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you're a reporter, you've been a reporter your whole life, your father was a reporter, a famous reporter, so you grew up in journalism, journalism is the most hated profession right now, which is not unreasonable, even the sackler family is currently more beloved than nbc, for sure, and even congress is more loved. yes, even congress. people are like, you know, maybe this pedophile can still be corrected, it’s not necessary to shoot him, but here’s nbc news, and i’m sure this is a difficult situation for you, but, but for those who no longer remember what they were like media in the nineties when you were graduating from college? what did you think about journalism as you imagined it when you started? i grew up watching my dad's job, yes, he was a reporter. on
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television during the popularity of local news, like the one on anchorman, yeah, with that ridiculous facial hair, and i always hung out at his work, and my dad was a reporter of reporters, he was good at talking to people, he was very good in that aspect, but you know, this is a very important skill, to be able to talk to people, to reveal different points of view, you know, he could go... to any incident, fire, murder or whatever, immediately people began to talk to him, trust him, and where did he get the is there such a skill? i think you have to be born like that, yes, he was such a very sociable person, did he like people? yeah, he liked people, he, well, he could strike up a conversation very quickly, and i grew up very shy, and the first thing i realized was that i could never be like him, he had something. kind of a superpower
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that i didn't have, so i decided to go in a different direction. also, when i was growing up, i dreamed of writing science fiction, i was obsessed with it at the time, but when i graduated from college, i realized that the only thing i knew about was my father's work, because i practically grew up in it, to besides, this work had to do with writing, so... i took it up, only over time did i really appreciate how they did journalism before, because then it was completely different, when i started doing journalism, i had a rather definite idea about it, and i thought that i wouldn’t be very good at journalism, since i didn’t have my father’s talent, but i started abroad in russia. i already knew how
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to speak russian, so i already had an advantage over other american reporters, then what year did you go to russia? i studied in 89-90, when it was still a union, what was it like? it was amazing, it was like the wild west. the funniest thing is, when people ask me why i love russia so much? firstly, because russia is the birthplace of my favorite writers, for example, my hero was nikolai gogal. i wanted to be a satirist writer, and russia is so rich in magnificent satirists, as you yourself know, yes, starting with bulgakov and davlatov, all these writers, so i wanted to learn the language, besides, when i arrived there, i i was a very depressed teenager, i was very socially awkward and all that. when i came to the late union, everyone there was depressed, yes, it was very interesting,
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that's it, putin was very famous, he was an assistant to the mayor of st. petersburg even when i was studying in st. petersburg, when he came to power in moscow, it was clear to everyone what exactly he was doing. western journalists loved him, loved putin, yes, and that was it, because even then i was disappointed in american journalism because of the incorrect portrayal of the post. russia, but this was
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the last straw for me. tell me again what was incorrectly reflected. they sent someone to the provincial one. about the transition to capitalism, prosperity, the emergence of the middle class, that everything was going strictly according to plan, while the country under yeltsen felt very bad, and it was all very strange, what many of the journalists were doing, because they
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mainly interviewed english speakers officials from the yeltsin government, many of whom studied at harvard, so they had plenty. version of what exactly happened in russia and what problems existed there. by that time i had already left the moscow times and created my own newspaper, talking about nightlife, i started doing something that was very different from my previous experience, i started traveling around the country to get different jobs, for example, i worked as a kamenchik in siberia, right? yes, i... worked in a monastery in mordovia, what did you do in the monastery, construction? i traveled around the country and saw how the people really lived and what the situation was in general, and it was
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amazing, because in every place i visited, i learned new lies that we told the americans, it seemed to me the blinders fell from my eyes. i know you've had a similar experience in journalism, when you discover that what you thought before was absolutely wrong, it was like my eyes were opened, absolutely wrong, yes, absolutely wrong, exactly, and what's more, this was discovered very quickly, in ninety- eight there was a gigantic financial collapse, and then putin came, by that time the people were already so tired of this... americana, a similar version of controlled democracy that existed under yeltsen, and that’s how it was. putin, and i very strongly criticized putin in that time. but there was no doubt that he
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was much more popular than yeltsin. the country was ashamed of yeltsin, since he constantly appeared drunk in public, incompetent, in my opinion, we ourselves are now going through something similar. the state is a vassal of the west, this is an ancient confrontation between russia and america, it is with the americans, they did not like to consider themselves going back to the time of peter the great, you know, slavophiles against the westernizer, and against the people. and about the westerners, and the pendulum swung in the other direction, right on mine eyes, it was fascinating to watch, but it also had very serious consequences, to what extent do you think western news organizations take orders from western business
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western authorities, about 90%, 95%, oh well, yes, absolutely, if go back, and look at what the new york times and the washington post and other organizations wrote, the current deputy prime minister of canada, chrystia freeland, was my colleague at the time, she was in this clique of western journalists, and what she was, but they all said approximately same thing, the main idea was that a new group of capitalist robber barons had emerged. and yes, it was bad, it was a bad transition to capitalism, that’s how they wrote about it, although in fact it was pure banditry, the majority of those who got rich got rich through absolutely illegal privatization, and it was carried out, there were such loans-for-shares auctions, the government
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literally lent money to his accomplices so that they could buy companies of the exxon level for 1% of the cost, for example, yukas, which was gigantic... created a class billionaires, but not a single journalist wrote about this, and then, when these people had money, they began to be treated as real production workers and entrepreneurs, yes, exactly, they were not even robber barons, they at least built railroads, exactly, yes, these guys only knew how to steal, they redistributed. property. moscow in the late nineties was very similar to chicago
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in the thirties. it is very difficult to describe what she really was like. bandits are throwing people out of windows everywhere, there are things going on all around act of terrorism. it was a wild place. and this all happened when i was there, and then the city began to become what it became when... you already arrived there, yes, the most comfortable city in my life, which for me sounds simply incredible, for me and myself it was a shock, in the 10 years that you were gone, you missed all the clinton years, and 9/11, yes, so i think it's fair to say that in 2002 it was a completely different country than in ninety second year, what did you think when back? well i was shocked when i came back. i just recently remembered this, because i now think a lot about the fact that america
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is sliding into authoritarianism. i came home to america after 9/11, all the talk was about how we should give up all our guarantees of democracy, because i think it was dick china who said that we should reveal our dark side because the bill of rights can not. what's strange is that we were talking about this at dinner yesterday, and yes, you and i kind of represent different views, i guess, though
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now it turns out that no, but in ninety- five you and i would have been on opposite sides, but given that we are the same age, we had this confidence that what the us government does abroad, it will never will do in your own country, you can't treat american citizens like some, you know. houthis, there are some standards that we apply in conducting our foreign policy and completely different standards when interacting with our citizens, to whom the government and belongs, yes, yes, and i think what i didn’t understand then, since i was morally deficient, young and stupid, is that as soon as you start doing evil abroad, then then you will start doing it at home, of course, and you cannot defend democracy by destroying democracy, no, and you, you... essentially pervert the whole idea of ​​democracy, it becomes
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less and less as soon as you start killing people without trial, then this is no longer democracy, they constantly use this the term is very superficial, we must protect democracy, what do you mean you are going to protect democracy through censorship, this is exactly the issue that i have been dealing with for the last 2 years. if that's what you mean, then it's contrary to the very idea, in what sense is it contrary to, well, the first amendment says we can't do that, you can't protect the bill of rights by violating it, right, this whole shift in emphasis is on us , i, like you, like most americans, we all knew that america was killing...
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that they would cross this line and start doing it here. when i first arrived in russia, the first reporters i met worked for komsomolskaya pravda. in the eighties, yes, which at that time was the largest newspaper in the world with a circulation of about 21 million, when i was at the moscow times, i worked in the building of the pravda newspaper, and the people there told me stories about their work in the eighties. the job was to carry out instructions, they were essentially clerks, yes, they received orders for
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the day, carried them out, and then went home to their wives, went on weekends. event that can lead to the beginning war with a nuclear power, and it also destroyed the economy of western europe, and also this is a major environmental disaster, which is what you're kind of worried about, it was the largest carbon dioxide emission in history, that is, in the heads of all these people, russia is the center of all this, from my point of view, as
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someone who was never interested in russia, you suddenly wake up one day 25 years after the end of the cold war. i realize that now i must hate russia, but i won’t do this out of principle and not because that i love russia, but now i already like russia when i visited there, but a year ago i didn’t have such feelings, right, but i’m an adult and i don’t want to be told what to think under any circumstances, period, since i am not a slave, but the question remains unanswered: why, why did hating russia become a requirement for living in the united states, why does it even matter, why of all countries did we choose it? but it would be nice if there was peace, and nuclear war is scary, let’s do without it, that was the point view in my childhood, of course, we were told then that russians also love their children, which is true, when gorbachev came on the scene, i remember very well how people said that we need to find a way to coexist with these
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people, that we are spending too much much money. on defense, and that it costs both our countries a lot, but now everything is completely different, and what is strange is that the current government in america is very similar to the soviet government of the early eighties, joe biden would be ideal for the politburo of that time, he is similar to brezhnev, he is a weak-minded, old, physically frail leader who... is in office only because he has not died yet, and i think that they have no idea what they are doing, the situation can easily get out of control, because they have a complex god, they believe that they are obliged to continue this conflict, i think that barack obama felt
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emotions about only one issue, this was the situation with crimea, i agree, and all this will always be more important for them. russian, yes, and he was historically russian, yes, in the history of ukraine there is a lot of questionable things, the fact that they were given, in during the soviet period, they simply decided to create a certain territory, the borders there are very ambiguous, they do not follow linguistic or cultural boundaries, if you visited there,
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you would find that in some places there are only russians, in others only ukrainians, and yes, now it... is changing a lot, but, but i'm sure that the people who are pushing this, they have no idea about it, it 's like when i was in russia, they were told only one thing, they began to believe that ukraine - this is switzerland, and we are saving it from russia when in fact, in reality, this is not close to the case, and i, i don’t know how dangerous you think they are, i think that these people are crazy, i think that’s the point...
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russia occupies a leading position in the world in the production of nickel, aluminum and titanium. the metallurgical industry is of strategic importance for our country, for equipping the army and navy and the further growth of the national economy, vladimir putin stated. on the eve of metallurgy day , the president congratulated industry workers on their professional holiday via video link took part in the launch of several metallurgical enterprises in the regions. all
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