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valery valentinovich, hello, thank you for taking the time to talk about a very serious topic, this is, of course, the pricing of our oil on international markets, but it is clear that within the country this topic is separate, although we can also touch on it in our conversation, but in general , and we have been accustomed for decades to live according to an understandable scheme: our oil is exported in huge quantities, the price, the price was determined by foreign news agencies, parade ground, and so on we lived for a long time and are still living, although the reality has changed completely, sanctions were imposed on us, ceilings were imposed there and so on on our oil, and they are thinking about new ceilings, and we still determine the price, well , firstly in dollars, and -secondly, we
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determine prices on foreign sites, but what to do, how to make sure that these risks, and they exist, we will also talk about them now, but to remove them, what needs to be done in your opinion? good evening, well, you were right in saying that this system has had its effect for quite a long time over the course of decades, therefore, it is clear that you will not change it quickly enough, in principle, this task was realized even before the start of the svo, we have always tried to create our own international markers, but it is clear that these attempts , well, firstly, run into opposition from the west, and -secondly, they of course require the support of the countries of the countries of buyers now.
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domestic trade in energy resources is impossible, by the way, this process is now very actively underway, not only on the initiative of russia, we know that other countries also switch to payments for oil in a currency other than the dollar, let’s say these are the same rupi, these are yuan, these are derhams
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of the united arab emirates, that is, this process in which not only the whole of russia is interested, not only russia, but also practically the entire world outside the collective west. so i think this work is not fast, it won’t happen quickly, not in a year or two, we shouldn’t hope that we will have markers of our own education system, we are now only at the very beginning of this very long path, but... let us speak frankly, it is stalling, someone is resisting it or there are some objective factors here,
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you said that our buyers of our oil, they do not want us to switch to our own currency or to our own system, or some others, that’s how you see it, what’s the catch, well, the catch is that this system has been in place for decades, that is, there are clear pricing centers, these are the usa, great britain, plus china is trying. yes, there are literally a few percent, yes from total volume, this is a purely symbolic
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level, yes, symbolic, well, in fact physically you almost do not exist, but nevertheless it determines international quotes, and it even determines the parameters of russian taxation, it is clear that if we now offer some kind of variety, but it is unlikely that we there will be delighted by both the western countries and the countries of even those companies that trade our oil, it is clear that... it is always difficult to switch to some new rules, to some new conditions, then there are the world's largest traders, both in the west and in the east, they are not ready to accept these new rules of the game, so here, of course, even politics should not go ahead of the economy, that is , political agreements at the highest level of leading countries and consumer producers, possibly on the basis of opec plus , on the basis of brix, on the basis of the sco, on the basis of... all possible institutions that we have, we need to discuss these issues and discuss them
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non-pointwise, that is, don’t let us today introduce some sort of marker , create an agency, no, it should be here a unified system has been put in place that would allow us to immediately move to this independent structure, and not limit ourselves to exact decisions, that is, if we are exactly pushing something forward, then we will certainly encounter resistance that we will not be able to overcome, especially alone , well , that is... what is happening now, that is , our efforts so far, well, to be frank, are not very well understood by our consumers of our oil, they say, why change anything, here is london , there is new york, everything determines there, price and so on, although yes, it’s interesting, this is actually a mythical brand variety, it determines prices for huge volumes of real physical trading, it is clear that spot trading is not futures trading, which takes place on exchanges, but nevertheless everything and... players, those who are real traders, are guided by exchange prices, and there is a certain
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effect of manipulation on the part of the west, which determines the value in dollars, but it depends not only on supply demand, as is known, and on financial conditions like experts say, yes, this is the interest rate there, and so on, after all, that is , as i understand it, so far the very top, the political top cannot agree on what you said to move in this direction. lower quotes than the sort brand, well , let’s say, if russian oil itself were a marker, let’s say, if
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we had a marker there for another 10-15 years, then there would hardly be such a discount, but this must be recognized, that’s why now i think , everyone will not rush to help russia create marker varieties, but in at the moment, this situation suits us, but if we look at a longer term, then everyone understands, as i already said in principle, that it cannot persist. this is a system that is completely controlled by the west, with its stock exchanges, with its price indicators and so on and so forth, that is, it is in the interests of all countries, but in the moment everyone will not run to solve this problem, we really need pre...
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goods , which, as you know, is not only oil, it is other stock exchanges that are the basis of material production, so, is it possible to create it, this shadow structure, or not, or should it somehow be done openly, i don’t know, well, look, if we talk about the structure, then in fact the unified structure already exists, that is, we are now trading our oil , as if bypassing those rules of the game that were imposed on us by the west for a long time, that is , we have a fleet fleet, we did not actually bypass the price ceiling restrictions that were introduced, well, that is, now russia is showing how these rules can be which the west imposed, to destroy, that is give some new systems, without fear of sanctions in the logistics system, in the insurance system, in the pricing system, but the task here is not to create two
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different systems, but to create a global, fairer system, otherwise , so that there is a white, gray... there is a black and there are dozens of other systems, after all, the task of the entire free world is for a single fair system to work, so that the price is determined not in london, not in new york, so and so that it is determined there taking into account the interests of consumer countries, so that trading developed there and in the middle east, in china, in india, so that global quotes take into account real flows, but if we are talking about our country, i would still like to emphasize once again that... before we swing for some global things, let us still put things in order with pricing within the country, that is , at least taking into account oil prices in our pricing system, in our taxation system, because what can we talk about if we are still our the ministry of finance is actually focuses on price guidelines set by
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the west, and sometimes even comes up with these guidelines in order to - raise taxes, let us still - clearly define what we are going to within the country, let us start with the fact that we will guide - our tax system not on the price of the brand, on the price of the dubai variety, let’s say, and establish discounts that are now in the legislation, in relation not to the brand variety, but to this particular variety, which is precisely present in those markets that are for us are targeted, that is, in the indian markets, in the chinese markets, it is not even supplied as an option.
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the price is a brand and a certain discount is given from it, which also decreases over time according to the legislation, that is, there were two parallel schemes, while taxation is carried out according to the scheme that provides the largest budget revenues, that is, the largest seizure of companies, well, okay, let’s say, okay, so be it, but it still remained strange that even in the current conditions we are guided by argus quotes, here it was not the ministry of finance that could not stand it , but... the quotes russian oil in the ports of europe, if russian oil is not
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supplied there, and it is prohibited for delivery there, yes, let’s start with this, yes, that is, this turns out to be complete absurdity, and argus refused this, and that is, argus helps us restore order myself at home, i'm right i understand, we still have a second one, and we still have a second scheme with this discount, well, it’s clear that it’s for the ministry of finance. less profitable than argus quotes, because the prices there are lower, what the ministry of finance is doing, it is proposing a new scheme, that is , it’s still a centaur, that is, quotes in russian ports are taken, private equity quotes, and some kind of mythical one is added to them price, oil transportation, european ports, that is, the price of that transportation, which, in principle, does not exist in nature, and this happens by shadow fleet, where in general the pricing is unclear, i understand correctly, no, it is available here. they probably charge some kind of international prices, yes, well , transportation that exists on the market, no, that’s the point, they calculate the price of transportation to the ports of europe, that is, transportation, which is also some kind of nonsense, but a priori , well, it’s true
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that it doesn’t say the word sea transportation, so it might say, well , you can pump it through pipes, but in principle it’s possible, but firstly it’s not there, and secondly, even if we pump oil to the ports, then it does not matter would be fractions of a percent of all russian exports, but at the same time this scheme is used for any deliveries, that is, it ships. oil, for example, to china, to india, but they calculate the price for you, and for some reason they add transportation costs in europe, well, it was logical to increase transportation costs in the very sense of taxes, why increase, but still the ministry of finance is guided by this precisely according to this mythical scheme, that is, in fact, argus left, but we, argus ourselves, are alive for argush, more alive than all the living in essence, and valery valentinovich, how to do something, well, literally two words. we don’t have much time, i understand, this is probably a separate big topic, but in general, that is , there is a scheme, how to do it correctly so that the ministry of finance is satisfied, because the ministry of finance does not
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work for itself, it works for the budget, and oil companies, respectively, those who supply oil to world markets, there is some kind of balance that would suit everyone, it exists in nature in general, or someone will always be dissatisfied, but well, in principle, the option that i have already mentioned needs to be oriented. taxation, well, and a small remark about how the ministry of finance works, based on this discount it is already necessary to build , yes, it works, but what is called, it looks for money not where it is, but under the streetlight, well as in the joke, yes, that is, the easiest way is to withdraw money from a limited number of companies that are transparent. it’s clear how they work, why take money from other industries where they clearly exist; we have money in the banking sector, telecoms, mining industry, fertilizer production, chemical industry, that is
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, there is a whole set of industries where the level of taxation is much lower than the oil industry, in the oil industry the taxation level is 75% of revenue, in the banking sector 27, in mining there and other industries where - something in the region of 50-60%, that is , if... he worked, he would really find sources of filling the budget, and would not try to shift all this burden to one oil industry, which is where it is now in rather difficult investment conditions, there is no extra money in this industry now, if we want to sell exports and somehow develop them, then we still need to think not about increasing taxes, but about some kind of reduction or even would stabilization? yes, valeriytinovich, an interesting topic, of course, it’s a big one, since you touched on the taxation in general of our companies that supply... for export, basically what you’re talking about, well, except for the banking sector, probably yes, although also a lot in the state duma says that bankers earn too much money and so on, but
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this is a separate topic, we will not offend bankers, we talked about pricing our oil, and the topic is really difficult, everyone wants to do the best, the main thing so that it doesn’t work out as always, thank you very much, all the best, all the best, goodbye, well, debts on credit cards are hanging, interest is dripping, you need halva, take out credit cards, transfer the debts to halva, divide by 20.
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