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in the when i 1st joined the c i a nearly 35 years ago. the 1st thing friends and family members wanted to know is what i can tell them about us. those unidentified flying object, space aliens intelligent interstellar lights and the lights. i didn't know anything . of course. the job of the c i a is simply to recruit spies to steal secrets. but with that said, everybody, not just americans, but everybody has an interest in whether there's intelligent life out there today will try to get to the bottom of that question. i'm john q reaku. welcome to the whistle blowers the

. 2 2 2 2 2 2 or after spending most of his life studying the night sky for signs of extra terrestrial life, doctor amin lo found something in 2023, something that shook the scientific community. doctor loved carried out a one and a half $1000000.00 expedition, searching for signs of a mysterious meteor called i. m one. the crashed into the pacific ocean off the coast of pop, one of guinea in 2014. and is believed to have come from interstellar space. dr. low oversaw team of deep sea explorers who found $850.00 tiny spirals or molten droplets using a magnetic sled that was dropped from the expedition vehicle to kilometers under the surface of the ocean. he believes that these objects, each about half a millimeter in size are most likely made of an unfamiliar material composition that is much stronger than the iron found in regular normal meteors. further

testing is ongoing, but dr. low believes that these fuels could have either originated in another galaxy or were created by intelligent life. we're happy to be joined today by dr. abbey low. he is the frank, be bear junior, professor of science at harvard university. where since 2007, he's been director of the institute for theory and computation at the center for astro physics. he chaired the department of astronomy in harvard from 2011 to 2020 . and he found that the black hole initiative there in 2016 dr. ivy load, thank you so much for being with us. thanks for having me. i have to say right at the start, how much i enjoyed speaking with you. you are always so full of new information. well researched and documented information and it's always so interesting. let's start with this expedition to pop. when you get in 2023. how did you 1st learn

about this meteor and what made you confident that it was different enough and important enough to be investigated? and so i 1st was interviewed on the radio actually up and bought another meet your that the land of the near come chuck. uh and then that was back in january 29th, uh, 2020. uh. and then i realized that the buy looking online, but the nice compiz a couple of meet your over the past decade and i asked my student to look through those, meet yours and see if any of them was moving too fast to be bound for the solar system and we found the one from january 8th, 2014, a decade ago that was reported by send source aboard the us government satellites. they sold the fire board that released the both of percent of the he or she must to make bowman and g. and this the meteorite. so this object was moving not only

faster than this case, speed the relative to the sun, but also was moving faster than 95 percent of the stars in the vicinity of the sun relative to the so called look of stand up a 1st it was moving at 60 kilometers per 2nd so that, that was very intriguing. and at the us, the space command, the confirmed this assessment, they went back to the data and they wrote the letter to nasa saying, indeed this one is in the stellar in origin. and it was roughly huff and meet their insides. they collided with us and exploded. according to the data at 22 them with us above the surface of the pacific ocean, about 98 kilometers away from my new, silent and popular new guinea. and what will special above that is at the same speed as it was moving the bolts for example, and other meet your discover the few months ago over spain and portugal. and that's

one expired. busy it's 70 feet on, but there's a, did you what the density of air is a 1000 times lower. and so these either stand or meet your from a decade ago was actually a 1000 times tougher than the one from a few months ago from the solar system. and we know that because it was moving and in and or be that these definitely bump of the sun came from the main asteroid belt from an orbit near jupiter. and so this interstellar meteor was not only very fast, but the ted material strength. this was tougher and then even i wrote in meet your rides, the toughest meet your rights that we had witnessed before. the square in the gnostic got the book. and so that drew my attention because i wanted to know whether it could be artificially in origin. it just imagine that this loads the car that was launched by either mosque in 2018 as

a dummy payload. them to talk one heavy rocket. it's not wanting to lift the car, be there on the the sun and maybe in 20000000 years. it might coraleive with earth based on calculations and it will appear as an object of unusual material strength and the engine of such a car would survive the, the re entry and and so an interesting question is other interstellar car. so these type is eat on. most of the most accomplished space and triple norris's, the big bang, 13800000000 years ago. you know, there is a chance there is a lot of space trash out there and maybe this meet your represents one of them. and so that's why i decided to leave an expedition to look for the materials off the subject. and then we went there. and then we collected materials and we studied them over the past year and i can give you more information about what we found. let's take those possibilities separately. if the sphere ols that you recovered off

the coast of pop. when a guinea were interstellar, that is, they came from another galaxy, another solar system. why is that so important? and if they are interstellar, what does that do to the body of science that we have currently? yeah, so that finding a partner in our costs make neighborhood would be as important as finding in the bottom there in our private lights. we know that it gives the meaning to our existence. it gives us a new perspective on why we are here and what we are aiming to do. and the, you know, smaller g is very often say the universe is pointless. that's what the uh, the nobel laureate, this steven weinberg said at the end of his book, the 1st 3 minutes. and my point is that we do see the universe is pointless. and in fact and reconfirmed, he said, where he's everybody, you know, that's the point of view of it and loading the person. but if we find a problem,

if we realize we are not alone, we're not at the intellectual center of the universe. there is a neighbor and that neighbor may actually be smarter than us. and we can learn from the neighbor, you know, then we would get the new alignment before our goals. and because then as of now we just focus on what happens. so nerves, but that would perhaps inspire us to do better and go to in this, that space. it could also be a neighbor that we admire in terms of science and technology that it was able to accomplish far more than we did. and altogether, maybe it would convince us to stop and investing in conflicts on earth, which is just the tiny rock left over from the formation of this on it. we give us a bigger perspective. so, so finding a partner, finding another civilization out there is of great importance for the future of humanity. i see this a shock therapy to manage yourself in being engaged. the military conflicts perhaps

with uh, you know, i have a new perspective have on what we want to do what we want to accomplish. and that's why i work on it because just waiting for. busy are you know, our leaders. busy of us will drawer models for us, and it's not a good the approach. there is a lot of room for improvement. in terms of the quantities of our leaders, it may be much better to discover and slip in miss janik message for peace and prosperity from another star. that's my hope. and so, so that's why i think it's so important. but of course it could be down to a piece of trash, you know, like we would find trash from another civilization that is not functioning anymore . busy but their trash would be our treasurer because it would mean that we are not alone. and then there is someone out there and it wouldn't be the most important scientific discovery ever in human history. and of course,

in order to find it, we have to put resources to get the evidence and only over the past decade since that to meet the all that we discussed only over that decade we started the testing objects from outside the solar system. and there wasn't much investment the funds i'm actually leaving the gulf project, which is funded by private donations. and it's the 1st scientific project aiming to start the bose into us that are objects and look for technology car, uh gadgets among them. and so that's why it's so important and what we found in the pacific ocean, our 850 martin droplets of which attends, had the chemical composition that was never reported before. and the same difficulty that it had. the enhancements in elements like the resume lamp and then we ran you by up to a factor of a 1000 relative to solar system materials. and so we are suggesting that maybe we

recovered for the 1st time in history material from a big object. the came from outside the solar system and we hope to do another expedition to look for bigger pieces of the subject that will tell us that its nature, many of the media articles that were published at the time of your discovery said that the sparrows you found could even have come from an alien spacecraft. i've seen photos of these heroes and they don't look like anything i've ever seen before . they're clearly metallic. and they consist of different colors. is the spacecraft idea a possibility? could this be a tiny bit of a spacecraft? while in pretty simple, it's close, but then what we found is just martin droplets. so what it means is that in with a men seats, that was a deliberate, that the, about the percent of the he or she must to me, combine a g. uh some elements were lost in the explosion. these are quoted for the title elements and the droplets that we found are lacking in those elements. so we don't

have the full sensors off the composition of the original objects because we just found those more than the droplets left behind. if we find a bigger piece, not only to just tell us the full composition of the object, perhaps the nature of the 100, because we can tell if it's a rock or, or some lloyd that was actually officially produced. it would also allow us to date the age of the material because we could find enough and isotopes radioactive isotopes that we can use as clocks to tell us the age or the duration of the journey. and moreover, we could then study the material strength directly in the laboratory and the thermal conduction of the set material and, and the if indeed it's am up here and much tougher than any other rock that the we are familiar with from the solar system. the question is why and, and it can it,

can the knowledge be used, for example, to develop a little shield for starship again, space x is and having good challenges, protecting stock shape and perhaps either nature or how the civilization could help us figure out the best of materials that's been most recognized before. thank you dr. low. we're going to take a short break and when we come back, we're going to continue our conversation with dr. ivy low about the possibilities of and the evidence for alien life. say to the. 2 the

the, the welcome back to the whistle blowers, i'm john kerry onto. 2 2 we're speaking with dr. ivy low, he's the frank, be bear junior, professor of science at harvard university where since 2007, he has been director of the institute for theory and computation at the center for astro physics, the chair of the department of astronomy and harvard from 2011 to 2020 and he

founded the black hole initiative there in 2016. thanks again for being with us. thanks for having me. a doctor logan, you've been stymied several times by other astrophysicists and even by the american government, which would not give you access to classified information that would have quickly proven your assertions about am one. still you were able to calculate that i am one with 99.999 percent certainty that the meteor came from another galaxy. but then the us. ringback use force confirmed to nasa the national aeronautics and space administration that i am one was tougher materially than all other known space. rocks your calculations were right. that was the space for us and that's a determination helpful to you. and if so, in what way? well it was very helpful because. busy as then they had access to send source that we don't have access to in the scientific community. so they went back

to the data and the confirm. uh, what we said the most importantly that the subjects came from outside the solar system and not necessarily from the, not the galaxy, but from within the make. you wait galaxy our own. and then, you know, that's what would be the 1st object that was recognized as such by scientific data . and that's what is extremely important. they took them a few years. this, usually the government is very slow, but that i'm grateful for their support on that. now there were several people who critics would try to argue that they don't believe the us government data. but in fact, the meet your over spain and part about it from a few months ago was also detected by the same man, satellites, that the us government owns. and then, and that the data was compared to a ground based data on that to meet your and the government data is very accurate actually. and so someone actually posted the scientific paper just

a couple of months ago saying, you know, the us government data should be trusted on the meet your from 2014 because and then you know, if you just look at how well they do relative to ground based, it's public data. it seems like they're getting down to the right and the 94 percent confidence. that person said that we should believe the us government data from 2014, and this is after a number of so called experts on meet yours. we're trying to argue that the us space command doesn't really know what they're doing. that in fact, the report included the velocity, this was over estimate by a factor of 2 or 3, which is the really a very board claim. you wrote a book that was published in 2021 called extra terrestrial, the 1st sign of intelligent life beyond earth. in which you argue that something called more and more a pancake shaped space rock about the size of

a football field that was visible to scientist for just 11 days in 2017 could only have been an interstellar technology built by intelligent life. what did you base your findings on and have your conclusions changed at all over the last several years? no, because the as assigned seats, i respond to the data and we just didn't get new data on the subject. i would love to have more data and in fact i'm working on finding additional objects like it next year in 2025 that we'd be new data coming from. there will be no observatory in sheila, that's really employee. come around with 3200000000 pixels. a 1000 times more picks us than your cellphone camera. and it was savvy the solve this guy every 4 days and will likely find many more objects like all of them. well. so i'm really looking for the data from the observatory, and i am now developing the software with my boss thoughts to find new interests that are objects. so i'm in favor of getting as much data as possible. it's only

those, and some of the thoughts in the room will know the answer in advance and say it's never aliens and it's never interesting. they're actually quite boring. these people, i would argue that anyone with curiosity is reassigned is where as people that know the, i've seen above on know to read assigned is because the important discoveries in science were never expect that. and they were based on data on, on experimental evidence. and of course, if you claim, you know, the housing authority on upset seeking date that you're not searching for that, you don't need that, you know the answer. but then, you know, it's a self fulfilling prophecy if you're not sick seeing the date, i suggest the i know the on. so i don't need data. and by the way, nobody should fund the search for these to meet the all the search for other objects like one more more. and then that's really a way of maintaining your ignorance. but then

a warm white self was very puzzling because it was roughly the size of a football field, a 100 meters, based on its reflection of sunlight. and the amount of sunlight reflected from it changed by effect or 10 as it was tumbling every 8 hours. so that meant that it has a very it stream shape because the area that these on the sky reflecting sunlight towards us was changing by factor of 10 this the object was spinning. and then the best feet of the variation was dr. flat. the object pancake like in more over the subject was pushed away from the sun by some mysterious force without shedding any mass. there was no comb authority of operation that would act on it through the rock at the fact. so the question was what is pushing it? and i suggest that it's just the reflection of sunlight, which we see and forgot the object to be very soon. and it could have been a,

i suggested that perhaps the space trash like a plastic bag. good. you know, tumbling in the wind or at a surface layer of a bigger object that was pulling a pop, or a broken piece of a mega structure like a dyson spear. and the in fact, the few years later, in september 2020, there was another object discovered by the same telescope in hawaii that was given the name 2020 s o. and after 3 weeks, i mean the subject showed excess bush away from the sun as a result of reflection of sunlight. and there was no comment 30 days. and after 3 weeks that sort of mess realize, oh yeah, this one is actually iraq is most the us that's was launched in 1966 by nasa. and so here you'll have it effective and logical uptake the test seen wars and was pushed by reflecting sunlight. and so i just suggested that perhaps some was

another one not produced by us, but we just cannot observe it anymore because now it's much farther away. and very deep, it's about a 100000000 times to faint or then it was closed or. and so we just need to find more objects like it. and i hope we will in the coming years. what are you working on these days at harvard and how much progress have you made on this study of this bureaus? have you come to any conclusions? yes. busy first indeed, we analyze them, appear at the sparrows that we found about 80 of them that are often usually material composition. we call them below out type best barrels because they're an enhanced in the abundance of fits very room length and room urine use. so we called them below and that we are trying. busy to measure the eyes of public composition of those. but there are less than a medium either in size they contain, you know, just the pencil milligrams of material altogether. those,

those girls. so it's not enough. i'm up here to do very detailed eyes of public studies. and that's why we are aiming to go again to the, meet your sites and look for bigger pieces and then, and that's where you costs $6.00 and a half $1000000.00. so we are in the process of planning it's, we have a ship already. we hope to go there in summer 2025, assuming that we will land as secure the funding. and i have some leads that the make me of the mistake that we will. and then separate from that, the, you know, project that i'm leading, constructed, and observatory a college university that is most storing the sky 247. were looking for unusual objects in the sky because the, the director of national intelligence submit the 3 reports to the us congress, stating that there are unidentified,

the normal as phenomena. and so we use this scientific approach to figure out if there are any objects from outside of earth in the sky. and so far we looked at how familiar on objects a little more than that then. and then we haven't seen anything anomalous as of yet . and we are writing some papers this describing the results, but we are also building 2 additional observatories, one in colorado, and the other one in pennsylvania. and the hope is that the overtime, if we get the more funding, we will have that many more observatories. we know how to make them each of them costs less than a $1000000.00. and if we get the funded by anyone interested in having an observatory of this type, we can build it. and the hope is, you know, we will collect data on pencil for millions of objects over the next few years and

we get to the bottom of the question of whether there is anything extra terrestrial out there. dr. lo, when i was 17 years old, my father and i were driving through on this country in western pennsylvania one night just before midnight. it was very, very dark. the almost don't use any electricity. and suddenly we saw a flash of bright white light. it was followed by a 2nd flash and then a 3rd. and immediately after that, an orange trap. azurie lit up and it hovered in the near distance above us. we pulled over got out of the car and we just stared at it. it hovered there for about 30 seconds and it made no sound. and then suddenly it flew off at a fantastic speed, something i have never seen before. or since of all these years later, i still have no idea what it was that i saw that night with an alien craft, a balloon of some sort. i have no idea. what is your opinion on us suppose or on

what are now called you a visa and identified aerial vehicles? are these things explainable? are signs of alien life more likely to be found as tiny sparrows in the pacific ocean? well, i think there is, there are lots of human made objects in the sky natural optics in the sky. so the, the question is whether an unusual object of the type that you describe is one of them or something else. and when people say we have a lot of cameras looking at the sky, don't look professional, they're not saying the fig. and it's possible that one out of the media and objects in the sky is of a very exotic nature. and what you witness might have been one of those. and i was actually a dinner at the southern where i live with the public lecture and the read 1000 people around the table with a high net worth. and both of them revolt is about experience is very similar to

the one you described. and these are reliable people, the very serious people they, they just saw something that cannot be explained and, and the objects that they. so we're moving in ways that we cannot the associate with human made the technologies. so i'm saying i'm, i'm very intrigued by those reports. unfortunately, i don't have access to the data from those reports, but that's why i'm leaving the got a little project. i think we should, the hedge are bits and put billions of dollars into the search for extra terrestrial intelligence. and only if we don't find anything, then you could make the argument. perhaps we are alone, but we thought we think that's f or, you know, it said it's just the, you know, appropriate scientifically to make the case that we might be alone. fantastic, wonderful, wonderful interview. thank you so much for taking the time. thank you, john. almost everybody has a tail of the unexplained a u. f. o sighting. even president jimmy carter reported seeing

a usaa when he was the governor of georgia. how exciting is it to know that there are professionals like dr. isaac lo, taking this issue so seriously and doing research that will give us the answers we see. and that will stand the test of time. i would like to thank our guests doctor, i'll be look of for being with us today. and thank you to our viewers for joining us. for another episode of the whistle blowers, i'm john curiosity. please follow me on such deck as john terry, yahoo! we'll see you next time the. 2 2 2 2 2 the hello and welcome to the cost of full points. here we discussed some real in the

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