>> to order. so, can we have a roll call, please? >> president paulson, here. rivera, here. ajami, here. maxwell, here. stacy, here. you have a quorum. >> i like to announce thament that the san francisco public utilities commission owns and steward of--descendants of the federally recognized mission san hoe say band of alameda county. the sfpuc recognizes that every citizen residing within the greater bay area has and toibs

to benefit from the use and occupation of the oholone tribes aboriginal lands before and after the san francisco public utility commission founding in 1933. it is vitally important we recognize the history of the tribal lands which we reside but acknowledge and honor establishing a working partnership with the sfpuc and productive and flourishing members within san francisco bay area today. okay, so first item, >> item 3, approval of minutes november 28, 2023. >> we will open to public comment? >> any members present to provide comment on the minutes? seeing none. >> seeing none, can i get a motion and second to approve

the minutes of november 28? >> i'll second. >> we have roll call, please? >> paulson, aye. rivera, aye. maxwell, aye. ajami, aye. stacy, aye. you have 5 ayes. >> item 4 is general public comment and madam secretary, can you open that, please? >> members of the public to provide comment on items within the commission jurisdiction and not on today's agenda. please line up on the side and-- mr. decosta. >> my name is francisco decosta and as you know, at one time we could give public comment from home and y'all could this commission could, but the board

of supervisors is not doing it because a few people are saying bad words and stuff like that, but y'all could, but y'all don't do it, so it is a hardship for us to come here to give public comment for mesely two minutes. let me remind y'all that if you take the sewer system improvement project, $6 billion project now heading toward $12 billion, you commissioners should ask how has the community benefited from all this money? i'm going to request a quarterly, if not twice a year a report on the biosolids and

digisters. this was promised to us you do a lot of things and don't pay attention chronologically to the constituents, to the taxpayers and in district 10, a lot of people are suffering, especially the children and the women. and your community benefits that you all agreed to, hasn't touched those who need it most. thank you very much. >> thanks for your comments. any other people to the microphone? okay, seeing none, item 5, please. >> item 5 is citizen advisory

committee annual report. >> good afternoon president paulson, commissioners. thank you president paulson for the invitation to speak about the work cac has bun over the last year. my name is [indiscernible] garcia, serve as the cac chair for the past two years and at the district 9 representative since 2018. i like to [indiscernible] the members rkss the topics the committee engaged and what we look forward working on next year. our committee as many other public bodies had a rocky start as we transitioned to fully in person meetings but we found our stride and all 17 seats on our have appointees. thank you to the board of supervisors, board president and mayor for filling the seats. with 17 members we experience some degree of churn which

bring challenges [indiscernible] and community leaders and some who served on the cac many years. i want to thank all you for taking--speaking with the cac this past year. and i all members were very appreciative of you take thg time to meet with us to hear about our interest to engage on topics we hear about and hear about topics you care about as well. these are the-among the highlights of the year and show the members our work with commission can be collaborative and fruitful. additionally, among other highlights were joint meeting with the southeast commission facility which is wonderful to have me at that facility and engage with that community as well and we also had the opportunity to meet with leadership which is a great value to the cac.

turning to priority for coming year, the top priorities center on capital program implementation, race and customer service, workforce retention and hiring. derive from interest shared from subcommittees and look forward working with you and staff. thank you for all the work you have done on customer assistance program. we have taken that to heart and know rate payers and customers have as well. [indiscernible] without staff from the presenters that come to speak during the regular meetings to engage with members as well as hosting meetings with members outside the regular meetings. there is show us that you care about sharing information, you want to work collaboratively and we can always be

[indiscernible] i want to shout out and thank staff who supports us. lastly, i want to express gratitude to cac members and leadership. vice chair [indiscernible] their dedication insuring our meetings occurring regularly, and members are supporting and rate payers are heard. that concludes my report and happy to answer any questions. >> thank you mr. garcia for your thorough report. i am one of the commissioners who actually had also attended one of your meetings and have to admit, it was just like in some ways public comment on steroids with people that actually do this and sit on the

committee and it was a very fruitful--a hour and very clear this committee under your leadership and other leaders is very engaged in the role this committee has so i want to personally thank you for taking the charge on among the other things you are doing and spending this much attention so i really believe it. i do, just going to say for the record that, each of your leaders had very poignant and concerned questions about whatever area of community or policy that they particularly cared about and it was--i had a very good exchange. i personally did. again, thank you. commissioner stacy. >> thank you. i also wanted to say thank you to the citizens advisory committee for all the work you did. i was there last month and sorry i missed you personally, but it was really impressive committee and very thoughtful questions as president paulson

mentioned, and it is a lot of hard work when you do research on the issues and make decisions about what recommendations you make to the commission and what issues you focus on, so i just really wanted to say thank you and how much i appreciated coming to your meeting and talk with everyone. people had good ideas and good questions and i think i have a few follow up issues that i'll work on and hopefully circle back with you or one of the puc staff to provide the information that was requested, but thank you for all of your work. >> thank you. my apologies for traveling last month so couldn't be there. >> totally understandable. thanks. >> commissioner maxwell. >> i wanted to thank you as well for your civic engagement and also i think it was--did you say you met with the

--leadership? >> we have a relationship going back a couple years now. >> that's really really great. i think we should do something like that as well. and maybe it could be jointly or whatever, but i think that would be a great thing to do, so i want to thank you for thinking about that and really do--i agree with a lot of the points you are making in regards to some of the work we are doing now. i look forward work wg you and thank you again. >> thank you, likewise. >> commissioner ajami. >> yes, i want to actually echo all the comments made and i had the same question about engaging molone more closely. i also want to say, i learned so much being there and really appreciated the very thoughtful and fruitful conversations you guys are having and i do appreciate the relationship we have with you and the entire

team, because there are so many different constitch uents we are serving and so many issues important to many different people and the five of us cannot fully capture everything that needs attention, even though we are trying very hard, so we do appreciate your public service and help you are providing to sfpuc as a whole to more directly connect with communities and engage with them and learn from different experiences. we see you as our extension and we appreciate that. thank you. >> thank you, appreciate that. >> thank you. anymore comments? >> thank you so much. >> thank you mr. garcia. alright. can we open up to public comment? item 5. citizen advisory committee report. >> since you are talking about

the malone, it is good you all respect them when you read out your statement, but i want to bring to your attention- >> this item is for community advisory committee, correct? >> yes. that letters have been sent a long time ago, not only to the mayor, this commission, as to how the protocol has to be adhered to and one of your commissioners has seen me in action in district 10 when it comes to the first people. with climate change and what all you are doing and what all we are doing, we have to

respect mother earth, and when you think about mother earth and you think about indigenous people and i can go deep into the subject. the new chair person, charlene and the old chair person, rose mary have done a lot. i'm here to tell you charlene is going to be running for congress in the san jose area. thank you very much. >> thank you. anymore public comments on the citizen advisory committee report? seeing none, let's do the report of the general manager. >> a is quarterly budget staff report from laura bush. >> hi, everyone.

can i please get the slides? so, laura bush acting deputy cfo, puc here to present the first quarter of fy23-24 budget variance report. happy new year for the budget. projecting positive operating results, wastewater, clean powersf but a short fall for water. for water and wastewater revenues projected to be below budget. the budget was adopted [indiscernible] however removed may 2023 as you know. additionally, wholesale [indiscernible] power revenues projected to exceed the budget. large savings are projecting due to higher generation avoiding the need for additional power purchase in

the first quarter. projections for the [indiscernible] also include 100 day plan shut down of [indiscernible] the clean powersf revenue projected to exceed budget due to increase sales and customer enrollment partially off-set by power cost. the year end financial results projected to meet or exceed the target. i'll go into each enterprise detail in the next slide. [indiscernible] as mentioned, the net operating result is projected to be in the negative, $14.6 million. total sources are down by $26.5 million. this is largely driven by removal of the drought surcharge in may 2023 and lower wholesale volume. on the use side, these short-falls are off-set by savings in salaries and benefits, plan contsbution to

general jurfb $5.2 million in debt service savings due to the bond refunding. in wastewater, the net operating result is projected to be $6.9 million to the positive. same story as water. total [indiscernible] down by $22.7 million because of removal of drought surcharge we had been assuming in the budget. on the use side we got savings in salaries and benefit caused by vacancy and $27.8 million in plan general reserve contributions. in power, the net operating result is positive, $38.7 million. this is due to good news on both the [indiscernible] total sources up 12.4. [indiscernible] that is made up for by increased wholesale power sales up $11.4 million due to higher generation. on the use side, cost savings

of $26.1 million [indiscernible] these are driven by high generation avoiding the need for additional power purchase in the first quarter. last but not least, clean power powersf, positive $52.9 million. this is largely driven by positive variance in sources up $29.8 million due to increased power sales or interest income. on the use side we are seeing higher cost of power purchases, but that is off set by salary benefit savings and plan contribution to general reserve. all financial ratios are on target to meet our policies. that's it. any questions? >> thank you for your report.

it says wholesale revenues projected to exceed the budget due to sales of resource adequacy. can you give a example what that means? >> actually will call on my colleague [indiscernible] >> it saiz combibed with higher generation. >> barbara hail, assistant general manager. resource adequacy is product sold in the market. we are required to purchase this product. it is the capacity to deliver electricity. the product is expensive product on the market when we are able to sell it we get a good price for it. we have ra sales from hetchy system as well as from excess for clean powersf. >> it is a product? >> yeah, it isn't product like you hold in your hand, it is type of electricity, so you can

buy electricity that is flowing so referred to as energy, you can buy the ability to generate electricity if needed, and that's referred to as capacity. it is purchased on a megawatt month is. energy is purchased on megawatt hour so one is actual flower energy and the other the ability to provide that energy. >> adequacy comes in-- >> referred to as resource adequacy i think because it provides for reliability on the system. >> so, it is combined one of those two? >> resource adequacy is that capacity. >> okay. >> measured in megawatt hours. excuse, megawatt month. >> an example of that would be? >> you own a generating facility that is maybe a geothermal facility, you can produce power at the moment

that it is needed. you make a commitment to a purchaser you will if they need you. you don't actually produce the power unless they say, now please. okay? >> yes, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> commissioner ajami. >> before you go, can i ask a fallow up question? so i was wondering if you end up on that capacity side, if you end up reserving capacity for someone and then they call on it and you are using that capacity yourself, does that mean we have to go to the market and buy [indiscernible] while giving that to them? >> yes. as a matter of practice you shouldn't commit to two uses, right? we shouldn't be selling capacity to others that we think we need, right? >> yes. >> so, we shouldn't have made

the commitment if the purchaser said now please, and we are like, sorry we can't. we are not meeting our contractual obligation, and there are penalties and consequences within the contract as well as within the regulatory construct. >> got it. thank you. >> i actually-my comment maybe to you but maybe also to mr. herrera, i brought this up a few times, looking at the water budget it reminded me maybe i should bring this back again. we really do need to think about the decoupling our rates to make sure every given time we have enough revenue to meet fixed cost and we don't end up-i know we are on paper short and sort of managing our budget fine, but i really do think we

should not be dependent on the drought surcharge to capture the reduction in demand and then go back and--because they are not necessarily lining up properly, so my suggestion to you was, and i know just went through the rate process, but my suggestion is, maybe we can hire power rate consultant since they have been doing decoupling forever and ever and they can come and help us rethink the way we do water rate decoupling, because if you hire another water rate consultant, they are going to give you the same thing you already have. the only way to do this is bring somebody who has already done it in another sector and think about how we can revisit how we do water rates and how we can avoid this situation. that doesn't guarantee us being

in the situation, but in reduces this uncertainty we are dealing with at any given time. thank you. >> commissioner stacy. >> thank you for a thorough detailed report. i have just a couple of fairly simple questions. on your appendix a, there is a line item for department transfer adjustment and then appendix b, c and d talk another line item for services of other departments. could you expand a little bit on what those are, please? >> yes, the first mentioned is about $46 million in water budget. that is also known as the hetchy transfer. that is the amount the water department [indiscernible] to cover the cost of providing water. you'll see the opposite side of that transaction in hetch hetchy water power budget

report. service of other department known as work orders or interdepartmental services, those are costs we pay to other departments within the city for services they provide. examples would be city attorney, department of human resources, department of technology, myriad different work orders. >> public works? >> exactly. >> okay, thank you. >> great. any other questions from commissioners? or comments? okay. seeing none, open this to public comment. >> thank you. >> thank you very much for that thorough report. >> do we have members to provide comment on item 6a, the quarterly budget report? seeing none, public comment on 6a is closed. >> item b, water enterprise capital improvement program quarterly report. katie miller will be

presenting. >> we have a power point. >> thank you commissioners. good afternoon president paulson, vice president rivera and commissioners. happy to be here today. katie miller, director of water capital programs and if i can have the slides. thank you. today i'm presenting update on the water enterprise capital improvement program the end of first quarter fiscal year 23-24 from july 1 to september 30, 2023. begin wg the first quarter of fiscal year 23-24, the program resets and adopts the project budget and schedules approved by the commission on february 14, 2023, and subsequently approved by the board of supervisors. the program is referred to as 2023 water enterprise cip and includes projects with budgets greater then $5 million. the regional water enterprise consist of 25 projects with 23

carried forward and continuing from last fiscal year. two projects added to the program because the budget increased to greater then $5 million, and two projects removed from the program since they were completed. carried forward all 11 existing continuing project jz added two existing projects not previously reported. these pie charts show the status of the 38 projects in the program with budget of $3.1 billion. as you see the projects between pree construction and construction. expenditures were about $1 billion or 33 percent of the budget expended. this table shows the summary of program costs forecast by category for all active projects. because the budget and schedules were reset to the

february 2023 approved budget and schedules, there are very few variances. the $17 million variance within the watershed lands management is due to two projects. the san andres service road carried forward cost variance of $6 million from last quarter. a independent structural review of the 100 percent drawings resulted in more stringent requires for deeper piles and longer construction duration was recommended. and this was reported in the last quarterly report. the southern sky line bay ridge trail extension has a new cost variance this quarter of about $11 million. $10.2 million of this is due to base construction bids that exceeded the project construction budget and remaining approximately $800 thousand is due to higher environmental compliance and construction management costs.

the project team was aware the project costs might exceed approved construction budget and bid items for the primary 4 miles of trail scope was included in the base bid and remaining 2 miles of trail and other supporting facilities were included as additive alternatives bid items to be add ed to the contract later if and when more budget could be made available. it should be noted 3 out of the 4 bids received were closely clustered around the $20.5 million base bid scope, therefore staff are confident the bid prices are competitive. water enterprise has now found available budget within the same authority and will be adding funding to the project in order to complete all of the work and this will be a change order to the contract. your approval will be requested for this in the near future meeting.

this pie chart shows current approved budget for 25 regional projects in each phase of the program. during the quarter 2 projects moved to the bid award phase. now i'll share a couple project highlights. the water treatment plant o zone project during the reporting period the 100 percent design package finalized and 100 cost estimate performed and that project is now currently advertised. an amendment to the 2009 water treatment plant expansion and treated water reservoir environmental impact report was completed. the construction contract was advertised for bids. the sunol [indiscernible] since approved budget is greatser then $5 million. initiated in 2019, the facility improvement project will upgrade chemical feed systems for disinfection, ph control

and fluoride addition to hetch hetchy at the alameda siphon and approve for waters to be discharged. the project is completed the 100 percent design documents and being prepared for advertisement. during this quarter, the commission approved a sole source recommendation for chemical injection pumps required for the project and we thank you for that. the construction contract for the hairy tracey water treatment plant filter under drain replacement was completed. the drains have been turned over to operations and in full usage which is critical since we are currently operating the hairy tracey treatment plant at about 60 million gallons per day during this 100 day winter shut down of the hetch hetchy system. the mill bray security upgrade

was added. initiated in 2019 funds security and improvement such as fencing, video surveillance and alarm systems. the contract documents are 100 percent design completion and finalized for advertisement. for the local water enterprise cip projects, the current approved budget for the 13 local projects has total value of $1.5 billion. the majority of the projects are in construction and multiple phases. and just couple highlights on projecktds. the lead component service project is newly reported in 2023 local water enterprise cip. this was initiated in 2021 in response to 2016 senate bill 1398 that requires public water systems to submit inventory of

known user service lines made of lead and or unknown materials. the sfpuc replaced all known lead components and pipes in the 1980 , there are 10 thousand service lines with unknown materials and 4500 services lines galvanized steel where there is a small chance there is a lead material connection to the meter. city staff perform site investigations to confirm materials and finding much lower numbers of galvanized service lines. it is estimated 1300 services need to be replaced mptd the city distribution division and water quality bureau staff with support from contractor for street excavation and restoration performing the work in-house. during the past quarter, 184 water service lines were replaced during the quarter and about 200 are planned for this current quarter.

the cost per service replacement is estimated about $5600 per replacement. the reservoir roof tank coating project is also newly reported in 2023 local water enterprise cip. funds replacement of exterior coatings on all san francisco water reservoirs and tanks. coating typically last 10 years in san francisco harsh marine environment and many reservoir roofs and tank coatings are in need of replacement. previously considered r & r project, the cost for replacement is significant such as university mound with estimated cost of $6 million. university mound basement coating replacement is fast-tracked in advance of instillation of solar panel facility by the power enterprise [indiscernible] master plan will be performed next year to help prioritize

the remaining coatings work. and finally, the emergency firefighter water system pipeline project completed construction on 19th avenue. the supply project construction neared completion training of operation staff extends the project through december. this photo shows completed enclosure instillation for the efws at dell brook in midtown town neighborhood. with that, happy to answer any questions. >> great. thank you. i have a couple questions. or actually simple one. the blue tower the one you are going to recoat? >> yes. that is the legraund tank. >> okay. thanks. i had question if we can go back to the regional report. i want you to summarize because it went too fast for me or too

fast in general. this is change order that will come back to us based on some stuff you anticipated but significant enough you opponented it out that has come back. can you tell us quickly what that is attached to? i wanted to flag that. >> happy to. that is for the southern skyline bay ridge trail extension project. and we had lower cost estimate that we were carrying. we had to complete the nepa to obtain a caltrans grant for the project which extended the project about a year, so when we did finally get to advertising it for bids,b the bids were much higher then expected. we knew that we probably didn't have enough money in the current budget. we suspected that, so we broke it into a base bid with the 4 miles of the project scope and added alternate bid items we come back and add later as a

change order once we had secured funding. that is what we are now doing. we awarded the project. you all awarded the project for the base bid and now come back to you with a change order to. we will be able to build the 6 miles of the project. >> this was the added miles that finally came on boards once the bids went out? >> that is correct. the good news since we put as alternate bid item we have a price on it and it was competitively bid so not a change order that is whatever the contractor wants. >> thank you for revisiting that. supervisor maxwell. >> i just want to make sure the tower is the same color? >> absolutely. we love that color. >> puc blue. anymore questions for mrs. miller? okay. thank you very much for that report and if we can open this up to public comment.

>> any members provide comment on item 6b? >> this is a very good presentation in general. i would like the general manager and the commission to focus on the bayview hunters point. there are many, i repeat, many homes that have lead pipes. it is easy to say and make general statements, but it is quite another thing to first locate the homes and then do something about it, because with the water system

improvement project and the sewer system improvement project, there is a lot of

>> steve ritchie, assistant op. i want to let you know the commission is recommending the board approve the settlement for item 15 and no other action in closed session. i need a motion whether to

disclose discussions pursuant during the closed session. >> move to not disclose. >> second? >> second. >> roll call, gned by president- >> it took the devastating 1906 earthquake and fire and 500 city blocks burning to the ground for the people of san francisco to realize they had an inadequate water supply. >> the earthquake allowed nation

sin a neuropathy for san francisco. whatever this stricken city wants as a country, we should help them with it. >> years before, mayor james feland explored the sierra for a source of water for a city run water utility. his search led him to a pristine valley along the tuolumne river. >> hetch hetchy valley seemed to be the obvious place for this. it had steep perpendicular walls, 2500 feet and a flat floor. all you would have to do is put a dam across it. >> however, hetch hetchy was in yosemite national park and in order to build the proposed system, san francisco needed federal permission. jon mural opposed the dam and blocked progress for years but in 1913, congressman john from money george would clear the way. signed by president wood row

wilson, it created a relationship between yosemite national park and the city of san francisco that continues to this day. >> take them to the -- it's an imperative for collaboration with the national park service and the forest service for our ongoing work as well as maintenance projects and capital improvement projects. >> we have a strong partnership with the national park service aimed at protection of the watershed, it's for the natural values for it, and wilderness area for the park service and protection of water quality. >> for a century now, this dam in a national park brought fresh water to the san francisco bay area which shared stewardship, it will continue to do so for generations to come. >> this will is the moment. it's made possible open session. i want to let you know the

commission is recommending the board approve the settlement for item 15 and no other action in closed session. i need a motion whether to disclose discussions pursuant during the closed session. >> move to not disclose. >> second? >> second. >> roll call, please. [roll call] >> five ayes. >> we shall now adjourn being no further business. thank you everyone. [meeting adjourned] gned by pr-

>> it took the devastating 1906 earthquake and fire and 500 city blocks burning to the ground for the people of san francisco to realize they had an inadequate water supply. >> the earthquake allowed nation

sin a neuropathy for san francisco. whatever this stricken city wants as a country, we should help them with it. >> years before, mayor james feland explored the sierra for a source of water for a city run water utility. his search led him to a pristine valley along the tuolumne river. >> hetch hetchy valley seemed to be the obvious place for this. it had steep perpendicular walls, 2500 feet and a flat floor. all you would have to do is put a dam across it. >> however, hetch hetchy was in yosemite national park and in order to build the proposed system, san francisco needed federal permission. jon mural opposed the dam and blocked progress for years but in 1913, congressman john from money george would clear the way. signed by president wood row wilson, it created a relationship between yosemite

national park and the city of san francisco that continues to this day. >> take them to the -- it's an imperative for collaboration with the national park service and the forest service for our ongoing work as well as maintenance projects and capital improvement projects. >> we have a strong partnership with the national park service aimed at protection of the watershed, it's for the natural values for it, and wilderness area for the park service and protection of water quality. >> for a century now, this dam in a national park brought fresh water to the san francisco bay area which shared stewardship, it will continue to do so for generations to come. >> this will is the moment. it's made possible >> shared spaces have transformed san francisco's adjacent sidewalks, local

business communities are more resilient and their neighborhood centers are more vibrant and mildly. sidewalks and parking lanes can be used for outdoor seating, dining, merchandising, and other community activities. we're counting on operators of shared spaces to ensure their sites are safe and accessible for all. people with disabilities enjoy all types of spaces. please provide at least 8 feet of open uninterrupted sidewalk so everyone can get through. sidewalk diverter let those who have low vision navigate through dining and other activity areas on the sidewalk. these devices are rectangular planters or boxes that are placed on the sidewalk at the ends of each shared space and need to be at least 12 inches wide and 24 inches long and 30 inches tall. they can be on wheels to make it easy to bring in and out at the start and the end of each day. but

during business hours, they should be stationary and secure. please provide at least one wheelchair accessible dining table in your shared space so the disability people can patronize your business. to ensure that wheelchair users can get to the wheelchair accessible area in the park area, provide an adequate ramp or parklet ramps are even with the curb. nobody wants to trip or get stuck. cable covers or cable ramps can create tripping hazards and difficulties for wheelchair users so they are not permitted on sidewalks. instead, electrical cables should run overhead at least ten feet above sidewalk. these updates to the shared spaces program will help to ensure safety and

accessibility for everyone, so that we can all enjoy these public spaces. more information is available at sf.govt/shared spaces. in fire prevention. i'm very happy at fire prevention because not only am i able to enforce the code and make changes to help the citizen of san francisco be safe in their homes or place of business, but i think my work also make sure that my fellow firefighters and first responders, when they respond to a fire, the building is also safe for them. >> you're watching san francisco rising with chris manners. today's special guest is brooke jenkins. >> hi, i'm chris manners and you are watchs san francisco rising, the show about restarting rebuilding and reimagining our city. ourguest san francisco district attorney brooke jenkins here to talk about theopeioid crisis, criminal justice and more. >> thank you so much for having me. >> thank you for being here. let's start with organized restale threft. some jurisdictions across the

country imposed most of the punishment against people shop lifting in groups but that may be applied disproportionately to epipooal and doesn't address the organization behind it all. how can we make sure both prosecute the ring leaders behind the crimes and make sure justice is handed out eveningly? >> making sure we get to the higher level of organizations in the organized retail threrft area so that is something myophilus is very much focused on working the police department on. looking at organized retail threat ringzsx but we have to make sure people are being caught who have stealing and that is a big challenge in the sit a so we have worked with retailers and small business owners to insure the necessary protocols and procedures are in place to at the very laest catch people who are stealing because they have been running out of the stores and therefore facing no consequence so we have to start there and trying to do

more with intervention with the youth who are some of the population doing some of the threfts. many stores have turned to not detaining employees stealing oertrying to stop them and that change in procedure lead to making it very difficult for the police department to capture these people stealing. we have been working with them on a change in their protocol going back to the way it used to be done so we can actually have the opportunity to have people face consequences. >> right. so, let's move to the opioid crisis which had a devastating impact across the community and across the country, including san francisco. how can your office help address the issue? >> the main thing is going back to where people feel there is a consequence dealing drugs in the city. we can't treat drug steel dealing as a victimless crime. we have ooverage 2 people dying a day from overdose. there are

victims of this offense so quha what is did is say no longer the case we decriminalizing drug sales in san francisco as the da office. we have to put consequence on the table and insure the most agregiouss sellers so massive quantityties of fentanyl, some enough to kill all most half the city. sometimes with people with wep ens and guns are multiple of cases with fentanyl are treated differently then thoges with small contties so i ask those people detain in custody. we can't have them on the street hours later, but also trying to work with the police department and our city making sure our laws are enforced. it is the only people people suffering from addiction will have a opportunity at recovry. imagine if you are trying to get clean and every 10 steps doin the block you are offered the drug you have been addicted to. it is impossible.

that is one way we are dealing with the supply side and we are taking a different approach on the demand side, which is to say, if people are publicly using drugs over and over again, that we believe we need to intervene in those situations and so the police are citing them and when somebody reaches 3 of the citations, we then file a complaint, but route them into a treatment court to try to help them get help. >> they have a option take treatment or face charges? >> correct. essentially. we of course encourage treatment because that is what these folks need. >> absolutely, absolutely. san francisco is known for being forfront of criminal justice reform with initiatives such as community justice center and restoreative justice, how do you plan to build on the efforts and push for aggressive policies insuring we have a fair system that holds people accountable? >> i have been clear accountability comes in many different forms.

historically, da office used one form and that is incarceration. the way i functioned as a prosecutor over the years is make sure we are finding the appropriate form of accountability for each and every person for their specific circumstance, and so for some people it may be incarceration, others it is treatment and going through behavioral health to stabilize mental health issue. some it is say ing we toopt see you get a job so we require that you go through a trade program so you can get a skill that allows you to take care of yourself in a different way. for me it is investing in those opportunities which requires us to be partnering with community based organizations to identify what programs we can send people to, but i'm very much invested in seeing our collaborative courts, which is what community justice center, drug court, young adult court

seeing those courts thrive and encouraging the lawyers to explore those opportunities. >> right. what role do you think the da office can play addressing the issue of police misconduct and promoting accountability? >> our job is to prosecute police officers when they commit such misconduct and use excessive force in a way that is illegal so we'll continue to maintain that is our job and our position. we prosecute all crime in san francisco, it is not about what your statue is, what your position is or what office you hold. the law will always be our standard. we can't treat differently where they come from, whether they wear a uniform or not, our standard is the law. for me, as a black latino woman it is issue very personal to me. we had a death in police custody in my family that i heard about my entire life. i'm raising two black children including a

black son who you know, i will have to talk about these type of issues as he grows up. i was out raged long before george floyd. the list goes on and on, but as a prosecutor i have to maintain one standard and it is whether somebody according to the law has committed a crime and so that's what we always look at. >> absolutely. finally, what message do you have for the people of san francisco and what you hope to accomplish during your tenure? >> i want the people of san francisco to know i'm committed serving the function the da office was designed to serve which is make sure we promote public safety across san francisco. like i said, we have to have accountability in our city. what we see going on in our streets is the result of people feeling as though there was none. they didn't fear even the police walking by as they were committing a crime because there was a belief that even if you arrest me,

the da office isn't going to do anything that i'm afraid of experiencing, and so we want people to have a healthy fear of what a consequence will be, but i also want san francisco to know we are a da office that stands by the val aoos we have here in san francisco which is second chances, compassion, responsible alternative to incourseeration bought the end of the day accountability has to be what people said back on the street or community in a fashion where they can succeed. every time somebody cycles into the system we are thoughtful what the person needs to get back on their feet and not create another victim in the future. >> quite right. thank you. thank you so much for coming on the show. i really appreciate the time you have given us today. >> thank you. >> that's it for this episode. we'll back for another

shortly. for sfgovtv, i'm television. >> (music). >> hi, i'm - welcome to the to san francisco in-person a roundtable person about important topics we're to be talking about maturing and aging retirement life really, really trying to speak with you all did i. something that i'm trying to

plan for and thinking about every year as i'm working everyday and hoping not to work anymore but go around and introduce yourselves and then let us know if you are retired right now or like what kind of career and starting with crystal clear i'm crystal clear a fourth generation from california and in san francisco. identify himself is pronounced. one way san francisco i taught school educational system in the school indict and educated in san francisco and in 37 years and went to high school and married to my wife sidney and marveled

thirty years and several times because we didn't have the marriage take because of will you get and in cameron house i live currently in sunny does the fogist part of of the city and retired since officially retired from the school district in 2005 and done a lot of community work with the lgbtq+ and focusing on as i get older in intergenerational work trying to create a stronger community corporatively. >> did you like working with education. >> in the 7th grade had an

incredible teacher mrs. burke and from then on i know i was going to be a teacher in 7th grade i became a teacher so no time off. >> okay. dave. >> renderings david today is any one year anniversary of being retired. >> so last september when i retired after serving three presbyterian churches in san francisco and covenant presbyterian and the last one presbyterian church. i originally from colorado and raised our kids in denver but came to san francisco in 2020 went to the seminar to be a presbyterian minister and done that for the last years. >> before i came to california.

>> before i was a baptist minister. >>. thank you. >> jimmy how about yourself. >> i'm jimmy retired in the department of public health in san francisco and served as is deputy director of health and for a sponsor for hiv for all in my work as deputy i retired in 2008, on a friday and monday started at nonprofit another executive director and for four years and came then officially retired retired in 2011, i served obtain community board's and active through retired and they don't seem healthy to me in a lot of ways i knew i wanted to

be healthy i'm a first generation no my family and over 50 years in san francisco and went to la for 5 years. >> (laughter.) >> also. thank you. >> and linda how about yourself. >> good morning linda parker for l t b the founder i have been in california since 1981 came out for graduate school and in for 25 years since i got married i don't consider myself required i created my own business in 2006 and i do leadership development and consulting. and you know, i'm described as a trip threat i worked for apple computer as an

aide and then google when i was in any 40s. which made me a - only two powers of people and google were reporting american and some small percentage anyway, i was 0 unicorn and now i'm still doing my own business at my open pace doing the things i enjoy i serve on a few board's i'll claim as served on a number of board of supervisors over the years because i enjoy working with nonprofit organizations like goodwill and spent a lot of time at goodwill in the center and tried to be an point with my purchase serving admit people and helping people do what

necessary, do and my son is 21 so i learn a lot from him and on social media podium and now i use them god help me. you know, but somewhat row like it or not but have a son that age or child you feel this way too it keeps you current. that's me. >> thank you. >> so let's just start with an easy question. i think that you know, for me think whatever it is odd when i take a vacation i came back how will i get ready to retire to do what i want to do? i was wondering for you all at what age or who moment you start thinking about whether it

is finance or health or like things you do when - that what time or age or moment you have when you think about retirement? >> anyone? >> i think for me it was a natural being in education every summer was a retirement and over september was a renewal so that i had the great principle and pleasure and not teaching summer school but enjoying life you know, progressives and my daughter is an education a psychiatrist and called the golden handcuffs because you have this job you work for a certain amount of time physically and emotional and supervisorial and thin you can relax for a couple of months like a retirement and come back

to say that gave me a lot of practice at taking time off and doing what i needed to do recharging and coming back. >> so you know, i have a different view i signaled about retirement i don't think i ever thought i'd retire someone tell me a long time ago livestock unfolds in three stages and lastly, to safety officer. i coming from school but being a lifetime learner transition and earn bucks and make money and help my family be comfortable i moved into service early in any career service is the work i do and it is you know, whether or not i don't get paid or not a reflection of change in my values how i want to show up in the world and serve and .

>> huh? and if someone wants to pay me that's okay. >> and later on you're working in a field and i came early my family is multi generational i had a wonderful cook was the first black women journalist and worked for the boys and graduated for the university of mini so the so i sat with her and spent the weekend with her and she was in her 90s and passed in when she was 98 she taught me about her life was that meant the impact of that that was her legacy i thought about what will be the legacy so put me on the path of this pretty early. >> for me, i had

(unintelligible). >> for my cousin and brother and sister work and came to and went to work (microphone distorted) always had a formation about work i thought about retirement seriously in 2008, and was in financial health eda is came out with that idea you were from the hi paid will give you three years in aid and three years of service i decided to retire in 2008, as of the offer but more - because maybe three years older gave more service i retired based on that fact and also knew that um, and public health was

hard the next a place was the health direct i knew that was not going to happen. >> as is i moved into my 70s a couple of years ago my wife of 50 years have you thought about retiring yet? i said no, i'm not ready to retire i feel like i have something to say still. writing a sermon every week for example, and also i don't know if i can afford so i'll keep on working until i can't anymore and one day i had a oh, huh? moment maybe i said what i had to say and consider setting that aside and not making that my

main thing but also, we realized that in the time we left in my live things we wanted to do travel and seeing friends in different places around the world we have done a little bit before but want to do much more and shift gears and do those kinds of things. and so about a year about two years ago i started thinking more and more what retirement will look like and being at a financial thing the pension, benefits from my presbyterian church and social security and things like that and doing in on figuring out that and i think we can doe this and however like two weeks after i retired i missed writing so i

upgrade back to writing but also realized that i enjoyed doing what was was doing and right now that is temporary for the pastors so kind like the flexibility of this going to colorado in a couple of weeks and going to go to new zealand in the winter that freedom makes a big difference. >> i want to ask you know, obviously we're sort of after post covid when that happened it go obviously did that give you an inch to do more and maybe my health i need to slow down and not do as much. did covid slow down i know for my mom she was

like more fearless she's like i don't want to be occupied up and made many light bulb moment my life is shorter now and i should do more. >> well covid wasn't have that made me crazy i'm anyone that likes traffic and get out of country every year and i literally community-based nuts so the ability to traffic but i started taking long walks in the park near where i live in the bayview and kicking with nature and took up mediation the two things that saved me confined you know, would have been too much for me. >> i'm glad that is something that is very popular.

>> yes. >> covid for me was a really looking at what had is important in our lives and any mother um, was one hundred and 4 i - she was one of the pioneers and had to maintain her life she was independent until she was one hundred in check up walking around and doing her grocery shopping we had to visit her and help her out with groceries that made us less carefully we had to go out and no choice but started delivering my partner and i started delivering totes seniors and a lot of people were more

senior than we were we of the they needed the help and actually, we needed to do that and the fact we are very careful and therefore, be it resolved never caught covid 19 neither one of us did but able to take care of other folks we didn't stop but my mom showed us that you know, she was fierce in her on ways and lived life show kept going. >> for me, i run. so i had an opportunity to run in my neighborhood in outer mission and st. mary's park i run in that area and go run look the marina and got me out six the house and i got to know people

had the connection i run a few times a week and run 7 mile and so that for me is the way i dealt with covid by having been a health professional and working with hiv and aids i saw a lot of loss families destroyed in some cases so some way that is a - i was able to recognize what did i need to be helpful for other folks and take care of me when it comas to helping other folks i'm helping them and it is not about me by about them. >> i like what you say. >> i like what you say about getting out and running i hate running though (laughter) but that's one of the things i realized and now in retirement

is i really got sedentary in covid and sat around a lot and today, i'm finding that hard to maturity myself to get out and do stuff let's take a walk well. okay. but when i do it i'm glad but having to unlearn that as well as that sedentary lifestyle. >> but the health thing identifying is very important and we have to pay attention to that no doubt about. >> that taser into a what i was going to say one of my coping thing is music i started a church, i went to church and was the one that was singing that day she sank we can be kind. and so i started a play

list called we can be kind so the music is note just the music i sing but dance also i have but with 24 plays listed one is room makes sense and resistance and one is sexy whatever. but anyway, i find i love to sing and caps to the music and reminds me when i was a teenager in the song and now, whatever we connect to my heart and my memories and the words of the music i think is good because i understand people with dementia can play and song and will remember the words; right? and the mules memory of the brain i think the music and the rediscovering music and reclaiming it in my life was

huge and got me off the couple i didn't care before if people were looking at me before. (laughter). >> that's serious. >> one of the things we need the i'm part of the seniors drumming group i am we started zoom in covid but you can't drum during covid you're off and nobody can hear you, we met in the park and 10 feet away from each other and 20 people drumming that is the connection with people the we're far away and keep a distance really kept us going and in a year we began drumming in the park that was really, really wonderful and kept us sane actually. >> that is interesting that

like i guess you know, we're hearing stories that made you help more people during the time like you know, downtime versus like i guess the notion that we need to help you know, the older people during covid and actually you stepped out and helped other people and you're like not about me but everything else and it is good you do that. >> one of the most important things health wise to be with people. loneliness will be continue to be a really, really bad thing for our society and in america. more and more people are living by themselves without connections to other people and we need to find ways to get out of that kind of thinking and with people despite our concerns

about infection disease the downsize to that to that. >> and a - and the - about $24 million a year to nonprofits in san francisco and population is interested in serving older adults we have articulated that population and one of the reasons you said a was welcomeness and isolation and how to help others and providing nonprofit with the resources and some of the nonprofit we funds are doing emergency generational work it is critical for seniors to have interrelationships to the community and for folks to get resources available from us and really have to say we have

to sort of push back against the devices (laughter). >> that you know, caterer us to kind of existence i'm not sure wasn't the solutions are to that. i get sucked into that really easily so how we can do the community in spite of our devices or incorporate them into our lives. >> i want to build on what you said the community because they need to be together is critical and i was conscious of kind of being with my tribe you know, whether that was with my church group or my community groups you know, that i am with. and you know, for better or worse

helping each other we are all in the together for the families i was conscious of you know, keeping our eye on that on my family and you know, my sister one of my sisters has not come through as well, not coming out of the house and she's literally angled 10 years in the last two years of the pandemic. and so i'm conscious of everyone's mental health and the need you call people randomly three years but i pick up the phone and call them now to reconnect and check own all of that i think the conscious rebuilding and row claiming of our community and i know i refer to them as my tribe for whatever reason it is critical coming. >> i'm curious like do you all

have subcontractors with other people regularly lying share whether that is personal stories or advise or more keeping with people. >> absolutely most of my work is gotten ordinarily working professionally has been intergenerational work it is important if i'm aging physically can't do things i mean, we have a daughter that is thirty and as many young people are doing but all my political work and community work is intergenerational and a conscious effort to do that and we learn from each other and especially for e pi young folks need to see they're future can be positive and as elders in the community we're not we are

people see continuous and support and advise and listen and intergenerational work it is building community to cross over and help each other as elders and thanks or things to share as young people ideas and we teach all the technology things i don't know i'm asking how do you do this? so really, really crucial for our survival. >> which was the google a woman over 40 in 2007 i started there and i was on used to be the younger permanent; right? but there was the early and the

group. people over 40 so i had to learn really quickly a crash course in how to stand back and um, be okay with a tower-year-old telling me what to do; right? and i'll say in general you know, please don't tell me what to do i've been around long enough to know what to do but you know, whatever when we think they came out of schools i can learn something in the folks the i thought i hired me for my experience and worrisome and in google nobody looked like me but since then wonderful to have done the work, work in cross generations and having a 21-year-old son was way

a baby boermz but now i'm focused own young people the the other day there was a young african-american woman at another table so fm was getting up to go and this older woman i had a friendship with (laughter) limiting go over they're just to get to know her i feel i - we need each other; right? i know i need the i don't want to put words in your mouth full energy and so i thinking about my son. >> (laughter.) >> yeah and yeah. so, anyway that is really i cherish and a cherish kind of butt the might about elders and you know, one ev my son is surprised i say

yeah on my play list and technology i'm always training people in my age group whatever the thing is to get more experience i like modern elders. >> one of the things i think i like about being a senior now is that i so we have worrisome a life of experiences and i thought about what those experiences mean not just experienced it took a lot about what any life is and find myself writing my memory jars but given all that i realize i have a lot to learn and to have an attitude of continually learn and not just sort of sitting back and

saying i can get but for must new but having go curiosity to learn and the challenging assumes that you know, that i've you know, thought i knew that maybe i don't know but continuing to learn. >> significant thing. >> i was going to ask linda i'm curious were you always out going or talk to strangers before or is that something at an age i don't care what people think of me anymore (laughter). >> what's the benefits of getting older he grew up she i wouldn't talk to strangers and strangers or whatever but at some point i slipped by certainly i got in any 40s and

now, whatever that i want to talk to last night - and you know, you know what that is why i guess part of the essence of life as you get older you're titled to that; right? and people like tony morrison and people you know, just who they are; right? and maybe that came with their age and being elder so i should mention people that are story tellers their life and connect with them and you know, i had those models. >> (multiple voices.) >> and when we approach as elders they sort of see us as harmless. >> right. right (laughter). >> that's true someone is sitting there and- >> (multiple voices). >> coming up to take.

>> you're much more open to. >> my mother was like i said passed at 1 hundred and 4 but a curious person with her life and always said she may with living in north beach the first chinese person an open authoritative but because she was curious this was a really modeling for myself and i feel like elders we just have a we're able to approach 0 anyone and hey how are you? and they're open to take with us.

>> i think for me my challenge and career forced me to be a more public person and away from work i became more quiet and less engaged. so this pierson of being in the room and doing what i needed to do and saying what i needed to do and after a speech people will come up and start talking to me and forced me to engagement and that work into my life i became more and more willing to talk to folks because they didn't know me. and when i was doing my that public health work and - but i a group of people sometimes large and maul groups of people i needed to

engage with them. >> which i found myself doing from the pull petty had things to say to people and i learned how to be you know, a public person with whatever congregation i was working with but sometimes would hold back in the morning that kind of thing and it takes a lot of energy to be up front you know, and so but then once i would get through it reluctance to be engaged always wonderful conversations that people seem to joy. seems even any grandchildren bus that's pretty rare they enjoy my conversation (laughter). >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> okay. so i want to kind of

do in rapid fire questions with short answers or kind of short comments shot out questions to you guarantees. okay. so one question is you guys regret not taking more photos or videos not having great memories documented. >> i have to sort of them out. >> i yep. >> i wish i had taken more of those days you know, and digitally preserved with film cameras. >> yeah. about you guys sleep less and do like what you try to use more time to do stuff. >> it takes more time. >> i sleep more. >> i take a nap every afternoon

(laughter). >> yeah. >> huh? >> that's great. do you see the term seniors or he recalls negative or norm? >> i'm not crazy about the terms but, yeah yeah. >> i agree with that and i'm a modern early which the thing i'm embraced the term he recalls. >> and part of what i am. >> with that do you like to use your senior discount or ask for a senior discount. >> no way (laughter). >> absolutely and what age and what- >> (multiple voices). >> you know. >> (laughter.) >> that's right take my 10 percent. >> do you guys expect people to kind of give i more respect

now you're older like how to listen but there's a seat there and they should get up or open the door for you things like that more respect. >> no, no. >> this is california. >> (laughter) that's a regional thing. >> i'm on the bus someone gets off their seat i'm offended. >> (laughter.) >> you know, i say no i don't need it (laughter). >> i'll take the seat- >> (multiple voices). >> thank them but. >> younger people but don't want them to offer it to me. >> i offer it to older people. >> and birthdays accompany do you have celebrations for each birthdays. >> i'm having two parties 0 would think in southern california and one here.

>> (laughter.) >> 75 a landmark for me. >> (laughter.) >> i have a party every year sometimes in new york or mexico last year. >> i do every 35 years now they don't mean that much laughter. >> that's a party. >> i mean do you think that acknowledging this is good or bad hindrance or - >> i think a hybrid is good people connect through the pandemic and items if we if have you know, zoom and face time and things of that nature we feel isolated but i can call or face times someone across the world and say hello. >> you know, and it is not a big deal i can do it earlier i

agree with three it's good i mean, i guess i get confused my 13-year-old granddaughter no, but that's a good tool. >> my mom had church at one hundred and 4 without leaving the house so attend church on sundays that is really good for her. >> silicon valley and apple and google? addicting it is a downside but putting that it brings us together but is distracts for the notifications but a i see scary i'm trying to stay ahead of that. >> the last one do you think about like your health everyday

like the meals you eat? i don't know the way you move about you know, your day is that like every single kind of step you think about it or month when something happens you'll figure it out. >> i pile there if i don't continue moving i won't you know, i'll stop moving. i think that to me heavily into ti which he and i feel it is need to do that and keep on moving otherwise i'll stop. >> i have two hip replacements one on each side and as soon as as i get back to running that is important but friends in my age group we do 5 minutes and after that (laughter). >> we have to do something else.

>> i'm aware i'm moving more slowly. i don't have as much flexibility as i used to have so i'm trying to - i'm aware of that and trying to move more deliberately. and then also around eating my wildlife's are deliberate how we eat and thinking much more carefully about the nutrition and we pay attention to that. >> the one thing about the. >> well, do nuts (laughter). >> and i'm kind of everything hurts but- >> (multiple voices). >> i community-based what that didn't hurt yesterday why is it hurting today? as we're dancing or whatever it didn't hurt but once you stop yeah. >> so another topic i want to

talk about for me and my culture i know you'll take care of my mom and i am right now but wondering for you who have kids when you were i guess getting up to the retirement or now are you hoping to expect you're kids will take care of you when our older or a hindrance for them to take care of you and trying to figure out a way they won't have that not a problem but a task in our lives how do you feel about that and i don't want my son to take care of me i expect to provide for my niece i don't want to sadly him with that and want to be able to dance at his we can do better or we're

adjourned and if he gets a academy awards he'll help. >> i work with kids in my life and my wife and i have talked about we know we want them in our lives but set up our lives financially we hope we don't need them we'll be able to take care of ourselves and live on our own and t though, come and visit us sour grandkids. >> i feel the same way but 76 years with my enemy which was an incredible experience. and again, i said at one hundred she was still. >> at one hundred and three (unintelligible). >> (laughter.) >> but she taught up us to be independent but i knew

culturally was a gift to take care of her and i want to have my daughter have the independence and trying to set it up we don't have to be. >> you never know you can't plan for that. >> i have 4 kids that live in various parts of the country we talk about buying an r v and spending time at each kids highway in the driveway and they say dad that joke is getting really tired laughter we don't want to move where our kids are to be close to them they can come and see us, we spend our times with friends and have our kids and grandkids in our lives but not relying on that in that

sense. >> so uk i guess i want to ask this as well as far as a topic of like come to your mind like revisit you because of friends or oat family are passed away is that on your mind kind of often or not oven at all? >> every funeral at everyone i learned so much from that legacy i love to hear the stories and talking about the person and celebrated so that's how i processed that i don't think about my own debate but celebrate people what though attributed to the world and i get good are death. >> i think about my own death

celebration my mom we celebrated her life and have several friends on the verge of transitioning but they have taught me that in life i live life until you transition you're not dying i have a celebration you know, we have drag shows and have parties and have like celebrations drumming and i think that is you know, celebrating our lives and before we transition. >> i have to say had i contemplated the idea of retiring one little calculations how many years to do those other things. and retirement will food me so i have been thinking more about when will i die? but yo-yo

want to spend the rest of my life getting ready to die but being engaged in the living and new experiences and will not jump out of open airport or par shutting but i want to living is the significant thing and not just the design. >> i like it reflection my work in hiv and aids spent a lot of time talking about the little things as as opposed to dying i'm ready and continue to be living apartment the quality but not dying but living. >> and we're really, really principles at it table we have a financial resources in education and language and the situation but we can do what we want to

do. so many he recalls and seniors you know, that don't have that. and that's where we focus a lot of our attention others can make the choices we make because they're not in our situation. and people's lives maybe be fairly stable the medical thing hits and it's devastating my friend will have to spend his life in a facility and- >> (multiple voices). >> but its costing them thousands of dollars a month and it is financial butcher is serious. so our healthcare system can an fixed up a little bit better (laughter) and i agree. >> (laughter.) >> i want to quickly mention a tv show about this man that

studied whether that is a high concentration of people living around the older so found 5 places and i only got through two episodes and italy and loma linda and what are the rituals and how are they doing that caused that and coming up with i highly recommend watching it is spirlg i learned about things i can shift with my mind set things. >> we saw last night too. i don't know what podium it is on but result is facilitating and oc no was over one hundred.

>> music was incredibly important part of her life and continues to play and think and keeps you going. >> and people were walking up steps; right? >> (multiple voices) (laughter). >> walking up and down north beach everyday, everyday. >> wow. >> and linda was talking about the legacy leaving it and other milestones that your trying to community church or i feel like for me when i say and talk to my friends and imperative or enemy whatever any milestones you're trying to achieve in the next 10 years. >> a bunch of criticize i want to go to and the big thing to do my memoirs and got to get my

memoirs and my friend says to write my memoirs. >> there's a lot of places we want to visit and have friends in various places of worlds and saw them once 20 year ago and want to see them again but the thing i found the writing was important part of legacy thing i start writing down my life. my working title my life but also realized used to have is experiences need to get back to the history of things going on and in chicago in 1968 and what things were happening and recommending it and - but part of it say, i want to pass it on leave a legacy for my grand children and great grandchildren that is the life i lived and

don't want to leave it but that's what happened (laughter). >> for me, i have a bucket list of travel and absolutely want to go to africa i want to go to africa and go to ghana through the don't ever no return it is important for spiral kind of way to know that my ancestors went through that door and literally turned i wanted to go through the door of no return. and who made it and we survive. >> i guess mine is simpler i want to see the northern light and want a grandchild that is far away i'm already seven 7 my

daughter has no interest at all that but i'm interested in my grandkids i was 50 before had we adopted our daughter from an older parent and we have friends with grandchildren and great grandchildren at the end of the day, if if i go to bed happy and consent and have a connection with friends and family and joy know i've done the best i could that's my milestone. >> jimmy you mentioned wanting to go to guatemalan in a - i came back in 2020 and 6 weeks later we were in lock down and

thank god i went to guatemalan in a and discovered so many things the feeling of seeing people that look like me and have been to beautify music and clothing and just the sense of purpose and close to your here's and americans are a exodus livestock their best lives beating cancer and, you know, having a baby and up and running 7-year-old you know, that's the baby but anyway, that i couldn't do but (laughter) i'm saying reconnecting was amazing i hope to make that trip to georgia in a soon.

>> and lastly for someone i'm in any 40s and is there anything you share to me as advise for my next how many years what i should? any advise for me, i'm sure i can apply it to people younger than me. >> be curious be curious about new things and being willing to embrace new ideas. i find that is really is invigorating and keep drumming. >> (laughter.) >> yeah. >> (laughter.) >> i agree with that stay curious and like keep on swimming swimming in neuro month. >> thank you.

>> if you think that is possible go for that go for that and whenever you go and whatever you achieve will be yours. >> continue don't be afraid to make a major change in our life i decided to become a presbyterian minister at the age of 50 and wonderful 20 plus years and best things i ever did and put aside what i did before that but i think willing to do thing embrace new things at whatever age is a good thing. >> and the last thing to know who you are and who you are all the time and people from a young

age trying to figure out who am i and the sense you are and that; right? and if you want everyone around you to be you. that's where all the joys is. >> engagement is critical energy and family whatever be games spiritual and even with grujz we think we'll get over them (laughter.) >> sometimes you have to let things go a family member in work anymore let it go and say. okay. >> that's the way what it is. >> thank you so much for coming today and i feel like learning and hearing your stories your

life stories is encouraging and people say that it has more meaning what they've done it themselves and what they've done in life and very super inspiring to hear from everyone i'm super, super glad. >> thank you for sharing our stories. >> thank you. >> a new community. >> a new tribe. >> yeah.