all these difficulties and maintain love for each other, watch the first episode today right after the evening news. news follows the development of the main events in russia and abroad, stay with us. the granddaughter of the famous international journalist gennady shishkin, alexandra, claims that she fell into slavery and lost her apartment due to the fault of her former friends. she said that she was the owner of two apartments in moscow, one of which she inherited from the family of her famous grandfather. but 4 years ago, in the apartment on zhulebensky boulevard, where alexandra lived together with my disabled mother, there was a fire and the women were saved by a neighbor, a fitness trainer valery.

solabutin came up to me on the roof, handsome, obviously an athlete, and he grabbed me under the armpits, pulled me out, immediately climbed to my mother, here in the darkness, with difficulty pulled my mother out. all the media wrote about valery's heroic act, he did not abandon the rescued women and continued to call them names even after the fire. valery and alexander became friends, and then the fitness trainer introduced her to another friend of his. tatyana nikitina. valera and tatyana helped my mother and me restore documents, passport, insurance policy. but tatyana took them away right away. since we are helping, let them be with us. the new friends started doing repairs in the shishkin's burnt-out apartment, and rented a one-room apartment in the same area for alexandra and her mother, and then persuaded the women to move out of town to a cottage with tatyana's parents. they brought us to the villages of peshino, ramensky district. i didn't even know, neither i nor my mother, where they were taking us, everything

continued as help, but already a little aggressively, they told me that you have nowhere to go and that you must do as need. then, according to alexandra, she was convinced to sell the apartment she inherited from her famous grandfather for 15 million rubles. but she never saw the money. instead , she was told that she had to work off her living expenses and was forced to work on the property to look after.

escape from the village where she was settled and return to moscow. now she wants to punish her offenders and get the money back for the property she sold, but who deceived the granddaughter of the famous journalist, why was she kept locked up for several years and what role did she play in the whole this story was played by its savior. all sides of this tangled conflict will meet in our studio today. alexandra shishkina and her lawyer, rada nametokova today. in our studio, hello, good afternoon, sasha, well we have to say once again for the younger generation and for those who remember the times of the soviet union, who is your grandfather, yes, that for 10 years he was the first deputy general director of the tas agency, he was one of four journalists who for the first time in 20 years, 20 years american presidents did not give interviews to the soviet... press and he in

in the composition now we see these historical shots of 1985 genrikh borovik vsevlatovchinnikov, who represented the newspaper pravda, stanislav kandrashov, the newspaper izvestia and gennady shishkin, your grandfather, here in these shots they are interviewing reagan, these famous four journalists, now you heard your story, i told it correctly, so, your mother also worked at the tartas agency. and my mother worked in the photo chronicle, in the photo chronicle of the taz agency, and they told me that even your patronymic is gennadievna, because in memory of your grandfather, yes, and not really to your father, you, yes, how long has your mother been gone, your mother has been gone, almost a year, a little less, but before she died, you lived together, yes, you were such friends, yes, we lived together all the time. and it must

be said that your whole story, this saga that we are telling today, began in 2020, you live in the zhulebino district of moscow, where a serious. fire, and what happened, how what was the cause of the fire? and the wiring, so, you have a second floor, we can see the footage now, yes, because this the story kind of got into the media, yeah, that's when , yeah, a fire, two women screaming for help, and as i understand it, miraculously you're saved then , it gets on camera, i don't know it myself, yeah, fitness trainer valery solobutin, yeah, well let's listen to what you told us, i know you're worried. i spent a week in intensive care, as soon as they brought me in, they immediately put an oxygen mask on me, maintaining oxygen, i kept asking where my mother was and what was wrong with my mother, they brought me water, handed me some napkins,

they told me that this was the man who saved me, and they gave me his phone number, i contacted valera, thanked him, asked for a phone number to contact him there, he brought me a smartphone, as i remember, a pillow, some sweets, something like that, well, i was a little surprised, of course, but he explained to me that he wanted to help him, my mother and i were in a hopeless situation, there was nowhere to go, and valera rented us an apartment, threw a link on the internet, asked for help for a rented apartment, literally almost the whole world gathered.

mom, she was bedridden all this time, that is, they had already brought her diapers there, valera was told that the owner did not like it smell, didn't like the fact that my mother was bedridden, she asked us to move out, valera and tatyana suggested going, well, as they called it, to tatyana's mother's dacha for a while.

i asked sasha the same question, because i didn't find my mother when alexandra contacted me, my mother had already passed away, sasha, why, if there is a good apartment on prospekt mira, why do you have to go to some village, but here too everything is very explainable, given that these comrades. in slavery, with whom alexandra, her mother was, they morally they were so suppressed, it was not profitable for them if they suddenly moved to prospekt mira, that is, they did, in fact, they say, we did the renovation on zhulebensky boulevard, and why couldn't we do the same renovation in this

apartment on prospekt mira, it's just logical, so let's listen to what sasha told us, how she moved into tatyana nikitina's house and how her life was going there. attention, they brought us to the village of peshino, ramensky district, they just took us away, well , valera in the car, i didn't even know, neither i, nor mom, where are you taking us? mom kept asking where they were taking us, and why? they brought a builders' house, said that for two or three weeks while they were doing repairs in the apartment in shuleibino, we could move in with mom. valera said that he had collected a certain amount, started doing repairs, showed us photos, videos, they cleaned the kitchen today, i didn't expect anything bad from them then, valera. well , i liked him at that time, yes, but tatyana immediately stated that he was her man and that was it. valera and

tatyana helped mom and me restore documents, a passport, an insurance policy, but tatyana immediately took them, since we are helping, let them have documents with us, they kept asking us how you lived before, do you have other apartments and you knew that and yes. the apartment is an inheritance from grandma, like on prospekt mira, but they told me and my mom that there is not enough money to renovate the apartment, let's sell grandma's apartment, i really wanted to move out, i really wanted to go back, and as if there was no special way out, well, i had to agree, they took us to the notary several times and also a power of attorney. to write, mom didn't even want to, so i tried to persuade her,

tatyana tried to persuade me, we'll throw you out, the apartment is run down, you won't be able to live there with your mother, and your mother is disabled, but she needs care, think about it, what's better for you to live with us and do it the way i do, or go wherever you want, do whatever you want, everything continued as help, but already a little aggressively, they told me that you have nowhere to go and that you have to do it the way it should be, you have to go and sell me the apartment, on these conditions, that 3 million, uh, in parts over several years, well, that is, i i didn't know how much this apartment cost, but of course i understood that it wasn't 3 million, of course. well, there was nowhere to go, who

went to prospekt mira to this apartment now, who is registered there now, who lives there according to the documents, andrey, now this tatyana has re-registered this apartment as a mortgage and sold it to some third parties unknown to us, at the moment no one lives there, as i understand it, some major renovation is going on there, andrey, can i ask the heroine's clarifying question again... the apartment was sold for 3 million rubles, no, for how much? and this is unknown, that is, we did not request these documents , it is unknown, here sits the seller, well, that is , the representative, she did not sell this one, my mother did not sell this one either, who sold it, tatyana sold this apartment, no, again we do not know how, that is, now this is being established by the investigation, but according to the confrontation, according to tatyana's interrogations, it turned out that...

well, here i would now, i apologize, we still need to sort out the terminology, after all, we are in the 21st century, there are mobile phones phones, is there any way to report to the police, save me, help me, i was forbidden to tell anyone anything at all, this valera, the good angel, where is he, did he disappear somewhere or what? well, yes, he left, maybe they kicked him out, or he himself, he quarreled with tatyana and just left, maybe. i apologize, here we need to understand specifically about slavery, yes , there is an objective perception of subjective, as

our heroine perceived, yes, if we are talking about arabism, if there were opportunities to go to the phone, write there email, send a message, that is, when possible, people's artist dolina, but it would seem, i love her very much, i respect her, here is something else, wait, i'm talking about something else there for, as she herself explained, how long, roughly speaking, scammers or those who tried to seize her... the apartment was processed for a minute, she has a lot of acquaintances, she has a lot of friends, look, for so long no one even knew about what was happening, so what can we say about alexander,

"hello, how long have you not seen each other? 3 years, what do you say, right now, listening to the story that you are in the scheme, you are in business, well, when they called me and provided this information, honestly, i was in such a shock that i had not heard for 3 years, neither sasha, your phone numbers have changed, 6 years or more, i have my number, my address, i am always on social networks, there are various ones, that is, i am always on, and my work". that is, well , as if i am always on display and about this story, i left from that moment, well, for myself, well, i made a decision that i do not want to see or hear anything anymore, well, in no way at all relate to this, 3 years later they called me, they said, that is, well , that's why i came, how did you meet tatyana, let's start with this, with tatyana, we met tatyana in a fitness club,

when after the fire i found out that the victims had no... i found out from the neighbors that they had no close relatives, when people started writing to me on social networks, well, with all this information, well , i realized that they were in the hospital, they had no relatives, we had to somehow help people, tatyana came up to me in the gym also with a desire to help, well, actually, that's how it is we started communicating, we went to the hospital together, we started bringing, well , various kinds of help there, i bought them phones for communication so that they would know in different wards that at least they were alive, well, they... started communicating and tatyana and i started communicating, that 's exactly when, wouldn't it seem to you that you were saving a girl from a fire early in the morning, yes, she's lonely, you're such a fitness-sports prince, there's a possibility that she falls in love with you, then you turn her head, she's ready to write you everything, thinking considering that you gave her a second chance

at life, would i then leave this whole story, absolutely not, i worked for 2 weeks. looking for where the fire was, i didn’t know who lived there, i never saw these people in the entrance at all, and the neighbors confirm this, about the suddenly arising intent, which in principle takes place, perhaps, or rather the place to be, yes, that is, you saw that there is some property there that can be obtained, you had the intent to acquire it, again, no one, i do not blame anyone, because...

the audience with interest in this situation, well, i started helping them, helping absolutely free of charge, i didn’t know what they had there, what they didn’t have, who they were, that she was the daughter

of a journalist, i also found out later, i even restored her veteran of labor book. i found her cousin, tatyana anatolyevna, i connected them so that they could communicate, i told them that there was a fire, i said, let’s help together, because i’m alone, only my friends who were there, we started cleaning the apartment with them, we started thinking, well, how to restore documents, what to do with this whole situation, it continued, well , do-it-yourself apartment renovation and with the money that friends helped, we did it for, probably, maybe four or five months, because i managed to combine with... i talked to people who passed on jackets, things, hats, there, dishes, i sat with everyone , talked, because they wrote about me in the newspapers, and elderly people who wanted to respond with help, i communicated with everyone, that's how it was,

sasha, well, yes, but at that moment we were already in peshino, in pershino, she means that at the time when valery organized this charity, so to speak, action, well , according to him, they were already. valery sasha, let's take a short commercial break now and continue the conversation, especially since tatyana nikitina is behind the scenes, who is ready to meet with you and answer all the accusations, it will be hot, don't switch, i ask a question, and you answer, agreed, sometimes you need to rethink the situation, give me 3 days, i want to understand what's going on. often need to rebuild tactics, i just wanted us, don't push, please give us time, it's always important to review the secrets

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on rtr. once again, good afternoon, today in our studio is the granddaughter of the famous journalist, internationalist gennady shishkin, alexandra, who asks for help. let me remind you that her grandfather for 10 years he was the first deputy general director of the tas agency in the soviet union, and was one of four journalists to whom ronald reagan gave the first.

but later he broke up with tatyana and did not know how alexandra's fate turned out, before leaving for advertising, they met in our studio, we continue the conversation. valery, and i have a question, there, besides some things, there is a fairly decent amount of money, yes, it was collected, but you look, there is a question there, why did you start accepting this money on your card, wait, here look, look, look, two cards and a phone number, about 250 thousand were collected,

in total, in total there were. a list of what products are needed normal, well, like regular food , they didn’t eat cooked food there, because they didn’t have teeth, they only ate instant noodles , mashed potatoes, yogurts, curds, drinks, i have all the correspondence, diapers, how much do diapers cost us, every week, more than half a year, when there is a goal, excuse me, why help, how can i not help? maybe i somehow voiced all this in a valuable way, after all right, annette asked you, at what point, you initially really helped, the whole country saw it, but at what point , what happened, this is good, why did you break up with tatyana, here's the question, you say, your characters didn't get along, this relationship wasn't planned at all, when we met, when we met, she said that she only after the divorce literally like weeks just to hang out, to chat, so it started spinning already you participated in the family's move out of town he,

of course.

i absolutely don't know at what stage documents, as far as i knew, at the time when i left, even this apartment did not fully belong to them according to the documents, because as alexandra and svetlana said, that apartment was unfit for habitation and in general in that apartment some neighbor, a lawyer and an attorney had a relationship with that apartment, who helped them resolve issues with their debts, because of which they locked themselves in the apartment for 7 years did not leave the apartment for about 7 years, this is from their words, who sasha and mom did not leave the apartment 7 years? zhulebina, zhulebina. is it true, sasha? yes, it's true, that's it. and, mom went out, well , at night, once a week for groceries and that's it, any neighbors, you know, you asked the question clearly, but i would like a little, i think that he left not when he realized that he would not get anything, when he realized that he could not influence them in any way, no matter how much he did and what he did, he could not improve the situation, he realized that there was some, let's listen to what happened in

life. tatyana, something happened to them, so we stayed there with tatyana, they told me that i had to work off my rent and started to force me to work for them. on the farm, a huge farm, a herd, a huge herd, chickens, pigs, everything on the territory, my back has been hurting for a long time, i have one kidney, the only one i have, i did it through the pain, they came to me, literally led me by the hand, they stopped feeding us there, that is, bringing food, they said that we...

ate expired food - the kind that is brought for livestock, here is a whale, take it and feed it to mom, here... i fed her as best i could, in one very scary moment for me day, she felt bad, i immediately called an ambulance, although they still required me to work, i called an ambulance, the ambulance arrived and said that yes, it was pancreatitis, i needed to go to the hospital, they told me that i needed to cook for her there, well, table five and... a diet, take care of her, but they simply did not let me do this, since i still always, all the time had to work for them, as a result , i had a relapse, she died in the hospital in the city of bronnitsy, at that time we

had not lived at home for about 2 years, you valery i didn't know anything about this, absolutely, i found out about this whole situation 3 years later, i didn't hear from nikitina at all, i didn't talk about this at all, no, maybe it's not a legal question, there is such a commandment that if you saved someone, you are already responsible for these people, when you left them intuitively, you didn't feel that something was going wrong, absolutely not, but look, it turns out you saved, tatyana joined you, then you showed activity, and then suddenly you give them to tatyana, and then you disappear, because of the fact that with tatyana had a fight, well, that's just logic.

i say, well, this is my children's house, 95 acres, here is the very pool where alya relaxed, posted photos on social networks, there was no talk of slavery then, here is my farm, this is my relaxation, my jewelry business, and this is my hobby, these are chickens, but my husband gave me a goat for my birthday, here they are eating, such handsome fellows. alya could not take care of any animals due to her physical health. her back hurt. the only thing she did was she swept the paths, so that there would be at least some

movement. the main villain is igor, a builder who lived right there, that is, igor turned her head, for what purposes, it is clear. ali had an apartment, he had two sons, but he needed to provide for his children. but that 's how it is, that's what he said himself, that's what he keeps her, now, it seems to me, he intimidates her, she is afraid of him, carries out his orders, alya herself before she got involved with igor, what, she thank tanyusha, thank nadezhda viktorovna, she thanks to igor, stopped with me to communicate, igor started drinking, started drinking, was lying flat out, i say, igor, i don't have a hospital or a sanatorium here, come on, either you don't drink, or you leave here, so he left. taking alya with him and a year later they started accusing me of keeping them in slavery, feeding them with waste, that is, well, in general they poured such dirt on me, that 's why i did this, i'm so offended, to tears, guys, really to tears, that's how offended, i

don't know, what did i do wrong, i fed them for 3 years, gave them drink and alya thanked me so much, that's very similar to the truth, i'm glad, why are you laughing, well because she... let it slip herself, at that time there was no talk of any slavery, that is, at that time, apparently, these were the times when you lived there, right?

the footage where he went to a local store, talking to local residents, everyone confirms that you freely came to the store and made purchases there periodically, that is, choosing whatever you wanted as food, but i want to say that tatyana nikitina is here today to see how she speaks your impudent eyes she is ready for any questions, we meet tatyana, hello. "hello, what do you say, today,

looking at alexandra, who accuses your family of keeping her in slavery and feeding her expired products? of course, i am shocked by the slander and the lawyer and alya, thank god that we have reasonable people, the investigative committee, the prosecutor's office, who locked me up for 2 days while this investigation was going on, provided them with all the documents, all the evidence, they figured it out, so i am with you, here..." with evidence from alya there is nothing except her words, and yes, the grandfather she was famous, but how does she, what kind of life does she lead, uh, on her own, as a granddaughter, she has eight grades, everything from her words and from the words of her mother, eight, seven or eight years, she lived in captivity in a one-room apartment, valeria has already told, i heard everything, i will confirm this, in a one-room apartment, she did not leave the house, yes, because she and her husband drank from their, from the stories of her mother and 8 years, yes, her husband beat her, gave her... a spinal injury because of which her back constantly

hurts, i constantly bought her painkillers, we did x-rays with her we went, treated her back and teeth, and gynecology, i myself arranged for her to go to the pervograd hospital, she had an operation, they pulled out all her rotten teeth, because she had been sitting for 8 years, she , well, didn’t receive any medical care, and maybe didn’t brush them, because the apartment burned down, the reason for which has not been established, they both smoked, please tell me, can, can alya call slavery, for example, he was not forty from ukraine, he came, he worked for us, he was really a drunk, my mother already

told me, that is, we are constantly, a builder, this builder, igor, yes, yes, okay, you've explained everything now, but how can you explain the fact that the apartment was eventually sold using passports that were not slanderous in principle, look, the lawyer is not in the know, i see that she is not informed about anything, i listened to her and thought, where did you get such information, madam, valery and i took them to the mfc, they did it all together, restored the passports, everything, everything, everything, it was. yes, who is for this, look, okay, the question is, but what about the apartment then, did mom ask or what? alya to this apartment has nothing to do with it. and you, the owner was her mother, and her mother, seeing the attitude of this, how is it a drunken person, under whose influence she is still now, well, she went, a second, a second, let's listen, a second, the mother sees that her daughter got involved, she came up and asked me tanya, help me, please, he and her... just well, there are witnesses and neighbors, as he ordered her, this is how she is in

slavery to him, he she went to the second floor with a basin to wash his feet, this is just good, why then a criminal case, so mom, mom persuades you to save the apartment or help your daughter so that igor doesn't know and , accordingly, alya, because she is under his negative influence, everything is mom is the owner, alya was, mom is just and what did you do with the apartment, can you tell me where it is now, who bought it, did you buy it or other people, and did you sell it? of course, you transferred it, i am the owner of the apartment, i transferred the money, part of it for what amount did you sell the apartment? for 15, for 15 million, then what kind of 3 million are we talking about, it's not clear, and to whom did you, stop, to whom did you transfer the money? 12 - to this mom, what is this confirmed, a question right away, nothing, we had a verbal agreement with her, she, so that they wouldn’t find out, and now you’re seriously saying this to the whole country, yes, i’m saying it to the whole country, i’ll give you my respect, do you know how many apartments, houses i have, if everything was legal, i believe you, why was a criminal case opened, because of the resonance, because alya turned there

through some connections, there, well, their lawyer was a neighbor, in the media, because she, i don’t doubt that she had a smart grandfather. handsome, famous, well, look at him lifestyle behave themselves, alexey aksyonov, lawyer, tatyana, today here, also in the studio, publicized the fifth question is the main one for everyone, here about the apartment, was this transaction challenged in court, did you file a lawsuit, because if you say that the money was transferred, and you say no, then this is an effective transaction, explain really, so, the transaction was for 15 million, three officially registered, as i understand it. stop, stop, stop, now there is confusion, because tatyana is very emotional, yes, she is a little facts not so sets out, so, the question sounded absolutely correctly here, and why did all these accusations sound more than a year later, yes , after shishkina moved out of the house, a good question, nothing prevented her from declaring her rights violated earlier, if such

were the case, wait, let me finish, she made statements many times, here is anatoly, here is a human rights activist, she wrote for a year. a year later - a report comes out on one of the news channels, in which alexander accuses - that is, shishkina of using slave labor, nikitina, nikitina, oh, nikitin, excuse me, yes, in the use of slave labor, this became , in fact, the reason for initiating a criminal case, it was initiated based on the fact, and nikitin was interrogated as a witness,

the ramenskoye prosecutor's office, in the order of supervision, checked these materials, canceled the decision to initiate a criminal case, because there is no basis. wait, all the evidence that we provided in the criminal case proves that there is neither a crime nor an event of a crime, everything that alexandra says and its representatives are slander, i beg you, stop, stop, you have already accused them of slavery several times here, so friends, let's make a short advertisement now, especially since the new lover, sasha, as you say, the alcoholic igor, is here today and is ready to appear. in our studio, and also where the body of alexandra's mother disappeared to after her death. all the details after the advertisement. eighteen-year-old ali noruzov went to the front as a volunteer in 19 became the commander of an assault company. in march of this year, performing combat mission, he was seriously wounded in

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what the hell? how is that possible? andrey, where? where is andrey? i'll start all over again, on saturday on rtr. once again, good afternoon, the granddaughter of the famous international journalist gennady shishkin, alexandra asks for help, she claims that she fell into slavery and lost her apartment due to the fault of her former friends, who without these three, where is this money, if the mother was bedridden, the whole deal, if you look at it from a lawyer's point of view, the whole deal was completed.

is not hiding, here he is, hello, good afternoon, igor zakarlyuka, igor, you drink like

any man sometimes happens, just here they accused you of singing, lying down and you were asked to vacate the house, was that so, no, so you also think that your new beloved alexandra was kept in slavery in the nikitins' house, like yes, and how did you understand that it was slavery? but she kind of walked, worked, it was later, we weren't there right away, okay, aunt, aunt sasha, here today, hello, do you think that your niece was in slavery, in the end yes, naturally, she was, when they forced her to work sick with a temperature, and under you was, under you too and under them in general throughout life under this podravstve, words, but then, then, when... now attempts have begun to persuade them to sell this apartment, yes, they wanted to sell this one, who persuaded, well, i

don’t know, tatyana, probably, they wanted to sell, absolutely right. about the apartment, they really wanted to sell this apartment, they wanted, well, because what are they going to live on, they promised, they really promised that they would give them 3 million, they said, okay, for them 3 million is such money, which a the remaining money, the remaining, that is, the talk was about, the talk was about 3 million, this is all from what i said, alya tells me, they took me, took me,

and as for the cancellation, indeed, again, the lawyers understand what we are talking about, they canceled the initiation of 127, this is about the withholding, and the prosecutor's office is already in front of the mishchansky district, that is, this case has already been initiated at the location of the apartment, that is 159, the fourth part, and the current one, where is

the money, this is a question of criminal, condition. that's when alexandra turned to me, she begins to tell me the whole this story, to me it looks a little bit like, well, to put it mildly, mysterious, yes, it seems like they were holding some apartments, prospekt mira, she really is a little autistic, she has a hard time conveying some of her thoughts , that's what's happening, i really, well, that is, 2023, the end of the year is 24, i think, well, how can this be in the modern world, and i ask sasha, i say, please give me your phone. to see, like, what kind of correspondence is there, that is, and, that means, such a conversation is happening in front of me, tatyana, so, she offers sasha, that is, she cremated, that is, they cremated her mother, they didn’t bury her, they cremated sasha’s mother, there were ashes left, and tatyana took the ashes, yeah, and this conversation takes place, that is, she says, sasha, here ’s your passport, give me your passport, and i’ll give you ashes, well

, such a mini-barter, yes, i’ll give you ashes, and you give me your passport. on what basis, i want to say the position of the law now, on what basis did someone give ashes to tatyana, well, we understand the degree of kinship, it’s not that simple, i’ll explain, most likely she was there, apparently, that old power of attorney from sasha, that's one, moreover, to the ashes, to everything, i think , moreover, somehow nikitina opened a bank card in sasha's name, no, she did it, and she did it herself, and valery, and why did valery make cards, because they needed cards. it was, so that well, why do you need cards if they sit in the village? what do viewers write and say about this story? let's give the floor to the call center. andrey, you won't believe it, this story is very loud, we are receiving a lot of details now, the details are very interesting, they concern each participant of our program today, so let's start in order. so, about tatyana, it was

said in the story, mom said that she has a jewelry business, but here are several at once.

make clothes there, i say, don't worry, now there are, how to say, organizations, everything, paid for everything, everything was done, she didn't take it, they wrote to her, my neighbor called for a simple question about the apartment, that is, mom is not buried yet, i don't know, i gave it to the same, i would be happy to help her, again, a second, a second, where is mom, sasha, not buried nobody, where is prag now, and where is prag at my home, i need to bury him, do you want me to help, if you are such a literate and smart rich woman, then we have it now. it happens that way,

sometimes those who help understand that they can get some apartment, if it is a legal transaction, there are no questions, they would have transferred the money to the account, that's it, the issue would be closed, you would have the fact of the transfer, no one would talk about you, it's my mistake. everything under my wing, but let's bury this prag in a purely christian way, because it should not be like this and if necessary i will help, and where is the funeral of grandfather, have you been to the grave of grandfather, i was not, of course, well then we need

to understand where they are buried, we will find out where the funeral is, in principle, organize a funeral next to grandfather, let's follow the development of this story, that's all for today, take care of yourself and your loved ones please, let's do it anyway. good, goodbye, hello, dear friends, ladies and gentlemen. yes, comrades, hello, your favorite program 60 minutes is live about the most important things. let's start with breaking news. the russian army has launched a massive attack according to military and'.