the the time action or time. see welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world. from the u. a. julian assange is free. you can watch our interviews with them, exposing google hillary clinton's attempt as a but us democracy and blame russia. that hello nato will crimes in iraq and all around the world. it was wiki leaks that expose jake sullivan. biden's. now national security advisor. right. thank you. how kind it was on the same side as the usa. it was leaking, leaks that expose the present head of the ca, explaining the u. s. propagation of russia that would lead to war in europe. well is of course, before his torture by britain and the u. s. u k. plans to assassinate him. some who

have cold res release on going underground never got to see him go free fashion design, a vivian, westwood mentor, gavin mccloud, in pentagon whistle blower down ellsberg and the grades on pills. you all have him passed away while asylum. she was tortured with me. here and do buys. julian's brother gabriel shipped in his documentary. it's like a shot at the struggle to free julian assange. gabrielle, thanks so much for coming on the show and as video to going underground. i got to ask you, 1st of all, where, where you and you heard the news that the jo biden's justice department had been defeated by a man who had been tortured in london. who we know was the target of assassination attempts by britain then the united states, under the connivance of city of stomach, the new k authorities. well, i went to see julian probably around around a month ago, action. and he didn't mentioned to me at the time that there was probably going to be a resolution in down the track, possibly 3 weeks, 4 weeks time,

which i took with a grain of salt at the time of the photo. okay. yeah, let's see what happens. and then about a week, a week before he was put on that jet, i was getting calls from him very excited calls from julian going through all the little bits of logistics that had been set up every day. there was some progress legit getting locked in his movement from inside the prison at the very early hours in the morning. so he could be undetected taken to stance to the airport and the little bits and pieces that were all falling into place. so it was very, very hard to keep that a secret and it was, you know, essentially a political miracle that this was able to be pulled off. i think,

or credit due to people like you who have been reporting on this. fill out the many, many is the last 1314 years and the grass roots. if it's by normal people around the world, it's sort of restores your faith in humanity to really say no more people giving up the time, giving up the money, the connections. if it's to save, join us on, i know so inspiring all those thousands of people, tens of thousands through rain and chime outside those courtrooms. but you didn't think it was a sign of julian's um, mental mental problems that he was. so hopefully this is another because he had a really bad medical problems in britain's civil ex prisoners. as far as i understand that roger waters is being on the show. i mean, he was shocked and we could see him visibly shocked on pilcher was shot so many times up to seeing you around the yeah,

it was hot breaking going and seeing him inside the inside the prison action. a cell neighbor committed suicide while he was there. yes, one of his friends, a brazilian man committed suicide, but there's regularly deaths inside the prison he, the inmates, he's keeping company with a sort of the worst of it was. murder is all thoughts of those sorts of prisoners and those are the people he keeps company with. he was an a 2 by 3. made a cell, but in 2019 with nose. no. so the you in special repertoire and torture, went to see him and took those 2 independent doctors. they found he did suffering the effects of psychological torture. and that was in 2019 and his situation didn't change. he had the never ending the extradition to a country that had pulled it to kill him hanging over his head the present conditions bearing down on his body and his mind. but you know that's all over now

action. and now he has time to be with his family. he's out in the straight and bush, enjoying the sunshine, enjoying the bird songs, putting his feet in the sand. uh so i think happier times ahead and i'll go and see him this week. actually, i'm going to go and see him in various sizes, but it was his birthday. really forgive brittany. do you think? i mean, a, i believe, forget the guardian newspaper where i started my career on it still printed so many equivocal pieces over the years, double crossed and lied about passwords that were, i think, cuz we have noticed that the guardian, who's been on the street with the form of you in repertory georgia, now with the red cross said it was these newspapers and media that were part of the psychological torture that they were. so it's a putting upon your brother, your look even now. even now you can see the legacy made here, and

a lot of these so called journalist sort of wanting to go out and signal to the friends and intelligence community. you know that they're still faithful home to them. they are repeating of me is notes means that on even that the us save the colors about their thing here. oh, that's about he killed people really relations with any reality exactly what i mean, are you going to sue every single one of them and get the car and, and the new york times sellersburg a family 0 times today to have a james clapper the form and national security office of national intelligence, the said this show was somehow a threat to the united states. yeah. game is saying things like, you know, he gave things on redacted. this was a problem, little digs it. yeah. so it's still going on now and, but i think the person that putting julian's free will, the, the hard work is paid off the, the millions around the world, the world leaders who have been advocating for julian,

it's all paid off. so they sorts of attacks and it's me is, you know, everybody can say now that what you say that the chief prosecution i wrote because saying there was no one was killed because of these, this genuine journalism. the julian is on state. but matthew miller, united to me because the state department repeated repeated the lie to the press. who i don't know whether you saw that digital press conference on the day your brother was released or do they've made headlines here. what is the do by newspaper golf? news that's the biggest story in the world. even bigger than gaza. yeah. and the guys a genocide, hassan and your brother to be freed. a free man of to 14 is. that is the biggest story. but matthew miller says, what did you think of that press conference? you know, i've seen matthew miller, he well, he worked in the obama justice department and he's actually done interviews. and before he went to the state department saying, there's a reason why we didn't pursue this case, that it posed

a threat to the 1st amendment. and that's why the amount of justice department didn't pursue. and matthew meant, and it was on record about saying that, and so it's a very interesting to watch him change his june now and now he's inside the state department, but i think you really have to look at what the judge who accepted julian's play deal said they said the us government cannot find a victim in related, in relation to the so called chronic journalism that julian, committed a so i think that's a, that's what's on the record and that, that's what the judge said during that hearing. so you just have to look back to those sort of factual elements that were accepted by us judge and hold them up to a slide to what matthew mill is saying, and it just his arguments fall apart, right? it just doesn't make sense and actually exposes them. those sorts of people for what they really are in my opinion. yeah. and the reductions. i think it one point

really nice me of a team there too for they redact, i feel they went too far. sometimes in the reductions. why are they making out that the guardian in particular, which is the one you might have to tell a view as remind them that it was them that linked to pos which own redacted, wicked expel? that's right. loo cutting and david lee who rushed out a book about the wiki leaks leaks, or the village and all that. they rushed out this book and one of the chapter headings was a password to the encrypted file of the diplomatic cable set up. and that was the password the julian had given them. he even had, there was an element of that possible cool. the salt, and julian's explained to them this element, you can never write down. you can never share. because that sort of gives the possible even most strings having that sold element. and these journalists in the recklessness or published the whole password to this encrypted file. and

so from that, from that chapter, hitting a different tag was able to see research and find out that that was the possible to the encrypted file. and then crypt on the website run by john young. a us web site group ton dot old was the 1st to publish the on rejected cable set. so julian and wiki legs one, even the 1st to publish. this is on ridiculous cable set. and i think that part of the education process that we've been doing in this campaign is telling that story that the, the, the people actually responsible for this on rejected lake. uh, the uh, the guardian june was david lee and lew cutting. interestingly, julian developed some tools that allowed the reduction of these voss tros of information such as

a program that would look for that, use the dictionary to search these. these will files and will logs for problem nouns and would take out those names. so he was at the forefront of this process of reduction. and at the time journalist who are working with in said the people inside the traditional news rooms were actually more reckless than julian was when it came to rejecting these names. and as for more bad guys, and the story isn't well, we know that you need don't shy a guy who a double call july on the early days he destroyed perhaps valuable cables. it would have given us an insight into the so called war on terra in afghanistan and iraq war, they also have to be destroyed or was nothing really destroyed as part of the pre, the, i know how to get on to discovery, which was an element of simply deal as well, but and what was this that had to be destroyed?

you need it. so i just tried an affidavit that kristin robinson has been on this row many times over the is destroyed. what there was anything on publish related to the chelsea many lakes this that's my understanding from what very public julie and it doesn't matter if somebody else has it already. well, it was a dead man switch file. well, i guess so, but you know, it was an instruction from the courts to julie and in which he likes to destroy any, any of those falls that hadn't, hadn't been published published already. i mean, interestingly, when julian lift this up to he was given permission to leave sweden after answering questions in relation to introduce the 6 or somebody's political asylum. yes. yeah. and so at the, at that time he's bags went missing. when he took that slot from sweden to the united kingdom and that those, those bags actually had even more of the chelsea,

many lake that never sold a lot of di, including some of the very well known method because in, in afghanistan. so the video, the so those are things that you know, will never, will never say from this lake that will never know about. and so the historical impacted wiki likes is, speaks for itself really in, in what it was able to achieve over the use. and what these lakes actually meant to normal people, people who are not, who are just trying to make their lives better, who are trying to make correct decisions about who to vote for how to make a simple educated decisions about who they want the latest to be for the war in iraq, for instance, that famous cable that well i will, i'll just stop if you have a real war that in part 2 more from the brother we're getting signed to julie. this just the best break,

the only 41 percent of us adults have enough savings to cover a $1000.00 emergency. we have record numbers of americans who are on the verge of having their cars repossessed more than a 137000000 americans are facing financial hardship because of medical. then in america, we do have a welfare system in place to help people who are struggling financially, but it's

a conditional system. you have to prove to the government that you truly need help . the simplest way, like explain the basic income, is that is like social security. for the rest of us, a basic income would be a monthly payments that would go to everyone. just a $1000.00 a month. no strings attached. use i have, i would like them maybe. i don't know. i just won't go crazy. the reason that i am a fan of guaranteed income because it is this idea that everybody is deserve. and that's just that virtue of your being here. the the, the welcome back to going on the garden. i'm still here with the brother of wigs out of the julia massage. gabriel shifting. gabriel,

you were interrupted by me in part one when you were talking about the importance to normal everyday people. if people don't know who julian massage is just knowing vaguely and legal proceedings that have been talked about for 14 years, it was, it was, as you say, the was in iraq and afghanistan. i was talking about this stuff that was destroyed . there was no public interest defense. i knew when a legal scholars, when the biden's justice department, in the plea deal told them you have to destroy some information that hadn't previously unpublished. there was no defense on the sides of legal team to go. but what if some of it is in the public interest? no, no, no, no, julian, actually one thing that julian did say, during this hearing is that the he didn't realize that the espionage act trumps the 1st amendment. and i think that's clearly that was a very clear and direct message to everybody out there. what this

what this play deal and what this prosecution actually means is that did you go? because in this colonial magistrate to us colonial magistrate the islands with the us of flu, that'd be $29.00 to murder people in the rush. we mega psyche and all that way. it's so close. i'm julia. so i'm still said watch out judge. there's a conflict between as you'll constitution and the espionage. well, did you go? no, i mean this is, this is you, i'm going to get a bad us onto i, i, you know, i, i think he would have had to size. i'm thinking and he's very deliberate and very thoughtful about things like that that he wants to say and, and frame things around around the things that he thinks are important. so i have a trust julian, i have faith in his, you know, he's ability to reason and make these determinations. but it was nerve wracking. i

was watching live the show many, many people out there were watching the log footage and, and just hoping that it was all going to go through because, you know, i'm not sure how i really trust the united states and the justice system. but they were starting diplomats there within the u. k hoc commissioner, steven smith, the ex prime minister can't was run right. they? oh yes, sorry. the u. k. i guys you said in your strategy and i believe that's yes. that's right. and the ex prime minister, kevin rogers, is now the ambassador to the united states for a stranger. they were there with him as a sort of, i guess, guarantor of his safety and that he would get, they needed someone that important to give us a little bit of a piece of gum this trial. and it's because your sister in law, the wife of julie design sellers on show the press part of the play deal means we could now look into discovery into what they were doing. as regards the

assassination attempt, albriton in the united states brought into the bones in london, car chase is mud, your brother vento allowed but and then she looked pointedly at the president, australia, the prescott said, you can do that throughout julian's way of these freedom of information rights in the united states, but the rest of the press haven't obviously, so i think it's up to them to really dig around and get to the bottom of what's happened in this case. i think you mentioned those plots to kill julian that were going around sketches and plans within the c. i flips the kid naturally, and that made it as high as the white house. and i think there's still a lot to uncover it in that. and in julian's persecution famously kissed um as emails when he was at the cps, that mysteriously disappeared relating to his trips to washington. while julian was

in the ecuadorian, m. c. so there is lots of, you know, i be a prime minister and i was like a scholar at the time of this recording is not, but yes, and this will be a cloud, i think, of his prime minister ship if it is. so i think there's still a lot to uncover, and many people who have involved themselves in julian's persecution, of the youths who have go do it on their hands. you don't take suitcases. com is a view that all the other documents were destroyed as was the, as was the procedure he was head of the crown prosecution service, which was desperately trying to extradite your brother to sweden. for perhaps, i think most of us believe extradition to the united states. by a different route than the espionage. right? yes, that's right. he was the head of the safety of the, at that time during that whole process, the longest running preliminary investigation in swedish history. and those,

those famous emails that were if i want us to find emergency with the swedish prosecutors emailing the u. k. prosecutors saying we want to drop this we, we were to come and question him so that we can move on and, and get rid of this in because no charges of any sexual car, no, nothing, no charges of a light. and they actually communicated to the cps that they wanted to close it and bring it to an end. and the response was, this is more, this is about more than a, an x, normal extradition don't, you know, don't get cold state. and so i think that evidence is out there, and there, there will be more to come, i believe, as, as time goes by, as things become uncovered, i'm oh, journalists dig into the record around julian's persecution about the new british prime minister. so finding my way to use read on the show, the great italian john, this is already on such as history laws cool for the for air in i understand she's not getting anything gold. 2025 randy credit go with the great american active

schools. famously on covering positive b u. c. global investigation into what was happening as regards trump's funded. one of jump fund is that we were involved the company that was spying on. perhaps you, your district or illegal, julia decided as legal counsel. the medical delta's also mex blumenthal, of course, has a busy in australia, you know, we, um, i think jump hills, you would always uh, sometimes mention golf with them and how he was brought down by the british government diploma bridge. the australian prime minister. he opposed the vietnam war, u. s. foreign policy was just taken out by the british government as well a little strangely. it happened. so it was really politicians if they oppose the united states. albanese seems to be steadfast with your brother, julius andre hasn't been killed. loan deposed or will i think the startling government is walter, real todd,

right. in this situation. they've given the intelligence community to national security d o j a conviction. but they've also managed to secure julian's freedom. and so i think this satisfied both parties in that sense and implied that man in the middle diplomatic role. you know, you, you spoke about jane's class before this, you know, he's come out saying, well, we've got what we wanted. julian served his time, we've got a conviction. so this is sort of messaging from the intelligence community that they should be happy. with this conviction, this is conviction and play deal that is try and government was able to and was able to broker in terms of julian safety in australia. he's incredibly popular with the stripe and paypal that day when he stepped off that plane onto the topic. i got thousands of messages, people were celebrating, popping bottles of champagne. so some people said this is like christmas. that that

was the feeling, the feeling back back in australia. and that's how popular july slow one person, rupert murdoch's abc sky, no sky. because sky news in australia is owned by the root of myrtle organizations, are opposed to comcast in other countries saying he's a criminal and continuing to repeat this kind of thing as well. that is the, the, those of those uh, these generals that own. so go generals that are out totally how to touch with the, with the public sentiment. and that's why those sort of are statements. they don't really have any echo they, they're just sort of full flat, particularly when julian's walking around free in australia. so i think really the public sentiment and, and julian's popularity straightens love and under dog they love and on the dog story and, and he's, he's one of as easy is astride his son and he will be protected, but by the population. and by his support, the, i believe the hatred for him

a in the new york times of this week, k, i because they say, but he was against us imperialism. that makes it that different, presumably alluding to him dying that go without book when he was dragged out by british security forces from political asylum, the ecuadorian embassy. why is it because julie, this orange exposure secrets of the russian state boots instict of china, of iran. why is it, do you think that we did we, it's countries and i'll present, we not things because you know, change in thing or coming e would like expose. why is it these countries in the end said no, you must speaking for he and the united states who secrets? because julia, so i'm just waking, looks, organization with the power it was a, it was truth to power was exposing the secrets of the powerful it didn't matter whether it was and the american me why, why was the, i'm, why did the americans hate when he leaves more well, he, he, embarrassing,

he embarrassed them him parents the way that they struck the way that they ruled the world, and the way that they use the power in, in countries overseas. these conspiracies between the institutions of stace, the corporate media and the corporations. julian, expose those and it's threatened the whole system. it's threatened the whole system of see how they exercise power around the world and they were front and that was very, very frightened, that they wouldn't be able to hold onto that power. and so they, the solution was to go up to julian, and i think you can look at the timeline from 2017 of when they need a julian off the scene in 2019. and so, julian's off the scene in 2019, and you see all these other effect as all these other areas where they were clamped

down on the free internet and things started to change in silicon valley. i've spoken to people in silicon valley and they said, the revolutionary spirit of the 2016, the revolutionary spirit, and the spirit of the free internet was almost turned on its head in silicon valley, off the 2016. and these, all these corporations, all these social media corporations, were turned on their heads and became sort of of the state to sense and to manipulate people. and i think what happened to julian is actually in line with that real clamp down around 2019. and i'm looking forward to 2020 and the last 4 or 5 years that we've, that we've lived for live through and the sort of resurgence of the conservative project. but ironically, and finally, how important is it the president donald trump,

pardons him for the future of journalism journalists all around the world because he still has this felony because he's pleaded guilty to julia as others to save his own life, pleading guilty to a crime, he didn't commit uh, how important is it for the president to, to the body. so it's important for americans. it's important for a normal americans and the people of sending congress the laws within the congress . right. have really recognize that, that what this has done with this conviction has done, has criminalized journalism. this, it describes essentially investigative journalism. it's going off to the general source relationship of publishing classified information, possessing classified information. that's old, become a legal now under what's happened to join a search and is there is a huge amount of concern in the united states. we just were talking of here about ken ross vx head of the of human rights, which is actually gonna come out against,

against this plea deal, saying that it is a real threat. and these elements that were used in the, in the initial environment. these element, they sort of the elements that the to frame julian is a hacker, they would completely lift out of, of, of the plea deal of the conviction. and so it's actually, julian is, is a journalist according to this, according to this conviction. and that is a legal so what i can do, i have can wrote the saying that and these yeah, hunter rush will not really looks like that. that's quite something gabriel shifted . congratulations and say hi to julian this on joel. the team of going into your yeah, thank you and thank you, continued condolences also to those bereaved by u. k. u. s. u, i'm genocide will be back on monday after this week. celebrations of opec plus is venezuela's independence day with the grades that is in your power bill. the new book, referencing julia sanchez, information investigates the u. s. u. k. attempt to destroy the country with the

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