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us president theodore roosevelt, speaking before the senate on april 14, 1906, called, one might even call it, a large group of journalists and writers, muckrakers. according to the president, these people did not see anything good around them, they only dug into various types of dirt of american society, that is, into problems and vices, everything carefully and scrupulously.
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the objects, of course, were outraged, as was president roosevelt, but now this is the pride of american democracy. julian asanche, the most famous muckraker of the 21st century, has come out to freedom after almost 15 years of persecution in prison. julian assange is 53 years old, he spent a third of his adult life in one way or another in prison: first for 7 years hiding with a cat in the ecuadorian embassy in britain, then for another five. in a maximum security prison in a 2x3 m cell. the founder of wikileaks started out being interested in programming, but very quickly became what is called a hacker. hacked websites and published them. information not intended
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for the general public, often out of a sense of justice, for example, helping the police identify criminals who stored child pornography on computers. asanju came to worldwide fame in 2006 in connection with the launch of the wikileaks website, made according to the wikipedia principle. anyone could leak dirt on anyone through it. the resource was reliably protected; once published, it could not be deleted.
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usa, including the iraqi dossier on torture in guantanamo bay prison. one of the videos clearly showed how helicopters in the sky over baghdad fired at a group of civilians. 18 people were killed, including journalists. the white house initially blamed the insurrectionists, but the video set the record straight. the next scandal was caused by the publication of the so-called diplomatic dossier. 250 thousand telegrams from american embassies and... the state department on a variety of topics, this was the largest leak of confidential documents in history. in personal correspondence, american diplomats described world leaders without mincing words. for example, they called vladimir putin an alpha male. berlusconi is a weak and ineffective leader who does not have time to sleep off after partying. nicolas sarkasy naked king, and iranian president ahmedi nijad was compared to hitler. nanal time
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then named asandzh the man of the year. shortly after the publication of the afghan dossier, two swedish women accused asandzh of sexual harassment. a court in stockholm ordered his detention. fearing extradition to the united states, asansh took refuge in the same ecuadorian embassy in london. when, after 7 years, he was expelled from there, according to some sources , for collecting incriminating evidence on the president of ecuador, the london police placed him there. extradition to the united states, but the prospect of a loud the process did not cause enthusiasm there, it would become another reason for... in tyume it is unclear
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for what reason, the choice is bright, but meaningless, therefore the recognition of one charge in exchange for already served time is reasonable. a plea bargain is an interesting phenomenon primarily in american justice. it’s a bit strange for those accustomed to other legal cultures. the question is, where is the justice? the volume of criminal offenses and, accordingly, their consideration in courts is so large. that we consider all cases, as they say, in the usual manner, that is, as provided for by the constitution, well, for example, there with the participation of a jury, technically it’s just very difficult, that is, they simply won’t have time to consider them, so the point here is rather about saving resources,
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in any case, this is the logic of this process, it should be said that in fact , approximately 90 and even more percent of criminal cases are considered precisely in... in the order of this, which is called barganing, that is, transactions. this is the standard procedure for trials with a jury or, for example, with one professional judge, oddly enough, has long ceased to be standard; this is actually a minority of cases. a deal with the investigation does not imply that the investigation, yes, that is, on the prosecution side, is absolutely free in what it proposes as punishment; it does not matter, that is, this prosecution side, is guided by the restrictions provided for in force. legislation, from the point of view of, well, what kind of punishments can be assigned for what crimes, we’re just talking about the fact that if there is a certain, what it’s called a penalty fork, yes, that is , a minimum and a maximum, then the task of this, this deal, and its benefit for
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the accused is that we are not talking about maximums, we are talking about minimums, he will assign the minimum possible, or will he choose only one of the points, including the states, because many believe that this is a violation of what the constitution protects, because, by and
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large, a person renounces his constitutional rights, his constitutional right, including so that his case is considered by a jury, situations, for example with... sasanzhim , there is no need to doubt that his defense attorney is knocking out for him, as they say, the best option for resolving the issue, another thing is that this creates new precedents, because after all, asandzha is accused under an article related to espionage, and the very fact that his case was not tried there with a jury, for example, but... actually admitted his guilt in this, this creates a not very pleasant precedent, because in fact it turned out that what before was considered normal journalistic practice, is now a criminal offense, which the person himself admitted to, here, of course , the question arises, is this good or bad,
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because on the one hand it is bad that it seems that he was brought under this article, which creates such a precedent, on the other hand , in fact, a precedent in the legal sense has not been created, because the court did not consider this case. this is not a court, which means it confirmed that yes, we now consider this a criminal offense, so the situation here is very ambivalent, on the one hand it is bad for there is journalism, and in general for freedom of speech, on the other hand, it is good that at least he was not found guilty in this case, by the court itself, for example, so that this does not become a precedent, that is, from a legal political and legal point of view, so to speak, here of course, it creates a lot... a lot of questions about the procedure itself, not so much even about the procedure itself, but specifically about its application to such cases that can become indicative? yes, many people talk about this: journalistic activity has been equated with espionage,
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there’s not much of a precedent, but honestly, isn’t it perhaps a detached truth-search in the conditions of an acute cold war, is it doomed to be perceived as sabotage by the enemy or not? our interlocutor today is olga baisha, she knows all the ins and outs of the modern crazy media world, she has researched it in different countries. hello hello. a symbol of such courageous opposition to the american state evokes sympathy and a warm feeling among many, but let’s imagine a mirror situation, that such a whistleblower appears among us, also an exceptionally sincere idealist, we probably won’t really welcome his activities; how should we even approach this phenomenon now? the idea was to provide an opportunity to any people who want to extract their governments, their secrecy, their inaccessibility of some kind... information for residents for citizens of their country to provide the opportunity
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to actually dump this secret information, so first it was the middle east, then thanks to bradley manning, who later became chelsea manning, he in fact, he got access to this american, that is, to say from the very beginning that he had the idea to fight america, this is basically impossible, he had the idea to fight any cover-up of any crimes of any kind, the government is one thing. when he publishes secret information about what american troops were doing there in iraq, the actual famous video that made him famous, when american helicopter pilots shoot iraqis, including civilians, there were not only civilians, there were armed people, but including civilians, including children, and they are not just shooting, but also mocking it, this undoubtedly has the right to be published, because this is a war crime in accordance with any laws, and frankly speaking, here i...
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have public access to diplomatic conversations, the so-called cable leaks, this is a different country of the issue, that is, here, frankly speaking, i don’t see how it can be protected, where is the journalism, in fact, it’s just taking the wrong materials, which he provided mening leaked it to the internet, these are very confidential conversations of diplomats who really have something to do with... the security of the country, in any country he would have been convicted, in any. it is believed that in america the situation is somewhat different, because the first
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amendment protects editors, journalists, publishers, it protects in what sense, it protects, if you yourself did not steal these documents, if you took them somewhere, that’s how the author actually meninga and published it, then yes you, you are not a criminal, you are just considered that this is what people need to know, this affects life, then in 2010 in november. they asked to attack iran, that is, well, this is serious, they made excuses, the lebanese president made excuses, as far as i remember, for covering up, in fact, hiding information.
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information about the operations of the us military in north vietnam, as well as evidence of the direct participation of the lyndon johnson administration in the escalation of the conflict and misleading the us congress. for disclosing state secrets, ellsberg faced 116 years in prison, but under pressure public. acquitted him. a year later, in june 1972, during the election campaign in washington, the police detained five
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people who were setting up work in the office of the us democratic party at the watergate hotel. among those arrested were former cia agents and nixon campaign employees. and although the news did not influence voters and nixon was re-elected, the scandal developed . washington post source under the pseudonym glubokaya. the boat claimed that the tracks led to the very top. the president was recording all conversations in the oval office when the investigation demanded that the film be provided; it turned out to be damaged in the most important way. place, it turned out that nixon personally tried to hush up the matter, after which impeachment became a foregone conclusion even for the republicans. in august '74, nixon resigned. in 2003, american diplomat joseph wilson published an article in which he stated that the george w. bush administration started the war in iraq on the basis of deliberately false intelligence.
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in 2002 he went to niger, where i witnessed it first hand. a week after the article was published an action followed, and the press published material that revealed the identity of his wife, an undercover cia agent, valerie plame. this put an end to her career and endangered her loved ones. the white house denied all allegations. in november 2009, before the climate summit in copenhagen, the so -called climate gate erupted. hackers leaked correspondence from employees of the university of east anglia in norwich, from which it followed that american climatologists deliberately distorted data on global warming. correspondence they discussed what tricks could be used so that in the graphs about the increase in global temperature, it would
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not be noticeable that in some of the years the temperature not only did not increase, but even... decreased. in 2013, edward snowden, a former cia employee of the us national security agency, handed over about 200,000 classified documents to newspapers, after which he fled to hong kong. there he told how american intelligence agencies monitor internet users and listen in on conversations of foreign leaders. this caused a series of international scandals. snowdan confirmed that back in 2010 the us government sanctioned hacking. so on foreign political parties and organizations. in the united states, he was charged in absentia with espionage. snowden asked for political asylum, stayed in russia and got married. in march, at the height of the discussion about the feasibility of supplying kiev with long-range taurus cruise missiles, recordings of secret video meetings of the bundeswehr command, including a recording of
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a conversation about a missile attack on the crimean bridge, were leaked online. the officers were thinking with... now it seems that if now some asanch 2.0 will appear, who will also dump something, they won’t pay attention to this at all, because, firstly, they are fed up with it all, and secondly, these are enemies, it’s all desperated, i agree with you, here , well , first of all, it was an interesting time, when in
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2010, so to speak, all this information was made public, basically everything was in 2010. what time was it? america was very tired of the iraq war, that is, it had already lasted 7 years by that time, it was a very unpopular war by that time. obama came to lay in 2009, he promised to stop the war, close gontama and so on. this was not done in 2010. therefore, this is what they say: the grains fell on the right soil, on good soil. that is, it was the right moment. moreover, it is very important here that it is very important to understand that astange on its own would hardly have achieved such success. but although... his ideology was to publish raw information, he believed that any editing, any framing, harms the information, people have the right, but he quickly realized that people may have the right, but to understand all this informational rubbish, well, actually, who will, well, there are no people willing among the masses, so to speak, of the population, so he then turned in 2010 to the
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mainstream media bushington post, new york times and so on further, who went to say cooperation with him, because they really thought that it was very... important, but they began to frame, edit, well, in fact, bring everything into the denominator to which, so to speak, our modern humanity, imagine that the same thing happened today, firstly, my streaming media will no longer play these games after this story, they won’t, we know this for sure, new york times, washington post, garden, they won’t publish nothing that runs counter to the interests of the american state today, the second aspect, today we are really immersed in the world of the internet, where any such information... 101 versions of other information, where i will say that this is fake, this and so on and the like, and they will also fabricate videos that will contradict what you saw, so it’s up to the person to figure it out again. very difficult, please tell me, here you are, among other things, a theorist of the media sphere, that in general such a very hard job now, this phenomenon that everyone is talking about now,
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post-truth, that is, in simple terms, emotions and personal views are more important, than the facts, we seem to frame or, so to speak, adapt to our own view what we read, and we simply ignore the rest, it turns out that the exposure is simple. loses its meaning in this environment, in a sense , yes, yes, in a sense, yes, but let it be true, it’s not so simple that we deny the facts, but well, we love emotions, no, the facts are different for everyone , that is, there is a category of people to whom no matter what you bring, no matter what facts you tell, and you know for sure that these are facts, they still won’t believe it, because they will be sure that this is russian propaganda, with on the other hand the same thing, this is absolutely... emotions in the sense that we are emotionally committed to some kind of truth, that is, we believe in some kind of truth, this is not an objective truth,
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as we believed since the time of enlightenment, that there is objectivity to the truth, but this is a subjective truth that is inherent in certain categories of people, this is a very serious question, in fact, which really deserves it, to discuss it, although, excuse me, this is not necessarily a lie, it could just be a selection. a certain selection of real facts, naturally, people choose what they like, of course, but this turns out to be not even an information war, this is something else, this is not something that people sit here, people come up with and throw in, in any case it is considered an information war, because well, information itself is what you force your opponent or your supporter to believe, this is of great importance , but information in this sense decides everything, that is, you can win with missiles,
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sanch, i think, as such, he arranged his life further, he became a celebrity in general by right, well, about exposure, then we’ll see, thank you very much, we have visiting
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was olga baisha, this week dramatic events took place in different parts of the globe, an attempted military coup in lithium-rich bolivia failed, unrest broke out in kenya so serious that... president william root had to abandon the austerity package approved by parliament. the situation is classic, but it has never been so bright anywhere for a long time. the imf is demanding nairobi raise taxes to meet the terms of the bailout program. the population is rioting. our regular authors are from kenya. and this happened just a few days later
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hours after it was adopted by parliament. the rejection of the bill means some sh200 billion economic development programs will have to be cut and others delayed until next year. we are not afraid of anything, because tomorrow it will be even worse for us, if they cannot do what they should have done, we will continue to fight, even if they kill us all. eventually, this led to massive protests across the country.
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we are going to use any means to make ourselves heard, because so far we have not one politician did not say, okay, where can we meet you, young people, what do you want, no one gives us the opportunity to express our views, the consequences of the protests have significantly affected business activity, entrepreneurs, traders are suffering losses,
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