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Understanding 9/11tv Vasilisa RUSSIA1 August 15, 2024 4:25am-4:59am MSK
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nikush, are you okay? everything is fine, we will have dinner soon, but i don’t want to have dinner, leave me alone.
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good day to all, between two families in krasnoyarsk , two mothers, biological and adoptive, are fighting for the three-year-old lara . a similar story for the right to be a mother unfolded in irkutsk. how does it happen that girls end up in foster families with living parents? in these shots, little lara and her adoptive mother, who. relatives of the biological, it would seem, the baby found a family, but childhood happiness was short-lived, unexpectedly for everyone , the biological mother appeared from prison, from where she was deprived of freedom, she wrote a letter with a greeting card, i was told that most likely she would be released and continue to live her life. in the new family , the girl quickly forgot about the shelter, even began to call her guardian oksana by the cherished word mom, only the biological mother nadezhda was not satisfied with this. it is unfair that my child is in strangers.
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suspected, they raised little anya for 5 years, whom her biological mother abandoned in the maternity hospital. this is my daughter, yes, what is your name? hello, how old are you, four. however, the guardians refused to give the child to her biological mother, but she took her own, protected her daughter, having secured the decision of the guardianship authorities. anya, anechka! where are you taking her? we, we will stand next to this.
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today we will sort out these stories, where innocent children suffer in the fight for the right to be parents. oksana leonova, lara's adoptive mother, is in our studio today. so, how did you decide to adopt the girl, tell us, hello, studio, hello, andrey, my path to motherhood was persistent and long, in marriage with my husband we tried for a long time to have a child, unfortunately, we did not succeed. and there were many attempts, including medical manipulations and ivf, well, that is, i did two ivf, i had three cryopreservations, unfortunately, nothing good, that is, i mean it did not end with a child, my husband and i divorced, this was one main reason for the divorce, well, then, that is , i did not give up, and i continued to resolve this issue, in november of the twenty-second year ... i took this one from the orphanage
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a baby girl of about four years old, and she calls me mom from the very first day, naturally, and our feelings are very strong, just like mine for her and hers for me, and why was it she, tell me, what touched you, you know, eyes, eyes, and you understand that it was she, she and no one else, and of course... i had a choice, either a boy, there was another one, or larochka, and at the school for adoptive parents, when we were studying, a psychologist asked us in class to write a fairy tale about meeting your child, when i was writing the fairy tale, that is, in at the very beginning i didn't even understand who i would have, that is, who i wanted more, a boy or a girl, when already, that is , i had the end of this fairy tale, that is, i clearly knew that it would be a girl, that is... what age i
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had not yet determined, well, that's how it turned out, anyway i wanted the youngest age, but there are very few such children in the database, but i found her in june of the twenty -second. i saw her for the first time in the database, there was information that she had a sister, accordingly, a big, older one sister, i wouldn't have been able to handle two children, that is , i put the information aside, then information appeared that my mother was a sentenced to a very short term, for 2 months, that is , it was also impossible to take her, then information appeared, her term was increased, that is, the term was increased by 2 years, and i got a specialist. i am very grateful to this specialist, when we talked, she said: well, i give a referral, that's it, it's like a stone off my soul, that's it, they immediately gave me a referral, i called, i went to the children's home, with the director we talked, he says, come, you
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understand, the whole journey came together instantly, and of course, when i saw her, i'm sitting in the director's office and i hear these steps, tap-tep-tep, they're bringing her in, well that's it, well that's it, she started... crying, my heart was about to break, well even the teacher who brought her, well he says, well that's it, well contact has been established, this is her, and until march of twenty -three, that is, that is, from november of twenty-second to march of twenty-third , you could say, happily, we had such an adaptation of life, everything and let's let's see how your days go together, attention. woke up at 7 o'clock, ate, the day before, of course, washed up and did hygiene, everything as it should be, had lunch, slept, walked, after sleep also a break, a walk, dinner, at night , of course, fairy tales, we
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discussed everything with her, talked, mom, even you talk to her like an adult, and i say, i consider her an adult, in september we went to the yasennaya group, despesa, the adaptation period was difficult, difficult, because i think so, somewhere in her head remained this information that she was once separated she i didn't want to lose any more, she made contact with the teacher well, they gave us a description that the child is very sociable, understands, perceives the teacher, makes contact with the children, we worked with her very hard, worked very hard, well , that is, twice a day, that is , in this regard, this is progress for us, because now we have graduated from the nursery group. according to the results of testing the children, the teacher said that we have a high level of development, the psychologist, when she looked, he is also everywhere with us according to the results, that is, the level is higher, above her age, and at one year and 10 she already knew both burgundy and pink,
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she didn’t say anything, we were riding in a stroller, walking, and she said red to the car, there, a yellow car, well, that is, she named all the colors, she knows all the numbers up to ten, they returned this child, and accordingly, the mother had, it is, infectious diseases, and i was also consulted by a social worker from the children's home that - in order to - at least
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organize a meeting with the child, she should provide certificates confirming that the conditions have been created and so on, well, that is, this was the stumbling block, that is , the very first one, and because the biological mother provided a certificate that made me doubt the authenticity of this certificate, that is , it was not properly certified, according to the order of the minister of development 972, well , that is, it was not properly executed, when she was told that you have a certificate like this, in this form, and provide a new certificate, but she did not provide a new certificate, well and accordingly, that was the end of it, then we had several court hearings, as a result , the last court hearing was on march 29. a decision was made to limit her parental rights, my mother had only five convictions, five for intentional crimes, let's listen to what you said, briefly before the broadcast, attention, from the place of imprisonment, she wrote a letter with a greeting card, that's how we
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played, and a specialist from the guardianship authorities gave me this letter, such are biological mothers, most likely they write from places of imprisonment only in order to get out, well, that is, in practice it was like that... all the templates and letters, absolutely the same, because there are specially trained people in places of imprisonment, who, well, i won’t even tell you secrets, who write these letters, and she told me: that most likely she will get out and continue to live her life, she doesn’t need a child, and after that she started writing and writing, but i didn’t read these letters anymore, she says: i’m a good mother, yes, i’m a good mother, i miss her, i suffer, that's all, that's it, i think the material component is very interesting to her, because she never worked anywhere until the moment she left, now she has provided documents to the court, at least about the fact that she works. at two jobs, and has never had a permanent residence permit, never, well, and
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accordingly, when these legal issues began to develop, it turned out that she has three children, she is deprived of relations with two of them, she hid this information, said that she had two children, it turned out that she has a very a large debt and alimony for the first child over 1 million rubles. it turned out that she had, when i... they gave me an extract from the children's home, that she had multiple convictions, it turns out, five intentional crimes committed, and the last crime, well, for which she served her sentence, was committed during a dangerous recidivism of the crime, for theft and twice, twice she had for the sale of narcotics, that is, in total, at her 39 years old, she was sentenced to 22 years of imprisonment, in total for five she served 16 years of her sentence for a complete crime,
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well, having such anamnesis from her mother, aren't you afraid that the girl you are fighting for will bring you surprises in 15 years or will do something, no, i am absolutely not afraid of this, because for a child and the upbringing of a child, the social environment in which the child is located is important, what can bio... mother can show by her own example, how to steal, sell drugs or be in prison from the age of 17, she can show this example to her child, or still i, who cares, is engaged in the development of the child. larisa, your sister came to support you today, let's invite her to the conversation, what does she think about the situation that is happening in your family? hello, andrey, hello, studio! good evening, you are not afraid, really, of all these
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genes that, we heard about mom, we do not yet know who the dad is in this story, well, yes, the situation is certainly not easy, when we took lara into our family, we understood all the difficulties and difficulties and we understood that ahead, well there will be battles. our lara, she is only officially listed as oksana's ward, but in fact she is a real member of the family and she. became our favorite from the very first days, as soon as she appeared in our family, and why didn't they adopt her right away? firstly, in the database, in the regional one, there are very few such children who are without consequences, mainly children who have brothers and sisters, well , that is, this complicates the adoption processes in well, in my situation, at least, secondly, children whose parents are deprived of parental rights, there are also a few of them, you see, and i was indeed warned, warned that the biological mother could end up
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in a situation where i was given an extract from the children's home, when i picked her up, the child had developmental disabilities, she didn't crawl at 9 months and didn't sit at 9 months, this indicates that the mother didn't do any development at all and didn't do anything at all, but it's been a month since she came to the children's home, a month later she was already sitting and crawling and cooing, that is, this indicates that the child ended up in a different environment, everything is different. you said that the mother sat for 16 years, that's right, this child was born in prison,
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no, the child was not born in prison, the mother got out, served time, gave birth, that is, she has only three children, she deprived two of parental rights, the first child was under the care of his grandparents from birth and is still there, the eldest child is already 18 years old, she put the second child in the ore hospital, the third child is my daughter, she committed a deliberate crime when the child was 8 months, that is, it says that she has embarked on the path of correction, it is impossible, because if a person at 39 years old has not corrected himself and led such a lifestyle, then after 39. you already understand that - nadezhda fedorova came to this program today to tell her story and her pain, we meet her, hello, hello, hello, tell me what happened, why did you suddenly need this girl when you abandoned the other two and were deprived of parental
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rights, and i did not abandon my child, i fought even while in... in places of imprisonment, the fact that i was in prison, of course, i understand oksana viktorovna, thank you very much for the fact that my child was with you for a year and a half, i do not forbid you to see my child, but all my rights, i am the biological mother of my child, you understand, i did not abandon my daughter, nadezhda, but tell me please, what is motherhood for you, this is the most precious thing that i have a child, that i have my children, i love my children, i am ready, that is, for the sake of my children for everything, and how it turned out that the girls are 8 months old, and you commit a crime? unforeseen circumstances, so i ended up in prison, and the child remained, you understand that the same, one way or another, if you did not take the righteous path, let's say , yes, then what is the chance that you will not commit a crime later,
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i took the correct path, i work two jobs, that is, i am completely ready to provide for my child no longer committed.
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on the path of correction, but your whole life shows the following: you have three children, if you love them so much, then why didn't you show your maternal qualities with your first child, who is being kept by his grandmother, why did you leave him with your second child and he was adopted, now you got out only six months ago, and before that your life consists of five convictions, 17 years in prison, don't you think that it is somehow premature to claim this on the basis of a short term of your entire life in comparison, so if you care about your child, then you understand that he has... already at a young age ended up in another family, he does not know you, he has not seen you, and this woman, you can see how she treats him, she is definitely a good mother, so live your life, appreciate that you have really improved, you are in too much of a hurry now, and this is a great risk that everything will happen again, i am not in a hurry, and i am sure that i will be able to raise and support my child, because i am ready for all of this,
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i am communicating with my daughter, please, after the first term, when you came out you thought that you would have more. ahead, why was there a second, why was there a third, this means that you cannot plan your life, the first time, let's say, anything can happen, you went to prison, but most people get out after their first term and never go there again, you've had it five times, think about it in your youth, out of stupidity, you misunderstood something, i'm talking to my eldest daughter now , the last time you went to prison was at 35, that's not youth or stupidity, yes, the last time i went to prison was at 35, that is, unforeseen circumstances, that you were convicted, and the last time was 158, that is, theft, right? the eighth heroine stole 4,200 rubles from a pocket, who entered the apartment. i also wanted to clarify that the biological mother never tried to restore her parental rights in relation to the first child. i also wanted to clarify that the debt on the lara for alimony already amounts to more than 200,000 and the biological mother invited a lawyer to the court, accordingly
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paid, but does not participate in the financial support of her daughter, i do not need her money, i do not need money for her.
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help me, aunt, and who are you? you yourself delivered the baby, you said that he died, to return, a bad omen, my house, my husband, my son is sleeping upstairs, for whom i am a mother, i will not go anywhere, a terrible situation, for two women, one child, one man, by law, he is our son with vika, you took him away from me also by law, return, go there, find her, and welcome her here from august 19 on rtr.
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welcome to our program, just some kind of holiday. friends met here, one hundred percent certainty that friends will not let down. your humble servant. i'm a bit thoughtful, maybe it's the ones who lay the asphalt, the asphalt pavers. 100% guarantee. it won't be boring, aren't you afraid, the light bulbs here are great, what are the tourists looking for in the cave, we have one of the answers, maybe it's the right one, puddles, 100 % fun from the game, can you juggle, i'm just smart, yes, yes, 100 to one, let's go on saturday and sunday to rtr. once again, good afternoon, birth mother versus foster. for those who just joined us, we're discussing the history of women from krasnoyarsk, who are fighting for the right to be
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a mother for a girl named lara. lara found herself between two fires, as soon as the girl's biological mother was released from prison and decided to restore her parental rights and take her child from a foster family. the biological mother writes off her criminal past as the mistakes of her wild youth and assures that... it is now that she has embarked on the path of correction for the sake of her child. moreover, nadya claims that at the time when the girl was taken away , the baby's biological father, artur kozlovsky, was in the apartment; today he came here too, let's meet dad lara, let's meet him. hello, everyone, lord, were you at home when the guardianship came to take the girl, right, hello, were you at home, did you tell them that you were the father? yes, she said that nadezhda called me, said that well , she had unforeseen circumstances, that when we come, let's call things by their proper names, please, you understand,
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unforeseen circumstances, this is... that the girl, that the girl will be left alone now, i came right away, and you are the official father in the light of the child's birth, are you listed as the father? no, i did not have time to stop, establish paternity then there were no options for you to leave the child, exactly zero, well, that is, you nevertheless, as if i asked, that is, i begged on my knees, begged the guardianship, that is, as if zeroing is not necessary, here it is necessary to observe the rights, in particular, well, why did not you go, did not do a dna test, did not prove that you are the father, took? the child, if you are like that, just like that, just took and took away, in the children's home, and they explained to me about that yes, indeed, lara's biological father called, asked how he could take the child, and as soon as he was told, first you have to do a genetic test and prove that you are the father, and after that you will pay alimony, after that the father stopped calling, what alimony, and disappeared, and the child's life, what alimony, because...
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nadezhda, why wasn't the father entered in the birth certificate at the birth stage? what was your relationship like then? well, our relationship was normal from the start, and that's why i somehow didn't think about the fact that , no matter how i thought about it, you have a child in your relationship, if he were registered, there wouldn't be these problems, you understand, we weren't in a hurry with this, i don't know, i thought about it later, no one thinks, there are plenty of families, no one thinks about the need to register the father, no one thinks about the fact that there are other children somewhere, someone
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or when the child becomes an adult, you say, don't take the child away, and the child will make a claim to the mother: mother, did you have the opportunity to take the child away, you had, and what did you do, well, nothing, i decided to give up the child, here too, excuse me, because well, and why can't you, let's say, come to an agreement and give the mother the opportunity to come and see, that's the point, i started with this story about what i'm talking about, if she forbids gifts, even forbids them, gifts are now in guardianship.
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intentional crime, when the child was 8 months old, that is, she endangered the child, committed a crime once again, okay, you are working now, yes i am working, you rented an apartment, yes i rented an apartment apartment, guardianship authorities came to me , conducted, to housing conditions, where the paper is in the court hearing that the child can be, that is, live, all conditions are created for the child, i also provided all the certificates that i work, characteristics from neighbors, from the district police officer, that is, from everyone, all the papers that were required of me, that is, the authority i do not know about what kind of disease she has, you allegedly have some kind of disease that interferes with raising a child, and that i probably had been ill before, that is, with an illness, well tuberculosis, tuberculosis, i recovered, i
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provided all the certificates that i am healthy, these are not all the diseases that say something, well, let's do it here without public clarifications, as i understand it. you probably know that a 12-square-meter room, they looked that the living space does not allow to take the child, so they told me no, then the guardianship came again to my sister, they also did a kind of inspection, they said that the conditions do not allow, that
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the premises are small, the child will have nowhere to live here, and you visited in the orphanage child, there is no child in the orphanage, since i have two children in my home, as if i work, this is the basis, so they didn’t give me lara, but we fought. we tried to take the child, for some reason they didn’t give it to relatives, since i am a real aunt, that is, they gave it to a stranger , he wants, he goes and takes it, no one forbade you to come to the orphanage, hug, kiss, give gifts, whatever, i agree with you, but i didn’t have time, since i myself have two children, one problem is that although it was legally possible the law was broken when they took the child away and gave it to another family. but you all - well, your actions are such that you, i have my own children, property, that is, you do nothing to ensure that the child is with you, that 's the problem, you see, we tried to take the child away even before...
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