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authorities are not going to publish their military operation, which is hurting civilians more than hamas militants, and the risk of drawing other countries into this conflict is increasing, well we can say every day how the situation in this region will... develop, we will now talk with the deputy chairman of the association russian diplomats, professor of the faculty of world economy and world politics of the higher school of economics, russian ambassador to saudi arabia in 2000 and 2005, andrei baklanov, andrei glebovich, hello, thank you for coming, on friday evening, instead of drinking tea or what else, talking about serious things, nevertheless, a good time to discuss what is really happening in the middle east? you are a great specialist, as i already said, you were ambassador to saudi arabia for so long and generally worked on this region for a long time, so let’s so the question is straight to the point, who is really fighting with whom, because i’m tired of reading so much different information about these, these

same ones, these same ones, who is fighting with whom, well - if we take it in such a generalized way, that’s who could be behind all this , such a turbulent situation, then

one thing will spin, then another? we are getting closer to the situation when the sea will be divided, there is nothing there right now , ocean spaces, because we have to extract everything, because there is no such equipment, but it will appear soon, we need to systematically prepare for this, this is a very multifaceted thing, by the way, here is the strengthening of the position, pull-ups and so on, but the most important thing is of course

there is... with the operation of certain special services, what do you think this is all about, where did they come from, where did they get their weapons, they say a lot from ukraine, well, you know, as a rule, there are all kinds of radical organizations, the houthis and hamas, they have, this is all we can say for sure, they have such a double basis, one basis, well, these are real people who think exactly like this , radically think,

think. fellow tribesmen and so on, but along the way there is a very powerful external influence of special services that systematically day after day, well , some people come to work and work on this, work to infiltrate these organizations and so on, these are interesting things, look, these are the ones

radical organizations. the egyptians told me what the egyptians mean, it wasn’t now a little while ago, but life always grows out of what was before. a note was sent to great britain that, according to our information, there is hasson so-and-so, a criminal who killed there representatives of the ministry of internal affairs , hiding in london, asking for help, no one is touching him there, no one is touching him there, they don’t even respond to this note, that’s it , these are the things that happened, that is, when we ask the english, we ask them, what are you saying, they say, well, in order to fight these

people, it’s better to have them nearby, to study them. alarmist articles, as they are now commonly

called by armchair experts, and so on, because these things that we have in our hands, they allowed people who were are far from the media and their opinions were not expressed to the general public, now technology allows people, non -specialists, emotional people, to express all their positions and such a cocophony is created, everything is lost, tomorrow we will all die, the third world war, it is clear that the middle east is always

i was like this, i’ve been like this since childhood... then if something happens, then of course, it will most likely be europe, it will be affected, where the interests are, well, the vital interests of the largest countries, this is the first time, now the second, because well, yes , they are pushed there foreheads, it works out well , it passes, there are real contradictions, but still we see that conflicts are usually of medium intensity, that is , there is low intensity, medium intensity, now, for example, a conflict, aka is going on, but we see that they are not working to their fullest, which means something is stopping them, they are being stopped, of course, by the fear of such mutual destruction, that is, he is testing the possibilities, they are putting pressure on and so on,

they are using force, but to some extent... then stage, although of course it is difficult to control any conflict, because it has its own logic, grievances, blood, pakistan decided to resume diplomatic relations, it is known that there was a strike against terrorists on the territory of pakistan, pakistan in response struck terrorists who were hiding somewhere in the north of iran, somewhere in iran , and now they are restoring diplomatic relations after the conversation, but this is good news, good news, because this kind of action, when the first

time i saw iran hit iraqi territories formally, this is iraq, and were tough statements from iraq and... it seemed that some kind of escalation of the situation was beginning and then, as you say, a sharp brake, that is, is some kind of systemic protection working? well , in this case, it was a specific conflict, because the conflict was not so much between iran and pakistan, but rather it occurred as a result of the inconsistency in the positions of the parties regarding their joint hatred of the third party, these people who believe that

there are only two of them. we even help you with this, and what about the pakistanis? they also decided to help the iranians in exactly the same way, yes, god forbid, god forbid, i just gave this example, because i really wouldn’t want us to have good relations with the country, as you know, this is open information, a big agreement between our countries, friendship, cooperation

, with pakistan, we generally had normal relations, there are difficulties there now, well, we won’t go there now, after all , the middle east conflict, do you think, we are already running out of our opportunity to deal with it, of course , in 15 minutes we cannot discuss very global themes, so here in the details, but in general, what do you think , this operation was, it gave the israelis the opportunity, well, to promote the idea, which is

to distance it as far as possible, a growing palestinian element. this is not a new thing at all, they just periodically use some kind of conjuncture in order to continue solving this problem, that after all, there should be a certain national character of power that belongs to the jews, right. on israeli territory, and there should be nearby some kind of space, which, no matter what it is called, but not the palestinian state, should be some kind of space that will be very strongly controlled, primarily militarily, from the point of view of ensuring security, well, in other matters too, they through this operation right now, they will try to re-edit the environment

so as to strengthen - people like peres were, like others, they were also zionists, they also had this idea, but they somehow saw it differently, they were more flexible in approaching opportunities, coexist, with others, in particular with the palestinians, that is, there are editions of how israel should behave, which must necessarily be the first, yes, the editions were very different from each other, so there was a peace

process in the nineties and stagnation. positions, we have connections, opportunities with almost all parties - the conflict , by the way, it was very difficult for us to restore relations with israel, it would be very uncomfortable to quarrel with israel, because this is the camp of western states, we must remember everything about this time, this is the only western state that is in solidarity with us, the most important problem for us, the results of the second world war, the territorial results of the world war, the moral and ethical results of the second world

war. will be discussed with us many times, thank you very much again for coming to our studio, let me remind you that we talked with the deputy chairman of the association of russian diplomats, professor of the faculty of world economy and international affairs, higher school of economics, russian ambassador to saudi arabia, 2000 and 2005 by andrey baklanov, let's continue, in a few minutes, we'll discuss what we talked about earlier. i pay for techno, cyberweeks at the megamarket, buy a smart

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