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such conversations have, let's talk with dmitry trenin, dmitry vitalievich, hello, can you hear me, yes , i hear you perfectly, anastasia, good afternoon, and we are all in our last days, weeks have already gone by. saw numerous statements coming from munich, in particular from zelensky, who actively continued to do what he has been doing in recent years, to scare his european partners of russia, who simply will not today, tomorrow, but will definitely attack one of the alliance member countries if heroic ukraine does not stop. on the other hand, the secretary general of the same nato said that he did not see a direct threat from russia. from your point.

a lot, a lot was at stake in connection with the ukrainian so-called counter-offensive, which did not happen, now western countries are asking the question, first of all european countries, what will happen if russia still manages to achieve its targets in ukraine, and on the other side of the atlantic. president trump will come to power, and this is such a big, double fear of the european elites of 24 years. as for that message with which you started today’s conversation, well, naturally, for

such an organization as nato, after all, this is basically a nato meeting, people from all over the world are invited there, but uh. the munich meeting has traditionally been based on contacts between european countries and the united states of america, and it is traditional for them, of course, to consider various options for actualizing the so-called russian threat; now this threat is being tried on two levels. to return, the first is that if ukraine cannot resist the offensive of russia, then a critical situation will be created for nato, so it is necessary, we must help ukraine, the second plane is that

if donald trump comes to power in america, then he has already spoken about this countries that, say, do not invest enough in defense. conference in munich, it is primarily

intended for behind-the-scenes conversations, not for what is said from the podium, that we hear everything and can watch different speeches on youtube, and what happens at closed meetings, there, in addition to the main hall , there are also a lot of different rooms in the hotel, which are intended for double-sided and other, so to speak, closed meetings, where the main issues are discussed, where the main action takes place, the stage is more for the public. i absolutely agree with you, as a person who, as a reporter, of course, worked at the munich conference in particular, it has always been very interesting to observe how the same statements are heard from the stage, and then in the media, including those close, of course, to the leadership of these states or broadcasting their positions , very different messages appear with reference to sources, often differing.

words were voiced that ukraine needs to provide all possible support, because without ukraine, without this support, ukraine and russia will not be able to cope, the following are all of us sitting here in this room, in general, it is quite obvious that there is an understanding of the situation behind the scenes, nevertheless, from your point of view , this is an understanding, this is not the first time it has leaked into the media, it generally changes something, well , i think it changes, because the strategy that was in munich... was discussed a year ago , at the beginning of the twenty-third, it was

a strategy of inflicting a strategic defeat on russia, this strategy obviously did not work, it is now being discussed, well, it is of course not being developed in munich, but it is being discussed in munich, obviously, a strategy for wearing out russia, a strategy for turning the war into a protracted one protracted format. for this, you need to constantly supply ukraine with weapons , you don’t feel sorry for the ukrainians, you can fight russia, so to speak, with all the cash that zelensky provides, provides, but zelensky and his armed forces need to be constantly pumped up with weapons, ammunition, and so on, there are problems with this , as we understand, as we see, these are the problems nato is trying to solve, their main central goal is to cause damage. if today there is no defeat in the adjusted, let’s say,

strategy, weaken russia, seriously weaken russia, to inflict maximum damage on it during the conflict in ukraine, this is probably the main current strategy today, and behind this strategy, one can guess, or let’s say, another one is already visible today.

and what we are seeing in the united states, this is indeed, as you said, absolutely fair, this is an election struggle, a very tough, sometimes brutal election struggle. there is nothing more important in '24

than the election of the president of the united states for the american ruling class. but besides that... american politics is a problem , let's say, this is the front line of today's immigration to the united states, this is the problem of the american border, and here the republicans are very strongly opposed to the policies of biden, who actually condoned the appearance of several million illegal immigrants in

the united states, who the democratic party considers them as their own. light from excessive expectations, the american ruling class is quite deeply mired in the topic of american hegemony, relations with russia is not only a relationship with a very large country, this is a fundamental question, is there american hegemony,

does it exist, or has this hegemony reached its limits? it’s beginning...

this whole case is not very clear, an intrigue was created at the beginning, which is what you said , some terrible threat looms over the united states, the government knows about this threat, but does not want to worry the public, then the government, and at the beginning after that there were various leaks, at the beginning they talked about... that russia was withdrawing nuclear weapons into orbit, then they corrected it and said that no, it launches something that creates an electromagnetic pulse capable of disabling artificial earth satellites, which, therefore,

depend on the functioning of the functioning of the american armed forces as a whole, then the president says that that he gave an order to begin contacts with russia on this very important issue, in the end the president says that, in general , there is no threat, everything is fine, everything is under control, don’t worry, this is all within a couple days produces a very strange impression, the impression of, well, let’s say, behavior that is not strategic.

germany, from france, which have very nice beautiful names, but if you read them, then de facto they seem like an absolute dummy, maybe i’m wrong, then correct me, is this just another carrot that was waved in front of...

what in washington maybe they will say something concrete, it is now obvious that nothing concrete will be said in washington, the press says that neither the united states, nor germany, nor france want, so that ukraine receives some specific proposals regarding future membership in nato, so what we see is really dummies, these are... statements in which there are no specifics, which to some extent describe the current nature

of relations between the leading european members of nato and ukraine, or more precisely kiev, but that’s what it is, of course, there is no, no joy - in fact , there is no and probably cannot be in kiev about these agreements. thank you. thank you very much dmitry vitalievich, that you were in touch with us today, i can only add that there is a very curious mood now in the ukrainian media and on social networks, where they were very happy about the agreements that were first signed, before they were published, because they sounded beautiful and menacing, an amazing pause and silence after the text became accessible and it became clear that we were talking about the next phrases, phrases and actions not behind it. ukrainians will still have to continue to deal with the current events, of course support, but unfortunately, there is more support in words than in deeds

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