[music] and to the republic for which it stands. one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. welcome, all. madam secretary, good morning. this is the fire commission regular meeting. november 8th, 2023. and the time is 901. this meeting is being held in person and members of the public may attend the meeting to observe and provide public comment at the physical meeting location or by. calling 14156550001 and using id. 266305922273. the

webinar password is 1234. members of the public may address the commission for up to three minutes per item. please ensure you are in a quiet location. speak clearly and turn off background sounds. wait for the item you would like to address to be called when prompted. press star three to be added to the queue. the system will notify you when you are in line. callers will hear silence when waiting for your turn to speak. operator will unmute you. item one roll call president steven nakajo president vice president army morgan is on his way. commissioner catherine feinstein present commissioner marcy frazier. commissioner paula collins, president and chief of department. janine nicholson. present. president nakajo will now read the land acknowledgment. thank you very much, madam secretary. the san francisco fire commission

acknowledges that we are on the unseated ancestral homeland of the ramaytush aloni, who are the original inhabitants of the san francisco penina insula, as the indigenous stewards of this land and in accordance with their tradition, the promontory geloni have never ceded, lost nor forgotten their responsibilities as the caretakers of this place, as well as for all people who reside in their traditional territory as guests, we recognize that we benefit from living and working on their traditional homeland. we wish to pay our respects by acknowledging the ancestors elders and relatives of the ramaytush aloni community and by affirming their sovereign rights as first people. madam secretary , item two general public comment. members of the public may address the commission for up to three minutes on any matter within the commission's jurisdiction. that does not appear on the agenda. the speaker shall address their remarks to the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners or department personnel. commissioners are not to enter into debate or discussion with the speaker for

the lack of a response by the commissioner or department personnel. does not necessarily constitute agreement with or support of statements made during public comment. madam secretary, is there any member of the public that wishes to give public comment at this time? there is nobody approaching the podium and there is nobody on the public comment line. thank you very much. public comment is closed. item three, approval of the minutes, discussion and possible action to approve the meeting minutes from the regular meeting on october 25th, 2023. madam secretary, we'll take public comment on this item first, please. there is nobody on the public comment line and nobody approaching the podium. thank you very much, madam secretary. public comment is closed. i move that we adopt the minutes. thank you very much. commissioner feinstein. second. thank you very much. commissioner collins,

president nakajo. how do you vote? i vote aye. vice president morgan. how do you vote? and commissioner frazier, how do you vote? the motion is unanimous. madam secretary, please note 904. vice president morgan has arrived. noted item four, chief of departments report report from chief of department janine nicholson on current issues, activities and events within the department. since the fire commission meeting on october 25th, 2023, including budget academy special events, communications and outreach to other government agencies and the public, and report from administration deputy chief shane kialoa on administrative divisions, fleet and facility status and updates. finance support services and homeland security. thank you very much, madam secretary. good morning, chief nicholson. we know that you have to attend the meeting with the mayor, so please present your report this morning . thank you very much. good

morning. president nakajo vice president morgan, commissioner feinstein, commissioner frazier and commissioner collins, sister maureen and command staff. this is my report. since our last commission meeting on october 25th, 2023, really everything is all right now. asia-pacific economic coordination. we've been having multiple meetings, coordinate, coordinating all of the, you know, things that could happen that will happen. all the possibilities. good and bad, working with whether it's to the city, to our staff, for citizens, for our response times with street closures and the like. so we've been meeting, had multiple meetings with the secret service. i know for san francisco police department all days off are canceled. they're all working 14 hour days for the next two weeks. we're bringing

1000 chp officers into the city. there will be multiple challenges getting around the city due to those closures, including around moscone center. i believe they're closing from second to fifth and mission to bryant. so just a lot of stuff going on. the president, i believe, will be here midweek and i think the biggest days will be 15th and 16th. our heaviest days. but but i think we can expect protests throughout the city all week. and that is, i think, going to be our biggest challenge. and certainly the law enforcement's biggest challenge. so all of our folks are working hard. chief tong, chief artist sarah brown my other two deputies, chief chief kyla, everyone has been just working hard on this,

getting the staffing right so we can staff all of our folks, emergency operations centers. et cetera. so we have the best coverage and the best communication with everyone that we need to communicate with during that week. so it's all all the time right now. in fact, i think much of the meeting with the mayor today, we're holding it at moscone center. so it will be mostly about apec and what's what's next. so um, so succession planning and so my three deputies and mark corso and myself, we just had our second sort of retreat, if you will, for a five hour meeting on sort of off campus. and we talked about succession planning. the first time we really talked about priorities and sort of did a swot analysis.

es strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats. and this last week we talked about succession planning and what we do in these meetings is we come up with sort of our challenges, what we need to see happen, what the sort of obstacles are to them. and then we come out with a list of action items. so so we're holding a meeting once a month, and this month it was on succession planning. so really good stuff. and i appreciate all of them for their hard work and their input as we know, our budget and structures instruction are coming. i believe next next month. but and having some real conversations with others in city government and the budget conversations. i think are going to be really

challenging and well we need to do will be really challenging. and i think anything that is not core to a department's mission then may go away. now, i've said , and i'll say it again to them that everything we do is core to our mission. and so i do think we are special in more ways than one, and that's one of them. so but, you know, don't don't see anything that we can or certainly should be forced to cut because of all the work our folks are doing is so critical to this city. and appreciate i hope they appreciate that as much as i do. so we will continue those conversations. but next month we should get those more direction. i would say from the mayor's budget office. in really good news, new hires. we have hired a plumber and an electrician in the last

couple of months. plumber is mario tuimavave and the electrician is brian yang. and this means that we get to direct so much of the work that needs to be done in our fire stations more efficiently. it's more cost effective. the repairs will be more timely. so it's just a huge , huge thing for us. and i welcome them on board and appreciate all their work. want to give a shout out to hashim anderson? he is in our office in our diversity equity inclusion office and i know he was honored at city hall recently for the all partner appreciation event for dedication to the youth of san francisco. but let me just tell you some of the things in addition to his regular job duties that he did in the last couple of weeks, he was out tabling at castro street fair at ucsf health fair at kipp college

prep career fair at the career expo at galileo high school, emt class. and it goes on and on and on. so a big shout out to hashim, and many thanks to him in terms of some of the things i've been doing besides all apec all the time i've had more interviews of late. new york magazine interview was the latest one on autonomous vehicles, and we certainly saw some of some of what's come out in the media of late about autonomous vehicles that cruise has halted all autonomous ice vehicles. they have their vehicles driving around with drivers in them, but they've done that across all the markets that they work in, and they just halted production of their autonomous passenger vans as well. gm did. so i think we'll

see some changes coming from from cruise. and i know that fletcher is working with them and with waymo to improve their operations and how it impacts our operations. also attended filipino american history month, american indian indian heritage month. both wonderful cultural events at city hall, city mta had an a multi casualty incident drill hall and at pier 80 last saturday i went to that. it was really, really great to see the current city folks and those those that have graduated from city emt and others out there volunteering. we did the veterans day parade this past sunday, ended at aquatic park and also sunday evening, united

fire service women had a retired women's party where 30 retirees were honored and just a little statistic here, in the last five years, we've had 61 women retire , 61 women. so just a lot of experience going out the door and we will be graduating our 132nd academy of 53 recruits on friday november 17th at the scottish rite center. and that should be far away from all of the tech goes on. so it should be good out there and then last but certainly not least, our fabulous doctor, jennifer brokaw, will be retiring in march of 2024. and chief kailua can speak a little bit to the process because i know this is under the commission. and so we

will be having further conversations with you to get on this. and get someone in place with you to carry on just the great work that she's done. she came in and jumped right into the frying pan with us. it was the middle of the beginning of covid and, you know, she just she just did so many did so much great stuff for us. and, you know, change that office and made it to an office of, you know, real care for our firefighters, emts and medics. so am really, really grateful for that. and with that, i am happy to take any questions. thank you very much, chief nicholson. at this point, we'll take public comment off your chief's report. madam secretary, there is nobody approaching the podium and there is nobody on the public comment line. the comment is closed on the chief's report. any comments or questions from the commissioners to the chief at this time, please? okay vice president

morgan, my mic on. hi, chief. yeah. i won't hold you too long. i just want to wish you the best of luck during the apec convention and thank you for all your hard work and scheduling and hope it goes well with that. and i just want to apologize to you ahead of time. i won't be able to make the graduation for the 132nd firefighters recruit because i had a previous engagement in sacramento that weekend with the democratic convention. and so i promised i'd be there. but i'll try to watch it online. i just want to apologize ahead of time, and thanks for your report, chief. thank you. thank you, mayor. thank you, vice president. and no worries. you are just such a huge supporter of us. always so no worries. we will miss you. but go take care of business in sacramento. all right. thank

you. thank you, vice president morgan. chief, i just have a couple of comments. one, i wanted to acknowledge, i'm sure with the commissioners in terms of the great work and appreciate attention. two dr. brocal, in terms of the announcement that she's going to be retiring, we also made some note, if there's some engagement or event of our appreciation, please let the commissioners know that. i also want to congratulate you on this good news. exciting news of hiring our own electrician. i mean, i can't tell you and in terms of our own plumber, i mean , chief mullins, you must be jumping up and down in the department. is and the commissioners are i mean, finally we get to do some things here and in a timely and a budgetary manner, the other thing is, is that when cd2 presents in december through chief tong to chief pang, i know there was an audit performed by the homeless outreach team, not referring to our team per se,

but i like to have some comment in terms of our department's perspective on how that goes and how that relates to ourselves. so with that, chief, good luck in your meeting and thank all of the members of our city and county for the upcoming aipac conference. thank you, chief. thank you, mr. president. and we be happy to report out on that report. it was an audit of sort of all of the street teams and it was mostly positive for us. we are doing great work out there, but they will be happy to present event sort of chief bang and others will be happy to present next month. thank you. thank you very much, chief. madam secretary, i believe we have cd three presenting at this time. yes, we do. administrative deputy chief shane kaliloa. please good morning to you, chief. good morning to you. president nakajo vice president

morgan. commissioners feinstein, frazier collins. maureen. chief nicholson, command staff. i am shane kialoa, deputy chief of administration. and this is my report for october 2023. i feel like we just saw each other. yeah, but we'll begin with homeland security. under the direction of assistant deputy chief erika artasyrus brown. as as the chief pointed out, and we have been pointing out the enormous challenge of apec, of planning and coordination that that chief arceus's brown has been tackling along with such chief josh smith and their team among the high level visits from dignitaries. and in the month of october, fleet week during the month of october, fleet week was incredibly busy for the homeland security team. um, managing, coordinating and supporting many of our fleet week training exercises like the interoperable

interoperable communications between the civilian and military disaster responders. that was discussed last month. an enormous win for that community between civilian and military, where chief cannon was heavily involved. this is the first time that this has been done. it is not there yet. there's much work to be done in the future. but to be able to connect with the military and the civilian during this exercise was an enormous win. also during that exercise week, there were shipboard firefighting also. so the us military coming to treasure island to train on urban search and rescue with the support of our in-service training staff. so thank you to chief mao and the in-service training staff for supporting that, as well as our veterans association at this training, the military goes through certain drills like

breaching and breaking search and rescue, some confined space and heavy tool use. also that week, the military rode along with our ems personnel and operations as a way to learn about ems and the credit and how to enter the ems through the sfd . many of our folks were able to attend the senior leader seminar and many of our members attended and played in sports activities throughout the week. beyond just the exercises, there was a ton of fleet week support and coordination with the mayor's press conference, the air show and expo, the air show command and oversight by our birx brandon and crispin. also the maritime response and planning and the extrication procedures for multiple aircraft which required divers, swimmers, boat

operators and also the ems event box. all also beyond the exercises and beyond the support needed. chief harris and her team also supported the high level dignitaries, which requires an enormous amount, lot of up staffing with our ems folks and our suppression folks to provide support. what the contingency planning and response. also our firefighter custodial and rc wong assisted in the overall planning and ppe, which is the event action plan. every time we have an event in the city, an event action plan is developed, it includes the objective of the event, the overall community action plan, the strategies as maps and important information to ensure that the event is complete successfully and safely. also

the chief, eric brown, found the time to attend the citywide drill on august or on october 21st. this is another great event where we're able to see our neighborhood response teams go through their training and search and heavy lifting in and community relations to support us when we have our event in a natural disaster where we need that extra support, more moving on to the department of equity and inclusion under the assistant deputy chief, sean buford. among his much work in creating pathways and partnerships to ensure our youth has a clear pathway to our emergency medical services and our fire department. he also attended the 2023 first responder career pathways with chief nicholson and myself at city hall. this was an incredible event where we were

able to connect with many of our youth throughout the city to discuss what the what the san francisco fire department does. but what's most inspiring was to be able to see a panel at the stage who success fully works now on ems and suppression and be able to hear their stories and their their path to where they are today. it was inspiring to hear their stories and their mentorship towards some of our 9910 and our youth in the crowd during this event. one of our very own lieutenant hunter was on that panel and gave her story as well. chief nicholson stole my thunder. these are all the things that lieutenant hashim anderson has done over the month. and so i won't go over them again. but everything that

chief nicholson stated is absolutely true and correct it. and i'll highlight the galileo high school emt class, which lieutenant hashim anderson is a part of. but i will highlight this. lieutenant hashim anderson accepted a certificate of honor for mayor breed for the san francisco fire department. work as opportunities for all partner employees, opportunities for all provides access to career exploration and workforce development for san francisco's youth and young adults through paid internships, mentorship and pathways of employment. it it is so well deserving, so well deserving. for lieutenant hashim anderson. and i can't stand here today and tell you how much work he puts in to ensure that the youth of this city has pathways to this fire department and among his other duties of recruitment and outreach, covid

nation with the fire candidate testing center, coordination with our da to provide died or develop our h two announcements to ensure that everything is correct to coordinate with the msa to ensure that our licenses as the recruits are coming in are well taken care of. i can't say enough about hashim and what he does for this fire department. so we'll move to the health and safety with under battalion chief matt album da during the month. i think we last report that i gave chief alva was working with a working group regarding respiratory protection for wildland urban interface firefighting and that does continue throughout the month in fact, there is a meeting and a presentation happening today. chief albert

also continues his work and coordination with the cancer foundation on and is looking into a company called roundhouse one to specifically do air monitoring to identify high some of the chemicals that are in the air in the firehouses that are coming from our apparatus and our apparatus bays how to identify what that is and how to better protect our folks. still early in that conversation. but just some of the things that chief albert is working through in the month of october, you also attended a webinar using extreme ownership leadership principles to build a culture of wellness in the agency. see extreme ownership is a book written by my goodness. jocko willink. leif babin it is a story as they were young leaders during the ramadi war. from

there they built a company where they build leadership up in organizations and 501 k companies and all over and what the concept is, is a owning everything. and your realm and so he's attended this and how that adapt to building a healthy culture within the agency in the unit. this is a terrible slide. i apologize and it's difficult to see. not much has changed, but our contacts for the month of october were 50 contacts. i believe it's 200 plus hours. it is 215 plus hours. still, that stress factor being work related . but beyond that, captain heather beer and also presented to the command staff with her navigators at headquarters to

discuss the process of diffusing and debriefing or excuse me, debriefings, which is very helpful and to discuss a lot of what the behavioral health unit has learned. and since a few of our high level incidents over the last few months and how adjustments are being made, i also performing outreach to our members to build out the depth in that program and still working with the fellow to coordinate and develop the culturally competent clinicians. just another factor that i just spoke of and that data and we'll move on to the office of employee health under doctor brokaw and nurse practitioner stephanie phelps as the chief stated, doctor brokaw is retiring as we speak. we are looking over the job announcement. nurse practitioner

or phelps and doctor brokaw are adjusting that based on what they've learned since doctor brokaw has come on board and how maybe some of those duties have changed and needs to be realigned. one nurse that is complete, i will send a copy of that to you and we can talk offline about the further processes in the month of october, the performed return to work duty of 68 members continues her scan or screening of our new hires. approximately 27 of our 73 provided 41 promotions all screenings and also deliver flu shots to the department. thanks to firefighter, paramedic james green and approximately to this date, 300 of those flu shots were delivered under our investigative services bureau with captain todd weddle.

captain weddle continues to perform our random drug testing and our conditional promotional offering testings and also background investigations. we have approximately 71 candidates to 73 candidates that the isp will be going through. in fact, they have begun. and catmull continues his training by completing the course and effective personal investigation in under support services. assistant deputy chief mike mullen. there were 134 requests for service, 164 service orders were completed and 18 service calls were replaced to resolve minor plumbing issues. and this were resolved by our sfd plumber neighborhood fire stations, general maintenance program, conducting service and load bank testing of fire service or fire station emergency generators. i believe i spoke about this in my last report and also being worked on as the fire station 17

boiler replacement and station 29 apparatus doors. as the chief mentioned earlier, we did hire our our elected mission. brian yang be beyond these little data points. the work that chief mullen is doing is coordinating with director caruso in developing out our fleet purchase plan for the coming year. that has been submitted while creating or looking into creating efficiencies and everything that we do so that we're looking at it a track program to track our equipment and our medical equipment out to create efficiencies there among many other projects under esser or our earthquake safety and emergency response assistant deputy chief gareth miller. the

design team visited 1236 carroll street, which is where our new fire training facility will be built. this was very insightful for this team to understand the elevations there on site and how they could utilize that elevation and reduce the amount of or if any material from that site and to use its natural topography to create a site that's going to work for san francisco fire department. they also had a design kickoff team with rdc, public works, boa, or bureau of architecture and blah, the bureau of land scape and architecture were in this meeting. chief lathrop, myself were present along with captain eng. there was discussion about previous programing and the program moving forward and adjacent ses and other topics, but it was great to be able to kick this project off and to its

next phase. we can move towards completion. some of the highlights of this month or the month of october. we attended with many of the command staff that 90 coit tower anniversary, along with house speaker emerita nancy pelosi, mayor linda breed, president aaron peskin and many of our staff. so teresa, put this in, obviously, but during the month of october, chief tong and myself were honored by the president of the asian firefighters association and the firefighters association. for our work throughout the years. and not something we're used to, not something that is not natural to be able to stay in front of folks and talk about

yourself. but it was a great honor. it was great seeing many of the folks there and having president peskin there and mayor leonard breed showing up. it was a great honor. so that ends my report. and now i'm happy to take any of your questions. thank you very much, chief. at this point, we'll take public comment off of cd three's report. chief kaliloa there is nobody approaching the podium and nobody on the public comment call in line very much. madam secretary, public comment is closed. questions from the commissioners comments at this time. i have a question. thank you, commissioner. thank you, chief kialoa and you did deserve the honor. so get over it. as usual. there's a lot of stuff going on. i just had to kind of off questions about your area. one is i think you have fire investigations under your area,

is that right? no oh, no. that's chief fletcher. scratch that. the md is my other question. how if there's anything that the commission it was alluded to maybe by the chief, that there's something we may be asked to participate in. i'm very happy to help with that. she's been a wonderful i know medical director for a while, and that's going to be tough to fill. so i'll just volunteer myself instead of everybody else. if there's anything i can do to assist with that. i appreciate that. yeah sure. and the book, extreme ownership, that's had not heard of that. i'm going to check into that, although i think it was written by the navy or navy seals. is that correct? yes they were navy seals. yeah okay. it is a good book. and i'm not going to plug it. there are many other good books. but. yes, but it is a very good book. they also have a audio book that is read by them themselves. it's fascinating. that's great. well,

thank you so much. i don't have a lot of questions, but i really appreciate the report. it was really informative and very comprehensive. so thank you, chief. thank you. thank you very much. commissioner frazier, the vice president. morgan yeah, i just want to apologize again, chief kialoa, for missing your dinner. you know, i still work during the day and people were out. and so i was stuck in the office all day. and by the time i got out, it was too late. but i, you know, i never like to turn down a free meal. i mean, so but no, i apologize for, you know, miss ing the dinner that where you were honored. and chief tong and chief peng, i think we're all honored there in chinatown. yeah. and so i just want to apologize for that. i would have loved to have been there, but that's all right. yeah. i got to throw another one. i got hammered that day. two people missed office and i just want to didn't show up in the office, but other than that, thanks for your report. just some of these. i was just

looking at some of the support services, us and some of these expenses. i mean, wouldn't it just be cheaper just to knock down the buildings and build new ones? i mean, some of these some of these plumbing bills are scary. jesus christ. but that's san francisco and that's how it goes. and the older, older buildings, you guys have a big challenge there to stay within budget. i was looking at some of these boiler. $220,000 for fire station 17. boy, that's a scary quote. and some of the i know it's challenging, but you've got to stay warm when you do. i'm keeping my eye on some of these expenses, but i appreciate your report. thank you. thank you. thank you very much. vice president morgan. at this point, i have a couple of questions. comments, chief, i'm going to defer in the sense of refer. let

me correct that to the homeland security report and the kind of extended over to apec and kind of ask my basic question of what the news says, meaning 21 heads of state. is that correct? president can you come a little closer to the microphone? i'm sorry. it's hard for me to hear you. yeah, i'm trying to take advantage of the homeland security report and ask about apec and pacific questions and i asked in terms of the information i'm getting, is the number of state officials or country officials that are coming as a number that's thrown out there like 21 and such. is that an accurate number? that's correct. and you say 21. i believe it's a little bit over that. but yes. and that given us, again, the sense of how important this is internationally, nationally, security, otherwise, as the chief reported, how many staff or indeed individuals attached

to that conference, there's a number that's been thrown out there that during those seven days there will be a number of new participants or participants within the city. i heard something like about it's still a number out of that me, because i don't want to be. are you saying in total right i wouldn't have that, but i've heard like 30,000. is that i just want to get a ballpark of what we're talking about. oh, i see what you're saying. yes i've heard the same number. it's right. and then even set in stone. but i've heard anywhere between 20 and 30,000. and again, you know me, i'm a logistical kind of guy. so it says when there's gridlock, detours or whatever, don't avoid downtown. i mean, that's one thing. the other thing is, okay, show me how to get downtown. if i got to go downtown or in our case, if we got to go to headquarters because during that time we do have a set meeting at headquarters. so my curiosity is how do i get there? so those kind of questions are running in my mind, but also if those many

members are coming in, i'm assuming that a staff, the individual staff is coming in. i'm assuming this is wednesday conference starts on saturday. i'm assuming folks are coming in now after a while. i don't want to assume i kind of want to know because otherwise i'm going to get ready for the impact. do you have any information at all, chief, in terms of so a lot of what you ask is sensitive information, and that is coming out slowly. i believe today the communication plan is coming out. and so we'll have that hopefully by today. that's about what i can share in terms of that. okay. appreciate, chief, because again, when i get my information newspaper, whatever, tv, at some point i said i'm going to go to the fire commission and get the real nitty gritty, you know what i mean? and so i know at 3:00 there's going to be a briefing, but a secret service chief and but a logistically, i just want to know how to act while i'm in

here because i don't know if i just stay home for the next seven days. chief quite frankly, the way it's coming down. right. all right. enough of that. are you about to say something, chief? oh, yeah, that's. sorry, president cosgrove. vice president morgan. commissioner fraser feinstein. collins marine command staff. the the press conference with the secret service this afternoon will reveal a lot of things about traffic interruption plans and be communicated ing those kind of messages to the public. yeah, okay. because in my mind, we're out at the airport. you know what i mean? and so i'm just thinking about, okay, this is wednesday. how is it as we stand guard, we the commission is getting ready as well. and as a public citizen of san francisco, i just need more information on it would greatly help us. right. understood. my second comment is off of the dei report. chief buford and yourself. i just want to make a note and i know the

commissioners are aware of it too. the recognition of lieutenant hashim anderson. i see his picture in events all the time, and i know he's doing a job as well. i appreciate the fact that you and chief buford in terms of the department, highly light members of our department, that are really above and beyond and doing great good work. so i just wanted to note that, number three, in terms of the bond report, chief miller, page 47, you showed a slide and it was the san francisco fire department dot construction meeting that you referred to. there's two pictures up there. one of the design team, again, page 47, you see it, chief? not yet. one second. it's a picture of a meeting room and a picture of the whole team standing there. okay, i see it now. yeah for the public again, we can't show it,

but basically for a commissioner for boy, i'm telling you, this is historical. for me to be able to commission to see a picture of the team after all these years, to finally see that team. and more than that, you know, they identify about the picture. that's why i appreciate it, because when i see these folks, i can see it from the department, but i don't know who the department of architecture, public works bureau, landscape architect, civil engineer are. but the low picture of everybody standing there, that's impressive. just got to be real about it is projected for the first time. i tell it again, chief mullins, that there was a completion date for this at the last report, but this is the first time, not the first time, but now i see it as an address. 1236 carroll avenue never saw that, just like the new 49. i still call it the new 49. i call it the old 49. the old 49. but when you start putting an

address to it and you show me a team that tells me, okay, we'll starting to get serious about this. and i just want to tell you that from a commissioner's point of view, it's very, very encouraging. we'll be paying a lot of attention. and again, chief miller did a great job on this. so i just wanted to put that out there. looking at my notes, i think i got it. one more thing, chief commissioner frazier, the commission, as i understand it, we have a responsibility of oversight on the physician and in fact, we participate in the interview. and part of the interview process as a commission. commissioner. feinstein at that time was president and conducted as such. the chief's office is going through a job review description, and at some point the commission will be engaged because it's our responsibility. and i'm sure the chief will come up with some kind of format of how best to integrate the commission as we start to participate within that. so i

just wanted to comment on that as well. when is the end date of chief dr. rocha? one more time. when's the end date? the retirement date for chief for dr. protocol? i believe it was march 24. okay so we have some time as the game plan to hire somebody as she exits. or we do we have some time. we do have a draft announcement that i will get to you and that will go through the process. okay. it'd be nice to get her input while she's here. exactly. okay. thank you very much, chief. thank you very much for your comments. report. thank you. madam secretary. we. item five, resolution 2020 3-07 discussion and possible action resolution. recommend that the board of supervisors authorize the san francisco fire department to accept a fiscal year 2023 grant award valued at 125,000 from the

cares star foundation to purchase supplies and support staff of the sfd to produce an emergency medical service data equity conference project. right. thank you very much, madam secretary. good morning. director corso. good morning, mr. president. commissioner chief maureen mark corso, finance and planning to speak on the next item which is acceptance of a grant award in the amount of $125,000 from the care star foundation for a data conference on ems data and data sharing on behalf of the fire department, the community paramedicine division applied for and was awarded this grant allocation to put on an ems data symposium. the purpose of this conference is to get a variety of ems partners from all over together to discuss the kind of complex area of ems data and related challenges, issues that come with it. the goal is to identify strategies and solutions to some of these challenges in order to better

capture data, but also to make better use of that data to help serve the communities and assistant deputy chief simon pang is here to speak on behalf of their specific questions about the conference in general. but the department will be partnering with san jose state university on this data symposium, and i'm happy to answer any questions. thank you very much. director corso. before i take public comment on this, since chief pang's was mentioned as part of this presentation, i think it would be appropriate if chief pang came to the podium and spoke to this so that the commission and the public can be more aware as to what the intention of this funding grant is. good morning, chief pang. good morning. president nakajo vice president morgan. commissioners feinstein. frazier collins as chief secretary, conifer command staff am. simon pang, assistant deputy chief of community paramedicine the this data symposium, which

will be on january 19th of next year, is an offshoot of the million dollar grant that we got from the national science foundation in collaboration with san jose state to work on moral injury and improving health equity and the idea is we started to see it in community paramedicine and realized that this is a problem that extends to all of ems, but at the most basic level is how do we define someone who is homeless? we all do it different ways. is it someone who's marginally housed? is it someone who's couch surfing? is it someone that's been homeless for one week for two weeks, for a month? other issues are how do we how do we get demographics of the patients that we're serving, the clients that we're serving? what are the person doesn't reveal to us what

they think their their race or ethnicity is. do we make a guess? do some people make a guess based on skin color? is that is that the right thing to do? and other things would be just how we actually and analyze our data once we have it. for example, what does it mean to be . let me look at my notes here. what does it mean to have a community paramedic encounter? right. everybody, all the new community paramedic organizations may be judging that differently. what does it mean to have a walk away? and there's no way that we could actually talk about improving ing health equity unless we're all speaking the same language. so that's what we're doing. we already have over 30 providers throughout california that are signed up to attend the conference and it will be on the campus of san jose state. our

partners in this and we hope to have a year long community of practice so that we can all discuss and have all our data aligned. okay okay, chief, thank you very much. can you remain pleased? i'm going to ask for public comment and then the commissioners will ask questions to director corso and yourself. madam secretary, can we do public comment on this item? there is nobody approaching the podium and nobody on the public comment line. all right, public comment is closed. commissioners, any questions for director corso and chief pang while we have him up here? commissioner yes, i always have a comment. sorry thank you so much. this is really exciting. i think for me, this is in my nerd lane all the way and i really appreciate whoever the care star foundation are. i'm not familiar with them, but it's a terrific program that they have. it looks like from briefly looking at their website, but also this idea of bringing people together

and make some definitions. so that our data makes sense, not just to us, but to across the board with other providers, your colleagues around the state. so congratulations. it's i think it's wonderful. and i'm sure we're all going to fully support it. thank you. thank you. and my mind blanked earlier, but i remembered what i wanted to say. some of the data that we're tracking is police involvement with us. did we ask for police to come or did they ask us if we ask them to come? why was it to help restrain a patient? was it for scene management? did the police use force? these are some of the analyzes that that we want to do in a uniform way. so we all know how how we're doing and how we can improve. okay, commissioner collins, please. great effort. how will the data be shared? that's a very good question. currently ems data has

to be concise and nemesis compliant. these are california state and national databases that all have data elements that have to be that are all uniform but community paramedicine is a very new thing, and we're finding that that there are no applicable, applicable nemesis data points for what we are currently tracking. and so we want to make sure going forward that that we are able to suggest to nemesis what what needs to be tracked and how we've had several conversations with with the state and national leadership and for campsis and nemesis and it turns out that they don't have any ideas, that they themselves don't know how they want us to share our data. so that's one of the things that

we'll be working on. so that sounds like a big opportunity. i think it is, yes. thank you. okay thank you very much. vice president morgan. yeah, chief pang, how many like other counties or other cities in the bay area are going to be involved in this convention or event? the round ballpark figure ? well, i know that we already have over 30 different agencies that have that have submitted applications to attend. we still have a couple of months to go, so hopefully we'll have, you know, well over 50. okay all right. well, i just want to commend you guys on this grant and congratulate you this. this organization is very impressive. we're really blessed to get this grant cast. i guess they sold the company and started a non profit organization. that's right. my understanding, which i

think is going to be imperfect, i think there was a company called reach, which or was it cal star. thanks thanks, chief. cal star company. that helicopter transport for medical patients i believe they were sold and part of the part of the process that they had to start this foundation to support ems and community paramedics. and as it turns out, care star is a very big advocate for community paramedicine and have been supporting us for several years. right, right. yeah, that's that's a real, real good deal. i'm really impressed with them. and are they still in business or under that name? i'm not certain. oh, okay. well, thank god for the nonprofit organization that they set up. i guess they made a lot of money on that. and we can benefit from the grant and i just want to

commend you guys for applying for the grant and all the great, you know, correspondence that you had to go through to get the grant approved. and it looks very impressive. and it's just all good news. i would love to urge the board of supervisors to accept this. grant thank you. thank you very much. vice president morgan. i just have one singular question to yourself and director corso. the grant value is at 125,000. is that a sufficient amount to pull off this? i, i believe it is. i certainly hope it is. it's a one day event followed by probably many teams and zoom meetings afterwards. so i think that should be enough. okay. i just wanted to make sure you're covered more than that. again one of my questions about outreach teams in the most recent audit, not referring to our team, is very often the public doesn't know the

difference between the public health outreach team and our outreach team. you know, to me, i'm just making my comment that our outreach team and crisis team, i know the expertise that goes beyond behind that and the management and the administration often. so this conference that you're talking about gathering all of this information lens, to me, some real strong evidence of how strong we are. san francisco fire department in the paramedicine in terms of how we're trying to approach this. so i'm looking for that clear definition so that, again, the public can understand the definition. they're not talking about us in terms of mismanagement or weak management. it's a differentiation and a big differentiation. so thank you very much for that, commissioners. this is an action item. mr. corso was there a motion? commissioner frazier, on this? sure, i'll move that we that we support the grant acceptance from star for this conference. yeah. second, second

that we urge the board of supervisors to support this grant. yeah okay. thank you very much. vice president morgan, also commissioner eisner, thank you for that. and president nakajo, how do you vote? i vote i and commissioner feinstein, how do you vote? and commissioner collins, how do you vote? hi. the motion is unanimous. thank you very much, mr. corso. thank you, madam secretary. item six public comment on item seven public comment on all matters pertaining to item seven b, including public comment on whether to hold item seven b in closed session. madam secretary, is any public comment on this item? there is nobody approaching the podium and nobody on the public comment line. the comment is closed item seven possible closed session regarding an unmitigated claim vote on whether to conduct item

seven b in closed session. the commission may hear item seven b in closed session pursuant to government code section 54 957 b an administrat of code section 67.10 b. all right, commissioners, we're going to need a motion on this. i'd like. to go ahead. no no. well, with my ear. commissioner feinstein, i heard you first. so is that a motion, commissioner? got a sharp and discussed the matter. okay. and i. vice president morgan. is that a second? i agree. thank you very much, madam secretary. president nakajo, how do you vote? i commissioner frazier, how do you vote? i commissioner collins, how do you vote? i all right. thank you. this we will now go into closed session at okay. we are back in open session and the matter was continued so that the city

attorney's office could correct some verbiage that was in there. hearing statement. and we will now vote vote to elect whether to disclose any or all discussions held in closed session as specified in san francisco administrative code section 67.12, a. i like to make a motion to not to disclose, and i'll second that. that motion. thank you. vice president morgan . commissioner feinstein, president nakajo. how do you vote? vote i commission. frazier how do you vote? and commissioner collins, how do you vote? the motion is unanimous. item six, adjournment it. thank you, madam secretary. commissioners, this meeting is adjourned.

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