of us, which are encased in concrete, 60 meters below the surface. a lot of questions still don't answer. do we have pharma steph and call tre energy policy spokesman for the alternative, for germany party in the bundle stock? and he seems to think the west is looking for a scape goat to distract from the true perpetrators of the attack on north street is most interested in. well, 1st of all, we should remember that right after their tax and basically everyone set that a state acura must be behind that. otherwise it would have been impossible. and if i remember correctly, the german government said that to me, and indeed it sounds quite wild to suggest that some isolated forces just to cough to commit a terrorist attack at 80 meters below the sea. it doesn't sound plausible to me, what the sounds, laws more. well you have to ask yourself, what is the purpose of this narrative? i personally think it's just smoking mirrors and they're looking for escape. go to distract from the truth perpetrators. and this narrative does just that for them. generally speaking, public opinion in germany is also directed in such a way as to convince people that ukraine can do everything it was. so i think that

the official narrative is just there to escape the truth. and i don't find it very convincing the role of the mains from german media e mail. this is also very clear. they're basically doing the work of the german government for them by disregarding their journalist to do to, to investigate. because they're basically in bed with a german government, they don't investigate and just repeat and amplify what they're told to call. to have you with us this wednesday coming up next. this page level with the last step inside of co soak of mornings makes when you're drawing megan in the the

hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. i'm theater, roosevelt. the north atlantic treaty organization is celebrating its 75th anniversary in washington. this week, for many in the west, nato is deemed to be the most successful military alliance in history. for others, beyond the west, nato is the most serious security threat to humanity. today, the cross talking nato. i'm joined by my guess. erin, good in philadelphia. he is a political scientist historian, as well as author of american exception empire in the deep states in san francisco . we have k, j. know he is a political analyst and journalist and in lisbon we crossed alexander guerrero. he is an international legal analyst. quite gentleman, comstock rules and effect, that means he can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, aaron, let me go to you. first thing in philadelphia. um, um we have,

we here over and over again. nato is the most successful military alliance in history. it's almost like getting f one on your computer, but you know, as they're celebrating their 75th anniversary in washington, what achievements, how do they have under their belt, other than surviving as an alliance? that's the only quote unquote achievement i can think of. go ahead or as well they tow served to keep alive western imperialism and to re brand it as a either under it consolidated under the us band or as really of all of the colonial powers of the world, the united, uh, basically the core of capitalism. and imperialism for the proceeding surgeries. and they were able to re branded as a defense of freedom. this very powerful force or, or of that, had a lot of invested capital all around the world. the u. s. police that and nato was

the tip of the spear. they're in a sense, especially as it began to expand into these, quote unquote peacekeeping missions and so on in the wake of the cold war of the aftermath of the cold war. and this led to it becoming something new, kind of different sort of a in force or for the, the, or global capitalism for the us, us empire, west and imperialism. and but going back to the cold war, i mean, if it's a successful lot regime in that it's did stay in power for so long, but it's also existed as a kind of dictatorship of europe in certain ways. i mean the gladiators, the gladto networks were called nato secret armies by some people. and they were there as a kind of dictatorship in the wings for any western european leader that got out aligned these, they could states falsified terror attacks. so it, it put the lie to democracy because you can't really have a democracy when the state maintains a secret veto over the very lives of your heads of state. and can also engage that

acts and falls like terrorism to move the population politically wherever they want them. so this is really a dark floors in global politics that i don't think will be fully recognized by large parts of the public until the afternoon. as with so many things of that we see in the last 2 decades, especially the us empire, is such a denial of what is at the top of it at the corner of it that i don't think we can deal with it until that power is, is decisively defeated and perhaps when nato is dissolved, we'll start talking about, well, you know, yeah. okay, tay, it's really interesting with a visa, ve, the ukraine, complex nato has been able to devour as it were, the european union. i mean, it's, you know, you, the, the, it's nato, the dictates the security ideas of, of the entire union, the independence of states do not. so that is another on, not in nato as belt. i'm one of the interesting things as they always talk about

themselves as a defense of alliance. i'm calling this program offensive alliance. i wonder would people ins in serbia think about the term defense of alliance or libya and the failed mission in you in afghanistan. i mean, and also what they're doing in ukraine. i mean, they continue to say that they're not a party to the conflict with lisa, which is just laughable. go ahead. k j. yes, i've been, it's been the murderous of us imperialism. and it's, as you said earlier, it's great, the success has been, it's branding, or it's mystification of what it's really doing. it's not defensive. it's never for a defensive war in it's lifetime claims to be a collection of democracies. but no, it's never been democratic from the beginning. it was a lied with fashion. states like fortune goals and delete it was integral in ensuring the success of fascism around europe. and it even had lose one time.

chief of stock adults posting go. he went from the chief of the nazi military command to the chief of the nasal military for not. and did you know of ports to uphold human rights and rule of law but actually destroyed human rights. it destroys human lives. it destroys a quote. and i think the way that the countries around around the world at large, we seem to see what it is rested on us imperialism bein sports. the goons on us legs. well, it's alexander, you know, they, they call themselves the defense of alliance. but if you look at the security architecture of europe, nato is an instrument in which europe and security is decided not only without russia but against russia, and that's why we have the situation we have in ukraine. go ahead and list. but right here we are saying here in europe where we say the best defense is get there

. and basically this is the, the, the, the topic that inspires in the model that please natal on these actions, swords and other countries. we must not forget that literally itself, it was created in late 1940, especially to technical and to block. the government isn't as well as the so, so, so good union over you. so you start to, to have any direction to fight russia. what today's russia after the buckle or the fall of the berlin wall, things change drastically because they have a criminal impact. them a president that was all in favor of the west of each less. but suddenly, when the russians decided to have their own identities to make their own way by themselves, then again, russia rise as being understood here in the west as being anatomy. and as long as we have this kind of understanding to look at russia as anatomy and not as an alarm,

we will keep only speeding social the rest, the stimulus. ras intervention isn't like actually, that's everything that marks. and that's the main brand of natal all over the world . so what we have knowing you brain, this is not a surprise if we take a look above how the united states worked so hard along with you with the union, just all a democratically elected president. and to try to influence the political situation in your brain. and what we are seeing now underneath those lives, this is understood as being a challenge on the life of their we, we, as an 8th or we is west, we have to defeat the independence. russia as well as multiple or is the so things understood and mean? yeah, this is how they always work is by spreading more and more luckily, big news, but also to share and to provide

a lot of weaponry to break because their dream is not to say the brain is not to have an independent to bring their goal their main goal is only to target the russian and after us you, you also can china, the 2 major powers into world war and independently. i work independently from west and east. well, you know, area and we, we, we heard from lloyd us of the secretary of defense early on. and this complex, or this part of the conflict, they should say because it started in 2014, not in 2022. they said the goal was to weaken russia, and of course not only to weaken russia, but to break it up. we have their officials in the european union now that say that openly go ahead. aaron, the right that's clearly was the whole mind onto was about and it's more and more obvious that this is the case and it's the it, the whole episode highlights the real crisis at the top of the us regime because it should have been easy to game out that the you that the, that the ukrainians,

we're not going to be able to defeat russia, that russia viewed this as a extremely important existential even battle for themselves. and that they would, they would not be able to defeat them, defeat russia in ukraine without provoking a response that would likely leads and go to nuclear war. then russia has been very methodical about treating the ukrainian military. that is essentially a nato military, a week after week after week. and when you, we were talking before about how you people predicted that this conflict put it in pretty quickly and it absolutely should have been did very quickly. it was about to end in april, right. so that's why it's negotiations, and it's a truism and international relations and political science that you can't achieve anything at the negotiating table that you cannot achieve on the battlefield. but this wasn't really true for ukraine. ukraine could actually walk away with a much better deal than it ever could achieve on the battlefield as we are seeing now. and was always obvious. and the,

the war itself had the effect of imposing upon russia. the imperative that they had to engage in import substitute industrialization because of all the sanctions and everything else. but the us actually in the west, the liberal west of the early cold war, used to actually advocate this for countries, the head balance of payments pro, problems and so on. as a way to shore up their economic systems. and this is how the us became it. economic power was through import substitute industrialization, texting tariffs and taxing in parts and building infrastructure. that was how the us became and with power. that's all right. so we basically forced us to do things that were very beneficial for russia economically and industrially. and we hasten the end of the dollar regime. and we have wasted a massive amounts of money, some of which went to actually buy weapons and probably pay soldiers. but a lot of it was just embezzled by ukrainians. who are they're taking all of this

money and just sacrificing their own countrymen for this doomed effort that has really only made russia considerably stronger us and nato a weaker and destroyed ukraine. yeah, i mean k of the, the, the whole effort to turn the, the, the, the rubel into rubble is actually boomerang very, very strongly against the west. i mean, if you, if you're not a lift you live in russian, you don't follow the news. you wouldn't even though the country is sanctioned. go ahead take a real quick before we go to the break. absolutely, and most countries have not gone along with those sanctions. it's the vast majority of countries, except for the e. u and some western european vassals, those are the only countries that have gone along with these unilateral illegal sanctions, most of the world has voted with their feet and they said we are not with the united states. we're not with nature. and so very clearly, as you point out in russia, you know,

the sanctions on felt rushes. economy is doing fine. it's like it's doing much more . well, i mean, i was surprised a lot of viewers. i liked the sanctions. i said like them or get away from the toxic a financial system of the west because it doesn't have a future gentleman. i have to jump in here. we're going to go to wish a short break. and after that break, we'll continue our discussion on nato state with our to the take a fresh look around. there's a life kaleidoscopic, isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions pictures designed to simplify all confused who really wants

a better wills and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented as 1st? can you see through their illusion going underground can 41 percent of us adults have enough savings to cover a $1000.00 emergency? if we have record numbers of americans who are on the verge of having their cars repossess more than a 137000000 americans are facing financial hardship because of medical then in america, we do have a welfare system in place to help people who are struggling financially, but it's a conditional system you have to prove to the government that you truly need help. the simplest way, like explain the basic income, is that is like social security. for the rest of us, a basic income would be a monthly payments that would go to everyone. just a $1000.00

a month. no strings attached use i have, i would like them maybe. i don't know. i just won't go crazy. the reason that i am a fan of guaranteed income because it is this idea that everybody is deserve, and that's just by virtue of your being here the world to make the prospect where all things are considered. i'm peter real about your mind. you were discussing nato. the alton roy started out this program by asking air and what the achieve, what nato has achieved on its 75th birthday here. but i, i found, you know, broken promises to be honest with you. and let's go through 4 of them real quick, one right after another. not one is in east talking about german unification. ok. they lied about that ukrainian neutrality. they lied about that indivisibility of

security. they lied about that. and the whole men's process, they've proven to move themselves to be deceitful, liars, so i don't know what they're celebrating, but i think the, the, the dishonesty in do plus city of this alliance has to be highlighted. that's why i'm making this program. alexander. yes, basically they're celebrating all those countries that they help to fuel and rest. they also help to these member, and i think about you was live, you're probably on their neighbors perspective. this is a reason to celebrate a, specially for the present to present the secretary general. do not the nations who back them was primary sort of portugal and she supported fully. then they do it. the ration daniels love it now sees the building and to try to call for it or be in, in, in your brain. but basically what you bring has been given guys what nato has been

giving us all over this time. was only the early speak agenda. only then will solution that they want to gather more and more countries only on the under the perspective of a boarding seer. rather than that, they will give any kind of depressive perspective. for example, you bring, they have the expectations to join nato. so wish we all know is highly unlikely and hopefully it will never happen. never bought. i bought the st possible, but it's technically it's highly unlikely, but i believe that they keep would keep pressure on the the secretary general natal do aesthetic step down at the same time. i believe that this is not queasiness. there literally this we took the blue we far above these events on the be the building here. and the way it was discussed in the base, over west and meet with the media. and how this could be used in order to justify

more and more weaponry support from day to, to break. we never heard, we have never heard a deal now. and not only natal officials but also be ready to reasons speaking about bees about choose never have about that. we only hear the say kind of model which is destroying and defeats rushing. we have to that press. yes, regardless of what did the fix, they will produce on your brain. and i have to ask, what do you guys like to bring? will we have in the next one to 2 years? will that even be you great? what is this the project alternate to is? this is next. well, you know, alexander, i don't think the nato under the leadership of the united states gives a hoot about what happens to ukraine personally. okay. i mean, i suppose of these a lensky resume as illegitimate as it is right now. they will always strive for nato membership as long as they get paid. okay, i don't know,

did these people send their kids to the front? i tend to doubt it. you know, aaron, there's, i, i mentioned my, my 3rd broken promise lie here. and i don't want to sound really nerdy, but you know, the indivisibility of security. this was what made your opinion security work. and you can not enhance your security at the expense of another country. everybody agreed to that. everybody, if it was called the helsinki process. okay. and now nato, as if that doesn't exist. well, russia does, aaron, right, and we're seeing now with the positions that israel finds itself in, that it really is a huge security issue to have hospital military powers right on your doorstep. israel has been in this position where it should have tried to make peace with the people in the region, but it was so hell bent on an expropriating, what the palestinians have left, that they've antagonized all of their neighbors. and they find themselves surrounded by people who have missiles that can be aimed at them. and there's

really no defense against that. ukraine armed with hypersonic missiles. what's the us will one day be able to produce, you know, more efficiently in the near future. that would have been a disaster for rest of they would have been minutes away from the nuclear range of nato. moscow would have been, so it really was a tremendous thread and, and, and the legitimate threat. this wasn't an imperialistic land grab by a vladimir, put in the way that it's depicted in the west. russell has lots of land and lots of resources. it really was motivated by a fear of security, that is part that is existence. so because it's the same logic that the us applied to cuba in the cuban missile crisis. and you can't really stop ballistic missiles that are very close to you as israel is finding out, you can just overwhelm all missile defense systems. and that's why this is, it was deemed it's such a huge threat in part,

in the fact that it would have taken away their access to a warm water port which is essential for russia, which i think is part of the motivation for it. i think rushes, the backing of syria made the you couldn't the neo cons that, that run you as far as policy for the last 30 is it made them go kind of insane that because they really think that they are people who are a large part of them are dedicated 1st and foremost to the idea of greater israel and syria stands in the way of the final solution is of the past in and since russia health, syria, as well, the rest of it had to be destroyed. i think that that might be the thing that best explains why they were not so greedy because that's what we expect from western imperialism. but really in single minded, it was stupid way to confront russia in a stupid well english. and so here, i mean, why they didn't, they, they know very little about history because let's just go back to the cold war. major new killer powers. don't go toe to toe. it's not a good idea. you know, why? because one might lose or both might lose. go back to the 19th century. great

powers tried to stay away from fighting each other because you could lose. okay, look what happened in 1918 major powers finding each other one empire after another collapse. it's not a good idea to do it, and now we have new killer weapons. okay. that's what makes these people of fools and very, very dangerous k j. let me go to you. i mean, i, i promised myself i wouldn't make a program about, uh, biden's dementia, but the biden's, the mentor is inter interfering with our program. okay. we all know about the disastrous debate checks that's done. but then with the a b c, news interview with stephanopoulos. the biden was talking about his achievements. i expand nato, didn't to just do americans really give a hoot about expansion of nato? i mean, considering half the country as for the debt that is there, be so many people fear for their livelihood here. and you have this man saying,

but i expanded nato. i mean, these people are really out of touch, you know, it's, it's up. so, i mean, clearly, biden is no longer capable of, you know, exercising even minimal cognitive function. i think just the other day he said that he was the 1st of last price it on a size for his that yeah, yeah. as vice president. so i think that, you know, in the united states, all you have to do is look around, you, people are starving, they're homeless. that hysterical the naked, they're suffering, you know, 50 percent of the us population does not have $600.00 to its name. and for joe biden, to go up in an interview and say that is great accomplishment is expanding nato. i mean, i think all of us look around and say, you know which planet is this person living on? it's just the absolute and total of say, well, you know, but alexander, explain to us why nato won't negotiate an end to this conflict in ukraine. by my

account. russia is proposed 5 different times. and, and as aaron pointed out, when this them bull process and weeks after the complex started in february of 2022, there was a, a sick, a document that had been essentially initial. why can't nato negotiate an end to this? because when, when this comes to an end, nickel is gonna look very bad and maybe its very existence will be at stake. it has a choice. go ahead. well, are mostly, i honestly believe that natal steel holes that the, there's a liking end of the tunnel that will allow them to exit the o accept or, you know, i liked the matter for the light at the end of the tunnel, but you know what that light at the end of the tunnel is a train coming out to keep going. the exist exactly that and that speaking much look really what happens in yeah, because they have the expectation that they will be saved and that they will be

able to get off of this conflict in a clean way. we'd all take at least 2, but need they need to face their own voters and say, well, we have to do a lot of this. we have to achieve an agreement. but at least this was the best solution for everyone, because presently there is no best solution for natal. there's no good solution natal. simply be, continue and trying to use your brain as a weapon against the russian and until the moments that they will not be able to continue to do so on that moment. natal one to any kind of excuse to go into your parking for this possibly like yourself, their work at least 5 attempts made by rushes to achieve reach a peace deal. the 1st one, it was not because you bring this even want to be. it was because the brand names were forced to buy in west. we have decided to say this many, many other funds and not to believe that from after this was the dance. there were

several others. i don't believe that the greens are pretty comfortable on continue fighting against the rest yet and every day. listening to the news and watching it with the and reading at the same time that another village another. another players pass full and at the same time, dozens or hundreds of you bringing the gary personnel has died. i don't believe that they actually accept that to continue fighting is a solution? well, i'm it, but there, and if you, if you know, if you're in the zalinski gang, i don't know how they cut up the spoils here. but i mean, it's an amazing griffith. i mean, they'll keep it going as long as they possibly can. i'm sure they've got planes on the tarmac to fly them to miami or tell a be okay or wherever they're going to go. i mean, this is at the end of the day that's a gripped and, and, and it, we have people like hunt, like hunter biting video was the spear of it all. go ahead aaron. yeah, it will be very interesting to see how this plays out. the in the game here with

these people because it's going to become clear to the training is if it's not already that they have been robbed and sold down the river by these people. i think that those is the carrot and the stick. far zalinski is that he can, you know, steal and embezzle, you know, millions and millions of dollars from the money that the us gives you train. but he also, it faces that potentially happy you tries to reverse course. i think that the not the is own people by his own people. yeah. he has a nazi contingency that believes that this is some sort of eschatological conflict for them internet and saying, you know, an area in the back of waterways, but i don't even understand where is the end of the day. a lot of people going to leave and are going to be counting their money and no one will be held accountable for this catastrophe that never should have happened, gentlemen. that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guess in lisbon, felt philadelphia and in san francisco. and of course,

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