that is the, those of those, uh, these generals that are on psycho generals that are out totally how to touch with the, with the public sentiment. and that's why those sort of statements,

they don't really have any echo they. they're just sort of full flat, particularly when julians walking around free in australia. so i think really the public sentiment and, and julian's popularity straightens loveland under dog 11 under dog story. and, and he's, he's one of, as he's a, is astride his son and he will be protected by the population. and by his support, the, i believe the hatred for him a in the new york times of this week, k, i because they say, but he was against us imperialism. that makes it, that different, presumably alluding to him, tying that go without book when he was dragged out by british security forces from political asylum, the ecuadorian embassy. why is it because julie, this orange exposure secrets of the russian states boot instinct of china, of iran. why is it, do you think the wiggly, it's countries?

and i'm presuming not things of boozy unless you didn't bring or coming me would like expose. why is it these countries in the end said no, you must be confer. he's in the united states who secrets because julia, so i'm just waking looks organization with the power it was a, it was truth to i was exposing the secrets of the powerful it didn't matter whether it wasn't and the american me why, why was the amount, why did the americans hate wiki leaks move? well he, he embarrassed, and he embarrassed them. he embarrassed the way that they struck the way that they ruled the world and the way that they use the power in, in countries overseas. these conspiracies between the institutions of stace, the corporate media and the corporations. julian, expose those, and it's written the whole system. it's written the whole system of see how they

exercise power around the world and they were front and that was very, very frightened that they wouldn't be able to hold onto that power. and so they, uh, the solution was to go up to julian, and i think you can look at the timeline from 2017 of when they need a julian off the same in 2019. and so, julian's off the scene in 2019, and you see all these other factors, all these other areas where they were clamped down on the free internet and things started to change in silicon valley. i've spoken to people in silicon valley and they said, the revolutionary spirit of the 2016, the revolutionary spirit, and the spirit of the free internet was almost turned on its head in. so we can valley off to 2016. and these, all these corporations, all these social media corporations, were turned on their heads and became sort of of the state to sense and

to manipulate people. and i think what happened to julian is actually in line with that real clamp down around 2019. and i'm looking forward to 2020 and the last 4 or 5 years that we've, that we've lived for live through and the sort of resurgence of the conservative project. but ironically, and finally, how important is it to the president gold trump? parties him for the future of journalism journalist all around the world because he still has this felony because he's pleaded guilty to julia as well as to save his own life, pleading guilty to a crime he didn't commit. uh, how important is it for the president to, to body? so it's important for americans, it's important for a normal americans and the people of sending congress the laws within the congress . right. have really recognize that, that what this has done with this conviction has done,

has criminalized gen, was this, it describes essentially investigative journalism. it's going off to the general source relationship of publishing classified information, possessing classified information. that's all become a legal now under what's happening to julian massage and is there is a huge amount of concern in the united states. we just were talking affair about ken ross vx head of the of human rights, which has actually come out against against this plea. deal saying that it is a real threat and these elements that were used in the, in the initial environment, these element, they sort of the elements that the to frame julian is a hacker. they were completely left out of, of all of the plea deal of the conviction. and so it's actually, julian is, is a journalist according to this, according to this conviction. and that is a legal. so what i can do, i have ken wrote the saying that and these yeah,

hunter rush. oh really? that's the that's quite something gabriel shifted. congratulations and say hi to julian this onto the team with going into your yeah, thank you option. thank you. continued condolences also to those bereaved by u. k. u. s. u, i'm genocide will be back on monday of this week. celebrations of opec plus is venezuela's independence day with the grades on his annual parent bill. a new book, referencing julia saunders information investigates the u. s. u k. attempt to destroy the country with the world's largest oil resources until then keep in touch by the social media of it. so extensive new a country and i do i channel going underground tv and rumbled, i'll come to watch new and old episodes of going underground see monday the

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