sergey petleevich mobrode asked, what’s the matter, why such a simple signature? and he answered me so calmly, this is to make it easier to fake it. this is what mavrodi is all about. people try to complicate their signature, to make it as difficult as possible to forge. and mavrodi was paradoxical. to make life easier for those who would forge his signature, he signed everything exactly like this. you know, right now i’m holding the mmm share certificate in my hands, i see sergei’s signature. i think i see my brother’s signature, vyacheslav is exactly the same, just here see, here is vm, well, this was the logic of these people, yes, they started together, as they say, yes, then their paths diverged, that’s when i interviewed sergei pontelevich, he also left me a signature, on the mmm tickets, i asked him to sign to wish himself happiness without pyramids, why such a situation arose when they suffered. there are more than 15 million

people, when it all started in 1994, society was not ready for any pyramid schemes and was generally financially illiterate, that is, in a good way, it is generally necessary it was at the state level to ban all sorts of economic affairs, well , it’s like now microloans, and i think that they should be banned, you know, because the population has not gone far. okay, or take them under special control. mmm could afford to use such a character, lenya golubkova, yes, that everyone believed, that is, there was such a psychological influence. no, well, lenya also didn’t have much, let’s say, he understood, yes, he was filming for 3 kopecks, if he understood the scale of everything, he would have named such ones by the third episode fees that kozlovsky would nervously smoke today, well, but what could the state do at that moment, if it couldn’t do it, close it.

at the legal level, it was possible to make the same educational videos, where, for example, some sharikov, but he was a completely injured investor already at that time, but you can return your autograph, there is a mistake, he writes happiness through and, to the director wishes happiness, well, this is just his special perception of his special position relative to other people, even there is... we’ll look at it, as physiologists and psychologists say, this is his favorite position in which he liked to sit, unfortunately, this is not in the interview, well, yes, it’s there , well, it’s everywhere, yes, it actually says about the fact that a person dominates everyone, that is, like a kind of lion, but he has such an aura here, everything, that is, from the very beginning he put himself on another level higher, and accordingly played by his own rules with me. i also have

my 5 kopecks to insert, and about happiness without pyramids, in fact, there’s a black cat between we ran for the first time with sergei pateleevich when i refused to join mmm 2011, he always liked to say that i would be the last person on planet earth who would not join his own pyramid, and i very carefully told him: “sergei petelevich , and is it possible that there will be one more person on planet earth who will not set foot on your pyramid, it will be me.” he's offended, come on. let's return now to komsomolsky prospekt, our correspondent, viktor nosov, goes to this famous, as you say, bad apartment. attention. 6 years have passed since the death of a man whose name in our country became a household name. the only one, besides the president, who addressed the population with new year's greetings. millions suffered from his financial pyramid scheme. sergei mavrodi. he lived in this legendary house on komsomolsky prospekt. our film crew went to find out if the memory of this key figure of the nineties is still alive, and what the neighbors say about him. and most importantly, who now

lives in the apartment where the plans of the great combinator sergei movrodi were born. moskvich, a good man, from a good family, smart, i don’t remember whether he was an excellent student, or at the institute, or at school, or somewhere, but the locals seem to respect us, he didn’t deceive a single one. after 17 kamaz trucks of money were stolen from him, a table was placed in our entrance between the seventh and eighth floors and... whoever came here, whoever he didn’t know, for a month after that, being already there somewhere in running or wherever in the duma, everyone who did not come was not asked for their first or last name, they were given money, not a single one there was a victim, this is a normal person, there were no, let’s say, parties here and so on, nothing like that happened, he finished the mefe. well, accordingly

, did the mathematician observe such a picture when the assault took place here? i saw, i saw how a car drove in, now i’ll tell you, well, in general, like a gazelle, what’s its name. they surrounded them at the same time , standing with machine guns, here they were still standing, down there, here they are, that means to the neighbors, so that from above, so to speak, to get to his balcony, here, well, imagine from this door and before that, here they are as an option, he came from prison, that’s what... he walked and walked , they say, they didn’t see him, they did renovations in his apartment, it’s good, it’s some kind of apartment, well, it’s already occupied now, you know, there’s a landlady there, malikov told us, dmitry fry, well, there ’s olga, yes, his daughter, yes, the eldest, but sarkiz, gubasaryan,

a man who worked as a manager for sergei mavrode for a year, watched this story with us, and today sarkis is here with an even more sensational statement. that he heard mavrodi’s voice on the phone after his official death. so you've been around for a while were even a fan of mavrode, that’s right, if i know the story. you know, andrei, i was inspired by mavrodi only after i read his books and realized that this is not just a person, and well, he can be assessed in unusual categories.

as soon as you start getting involved in politics, it will be the beginning of the end, in fact, that’s what happened, at that time i was just in the basement, well, i ’ll tell you this story, hands above my head - this is nonsense, i’ll tell you more, i personally have the same habit, so, at some second you are kidnapped, you are kept in the basement for 4 months, that’s right, a residential building, you manage to escape , you believe that mavrodi ordered you, i didn’t believe it for a long time, but...

famous people, like unknown people, when i remember, you yourself said that it was lev konstantinov, well you say , you recognized the voices, by the way, then there’s an interesting question , why did you organize your own pyramid, yes, look, i’ll answer, i’ll answer, firstly,

i didn’t organize my own, i was also invited there by the manager for a salary, very quickly, professionally managing various dubious structures, scammers, doubtful, not doubtful.

or how long he sat there for 4 years, he supported her, it was not his security service, these were the people who - around him, while in prison, said: listen, let's stir up something new, now you come out, our people will meet you. they got him drunk there, they threw him there and they just thought that he would die there, but he, in short, took him out when

they took him to the hospital, why did they take him to the hospital, but he was in a narcotic state, and then when they started there he came to his senses, that's why they finished him off there, but the fact that they buried the other 100% just to make ends meet, he may have been promised brazil, of course, but the point of leaving her there alive, so that he would move somewhere in brazil, this is the criminal world, he got there when he appeared in the sailor's silence , i know why, i’m 6 years old myself. i served the pyramid, okay, but now, according to your version, confirmation of the words of lawyer alexander molokhov, what calls did you receive after mavrodi’s death? andrey, after mavrodi’s death i received a call, a man said in mavrodi’s voice, absolutely, this is his voice, sarkis, hello, it's me. usually, when our mailboxes were hacked in the system, he started me with this text. a letter, that is, he started a letter from a different account, only he could know this, yes, well, me too, which means

that somewhere in the twenty-second year, while in the parking lot, i was warming up the car, a man was walking towards me, this man came up to me in a different guise, but in the same voice, only his lips gave him away a little, he said: “sarkis, here, well, as it were, here he is, i, we talked, i can’t.” now exactly the text to convey and partially say that he said that everything will still happen and everything is still to come, this is the very thing that i can convey. sarkiz , perhaps you communicated with artificial intelligence, say, a live operator, you hear in the voice when a living person is standing in front of you, so what do you end up with, it means a living person, and that technology doesn’t exist now, like what? listen, listen, i want a second, he asks a good question, what was he in, how did the meetings end,

what, well, did he appear in, what’s next, i’m telling you, he i i’ll partially convey, 2024, just look for good programmers, that’s it, yeah, that is, you’re just now starting to create a legend to reincarnate this story, which has already passed through 201, you can perceive it. there were a lot of people who really faked his voices, it’s not so difficult, these technologies are now generally very developed, they were the same, it was him too and he told us all this, why are you doing this and he told us, in this apartment we sat in his empty apartment, where there was an exercise bike, a t-shirt and a horizontal bar, and he said,

that i want a financial apocalypse, but this, but this is nonsense, but these are fairy tales, what a financial apocalypse, he was already working for thieves in law at that moment, i’m more than sure, he worked all this, this is all a little, this had to be tricked in my ears, i believed it, but they, let’s still go back to the version of alive and not alive, because that’s the same thing. former only wife elena pavlyuchenko, yeah, and it so happened that they called

me as well. okay, was the coffin open or closed? well, at the funeral service the coffin was open, naturally. so, there was no brother, there was no brother, there was, there was his cousin , he looked very much like him, in the sense that it was immediately clear that this was a relative, he bent over the coffin, he said the following, literally, that he, he said, had a hump on his nose appeared. during his lifetime, he says, she was not there, he is the spitting image of panteley, that is, he is the spitting image of his father, and for me this was the key, perhaps the defining moment, which in my opinion is much more important there... of some and other things, that is you don’t really believe in what the lawyer is saying today, you think it’s just andrei, there is no question of faith here , there is a question of knowledge, it is quite obvious that mavrodi died, since he is just a man, no matter how brilliant, wonderful a person he was, he is mortal, well, how did he end up at this bus stop in strange, according to your version, according to my version, he was just walking, no, well, first of all, it’s far

from home, and look, komsomolsky avenue, there was a bus buoy in the apartment, wait a second, he was hiding. if they had ordered it, realistically, it would have been removed anyway, and he seemed to have a presentiment, you understand that most likely such an ending awaits him, which is why he focuses his attention on this conversation with killer, and even described it in the book. andrey, i also don’t believe that he came there and died, it seems to me

that he was simply poisoned, brought to a bus stop, abandoned, died, the ends had to be cut off, understand, 2011 and the movrodi of the nineties are on different scales, 2011 is not a threat to anything , he first of all needed to be gone, well, at least for the public, so let us calm down now, short advertisement: illegitimate son mavrodi is on television for the first time, why all this time the founder of the pyramid hid information about him after advertising. in one of the recent programs, when we throughout the country saved tv presenter dana borisova, whose health had deteriorated due to fashionable drugs for extreme weight loss, we realized that russia was covered by a wave of a new method of weight loss, people were buying drugs for diabetics en masse, we conducted dozens of raids and made test purchases, they just didn’t ask us for a prescription for a prescription drug, not you need to touch me, horrific details

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a completely different person, the doubt could be dispelled by the family-minded, his wife, elena pavlyuchenko, daughter, whose name in general different sources differ in what her name is, well, irina, in my opinion, irina or ekaterina, yes, maybe his brother or never met him, brother or ex-daughter-in-law marina , who... according to you, is still married to oleg gazmanov, but for many years now, and the mavrodi family knows nothing at all, there are rumors that brother and the wife changed their names, they are so afraid of deceived investors, in february, on condition of anonymity, we were given an address in moscow where the daughter of the great combinator, ekaterina or irina, lives, but at this address this is what was waiting for our correspondents.

victor, you're probably confusing me with someone, because i am not katerina sergeevna, i have my own affairs, please, can you leave me alone, i called the security now, but we decided to take a different path, as it turned out, several years ago, in addition to a legitimate daughter, sergei mobrodiy also has an illegal a born son, and today for the first time on a talk show you will see maxim mernes, what he thinks about... guesses about the death of the one he calls his father. maxim, hello, we are glad to see you, thank you for being with us today, let's listen to what you told us before

programs, and then we will return to you, thank you, i got the mmm tattoo in 2016, then mmm still existed, as if in a foreign segment, and my father was still alive, that is, everything was still good then, well, my father sergei mavrodi , i knew from childhood that i knew that there was such a person, as if he were my... father, well, everything, as if concretely, as if he never took any special part in my life, so to speak, so to speak, never didn’t live together, never really communicated closely like that, there weren’t any gifts, there weren’t any parties at all there’s nothing like that at all, he appeared , so to speak, in my life, only after he got out of prison there already in the tenth year, that is, he created a blog, he could write there and so on, so it turns out that i’m there for him wrote that how are you doing, that’s all, how would he answer me, only then we called on skype from... time we already somehow started communicating, that is, in this format, mmm, that means we have a channel old, it ’s called sergey mavrodil, i’ve been running it since

2014, well, plus there are domains, everything is there also, like, all these names, then there’s this website here mmm there and so on, they all hung on me in general, it seems like we never met with my father sergei, well, we regularly called each other on the internet, i ’m sure that somehow if this whole... story for him to be there again didn’t seem to start to be interesting, it’s unlikely that i would have been involved there at all, it’s unlikely that we would have communicated with them somehow, very closed, as if he didn’t let anyone in, because there are very few adequate people in general, and in general he is such a very strange person, that is, it’s like, well, coming from an ordinary person, it’s difficult to understand in general, i love this here, this is all some kind of not his story at all, well , not my story either, as life has shown, that is, somehow i don’t have anything like that at all, well, there’s no resentment were in childhood, then when i already... included history in everything , there was no resentment at all, because well, roughly speaking, he helped me build my life well, well , it’s all the same, then in the end i ended up in prison , as it were, well, it’s okay, that is, at that time everything was fine, that is, there 7

years basically. i lived well, so just a thank you. maxim, do you believe that sergei mavrodi may be alive? of course, i don’t believe it, first of all, and this whole story is very much inflated with the fact that he is alive, this is not very good, because there are a lot of different fraudulent schemes that seem to use mmm stories and collect this is where the money is. i'm sure he's dead, were you at the funeral? no, i wasn't, because i had a situation that... i was held hostage, i was still lived in thailand, there, yes, you said that you were in a thai prison, let's listen to this page of your biography, the same as your father's prison sentence, well, i 'll tell you now what a thai prison looks like, this is it now my room , here i live alone, in a thai prison there are 40 people, that is, everyone sleeps right next to each other, there is a concrete floor, this thing here will seem like something divine, and compared to

what yes... well, i was just sitting at home, four policemen arrived, i they just immediately loaded it into a paddy wagon, took away all the computers there, everything that i had from equipment, you have a lot of money in your accounts, it’s unclear where it came from, then they brought everything there to prison, this is a little thing, it’s for sleeping, because everything works out there while the light in the cell is on, that is, when you fall asleep, you put it on your head just like that, and then you just fall asleep, as if the light wasn’t on every 4 hours in the morning.”

there he either already comes to terms with the fact that he is in prison, there he either pays bail, that is, there is 35-40,000 dollars and so on further, they gave me the opportunity to pay for another cell, then it cost 70,000 baht, that’s about 1,500 dollars, there were prisoners from china, from australia, from belgium, that is, it was like some kind of connection was made later, in principle, even what - the contacts remain, now we are calling each other there, who has already left there, so what do you do and after you go out from jail, how do you feel after that?

this is your attention, we are located near the khamovinsky district court of moscow, because today there will be a court hearing, which concerns the questions of where mavrodi’s criminal proceeds are located. i am currently a claimant. previously, i was a shareholder of one of his companies, then i became a victim. currently, i and 20 people who gave me powers of attorney are participating in trials of all injured citizens. there were about 10,500 spets by sentence, so the total education at that time amounted to about 4.5 billion rubles. our group's total damage is about 1 billion, regardless of whether the movrodi is living or movrodi, the bailiffs are obliged to execute legal acts of collection of curds. we have information and evidence, documents , and the courts met us halfway, to examine these documents, we asked the court to make

an appropriate decision, which the courts did, so the case seems to be alive, we are trying to achieve the execution of judicial acts that have entered into legal force, on the recovery of criminal offenses from the debtor income. alexander petrovich, just a defrauded investor is here today, and you are the version, hello, morodi’s money was found, the court established it, so if anyone is interested, i can document it, where the proceeds of crime are located, but at the same time, as i understand it, if after all. sergei’s first mm was opened together with vyacheslav, vyacheslav is alive, can i ask him? it is possible, but this requires a separate path to go through the courts. so far we have achieved recovery from mavrodi, the money is in the enterprise that mavrod created on december 3, 1992. the company is still operating, the only thing is that in 2016 it changed its name. the court wrote in its decision: bailiffs, you are obliged

to recover money from this organization. behind arbitration court, so