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regions of the planet, including europe, and these specific innovations are actively welcomed by the united nations. what is cooked from insects and in the name of what is the progressive west? suddenly decided to turn own population in entomophages in our review. a new restaurant in london opened only this year, small but cozy. they serve salads, snacks, hummus, and traditional british dishes, although there is some hesitation in the eyes of visitors. absolutely everything, from intoxicating drinks to butter and cheese, has a special ingredient - insect protein. it doesn't feel like you're eating crickets. it's like a cross between mushrooms and meat, somewhere in the middle, pleasant. and here we are, eating crickets as snacks, amazing. insects quickly are spreading across the plates of europeans, themed restaurants and cafes are opening, new products are freely distributed on marketplaces. in britain, according to surveys,
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already a quarter of the population is not averse to switching from meat to larvae and beetles. in the european union , half of them, however, here we are talking only about young people, no older than thirty. insects are explained to people as the key to the survival of the planet. according to supporters. traditional protein , classical livestock farming puts too much strain on the earth’s ecosystem and is one of the main drivers global warming, it would be nice to cancel it, everything connected with livestock farming today , their carbon dioxide emissions are 0.1% of the total volume, as physicists say, as statisticians say, this is much less than a statistical measurement error , these... talks about carbon dioxide, the guy effect, that they need a vegetarian diet, and don’t need meat, these are all stories for, well, the masses of the population, but not for the leaders of these countries, they themselves eat meat, travel on gasoline cars and not even them
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switched off for days on end. the greens have influential supporters, including the world economic forum and the united nations. for more than 10 years, the un has been actively promoting insect food, but it serves everything. under a different sauce, the world's population is growing, but hunger has still not been overcome; according to the latest estimates, more than 300 million people are starving in the world; to feed them , food that is cheap to produce is needed, and this is precisely about insects, in the present moment of world need, or rather deficiency of protein, animal origin, is somewhere more than 10 million tons, by 2050 there will be a shortage of protein.
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are insects beneficial or at least not harmful? does russia, following the example of the west, plan to switch to very untraditional food? what useful and harmful substances are in beetles and larvae? this is a question of science, i am pavel toropov, associate professor of the faculty of geography of the lomanosov moscow state university, our guest is nadezhda tyshko, head of the laboratory for assessing safety, biotechnologies and new food sources at the federal research center nutrition and biotechnology, doctor of medical sciences, nadezhda, good afternoon, hello, you know, that’s all that comes from the un, to be honest, immunity has been developing, at least for the last 20-30 years, if eon is anything promotes, then this... for russia, well, at least not very good, as a rule, after all, the discussion around
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these, around food from insects, is something akin to a war between the pointed and the blunt, like in jenathan swift , from which edge there are ostupovs or from the island, then is there some kind of disembodied discussion, or is there really something to talk about here, here is your opinion, are you for or against? there is something to talk about here, all countries of the asia-pacific region, africa, insects for food, you need to understand that insects are a resource, this resource is a source of complete protein, now food production technology is already at the stage that it may already have a history of safe use extract the necessary ingredients use them, they are safe for use for food, so why not, it’s clear, well, here you know,
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it’s really the basis of the diet in a number of countries, but if we talk about the temperate climate zone, especially the subarctic, here is the russian federation itself, northern europe, well, here insects, firstly, the species composition is significantly smaller, and secondly, probably, the amount of protein in them is less, that is, in russia. why is this, if we have insects, and of course there are a lot of them, but somehow they are not the same as in south-east asia, or it’s still possible too, well, there’s probably no need to completely abandon modern trends, we now prefer to study all this and consider how we can apply them now for ourselves with maximum benefit, so in principle, if we really consider insects as raw materials for the food industry, then of course we won’t be talking about...
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now with the knowledge of already four years of studying this object, we understand that
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most likely we will not consider insects in their entirety for use in food, most likely the approach will be the same as for soybeans, that is, we will separate them, separate the protein separately, separate the chitin separately, separate the fat, in general, this product has quite a high potential, because it really has it complete protein. which we get from meat by eating, we to what extent will this replace, for example, proteins, we conducted a study of the biological value of protein, this is what was concerned in our research, it was the protein of the black soldier fly,
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and we conducted a study on the biological experiment on rats, that is, we compared it with the protein goziin, which is a protein. all of them are comparable to the protein of a chicken egg , compare the amino acid score here with the protein of beef, yes, that is, it is a complete protein, but not everything you look at actually, so in appearance it would seem that the egg should be much more nutritious, but apparently i understand here well, there is an opinion among... opponents, that means, this whole story, there is an opinion that it is harmful, that it can be toxic, either chitin, or some other substance, well that is why we are now conducting all these full-scale studies, now we are considering the possibility of using this, whether it cannot be used, in what form it can be used, it is clear that this should immediately say that insects
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belong to a new type of food product, this is according to our legislation, that is , this...
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it needs to be approached precisely from the point of view of high technology, that is , it will really need to be disassembled into parts, that is, just taken, dried, grind somewhere knead eat, this option most likely will not work, and this doesn’t even need to be considered, so it is necessary to simply develop a technology for isolating protein, separating the chitin fat there, that is, forming all this, well, this is quite a long time process, hope, well, in southeast asia people...
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there is no such thing in our culture as to eat whole insects, of course, we probably won’t be able to overcome ourselves, maybe it’s not necessary, in terms of that, to obtain the valuable ingredients that are needed, and this it’s still enough, but if you compare environmental and economic feasibility, for example, getting a kilogram of protein from insects and a kilogram of beef, then in general insects win here in terms of the fact that... it’s simpler, cheaper, faster, but - again, this is an erroneous message that i often hear now ; in general, i absolutely disagree with it, and this is that someone wants to replace meat with insects, no, there is no talk about this here at all, well, so radical -the words, no, here we are talking about expanding
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resource base of the food industry, that is, give us more tools. fear that the psychological barrier that most people probably have will be difficult to overcome, people will not, i know that this means that there is flour there or isolated from some kind. they won’t buy worms, beetles, and so on, they won’t eat them, or is it all something they get used to? i think it’s getting used to, on the contrary, there are people who
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like to try something new and look for the opposite, so it depends on specific people, well, they’ll get used to it in a word, yes, it’s clear, let’s return to the issue of safety once again, this is still important, allergic reactions, well, in general... there are many things a person can be allergic to, in particular to these things, to this , what is isolated from insects, this may be, and there may have already been some assessments, studies, percentages, yes, we carried out, well, so far only at the beginning of our journey, but we carried out such a study, and we looked, well in general, insects are parasitic organisms; therefore, their closest relatives are crabs and crayfish. in my own way protein composition, precisely in terms of proteome, these are the so-called proteins of the whole organism, and in terms of their proteomic profile, insects
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are very close to arthropods, well, to these , respectively, crabs and crayfish, and a person who has, say, an allergy to crustaceans, most likely, with a high degree of probability, will have the same allergic reaction to insects, to insect protein, crayfish - this is generally wonderful, these are already crayfish. almost everyone loves crayfish, so, well, they love to love, but in terms of, if you asked a direct question about allergies, then of course, well, we are still just studying this here, because the next stage is and we are now developing a technology for isolating protein, we will determine the next stage, because there are a number of proteins that are precisely responsible for allergy to chelpodpods, and we will conduct research on the presence of these proteins right here in... it is very high that they will not be there, that is, because they
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may be hydrolyzed, denatured, and accordingly this is already well, that would also be a plus, because well , right now, really, in terms of eliminating allergens from food, this is also one of the ways, here’s how to prevent the development of allergies, i understand correctly that we wouldn’t need to... buy insects , which means, uh, in order to single out something from them, everything has enough of its own, and here in this regard , everything is quite economically feasible, and moreover, as far as i understand, now the ministry, the ministry of agriculture, has added just insects, and in - well, i won’t say in the diet, but as it were, well in a list of agricultural products, well, yes, but this is in terms of use for food, for now it’s just these few years. traditionally classic 10 years, if there is some serious scientific, generally some kind of serious initiative, serious development - this is the law of 10 years, approximately in science, approximately, yes, we are in the same
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trend as the old world, we are correlated with them, but they are probably introducing it more actively and are introducing it, we are in our trend, we are looking at how useful it will be for us to use necessary, we still have quite high requirements for food safety. with the old with the new world, to what extent do we eat properly, and can these developments associated with the release of useful substances, and proteins, including
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from insects, somehow improve our diet, the correct, balanced diet of russians, of course there are certain distortions, that is, excess consumption of fats, excess consumption of carbohydrates, especially munodisaccharides, well, in general, it is clear that about 60% of the adult population already have. protein in the diet, so it’s normal here, well, of course, in order to completely create a grammatical diet for yourself , you need to have certain knowledge, because now everything is really available, there ’s a lot of everything, everything is delicious, and accordingly you need to limit yourself in some way, but i certainly didn’t expect that our statistics are so bad with... with diet and what about obesity and everything else, well, no, well, it exists, in general we see it on the streets, so if statistically we take just large numbers, then in
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general the statistics show that it exists. energy, that is, if it was necessary before plow a field and then bake bread there, yes, now we basically drop into a bakery and just buy, buy, eat, it’s quite less, much less energy consumption, and, accordingly, that’s all, that is, now somewhere for a man about 2,500
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kilocalories. a woman needs two days , 1,800 two, and accordingly the diet should be for this, uh, this number of calories. it’s clear, it’s clear, yes, that’s it, that’s it, well, this is why there is a deficiency of vitamins and macro-micro elements, because if before there were 5,000 kilocalories contained everything, but now if we reduce the diet, then, accordingly , our intake of vitamins is inevitably reduced with that volume of food, and... a very large amount of food has now already been refined, processed, accordingly , vitamins also need to be taken additionally, well, that is it turns out that in general there is no particular need for proteins, but everything is fine with them, well, again, this is an expansion of the resource base industrially, that is, they will find something to use for, but just to have more tools, well understandable, understandable, yes, this is certainly useful, well, another question arose for me, where can i get away from the green
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environmental agenda? i know well that agriculture is considered, well, one of the most powerful sources of greenhouse gases, although in reality this, to be honest, this power is slightly exaggerated, of course, there is a lot of politics here, and because of this it is believed that the transition to insects again, it is more environmentally friendly, here in your... research this green component does not sound, well, it really sounds like one of arguments that, yes, insects produce less, they can be more conveniently located in a smaller area, that is, if you have a conventional barn, well, imagine the areas of land that should be occupied by them, then you can simply place some boxes vertically, that is, they can be kept in boxes like this, of course, there is less land, less water, less everything, that is, less
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costs and, accordingly. but given the volume of expenses, in general, a fairly large amount is obtained, well, of the product that we ultimately need, that is, according to profitability, yes this is very somehow, well, it really turns out to be more economical, let’s look at the screen, here it is compared, that means a piece of ordinary meat, well, that’s right , yes, it compares how much protein is contained in a cricket, that is, it turns out that this is approximately what it is, yes , after all, humanity may also be not quite on the right path, but here we are. there are quacks in order to eat live meat , it seems, and it’s true, on the other hand, we again know that for thousands of years people, well, primarily in southeast asia, have been eating insects, but it seems like a person can and should, maybe it’s better for him to eat meat, since he’s been given fangs, so or so you can’t argue, yes no, a person can eat a lot of things, that is, we ’re not just meat eaters, we’re omnivores and
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accordingly . here, probably, it’s not, probably, it’s not worth it, yes, it’s wrong, well, what to eat or not to eat, this question is in hamlet style, the answer to which can only be given by the end consumer, what will be on the tables of russians will always be it's up to the russians to decide, as long as there's no reason to worry about there is no national cuisine; if insects are truly the food of the future, then not the nearest one and not ours. doctor of medical sciences, nadezhda tyshko, answered scientific questions today. nadezhda, thank you very much. thank you, thank you very much.

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