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you will die, and i’m like us, he says, who will protect you if not me. many donetsk residents went to the front almost immediately after graduating from school, went to serve as a volunteer in a roundabout way, learned what it was like to actually be in war, on the front line, the youngest, also a brother, 17 years old, seryosha, also wants to do the same, i understood the fact that i can’t sit anymore, there is something to learn from the young guys.
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armed conflicts have always been and will be the engines of economic scientific development, no matter how sad it may sound, time is racing forward, technologies inevitably change, along with them the tactics of combat operations, in the first world war...
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artillery was not the decisive force in the second world tank, towards the end of the 20th century, aviation came to the fore, well, now the emphasis is clearly shifting towards robotics, the idea itself is not new and probably belongs to nikola tesla. at the very end of the 19th century, he invented and patented a radio-controlled boat, a prototype of a marine drone. in 1910, american engineer charles catering made essentially a prototype of a drone. kamikaze. during the second world war , ground combat robots were narrower. openly declared themselves on the battlefield. we are talking about german wedges and radio-controlled gleave mines. they were used quite en masse during the kurdish battle, but did not bring success to the wehrmacht. the unfortunate relationship between cost, reliability and efficiency, typical of western technology, had an effect. during the cold war, the development of ground-based drones reached a new level; now we can say with confidence that robotics is becoming god of war, as in his time.
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on the one hand, yes, a person constantly moves on the ground, for him this is the most familiar environment, but a robot or remote- controlled car is a machine that requires every second its adjustment in space, if on water or in the air we can afford a slight change in position an object that will not lead to any tragic consequences, it will not crash anywhere, it will not drive into a hole, it... will not fall into some obstacle that is insurmountable for itself, then on the ground, this is accordingly, especially during military conflicts, these are trenches, trenches, anti-tank, dragon teeth, these are trees, this is equipment that is both damaged and operating on the battlefield, and therefore a ground robot is much more complex in terms of control orientation. an object in motion than
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an airborne or seaborne one, and maneuverability, of course, is completely different, from here, it’s understandable, yes, maneuverability is probably still a little less than that of an airborne one. everyone has seen how copters fly, copters are a very highly maneuverable target, a target for us, for for some, this is an object, very highly maneuverable, and it can change its trajectory in the shortest possible time, radically, it can stop, on the ground there are its own difficulties, i would not say that creating a ground-based robot is more difficult or easier than an airborne one, there are some subtleties. everywhere, but here are the subtleties of ground movement in a huge number of objects that are an obstacle to the movement of a machine, well , of course, in the air there will be turbulence and all sorts of unevenness, what he sees in different areas of the electromagnetic spectrum in different ways, but here there will be precisely these
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obstacles, if i understand correctly, in the air they can be neglected, and even more so they can be neglected to a significant extent, so it’s clear, sergei alexandrovich, that’s where the bigger lies pitfalls in... in the mechanical part of microelectronics or in the software? there are certainly problems everywhere, but the hardest part, probably, today is certainly the software, and the software, of course, is the development of algorithms, algorithms for avoiding obstacles, algorithms that allow you to level out in the process of controlling a remotely controlled machine allow you to level out channel delays, they are... one way or another everyone wants the maximum range, the delay of the radio channel directly in controlling the robot, it takes place, and if in the air we can afford to deviate from the course there at 5-10 m, without noticing a complete change in trajectory, then on earth we cannot
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afford this, a tree or pillar is the same insurmountable obstacle for a moving machine that needs to be on time go around and... the channel delay often does not allow us to make a car that in real time could be controlled in the same way as a car controlled by a person on board, well, the algorithms are very complex, because i once heard from doctors, that in order to try to simulate the movement of a human hand in full, it requires supercomputer... in general, some kind of complex calculations, it is clear that this is probably not necessary for a ground combat robot, but still there should be a rich variety of movements quite large, that is, these are some very computational, apparently complex things. depending on what we want from a robot, what we can
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hear from doctors is biomorphic things, which in the vast majority of cases are not required for use on the battlefield, that is... the main tasks for use on the battlefield are providing delivery of ammunition provisions to the firing position without the risk of injury or death of military personnel. this is the movement of reconnaissance or fire weapons to the point of fire. this is the evacuation of the wounded in order not to take risks. military personnel, pulling out a wounded man from the battlefield. of course, the main tasks are this, and this does not require any kind of complex mechatronic systems that allow them to imitate a human hand, gait, and so
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on. well, it’s clear, yes, here, after all, this is not, after all, not a soldier in this, in the full sense of the word, but such a service person, such a technical support staff. of course, but how about them, i also had a question along the way, they are probably how to disguise them, they are very easy, probably discover, that is, we still need to come up with some so that it is not visible, again, all the echoes, yes, radio echoes in the infrared range, this is a story according to which many have probably already broken, not a single spear in science, uh, trying to determine what is more important here, but in our understanding, in the understanding of the institute, in my personal understanding, it is much more effective to create a cheap remote-controlled mechanism that can be sacrificed,
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which is not a pity, well, if only the experience of the second world war showed that it was not wounded, that technological superiority. this is not always superiority on the battlefield. the reproducibility of military equipment and its low cost, the ability to produce in huge quantities, this is always the case. a clear advantage, and today we are trying to follow the path of not creating super complex systems with enormous computing power on board, in order to analyze space, in order to choose a path of movement depending on the environment, it is much simpler and more effective to create cheap platforms like. .. the rule of universal, easily scalable, for in order for their number to meet all
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the needs of the front, i completely agree with you, this is the same story in general in science, in geophysics, in meteorology, it’s better to have a lot, even if it’s maybe a little worse, but a lot than what - something expensive, and it’s not a fact that these expensive systems will be a head or two heads better, that is, again, this is also an important point, yes, here is sergei alesandrovich, then the question is, this is how you feel about the concept, here this network-centric war, yes, a new war of the future, when all these, well, this is a bit of a lich, again, i’m far from military affairs, but for me it looks like computer toys, to be honest, but nevertheless, as i understand it, the pentagon has already seriously developed this concept, that this is the war of the future this is how it is, apparently this is also actively going on here, this is how you feel about it , how realistic and modern is it? the development of science and technology certainly makes it possible to carry out combat operations
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of this kind. the issue primarily concerns communication channels. in order to ensure constant, continuous, real -time exchange between all end users, regardless of whether it is a robotic system or a person. we need very broadband and reliable, closed communication channels, well, yes, because otherwise it looks a little like an ear of clay with feet of clay, here it stands, well, now i might say this a little primitively, gnaw through a wire somewhere and entire military formations will stand rooted to the spot and again it turns out that the technology there is 20-30 years old, yes... old, simple ones, they will be much more effective, that is, here this
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is all this, this is what this approach is going for, this is exactly what it is going for, it is promising, it is necessary, important, but to be able to fight without modern information exchange is a separate art, yeah, without which there will be no wars of the 21st or even 22nd centuries... perhaps, it’s understandable, wow, this is very important, interesting, sergei alexandrovich, well, let’s return to domestic developments, but as far as we can tell about it, i understand perfectly well, according to my understanding you can’t say anything about it at all, but here’s what you can, yes, here’s what we have, what stage it’s all at now and what developments there are, well, i wouldn’t talk now about all the developments of robotic ground systems -
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with the help of this the complex can be turned into a remotely controlled object, it does not lose its characteristics, we have checked this many times, the speed characteristics, cross-country characteristics, they remain at the level of the base chassis, which was used during this robotization process, the additional set of equipment does not interfere with the ability of the crew to control this vehicle. the crew, when leaving the vehicle, when there is a high risk of hitting the vehicle, when entering
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the direct line of combat contact, the crew switches the vehicle to remote mode, leaves with the control panels to a relatively safe place, and from there the vehicle continues to carry out its combat missions, it can either move with with the same dynamics as in crew mode on the battlefield, she can select the type. weapons can fire targets, including from closed positions, well , now let's take a short break and see what other ground systems our fighters already have in the northwestern military district zone, as part of a short... reference, the future is already here, the footage shows the first mass use in history combat robotic platforms in real combat, courier robots with ags-17 grenade launchers capable of firing 400 shells per minute, carried out an assault operation in the northern military district zone, ended up in the world media, died heroes, but completed the task. the village was liberated. oh, if only there were such stormtroopers there was a larger army, the military complains. if we
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are talking about the line of military contact, then there is already a whole one here. the vector and a number of robotic systems are needed by our soldiers, it is essentially being implemented, but not with the, say, speed that our military personnel would like. combat platforms, that is , robots carrying weapons to defeat weapons, are not yet widely represented in the zone of special military operations. in addition to couriers, our fighters have, for example, br-2 complexes armed with machine guns. it is also known that markers were field tested, their equipped with small arms and missile weapons and used.
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operations help sappers in houses or industrial zones; small scarabs and scorpions are looking for explosives, and large-scale uran and stalker machines are engaged in more large-scale demining, but here it must be clarified that this is rather an exception to the rule, in this case the need for robotization has been around for a long time, obviously, and these robots have been developed for many years. in order to make some decision that will be useful, which will be applied in, so to speak, conditions sbo, it is necessary, but to go through a whole series of stages, that is, to prepare a technical specification, to coordinate this technical specification, many, many other procedures, until you go through all this, it takes years, well, of course, a simplified procedure is necessary, this time, in fact, it is necessary, so that certain tactical and technical requirements are formed, what we would like to receive, and then simply test it and implement it all and give the opportunity, maybe
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just to small enterprises, small companies, to realize themselves and... solve everything, you were very pleased with the fact that what - the programming problem, it seems to be standing, it turns out that well, with programmers, in my opinion, now in the country they teach this quite well, traditionally russia is like one of the programming powers, so if we talk about the mechanical component, this is the feeling, that it’s somehow sad with engineers right now, it’s far from the soviet union, or maybe you don’t feel this
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shortage, in general it’s like with personnel, they probably feel a personnel shortage today... all enterprises of the industrial complex, after all , the volume of state defense orders has grown quite seriously, and enterprises certainly need any hands, from mechanics, this is assembly, this is machining of materials, ending with programmers, engineers, designers, circuit designers, electronics engineers, but we are. in an enterprise that is almost 70 years old, yeah, we have a fairly large school, our forefathers laid a very serious foundation, the institute is not only today’s team, the institute is all the years that we had before, and the multi-directional nature of our institute, where there is a separate direction of hydraulics, there is
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there is a separate direction for electric and hydraulic drives, there is a separate direction for navigation, there is a control direction for artillery fire control. the symbiosis of all these areas allowed us 10 years ago to take up the development of robotic systems. now this has been highlighted as a separate area. and the scientific school of the institute allows us to make any, even almost impossible, task feasible, achievable in the shortest possible time. and with the requirements that are necessary for the ministry of defense, it’s great, i’m amazed how it’s so it turned out that this monstrous flywheel of the nineties, it somehow apparently went through you. not so much or it went through anyway, yes, that is, this is some kind of patriotism of the employees, that’s how it happened that it was possible to save, because many research
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institutes, i think in the military-industrial complex there are also many enterprises and research institutes completely collapsed, but you somehow managed, as i understand it, to keep it afloat, the leaders who ran the institute in the nineties, were able to save. the most valuable thing we have is the team, of course, there were repairs to buildings, there were problems with modernizing equipment, but we were able to maintain the team during that period, of course, our task today is to develop it, increase it, we have a huge number of young, already , probably professionals who take on... tasks and, as they say, we were born to make a fairy tale. well, this is really very optimistic and pleasant, it’s not often that we now hear on air
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or on the internet, read something good and optimistic, this is very nice, these are optimistic words and god grant that in other sectors of the military-industrial complex, and in the economy in general, we have more of this, this is great, that’s the question, well, maybe we’ll come back to... to again but to modern war, that is, if i understand correctly, you don’t need to think that humanity will ever really come to the point of fighting only with robots, so that on the line of combat contact, on the front line, humanly, here people, there were no soldiers, living people, if there were armed men on both sides conflict, there will be a huge number of exclusively work-technical complexes, reconnaissance, fire, launch, this will lead to the fact that these remotely controlled platforms themselves will cease to be a priority target, yeah, just a priority
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target will go a little deeper into the rear, to the control points of these mechanisms, and people will have to fight to destroy control points, because all this equipment is effective only as long as control channels exist. well, yes, what you were talking about, and i still remember this an incident that happened almost exactly a year ago in the usa, there the pentagon, pentagon officers were testing some kind of, in my opinion, aerial drone, and it was supposed to destroy the air defense system, as it was awarded for this, conditionally, received points, in some that moment, it means that he was ordered, accordingly , was programmed not to destroy the target, well then there are no points, he made the decision to destroy.
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you will think three times whether it is worth giving the machine the opportunity to make independent decisions, while the machine is remote- controlled, it does exactly what it needs is given in the form of a task by the operator, as soon as the machine makes a decision on its own, it is impossible for everyone, every combat unit to be provided with a completely working system by someone else, and accordingly for this machine... the enemy at the current moment can be anyone, anyone, yes, therefore in all our systems , the decision to open fire is made only by
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the operator, it’s clear, yes, this, this is of course, that is, a reasonable combination, so to speak, of the old and the new, this is what’s what, and sergei aleksandrovich, tell me, and you have these ones the systems that you are developing, are they somehow planned for the civilian sphere, what will happen or is that something for now? software and hardware complex, we installed it on a fire extinguishing vehicle, but in the process of developing ours we installed it on a simple wheeled truck, and not only these developments, there are already ready-made solutions that allow us to provide new... to give new functions to existing
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equipment, which is important , there is no need to purchase a new combine harvester or a new vehicle specifically designed to provide remote control. it’s clear, yes, in fact, this is again such a soviet-russian tradition, when the military-industrial complex comes up with something powerful and does it, and then everything works great in industry, they use it, everything turns out very effectively, what about robots on the battlefield? waiting for the military and... it’s clear why, the more automated systems, the fewer wounded soldiers, however, for the civilian sector , the development of work technology would be a great help; technologies tested in war, as a rule, very quickly find application in peaceful life, to questions of science sergey kurdubanov, chief designer of the research institute of signal, answered today. sergey alexandrovich, thank you very much, well, it was very interesting and informative. thank you, you are welcome.
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