pm this is the sheriff's department oversight board meeting, and it's now in session . on behalf of the sheriff's department oversight board, we would like to thank the staff at sf govtv for providing technical assistance to broadcast and record tonight's meeting. you may view tonight's broadcast on cable channel 26. please stand to recite the pledge of allegiance. of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands. one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. so i would like to wish everyone a happy black history month, as well as the month of the lunar new year. uh, gong k fattori um sundeen. yeah ping on and son

taichung hong. thank you. um, so, dan, let's please call the roll. thank you, madam president. member mango. president mango is present. member. bruckner present. bruckner is present. vice president carrion's appears to be running late. member. nguyen, president nguyen is present. member palmer has asked to be excused. president sue. president sue or is present? member wagner present. richter is present. we have a quorum. dan um, is there a motion to. oh, excuse me, is there a motion to excuse member palmer. so moved. i have a second, second. all those in favor? aye opposed? okay. member palmer is excused. dan, are there any announcements? yes for the board of supervisors filed 231020. and by instruction of the mayor,

remote public comment has been discontinued. if you wish to make public comment, you are welcome to attend the meeting in person. to do so, when public comment is called during each line item, the public is welcome to address the board for up to two minutes on that line. item there will be general comment at the end in the meeting for items that do not appear on this afternoon's agenda, but are within the subject matter of the sheriff's department oversight board comments or opportunities to speak during public comment period are available for members of the public who are present in person by approaching the podium when it is free, you will have two minutes to provide public comment. the first tone will alert you that you have 30s to complete your public comment. the second tone will alert you that you have. your two minutes are up. that's the end of announcements. okay. thank you. um, and the first agenda item i'm calling light item one adoption of minutes. action item review and approve the minutes from the sheriff's department oversight board. regular meeting held on january 5th, 2020 for. a

motion to adopt the minutes from january fifth. do i have a second? i second. for members of the public would like to make public comment on line item one adoption of minutes. please approach the podium when it is free. there appears to be no public comment calling the role on the adoption of minutes. member domingo. i flamengo is i member procter i procter is i member nguyen i winn is i member president su i su is i member wechter i vector is i. the motion passes the minutes from the january fifth, 2024 meeting and are adopted. thank you dan.

next agenda item please calling light item two. introduction and welcome the inspector general information. an informational item. the board welcomes inspector general terry wiley to the sheriff's department oversight board. ig wiley will appear and introduce himself to the board and the public. welcome, inspector general wiley, thank you so much. um, it is absolutely my honor to be here, uh, and to have been appointed, uh, the inaugural, uh, inspector general of san francisco. so, um, it has been a, uh, very busy process from day one. uh, as we try to organize the inspector general's office, uh, i want to thank each and every board member for your support. support? uh, i think that we are going to build a tremendous office of the inspector general. um, we have a

lot of work ahead of us. uh, already, i have some very, very good people around me. uh, i do want to cite marshall kind, uh, who has just done a tremendous job assisting me with, uh, beginning this effort and i feel real good about, uh, where we're headed. and uh, i think, uh, we're going to be able to do some really good work. uh, i've already met with the sheriff, and we had a great discussion on. and i'm just looking forward to every day. i look forward to coming to work and meeting the day's challenge. so um, thank you for your support and, uh, you know, we just we continued where we will be moving forward. thank you. and i wanted to say inspector general started, uh, working the day he got sworn in. so his appointment wasn't effective until january eighth. so we appreciate you. um, just out of the starting gates. he

intends to meet with each individual board member. so if you haven't met with him, look forward to meeting individually with inspector wiley. um, we've also been working on the budget, so just wanted to flag that we will have the second budget hearing on valentine's day. that is the statutory deadline where we have to meet. and so this is going to be a difficult budget season. so if you can attend the meeting, i would really encourage every board member to attend. we need to really fight for the dollars to get, um, to do what we really want to do. so so um, with that, i know your schedule is tight and you do have another meeting. yes. uh, unfortunately, i have been asked to be the keynote speaker for the city of san jose's, uh, black history month program. and so i've got a jet down to san jose and give the keynote address, uh, in san jose for their, uh, raising the flag and, uh, and the opening of black history month in san jose. thank you. we look forward to working with you. okay. thank you. have

any public comments for members of the public who would like to make public comment on line? item two introduction. and welcome to the inspector general. please approach the podium when it is free. there appears to be no public comment. thank you. um, so on the next agenda item, we have a presentation from the public defender's office. unfortunately i got noticed that the person who was going to make the presentation is not available. so we hope to have of angela chan next month. um, so we had been back and forth since december, and i personally was in contact with, um, the public defender, manu raju, as well as his chief deputy, matt gonzalez. so that gives us a little bit more time for the next agenda item. um, um, so, dan, would you call the next agenda item? yes,

madam president, calling line item four, present action from the reentry community. informational item cedric akbar will be making a presentation on services prior to reentry. educational opportunities, apprenticeships and job training and support services on reentry. well, good afternoon and, uh, thank you for inviting me here. and i have to be, uh, i was a little confused because at first someone told me to come and tell my story. and then when i looked at the agenda, it was, uh, different from what, uh, was explained to me. but i can do both. um have a long history with the san francisco sheriff's department going all the way back to michael markham and sunny swartz and, uh, one thing i can say is that that, um, they

allowed us. well, at the time was the northern california service league, but we were working under it. some founding members of the organization. i'm from positive direction. so it was change to allow us to open up a road to recovery. and at that time, it was in the annex and it was only from 9:00 to 12 noon. and it has come a long way since then. um, positive direction equals change. we've been around since 1993, and we were a group of african-american men at the time that came out of prison. and and from substance abuse programs. james didn't know how to live a life. and we pulled ourselves together in to form our own support group to be able to manage our life outside into the world. and teaching each other, uh, walking through the process of being parents, being responsible and just being accountable to our community.

and from that, we wanted to give back to our community. and we started, um, by going to the, um , the youth centers in san francisco and alameda county. and from that we started doing a group called the gathering every friday night that's been going on since 1993. and it was open to the public. and then we used to call it one thing that we help people assist people in what ever it is. the need was in our communities. we wanted to just stress on substance use, but coming out office was in bayview, hunters point. so when miss, uh, miss lee might come in and say, i got to pay my pg and e bill and she has the money, but she has the wherewithal to get there, we can go online and sure how to do it. we became after care for kids this is how we started domestic violence classes when people wanted to go to a domestic violence class in

their community and started women's domestic violence classes because for some reason, an african-american community, a lot of black women would get charged with domestic violence as being the offenders. and what we found in even in those situations is that families still stayed together, which went against the norm, and we had to find a way to be able to make sure that the children were safe. in the meantime. um, so today we have an array of services available. um during the pandemic, or just about the end of it, we were able to open three programs here in the city. um, the first one was trp academy, which is a 65 bed rest treatment and this one is total abstinence based program, which was a hard fight in the city of san francisco due to harm reduction. but i just we always felt that it was needs a balance

and that 65 males and we also opened up the billie holiday center, which we always felt was a need. billie holiday center is a, um, it's let me see. they wanted to call it a navigation center, but my thing was having it more of being helpful in the situation of bringing people directly off the street and be able to come get a bed, get some rest, eat, take a shower, get some clean clothes, and then after that, be able to decide what you want to do. and what we call it was a stabilization center and that way they can go get on their meds that they need medication, go to the medical doctor and get all the help they need. it's a 30 bed facility and it stays full at all times and people can come. at first it started off as a referral process, but for me personally,

i like for people to be able to just walk up to the door and knock on the door and be able to access when needed. uh, the other one we opened was the mentor project, which is a 75 bed facility, which was mental health and substance abuse. and we do that in collaboration with citywide forensics and part of that is dfu. also as part of the funding in that particular process. but most of our programs is through adult probation. and with that particular program. um it's a transitional housing where a person can stay up to two years and to be able to get themselves their life together. all of our programs are structured, structured, very structured, um, we don't allow youth in the program. if you use you go to billie holiday or may go to another level of care in our system. and just at this, well, december, we just opened up a, a

women's trp that's on ten harlem and it's a 40 bed facility for all women. that's they don't have to be just as involved. you just come and it's for women and children. so those services are available for people. um, we have been working also with the sheriff's department, with the nova program since 2006, and the nova program has been a program that's almost kind of like a best kept secret today, but assisting individuals that are coming out of custody. we meet them in custody to be able to talk with them and come up with a plan of how they would choose to live. it's a voluntary program. you're not forced to be in it. you can come in or leave at any point that you choose to, and it offers transitional housing in which we have about 4

or 5 transitional houses, three in bayview and two in fillmore, that people have access to. and depends on what community or person can go to. and it's not in most not drug infested areas. um and even with those, we have curfews. we, we have structure and people have to attend classes and also save their money and get their lives together. so, um, but the most important thing i just wanted to say is to this panel today is that i know budget cuts are coming up in the city, but i really ask that you continue you to support at least the nova program because it has so saved so many lives and it's great because what we do is meet people upon release, as soon as they get out, we're there to meet them and to be able to take them to whatever destiny it is. if they choose not to have

housing, you still can get the case management services, and it's also funds attached to it. they need boots to be able to go to work. this is the first program and this is what i love about it. the money is not going to the agency per se. it pays the employees, but it goes to the clients. and that's where which is so important. and we really do not want to lose that, especially in this time. um, so that's my presentation to any questions. so cedric, before we have your other colleagues and some questions for you, just wanted you to touch a little bit about your personal story. um, what what you believe. yes. so wasn't listening to okay. asked you about your what what i what made you what made you successful and because you do meet people prior to reentry, what kind of services is um, do you see that's more necessary while someone is still incarcerated and transitioning into reentry? and then, uh, additional services that they might need post reentry. okay.

so um, i use heroin for 20 some years and never had a clue about how i was going to stop. and it wasn't until i was like, facing ten years and i said, in a cell by myself. and i was crying, but no tears came out of my eyes. it was just crying. and all i knew was that every time i use heroin, i go to jail. those two went hand in hand, so i just knew i had to stop heroin and i didn't know how i was going to do it. and uh, it was strange. i had cases in every county in the bay area, and my last stop was in marin county, and, uh, i kept asking for a program. um, i don't really i really didn't want a program. i just didn't want to go through ten years and , uh, so i went before the judge . the judge said he was all right with me going to a program. they asked the district attorney, district attorney

said, i love for mr. ackbar to go to a program, but he can do it after he give us the ten years. and my little heart sunk. and from that point on, i just took it upon myself to learn everything i could. because at this particular time it was no training. it was no, uh, rehabilitation or anything like that in prisons. and just going to prison is one of those things that turn on my life, uh, around. and then i went to a program, and when i found i still didn't know how i was going to stay sober. but when i found the brothers in positive directions, it finally clicked on me that i needed to be held accountable. because if i leave myself to my own wishes, i will do what i want to do and once i found that out and i found out that i had to constantly check in with other people, that's when the light came on for me. and what we've i find today, the

need is. for for me, more stabilization centers. we definitely need that because we do the mental health, we do the substance use, but we do not do the things that for medical help for people and what we do is overrun our hospitals. and every time the police and the fire department go pick up somebody and bring them somewhere, even if they can bring them somewhere, they turn around and leave in another hour. so so instead of having what they call them injection sites and i call them shooting galleries or but instead of having those, we need more stabilization centers to be able to balance these things out . we also need more programs that are culturally specific. um, and like whether it be asian, latina, latino, um, they

all need to have basically have their own program. a person can have a choice on which one they go to, but forcing people, people recover in different ways and they recover in their community in different ways. on some parts it's the same early on, but as you grow in it, you want to have the feeling of where you come from, because a lot of times you have to go back to that community. the other thing is something we need immediately is the way the contracts are set up. you want to have, uh, bilingual speaking people, but you don't pay them for their bilingual and that's also a problem because there's non-profits. all we get is a certain line item, and everybody gets the same. but if you're asking a person to translate and do a language for people, they should be paid accordingly. and that's one that nobody ever talks about. but it needs to

happen. and and um, because, uh, it's just like our programs, we have like 30, 40% latino and, and about 20% asian and a lot of times for us, i mean, we communicate, but we still need other people to be able to communicate and translate that information. also so, um, this is a paradigm shift, but it's going to have to be with each one of us. is move so much from all this harm reduction and have a balance because in this city and it's not to, you know, they they give needles, they give foil, they give all these things and which cost a lot of money and we still getting the same results in the streets. and what's funny about the city is that they give away free needles that the city pays for. and taxpayers pay for, but in our programs, we can't have plastic, bottled water. so i be like,

okay, i'm confused, right now. and, um, so i got a litany of things i can go down the list on, but i just believe and it just needs to be a balance of when we go out into the streets and talk to individuals. i'm a true believer in what i try to teach you, and it may not go all the way down to the front line people, but building relationships with people you, i mean, you can't necessarily teach that, but a person has to be able to have that. you get more from a person when you have a relationship with them, they may not do it right then and there, but treating people like human beings instead of like right now, people on the street are really is like a political thing. the people on top continue to make the money while the people on the streets still suffer. and and uh, so that that's what needs to change. but i'm going to stop there because i'm sure i didn't bring anybody

else with me. but i see a lot of my colleagues up in here, so i know they can add some things to when they get a chance to speak. and if they want to use my time, you can feel free. i want to say something because we know each other. we've been fighting for a long time. i've never been to jail. say your name. my name is maggie rivera, and i. i'm from the bay area to the bronx, so i've been on both coasts, so it's pretty much the same problems we suffer in both places. um, cedric had a lot to say because it's true. um i am an intensive reentry case manager. i also speak spanish. it's really hard in custody. um, for our spanish speaking women. because there's a lot of the services are coming in english. so how am i going to know about any services if i can't get past that first step on where they're

at? um, it's just a lot going on right now in san francisco, and i've been doing this for 30 years. i started in the bronx, um, when my aunt was struck by a stray bullet and i went to court every day. and it was a young man that did it. and my anger turned into compassion, um, because i wanted to know what made this young man think that he can do the work that he shouldn't have done. because at the end of the day, when the, um, smoke cleared, it was my aunt who was an amazing woman coming home from work that was struck, not the intended person. um, and that's what made me get into learning about why how everybody has a story. i'm not here to excuse behavior, nor justify it, but there is some behavior that can be explained. and that's what i do. and i do it with the tape. allen, i am

reppinggie rivera along with the agency that i work for, which is community works west. it is a restorative justice, um, organized action that's been in partnership with the sheriff's department for over 25 years. um, we really believe hard about the arts and creating, um, events and activities that take them outside that world so they can say what they want to say without being judged or penalized. if you make a little script about it, then it may not be real, you know? so we work with the arts a lot. we just got a building, um, 986 mission, um, two stories. we got project. what it um, upstairs for the children of incarcerated parents . and downstairs. it's anybody's welcomed. um, we want to partner with anybody that wants to make the city better for everybody. so that's my spiel, and i'll see you next month. thank you, joanna, for inviting you.

to give us the time. hello, everyone. uh, my name is joanna hernandez, and, um, i'm going to definitely speak during public comment. as a parent of a current person who's currently in custody inside san francisco county jail and the lack of services. but i'll use that. my parent talk at the end of the agenda. as a service provider, i work with the latino task force. i'm the chair of the reentry committee, and one of the things that we are seeing is the lack of services inside our san francisco county jails. as we heard cedric story and how programing and getting him the right tools to be successful can help someone stay alive, free. we have more lockdowns than we do programing. we have more

visits with debbie, high staff and behavior issues because they're not letting us in. there is no community access unless the sheriff, the chiefs, they can say, yes, we have programing . here goes our agenda. here goes. that's not what's happening. when you get to the gates at san bruno county jail, aka rikers island, they don't let you in. there is no programing happening. there was about 40 to 50 inmates that were transferred from san bruno, san francisco county jail, 2 to 5 to the annex. and it looks like a concentration camp back there. people are there with lack of services. people don't have, they don't have. they're working on their wi-fi right now. there's always an excuse as to why people are not being served. enough is enough. i just met with the with our district attorney on monday, and she's saying, well, people need to be held accountable. we understand. and i'm someone who believes in accountability, but i also believe in her ability mission. and if we're going to stick people inside our jails to have

for public safety, then let's start working on her visitation and it is the sheriff's office responsibility to help give the community access. we get funding by dcyf, by id, we have outcomes to fulfill, but if we don't have the access to walk in these jails to provide our service so that we can have people stay alive and free, guess what? it's going to be a cycle. people are going to get out and they're going to go back in. as someone who is the director of strategic partnership for pretrial, i see it all the time. we are trying to connect people, but we need access. the sheriff says one thing in his leadership is doing something different. there's a disconnect and i hope i'm so happy that we have someone in charge that's going to come in now with a different lens, and it's not going to be them inspecting themselves. so thank you.

everyone. my name is dakota rose austin. um, she her i'm a trans parolee presently at this time i was incarcerated, um, in the state of california for 26 years. when i was 19 years old, me and two best friends that were also trans. we killed a man in a hotel room. um, um, i did my time and finished my education while i was incarcerated. and when i got out or toward the end of my incarceration, i recognized the indifference of the rehabilitation process by specifically for the trans community. um, and the state facilities, as well as in local like san francisco here. county, um, there's not enough trans representation as far as the instructors for these rehabilitative recourse programs that are trans and coming in. so that the parolees are or inmates that are in the trans community, we can relate to, um, that it matters a whole lot. um, and the

resources as well. yes. there are are reentry programs that are coed. i was placed into a coed program here in san francisco when i got out of prison. 2022 thanksgiving morning. um, the coed program accepted the funds and financing for all the other trans individuals that were considered residents. um, but we were treated more like inmates again. and the treatment came from the lack of understanding, empathy, understanding. and you know, again, the curriculum on working with my demographic. you can't just say, i'll take someone because they're trans and they automatically look at the cloak of the lgbtq community and there's tears in this community, and the trans community is all the way at the bottom. we're not respected in the aspects of when we're placed into these reentry programs. i had to fight, kick and scream to get showers for the girls, shower curtains. um, specify side rooms. there might

be trans individuals that are in a wheelchair that are 88 ada. it was an array of issues that are going on at all of these residences. um, i'm also familiar with one of his as well. the billie holiday, the man akbar. um, and his program does good work. i have some girlfriends that have been through there, but again, these programs don't specify enough for this community. and you can go to the lgbt, q center and all these other resources and, uh, organizations in the city. um they have no relationship with you guys. they can make referrals and that's it. but they don't really have direct relationship to where they can refer something as far as a program, um, specified housing for the trans community. i think there's only one for us. correct in the city, i think. yeah and this is the gay capital of the world, ladies and gentlemen, there's a lot there's a big population of transgender and gay in mates. and so we need

better resources. and i think that we should consider bringing some, some, some, some ideas to the table in conjunction with some of the places that we already have around town. city. now, thank you. good afternoon folks. uh, my name is joshua jacobo. i'm a service provider in the county jail. both three and two. could you repeat your last name and spell it? uh, yeah. jacobo jacobo. first name? joshua but i'm coming to you today as a, um, concerned citizen of san francisco. um, you know, the annex was mentioned earlier with the latino population just really think of the optics of how bad that looks. a certain demographic is just shoved into a back part of the jail. services are limited. um, you know, it's just really tragic. so i just want you guys to

really, really just imagine how bad those optics are. and again, throughout the jail, um, you know, the lockdowns, we might have services for folks and we might be getting somewhere with folks. right we might be, um, progressing in the rehabilitation lockdowns happen, you know, their mental health declines as a part of that. um, and a lot of progress. we're constantly doing two steps forward, one step back, you know, and it's very disheartening to see some of these young men who maybe start to have a few, um, breakthrough moments themselves. and that is just constantly having to be, um , how do i put what word am i looking for? you know, start basically starting over in the rehabilitation. it's very frustrating as a service provider and as a citizen. and if our priority here is safety, right. how are we going to achieve that goal if we're constantly limiting the services that assure that. right. so yeah, and i think one thing, um, yeah, that's it for today. thank you. thank you. do we have

anybody else. yeah. i'm just going to. good afternoon. my name is greta garcia and i'm with the reset justice collaborative for baker here in san francisco. so. i hear this man, mr. akbar, sharing his experience and advocating for programing. is this the right place for me to voice my frustration with the lack of rehabilitation services and programing as a contracted partner? in fact, there are

human rights violations inside the county jail. instead of hiring culturally responsive individuals, they're hire someone with abusive talk, virtuous behavior. what will we do for our people who have voices but are being unheard? thank you. do you have anybody else before i open up to questions and comments from my board members, we'll also have public comment after this item as well. so um, starting with you, um, member go. yeah, i just wanted to thank the speakers for coming up and sharing their experience. um, oftentimes i think we're you asked to share the most traumatic parts of our lives. um amongst strangers just

to prove our credibility. but um . i just want to say thank you. thank you. uh, member nguyen. uh, yes. uh, a question for cedric. um, first of all, thank you for the detail presentation of all the programs. uh, uh, very educational. um regarding the, uh, you mentioned the stabilization, the stable stabilization center was very similar to the navigation center, but you had something more unique than they did. no, no, no, no, i was saying they were trying to call it a navigation center, but i said stabilization centers is what's needed. where you have medical care, mental health services and drug treatment services and a safe place to be where you don't have to have be referred word. you don't have to, you know, go

through a, a assessment process where df is always requiring people to have for people to be able to immediately access a bed at that moment. so basically, the walk in without the referrals, the main. exactly. and you don't have to be just as involved. you don't have to, you know. thank you. appreciate it. okay member. yes, i want to echo what member emanuel said in terms of thanking you for coming forward and speaking so candidly and explained the emotions that you feel very rawly i know how difficult that is. uh, the import of what you're saying are some of the things member palmer and i heard when we visited county jail three in september. um, i do have some specific questions. um, for miss hernandez. you had mentioned, um

, uh, no. no. community access can you give us some specifics about that, about what? what people have been told about, you know, the where is this happening? when is it happening? uh, just to give us a clear sense of what you're talking about, i would say there's just no consistent process. um one day you are able to get access, meaning you're able to go through the clearance process, which was virtually, but now is in person. um, there's just no consistency. i think that the programs department of the sheriff's office needs a lot of help. and, i mean, they have all these 8420s that make over 100 plus thousand a year. i just don't understand what so much manpower. why are we still in this situation? so there's just inconsistency on how someone can get clear to go in the jail to

provide, uh, programing or when you get there to facilitate your class, you're told so sorry, we're not at our minimum. uh the program is canceled, so. so it's just it's up and down. i just give you another example. the latino task force, um, volunteer geared its services during latino heritage month, and we walked into a pod that was called, um, uh, it was a it was a it was a it was a rehabilitation pod. and they were providing substance abuse classes of that pod. it was 46 men. of the 46 men, 20 of them were latino out of the 20 latinos, 19 were from honduras and one was from puerto rico. not none of them spoke english, but the puerto rican, but they were housed in this pod to get rehabilitation services. but none of the staff spoke spanish, so there was no cultural competency. so why not? we have

all these programs that are funded by the department of public public health, by dcyf, by odd. like we can go in there and provide this service, but staff want to be treated with respect. and i'm not saying all deputized staff are not, because i worked in that jail for eight years and i got some some friends who i love very dearly. one just retired chief fisher. deputy bryant for the record, are amazing deputized staff who treat people with humanity. but there are some ones that need some training on how to work with people. so and you also know, said the sheriff, says one thing and his leadership says something else. can you give us examples? and when you say leadership, who who are you referring to? and one reason i'm asking this is that one of the inspector general's, um, most significant authorities will be to conduct audits is to take a systematic look at procedures in the jail, look at data, compare

it, look at best practices. so that's why i'm asking that. and i also want to know what suggest you have or what areas we could ask the inspector general to audit and examine. well i was going to say this during public comment, but i'll just put on, um, noah's grandma hat on. so noah's grandmother, i'm my son, visits that jail to visit my son, who has been incarcerated for seven years. right now in san francisco county jail. we lost 3 to 4 years because of the pandemic, no trials, etc. so we're we're starting over again. i'm here not to say that people don't need to be held accountable. people are being are innocent till proven. my son is innocent till proven guilty. and in that jail. but his visitation with his his son should be a priority. there is the leadership of the department says one thing about parent child visits and the sheriff

says he wants to break generational incarceration and bringing children together. i made a complaint in regards to what happened with my son a couple of weekends ago, because my son's my grandson wanted to use the bathroom and he told his dad, dad, i need to go to the bathroom. so my son got up and said, excuse me, 8420 department of rehabilitation coordinator. my son needs to use the restroom and he told the program staff from one family, they said, the bathrooms right there, my son walks to the bathroom and takes them because he told them where the bathroom was, where my son was supposedly, per the sheriff's office, messed up was he closed the door. they said that the deputy needed to be there with him, and that the program staff needed to be in the bathroom. my grandson does not have a sf number. my grandson does not wear orange. he should not be treated like an inmate and have a deputy watch him use the bathroom. that is unacceptable. it's unacceptable

for volunteer staff from one family to be in a bathroom with a six year old child. so when i sit there and made a complaint or i wouldn't even call it a complaint, i wrote down and vented about what happened because noah said that that the police yelled at his teacher because his daddy took him to the bathroom. so the one family staff were yelled at in front of the inmates in front of the children because she let my son let my grandson use the bathroom. there was no consistency on how they run things. the in-custody chief may say one thing and may want her jail to run a certain way, which i have a lot of respect for her. but the staff under her may do things a lot differently. so that's what i mean, that there's just people run that jail differently. just the parent child visits is they haven't updated their policy in years, years, in years. but because joanna brought it to their attention now they're updating the policy and guess what happens? my son gets in trouble

and gets shipped from k-2 to k-3. and now my grandson has to travel 50 miles to go to san bruno county jail to visit his father because we brought it to their attention. so you can't i know now, today i took a risk. i told my family last night and i told my son i was coming here, i son, i said, son, be ready. they might beat you up. they might take your mail, they might strip you naked. they might hurt you because i'm going to speak up for you, milton. be ready because i'm going to fight for you. so today, today, i'm saying publicly that something might happen to my son because i'm here today. some thing has to give. i get follow the rules. but i hope mr. wiley, he got a big job ahead of him. and i hope that the department, i hope they give him the right budget for the staffing he needs because he has a big job. the sheriff's office has always run like rikers island and runs on, like

a little island on its own. thank you. shamann walton. thank you. because we need it. this i'm very disheartened and concerned to hear that a mother has to feel fearful for her son's treatment because she speaks in a public forum. no one should have to fear speaking out and telling the truth. um, so i'm i'm very disturbed to hear that, um, um, i don't know if you can speak, but mr. garcia talked about human rights violations inside the jail. if she wants to talk about that. but i'd like to know what specific human rights violations people feel are taking place inside the jail. if you feel comfortable talking about that in this forum, um, i there's just so many things i don't know, i just for me, it's more about, um, that little child's experience walking in that jail. it's not even about my son right now because he has to do the

time and he has to follow the rules. he has to do whatever he has to do. do that. and if he breaks the rules in there, then follow the process and title, whatever. 1315 whatever they call that thing and follow the rules. my thing is about noah. why does noah have to be punished? why does noah have to suffer now? he has to go from pittsburgh because we're displaced out of san francisco because we can't afford to live here. a native san franciscan, born and raised in the mission, who has to live now in pittsburgh, california, and learn about pruning trees because i didn't have that growing up to now having to travel here to take my grandson to see his dad. five fauci five plus miles because they removed him from cj two because i sent an email. they're going to make up some story and say, oh, because we moved him, because he's not going to trial right now, of course. but we all know that they're upset because i said something and i cc the board of icc to everybody, but i know this is a long fight, so i'm not going to even touch that. but let's let's, let's create a better space for

children. let's break that cycle in incarceration. because guess what? noah's not only my responsibility as his grandmother, but he's your responsibility. and like the elders in my community said, noah is your nephew and i need you guys to take care of noah because he's our responsibility. i want noah to be the next miyamoto. i want noah to be the next london. so i ask you, i plead for you. let's work together to break these cycles of incarceration. so there's i we can go on and on. i just i'm going to just let the what we all voted for with san franciscans voted for to have this, you know, mr. wiley, be in the position that he's in and hopefully to see the change. and i'm and i do want to say for the record, that i respect mr. miyamoto and the work that he's done and is this is stuff that's happening way is deeper than than what sheriff miyamoto can do. so thank you. thank you,

thank you so much. i appreciate you joining. i mean, this is bringing things to light that we need. and just for the record, you've probably seen my background. i'm fourth generation san franciscan. so, um, paul miyamoto is a native san franciscan, as is member mango. we want to make our san francisco better and so unless people come and speak out, i also want to let everyone know here that even if you can't come and personally testify or are in any way fearful, um, please, please email us at s d o b at sf gov. org we also want to keep a running list of particular resources so that it's on our website. so that is my personal commitment. um, i've also worked really hard in trying to make things consistent. so coming up with forms, you know, member wynne talked about having forms because if we're going to ask for information, um, the public has the right to know how we're going to use that information, given that we're accountable when we're asking for things. and he made a suggestion about

forms and getting information. so that's in the works. um and i'm very much about a process person. so i like consistency and forms. and hopefully you'll see that from me. and as president you have my commitment . but um, so i want you to hold me accountable. and my board accountable by, um, attending the meetings. and if you can't, please email us. so we follow up on particular things, but we rely on the public. um, i'm an attorney for a public agency. we can't be eyes and ears everywhere. so we rely upon the public to give us information. and thank you for your bravery. and as you probably know, i was on the commission on the status of women for 12 years. so that is why, especially for children, we want to make sure that there's visitation with parents and even those who have been incarcerated because of domestic violence. we want a place where a child feels safe. still, having the relationship with a parent. so um, you know, keep informing us. thank you. so, member brewster, do you have

comments and questions or. joanna, i am noah still. i think we absolutely needed to have a meeting like this. now that we have our ig in place, it was the biggest charge that we were charged with as a body. and so now it's time to continue to roll up our sleeves and get to work. but i want to say, i heard each and every one of you, i see each and every one of you, and i value every single one of you. cedric maggie, joanna, dakota, josh, noah, greta, and you all know me in terms of my work and community, my organization touches baker ldf. we have reentry services in bayview hunters point, so this is very near and dear to my heart. so i want to make sure that i also offer to be the board member alongside my colleagues, to

really work with folks in community to make sure that we have those services that we know our brothers, our sisters, our aunts and uncles need here in san francisco. so you have my word on that. thank you. and i just want to remind everyone here that we do have what was originally called the equal access to services ordinance, and i actually worked on that legislation back in 1999. um, 9899. um, and it is law. it's now the language access ordinance. so every city agency is required to provide interpretive services. translated services. so we need to know if that's not happening. and cultural competence doesn't just mean language. as cedric aptly pointed out, it also means community because different communities have different ways of supporting someone in reentry to make sure that they're they don't have to go back to jail because they have the support of

community. they have supportive services to lead productive lives. so i just want to put that out there. um, we all need to work together. it's not just any one individual. well um, and i think, you know, janet, you aptly pointed out a lot of this, these, these institutional things happened over the years. so it's not one particular person. so that's why we have to work together. the budget's going to be very difficult. so as we're looking for the budget, i know our inspector general has such a huge lift to do, especially with the budget and resources. i think i made that clear at his swearing in in december. he made that very clear that we need to have resources to do what we want to do. we've been very conservative about the budget, even just rolling out some of the priorities. so if you see in today's meeting, i'm all about setting up the priorities and having benchmarks, what we can do. i'm very honest with people like, we got to the point where we hired an inspector general. i said, we cannot worry about

anything else until we have budget inspector general, and now we're focused on budget, but we're also focused on hearing from folks like you, from the public defender's office and down the road. i'm also, you know, asking about jail health. so that's going to come down the line. then towards the fall, we actually are finally able to get to policy. so as we're looking at our charter mandates, looking at the use of force and that kind of thing. so it's a step at a time. but hopefully this will give you some idea of, you know, having particular direction. i don't have meetings for the sake of meetings. i don't call on people. but there's a rhyme or reason to why i'm getting to where i am. and if you have any other ideas, i don't consider a criticism. i consider it, you know, meeting the needs of the community. so please weigh in early and often. so i thank you all for being here. and you know where to reach us. and as member bruckner said, we're all about community. i mean, that's why we're serving here. um, and, um,

it takes a lot of bravery. and, you know, my best wishes to all of your families and know that you can rely on this board for additional support. um, with that, i'm going to ask for public comments. for members of the public would like to make public comment on line item for presentation from the reentry community. please approach the podium when it is free. so good afternoon. my name is sylvie pagan. i am an intensive case manager with community works west. i'm also, um, uh, work with the nova. the nova violence alliance project. um, i'm here because, yes, there's a lot of concerns, uh, with the work that we do in terms of support with community, i was, um, a program manager for the one family, um,

prior to or previously, um, to the work that i've done, and i can, um, i can attest, and i can, uh, just say, you know what, joanna was saying? that there is some challenges when we're doing the work. so i do want to also know that, um, i, i've been asking for, for, um, access to support the latino, uh, reentry. um. inmates that are in the jails. and i just wanted to make, um, an announcement that i, i, my colleague and i, jose gomez, who also is part of the nova project and myself, will be starting, um, uh, a latino, uh, program, um, starting next week. but this is just a seed in a large bucket

of many, many needs that we need for community. so kind of what cedric was, um, or express in that we need to come together. we need community to provide these types of services. um, as starting this group, um, next week, um, is great, but i definitely want to see more. i want to see, uh, more programs. i want to see us thrive, serve as community members going into the jail and just stopping that recidivism that is taking place. so i ask for consideration to continue with the funding for these programs as it's much, much needed. and we want to come and work with you all to see how we can continue and expand these programs. but i just want to say thank you. thank you. um, so i just wanted to say one other

thing that was on top of mind. so as i'm coming down to more closer to retirement than actually launching a career, um, it dawned on me early on when i was sitting on the commission on the status of women that we treat language access as an afterthought, even though we have this law on the books, it is my dream to make sure that every application for a federal grant, every application for a city, and county or a state grant has have a line item on language access. and i told people there should not be any kind of second guessing at a bare minimum of what is on your ballot. so there should not be any kind of guess. and then it would be an opt out that you don't have language access, because i think it's an absolute must. so i need, you know, the community weigh in. but those are the kinds of things that after years and years of working with community, that sticks with us. and so hoping that it's going to be there. i think it's an advancement, you know, the sheriff's office, they do have badges so that people know what

languages are available to them and their law enforcement officers in the city and county also carry breast pocket cards to make sure that there's language access when, um, we realize that a person is not english proficient. so, um, thank you all for being here. and do we have any more? i have one more comment. i just want to say if anyone is retali against in the jail is mistreated because of relative or a friend speaks out that is misconduct. we should know about it. the department of police accountability should know about it. i've been an investigator for many years and oversight, and that is strictly prohibited. we need to protect anyone, one who wants to come forward and make a complaint and voice a concern and have them feel assured that they will be protected, that they will not be retaliated against. so i say that to everyone here. please

tell your friends and relatives in the jail if they do experience mistreatment or retaliation. you need to let us know. you need to let the department of police accountability know through a specific complaint, which i believe can be done, uh, on behalf of someone else, or anonymously. these things need to be brought into public view, and anyone who's responsible for violating the sheriff's department policies needs to be. that needs to be brought to light so it can be addressed. there should there should be no excuse for not behaving in a professional manner. okay so i think we're ready for the next agenda. i'm being a little conscientious about time because we're going to take photos. do you have more public comment? okay. sorry. i'm sorry. apologize. yes. please come forward. yeah and actually, before you get up to the podium, i just wanted to, um, let people

know that i got a belated text message from, um, member. carry on. and she's got a sick child at home. so after the remainder of the public comment, i'll ask for an excused absence. thank you, thank you. um my name is bianca sanchez. i am with the bay area community resources. i'm a program manager for the roadmap to peace initiative. um and as a member and provider of the community, i have been seeing less access, um, for community partners to go inside and to provide services for incarcerated population. um, and reentry services. and i want to know what is the plan to collaborate with the community to be part of the reentry process and plans? i also want to know what is the plan to allow access for community partners to go in and provide services and programing as members of the community? we are culturally competent. we implement a healing centered approach and have a trauma informed lenses making us more equipped to provide services as um and support inside the jails. because of because of this, if

you work in this with this population, you must know that there is a correlation between trauma and involvement with the justice system. sorry, i'm looking at my notes. so as trained professionals we can provide the effective intervention treatment and rehabilitation services to break the cycles of incarceration. thank you. thank you. hello. my name is victoria reminick and i am a senior case manager for roadmap to peace through bay area community resource. as a case manager, i have not seen any referrals coming in from the nuevos destinos program. um, i find this incredibly disheartening as the nuevos destinos partnership provides monolingual spanish speakers with the services they so desperately need, such as case managers, esl, and trauma informed care. in an effort to reduce recidivism and help improve racial equity for the latinx population. i just wanted to express how invaluable programs such as nuevos destinos

are, and i ask for your consideration to continue funding for these programs. thank you. oh, good afternoon, my name is araceli garcia murcia from baker. i'm a senior case manager with reset justice collaborative. the reentry i'm working with, um, at risk youth from 14 to 26 years old. um, i advocate for them. um in the courtroom all across california. but um, i wanted to come up here and agree with maggie, who is working with latino risk services and not just regular, just for latinos, but also general population like the undocumented monolingual that joanna was speaking of. and the annex, how they come as an encampment and how they're treating them, the clients who lack resources and mental health

. when speaking of the human, um, i'm also part of my sister's initiative keeper, where we did a human rights summit introducing the human rights, saying that basic, even basic needs aren't met inside the jail system. um, as well as women who are prenatal. i have clients on my caseload who are pregnant and who get who recidivate, even if it's for a couple of months or a couple of weeks, their prenatal services aren't up to par where they should be. um, when you say in making san francisco better, how are we making san francisco better? by giving our homeless people or adults needles and everything like we're supposed to do preventative work, not make it worse. worse? like my clients have used the billie holiday services. so i have rapport with mr. akbar. and how they've helped my clients. just get on the straight path. um, with this position often comes vicarious trauma within our own

mental health. like mental health with ourselves. at least once a month. two, 1 to 2 of our youth are shot and killed. whether it's in the mission in bayview west point or in, um, even through fentanyl, and which is another, uh, like the fentanyl cases, like most of my monolinguals have been picking up drug cases as well. but they're like, um, it's sorry, the fentanyl cases just to make ends meet, killing our community , countless by busts and felony accounts for $400 to pay for basic needs such as food or anything to just ask to rent. um prior to working for baker, i did work for a pretrial, so i did notice, like the 250 to 300 case load management monolingual clients that were on my caseload that were just all fentanyl cases. at what point did we start looking at it as human

trafficking? because they're coming here just to make ends meet, to prepare for the better living. and it's not they don't obtain the mental health services that they need. they don't get the quality, support and lack of services that we used to. we used to have jobs and stipends and everything to support anybody and everybody in the community, especially during covid. now, where did all that go? like it just started going downhill. i just feel like we try our best to do preventative work to make sure that our clients stay alive and free, and that they make poor decisions just to try to make ends meet in san francisco. and i'm able to say that because i am a san francisco native, i've been here for born and raised kaiser hospital. so i've been i'm lucky to actually still stay here. i'm in the portola district, but i've seen it all and of all of our providers, that it's dear to our heart that it's sad that we do preventative work just for that to be shot and killed in six feet under. so so thank you.

thank you. hello. my name is jose hernandez. i'm the program director for central american resource center's second chance youth program and tattoo removal clinic. we work with, uh, young people, 14 up to 20 for, uh, prevention and reentry work, aftercare. um, just it's interesting that out of the people who are being placed in what is effectively the most structurally dangerous holding cell in jails in the city county of san francisco, a majority are are in similar nationality and country of origin. my question is, how is it that there's a large number of people similar in race and national origin or place of birth that are being held in the annex, not discriminatory practices where the majority in the annex are latinx and the majority of those are from specific race, ancestry , origin, or national or place of birth. secondly, it shows how much about this board, the powers that be that is allowing people, community organizations,

city and county employees to work in what the city inspectors deemed as a seismic life hazard in 2017, that is, an earthquake. that in an earthquake would present a crisis situation and what is going on in the tenderloin can and will not be solved by mass incarcerate. when you throw 40 dealers in jail, another 40 will pop up the scapegoat changes through different generations so it changes demographics of who's being blamed about the situation in the tenderloin and the drug dealing in san francisco. and it's absurd to think that it is the fault of these specific groups, but more a failed institution. racial profiling practices and the fact that in order to get all of these amazing programs things as an adult, to get fast track into firefighting programs that are held in the county, to have housing and stable food, you need to go to jail first. thank you. thank you. do we have any

more public comment. okay. seeing none, dan, the next agenda item, please. um could we take a five minute bio break before we go to that item? um, sure. thank you. meeting back to order. at 325. thank you, madam president. do we have a motion to excuse vice president carrion? uh, so. moved. do i have a second? second? all those in favor? aye any opposed? motion carries next item on the agenda, please. dan colleen. line item five. quarterly and annual report. discussion and possible action item review and discuss. spo zdob evaluations and outreach for q4 and the 2023 annual

report. due to the sheriff and board of supervisors pursuant to sf charter 4.137 okay colleagues . so, um, i'm working with the inspector general on just templates in terms of what we want data to look like, and then the report. so the sheriff's office doesn't have to guess. um, it's i think, um, chief ju did a nice comprehensive report the last time, and if we want more detail, we should include it possibly in the template, and see what can be released. and what passes muster with their general counsel. so um, that's going to be on the table. but right now we need to look at the quarterly report. and then the annual report. we've got a deadline to submit it. um, next month. but we actually, dan, correct me if i'm wrong to have a resolution that we've approved something so that you can submit it. is that true? we need to submit it. excuse me. we need to submit a resolution to the board of supervisors, and they'll put it on the gao committee to, um,

recommend. okay. thank you. so first we're going to look at the q4 report. and then there's an annual report. i did a lot of the text and, and, um, member mango did a beautiful summary. so it's always in the works and down the road we'll have a lot more when it comes to data from the ig. but this is, um, thank you for your efforts. and we were all on zoom calls late at night after she finished travel. and strained her eyes to keep them open while we had a meeting at. and so i'd like, um, you to review and then, as appropriate, to have motions to approve or, um, any kind of comments. uh, yes, i have a comment. as i noted to you in email a couple of weeks ago, there's an inaccuracy in the annual report under january 2023, where it says vice president zoshi

carrion moved to have a committee on the classification considerations of an inspector general with vp. carrion and member julie de su as committee members. the motion was solely to have a committee with um vp carrion as the as the head, and i can read that from the minutes. all right. so i'm going to say, since i sit next to her, it might not have gotten captured. and so she said, any volunteers? and i said i will volunteer. and so she said, i, i'm on it. so um, i put it together. but obviously from the next meeting too. and unfortunately, vice president carrion isn't here because she wants a comment on that. um, then at the february meeting, i was elected to be the liaison to h.r. so i actually was there to draft and work with the job announcement and work with the hr. well, i don't think the annual report should misstate the motion as it's described in the minutes, which says vice president karen makes a motion

to create a task force committee to work with dr. for the process process of soliciting resumes and to access and present a recommendation on whether we need support to create a job post and a return with an update to the board of supervisors. so what i am going to propose is that it, um. uh, it's going to say vice president carrion moved to have a committee on the qualification considerations of inspector general, period. and the motion passed unanimously with all members present. um, vice president carrion and member julie de su um were committee members? uh, no. i also was supposed to be a committee member. so that was that wasn't captured in the minutes either. so i don't know what you how you want to handle this, but i don't want to belabor a particular point because we have a lot to do. um, but i want us to be accurate. and vice president carrion did send me an email on january

ninth talking about scheduling a committee meeting with you and i and her indicating that i was supposed to be a part of that committee. so i think the annual report should be accurate. so should adhere. okay, so but member wechter at no point did you participate in the committee . so i'm not even aware that you were a committee member. and also in the february minutes, you made a motion to appoint yourself to be the liaison to hr, and you were. and that motion did not even get a second. there was a subsequent motion to make me the liaison and then i was voted in as liaison. and you were president at the time. so i don't want to go back and rehash. we're trying to move forward and get things done. so i'm just trying to do a compromise with you and reword that particular motion. you were not. it's clear that you were not a committee member and you were not made a committee member. and um, you could have joined, but you didn't join. so i don't know how to handle this.

i don't really want to rehash president kerry and send me that email indicating that i don't remember. yes. and the question is, did you participate? i was not allowed to participate. um, it was open. we couldn't have we couldn't have a we were we were we had a special meeting posted as well. so you didn't even attend. so i don't know how to address this, i did attend, i was told i couldn't speak that we can only observe. so i want the report to be factual and accurate. that's all i'm saying. i did volunteer to be on that committee. i very much wanted to be on that committee. i had a lot to bring to that committee and vice president carrion recognized that in the email she sent me in january. not so i don't want history. okay, i'm going to say you're reading more. i'm not speaking for member carrion and neither should you. you tend to want to speak for members who are present. but member carrion is not even present today. so i was here. i did the work for an entire year. i think i know who contributed and at no point did

you actually weigh in in a productive manner. i just have to say so. and you were present at the time. so i just want to go back and i didn't finish about reword. adding this, she moved to have, um, a committee period. and i'm going to say that i was on the committee because you're not you weren't on the committee. so i'm just i just want to finish this so that dan can capture this because we do need to approve this. um report today. well i'm sorry you're resorting to personal attacks again. it really is. does not help the member. let's not go. excuse me. let's. no, no, no. right now we are conducting this meeting. getting this through. i don't want to go back again. you're taking everything as personal attacks and they are not personal attacks. i am you're you're alleging a particular factual thing. i was there, i'm doing the work. so i can attest personally for the factual thing. i don't want you to speak on behalf of member carrion or any members here. i was there, so let's let's reword this to

the stated that i did not contribute at all. i amassed all the job descriptions from other agencies of similar the inspector general and executive positions. i put together the spreadsheet of the salaries of comparable positions, which is the reason. thank you member wechter and that it's fine to cull information, but the work actually had to be done to actually draft a job description . so could i make a suggestion just sorry, sorry, i thought you were done. no. so. so let's let's stop this for a moment and just move on and get this done. i don't want to go into the particulars for minutia. um, so. so i'm sorry. um, well, i was just going to suggest that maybe you just say special subcommittee form to advance ig recruitment period, and you don't have to settle the issue that you're disagreeing on right now. just. well, i mean, i that, i mean, i didn't yeah, i didn't fully finish. i want to stop it at that. but it's clear that vice president carrion and i

staffed that committee meeting. so i think it's appropriate. and accurate to state that in january it was just a suggestion. just thank you. thank you. but i thought that i would i thought that that would have taken care of it when i, when i cut off that sentence and said, who actually served on the committee. so i'd also like to propose that as a attachments to the end report, we include the minutes of all the meetings, which include public comment we've seen here tonight that the comments from members of the public are valuable. i think there are things the sheriff needs to hear, and the board of supervisors needs to hear. we can't expect the sheriff to watch the recordings of these meetings. so i am requesting that the minutes from all the meetings in 2023 be attached as an appendix to that. so that is noted. and in general, the minutes are not attached. we can make a reference for people to actually go, um, onto the website. but even reading the minutes alone is insufficient. i think if people really want to delve deeply, they're going to

actually watch the video archives. well, i'll make a motion that that the annual report. excuse me. we want to finish this particular wording. so, so you can make a motion. but we're not even finished with the particular wording in january. so, um, i'm going to so we're going to stop here. it's going to say vp so she can move to have a committee on the qualification consideration of an inspector general. period and then the motion passed unanimously with all members present. and then it says vp, um, carry on, served on the on the committee. and that committee would then be capitalized. i'm going to take off the word members and that's the last sentence under that

first paragraph. so do i have anything from anyone else? can you reread, um, your proposal? yes. so um, the first sentence is the same. so um, at its january 2023 regular meeting, zdob made great strides to advance its charge to hire an inspector general, ig vice president. vp shashikiran moved to have a committee on the qualification considerations of an inspector general. period. the motion passed unanimously, with all members present. period. um late. um and then and then we will have vp carrion and member julie de su served on the committee. capital c, and then later that same month, the committee held a special meeting to solicit public input. dan, did you get that? yes. okay. thank you. i don't believe that's accurate and i won't

support that. i'm sorry. what does it say in the minutes? in the minutes, it says. vote on motion to create a committee that will work with dr. to prepare a job description which will be presented and updated first to the board and then to proceed to the next step, which would be posting it and making the list. and then it lists the eyes and the nays and says the motion passes. and what do you propose? be changed or added. simply that it say that there was a vote to create a committee with member su as the, uh, how was it phrased? well, with was exactly what is in here .

that was february. so if we want to be so, so i think i captured it because in february there was a formal vote to make me the liaison. so. i don't want to split hairs, but i'm pretty familiar with everything because i went through all the minutes and i did the work with dr. so i'm pretty familiar and unfortunately. member carrion, vice president carrion isn't here .

so any motions put out there? i mean, i'm actually i'm in agreeance. i think we should make sure that we're consistent in terms of, you know, what it is that we're providing, especially from the annual report. if it's reflective of our minutes. yeah from a meeting that we had. so i think i think the way that it's stated is reflective because in february we actually state that i was vote as, as the liaison. so i don't want to put that in. in january, i think. and if i'm hearing correctly, you want to have in january that there was. that it was a vote to make sure that we had a committee correct. mhm. yes we're talking about the january 2023. yeah so it's in there. so it's just january three that

we're. yes. debating about. okay. yes. and then you're saying um. number that we're going to cross out that last line. we're going to move this over. so it's this and then we have this sentence and it's period here. and then the um, the motion passed and then this and then this sentence. vice president, carry on. members served on the committee. and then later that same month, this committee held a special meeting to solicit public input. got it. yeah my only suggestion. was if there was disagreement on who was on the committee. um and different memories of what happened in the minutes didn't reflect who were members of the committee from that meeting in january, that you just leave that out in order to move on. that that was my only suggestion. i know, but we did. but we did have a notice of special meeting. so that notice was obviously there with who the committee members were. and i was just trying to move us forward. no, i get it. and i'm

trying to move forward because i want to get to the test. the priorities. um, because that's a burning issue with member. go. to. so dan, did i guess we should actually do the quarterly report because we didn't even do the quarterly report. we should actually we're approving them in two separate motions, right. is there any discussion on the q4 report? that i would like to see the minutes from the october, november, december meetings attached as an appendix to the quarterly report. is that by way

of motion, member wagner, i move that we approve the fourth quarter report with the minutes of the october ober, november and december meetings attached as an appendix. thank you. is there a second? there is no second. any other discussion on i think that on these reports we can actually have a note at the end that minutes and, um, video recordings are available. on our website. and govtv. i'll make a motion to approve the fourth quarter. um report. thank you.

is there a second, second? thank you. did you want to add the addendum that, um, uh, president su stayed it and that the minutes and video are available? sure. thank you. yeah i guess we can add that to it. so it's a motion to approve the fourth quarter. uh, report as is, but also make reference to the minutes as well as the recordings on our website. thank you. for members of the public who would like to make public comment on line. item five, q4 report, please approach the podium when it is free. there appears to be no public comment calling the roll on q4 report. member chaim engel. huamango is i member bruckner i. bruckner is i member nguyen i win is i

member su i su is i member wechter no vector is no. the motion passes by majority vote. the 2023 q4 report is adopted. thank you. and dan, i just had a clarification because sometimes when i want to watch the recordings, i actually go directly to wskg-tv, but i'm not sure that our website has a link. should we? is it there or should we link it up or just have a notation on our website? uh, there. was a link at the end of the minutes, but i'm not sure if it's a clickable okay link. so maybe we'll revisit that and see if it just if it could be one click from us. otherwise we'll make a notation to go to sp govtv. yes thank you. okay. so back to the annual report. so i do want to i do want jason. uh uh, board member wechter to get some credit for the work that he

helped with the job posting, because i did i did remember he had pulled a lot of the recruitment postings from all the other oversight agencies, and i would like to see that reflected here. and i'm happy to look at the video if need be, to kind of go back and see where, um, he mentioned in those meetings. but yeah, that would be my only comment, except that we have to approve it today. yes. okay. well, i mean, can we pass the majority? i don't know, like of it or it can't pass in unless we approve the whole thing. we've got we've got to do the entire thing today. i mean, that was already i mean, that was already reflected in last year's report. i mean, the prior year was when a lot of the remember, this is this is just this is 2023. then we had the, the annual, the prior annual report was 2022. so that's when um, a lot of the data was pulled . so that's already that's

reflected in in the 2022 year report. um, about the recruitment process. um, i sent it to, uh, to member carrion and to dr. directly. i sent them all those job descriptions. and again that's also reflected in member carrion's vice president carrion's email to me. um which had a list of all the documents i had sent. uh for the committee that i sent her on january eighth. so that was in 2023. and you can see there's a long list of job descriptions from various communities for their, um, job announcements for inspector general and for executive director. and i also wrote a draft of the job description that was submitted to dr. um, and they incorporated elements.

i get that, but i actually worked on it. and you submitted it after. so let's let's just put, um. let's just put president jason wechter, um, i don't know. um surveyed additional information from different jurisdictions. i don't know, job descriptions and salaries from different jurisdictions. how's that? i think it was more than surveyed. i spent a significant amount of time going to websites of all those communities, downloading the job description, organizing them. i also spent a good deal of time, uh, extracting the pay scale for those positions and put them in in the spreadsheet that we presented to dr. as a rationale for them to go above the usual salary scale for the inspector general position, which is why we were able to offer him the job at the highest salary, which was above what dr.

had originally designated as the salary range for that position. so what what sentence would satisfy you to include for you, for your work? um. gathered numerous job descriptions as from so what's the difference between surveyed and gathered? i mean that they had that's how we got the information. so um, obtained i didn't survey survey implies looking at something i actually did the research, downloaded them, put them in a format that they could be where they could be sent to. dr. i get that, i get that member vector, but it was actually, uh, i actually had to do the work with dr. to actually cull through everything and extract everything. so it's nice that you, you're just assuming that neither vice president carrion

nor i actually pulled out information and did our own research to submit to dr. so so and um, and as liaison i had like practically weekly if not more than that, um, meetings with dr. and also the emails. so um, and i'm not talking about all the hours i've, i've spent pulling together benchmarks and task lists. i mean, we would not have been lit if you want to be really accurate, we would probably not have been in this position had i actually not done a timeline and benchmark of where we needed to be, because i felt like we were just gathering information, we were just having people speaking without direction. so, um, i don't want to belabor this, and i really want to get to our priorities and list. so so, um, why don't you state your entire sentence of what would make you happy so we could move on that iris searched, downloaded, organized and presented to the board and to dr. numerous job descriptions

for comparable positions, gathered information on comparable salaries for oversight. director positions in the bay area to justify an elevated salary range for the inspector general. okay so okay, so historically, you've liked to have these really long sentences. can we just keep it really, really short because i didn't put the whole kitchen sink of what i've actually. so can we just say that you presented and job descriptions and comparable salaries to make informed recommendations to the board and dr. can we keep it short like that? i would say that i did significant research and presented the findings on job descriptions and salary scale, uh, to the board though, because so jason, what the

question is, why do you want to put significant because then that assumes that other work is insignificant. so how about just that you you present covid research on comparable positions and salary from from other jurisdiction. so can we just leave it at that. mhm. okay. well i just it was a significant amount of time that i invested and. yeah. so we are in sochi. yeah. so and we're not talking about the time and not to mention like you know member karen has gone above and beyond in just in this month alone. so in her work. so can we just keep it short like that. so we can say, um, president jason wechter presented and. research and presented uh, or presented. it doesn't matter. yeah. presented. yeah presented. research and present. did. well. you couldn't

have presented if you didn't do the research. so, uh, less is more. and so president jason wechter present did. comparable job description describe options, plural and salaries as. from other jurisdictions. and i'm not going to limit it to bay area because it included other parts of california as well. so okay okay okay. for the sake of us moving forward, that's fine. so with that, do i have a motion to, um, with that amendment to approve the 2023 annual report? s i'll move to approve it with the minutes from each meeting as

it as an appendix, as an attachment. i think the sheriff and the board of supervisors should be able to access that information more readily. i think things were said at some of our public meetings that they need to hear, just as they were said. so. so member wechter. so just as i said, for the quarter, the q4 report, that we have a sentence in there. i'd like to add that to the annual report, but, uh, i'm not going to have minutes attached. i think that's laziness. if, if, if you didn't take the time to actually craft a report that people know where to do the research, but i want to have that reminder there. and actually watch the video. i don't think, uh, attaching minutes and then if we have to have a paper report adds to anything except for killing trees. so i wouldn't support that. that's my motion. if this board chooses to vote against it and not attach the minutes, then they can do that. okay. do we

have a second on the motion by member wechter to attach the minutes. thank you. is there a motion to, um, accept the annual report with the stated, uh, amendment? so moved. second. okay. so we'll just be we'll clarify again the stated amendment and i'll read it. um, that, that that, um, dan. yeah. dan, can you reread that sentence that i gave you? i didn't get it all down. i can i can read it. is it president jason wechter presented comparable job description, salaries and salaries from from other jurisdictions. yeah. and did you also want to note that the minutes and videos are available? yes. yeah at the end, the same as q4. um, so that would come at the end of the report. right. okay i remember, uh, bruckner made the motion is there a second, second? thank you. for members of the public

who would like to make public comment on line item five, annual report. please approach the podium when it is free. uh, well, you're welcome to make a public comment about seeing that , if you'd like. yes, please. just, uh. yes. okay. i understand that you have your own things to solve together, but we. please, uh, time is running out here with a line of credit for happiness. is running out. so don't waste everybody's time. you are wasting your time and ours. everybody's time. i mean, it's funny, at some point, it's so. okay cbn thank you. all right. calling the roll on the 2023 annual report. um remember mango i feel like mango is i member bruckner i bruckner is i

member when a win is i president sue i sue is i member vector a vector is i. the motion passes the 2023 annual report with the additions and amendments are adopted. thank you. getting through our hurdles. so next. item please dan calling my item six zdob 2024 priorities tasks and. benchmarks discussion item and possible action item discussion on 2024 priorities, tasks and benchmarks. the zdob will strive for in a calendar year 2024. okay, so colleagues, um, we briefly touched upon this at our last meeting, and member, uh, bruckner asked me to sort of break things out into our priority, um, categories. and so i know that's most of you submitted some particular lists,

but even if you didn't submit a list on the data, call from dan, what i did was i looked at the particular list when it said future agenda items. and dan, at certain points in time would, um, provide a comprehensive list . so i would synthesize that. and so this is kind of what i came up with. um, it is a little bit dynamic, as you noted, the public defender's office wasn't able to make it that day. so we can adjust the calendar and then towards the end of the year, i have some things open where we might need to take, um, do catch up. but i was very mindful of now that we have an inspector general, um, come the fall, we can start looking at particular policy issues. as you notice that i've also added particular things like you know, jail visits, additional training, but that all come, you know, the training and everything else. it all comes with budget. budget is still top of priority. and that's why i didn't want to, you know, waste time. i want to remind everyone again, valentine's day, if you love your sweetheart, if you love

your board, if you love what you're doing, got to make it to the valentine's day budget meeting to, um, to support the, um, inspector general as he makes the report and then down the road, as we need to talk to the supervisors, talk to the mayor. that's what we need to do. so would like. you to just kind of go through it again and get some comments on it. but, um, it's not something that we necessarily see have to take action on. but i'd like you know, sort of an adoption because at least it gives us some kind of framework. um i just want to say thank you, julie. i'm sure this was a lot of work, and i like that. this

is dynamic that we can change as we go. um, so, i mean, i think i'm okay with it. the only thing i wanted to note is for the public defender's office. can probably present from in our next meeting, but can we get the team that works directly with the, um, in custody. clients that that deal with, like the jail conditions and the legal visits? because i believe there's like a particular team that. yeah. um, so, so the public defender recommended angela chan. okay. perfect um, she said she's available in march. so after this meeting, i can try to. you. know, ink it, ink it on her calendar. so she makes it so much. yeah no, i just want to echo, um, my colleague shared. thank you so much. did you get this sheet? so, director sue, this is the

even smaller one. yeah yeah, you requested that. so i want to make sure that you saw what your request did. i appreciate it. no i mean, it actually is even more clear now when it has that bolded topic. oh, no. i had bolded it in the prior one, but i'm hoping that this made it more clear that we look at community engagement services for incarcerated families affected by the criminal justice system. really? inspector general, office of inspector budget is three sheriff's office operations, sheriff's office policies. so that's really. yep. nope. that's our bailiwick. yep. so i wanted to say thank you for that. and then the only thing and correct me if i'm wrong. last updated january 16th, 2024 2024. yeah, um, i think you know what? she's okay. no, no, no, both both ones should be 2024. so thank you. oh, no, just i think i think i might have sent a, i think i might have caught that and sent it to dan, but there were so many documents floating around. so i want to make sure no catching that. yep. we always need extra eyeballs. as of working with six eyeballs is not enough, so i'd like to see the addition of something

that we had on the agenda last year, but was continued because of lack of time that i suggested , which is a report on litigation against the sheriff's department over the past five years. uh, it can be anonymous, but giving us a sense of where the, uh, areas of risk are, um, the types of lawsuits, settlements and adverse judgments. um, i heard a presentation on monday from. i'm sorry, i don't remember his name. the chief of audits for the department of police accountability and he said that one of the ways you evaluate what audit is, you look at the areas of greatest risk in an organization and clearly, one of the areas of greatest risk for any organization is lawsuits, judgments and settlements. if the city is paying out large, large amounts of money because of, uh, uh, problems in the sheriff's department, we need to be aware of that. and we can therefore guide the inspector general in terms of areas where

they can conduct audits. and it's analogous to hearing from the members of the public tonight about where the areas of friction are, areas of concern. uh, the inspector general is not from san francisco. he's not familiar with our sheriff's department or with carceral issues. so i think we have an obligation to help guide him in terms of what he should look at in his audit. so i would like to see that presentation. uh, i would also like to see the sheriff's department respond to some of the concerns that have been voiced here tonight that were voiced by inmates. member palmer and i visited and, uh, heard from in the jail and issues that were raised at our community meeting in the mission about, uh, issues at, uh, san francisco general hospital campus. so those are the two things i would like to see added to this that are not on it. that's noted. i don't know if

we're going to do five years necessarily. so, um, but but we will look at risk management. i know that there's regular reporting at the police commission on, um, on, on from the command staff that actually an individual who actually does risk management. so i was going to look into that. but um, i don't want i think when you present particular things, i'm concerned about how you're coming to particular conclusions. and i want to remind the board members that we are not investigators. we have an inspector general, we have dpa, they're investigators, and we are a quasi, um, judicial body. so i don't want to cross particular lines. and i think when we get to particular comment later on that, um, an area that member wants us to look into, i'm going to cover that, um, with the investigation administrative versus possible criminal. so there's a lot of things that we can't necessarily

draw conclusions from. and then there are particular things that preceded this particular administration. so i don't want to mix things up. and i want to be very clear about timeline and particular things and where we go, um, with this current administration and moving forward. and, and in light of the recent article about the arbitrator's decision, i'd like to see a presentation from the sheriff. well, we're going to get into that. get into that. and member mango already is has a particular comment, and i'm going to comment on that afterwards. okay. um, so those those items are noted. um, anything else? um, member nguyen, i know you had made submissions particular from the law enforcement, um, personnel perspective. so we do have that down there. and i will be soliciting you. um, if you want

particular speakers as well. yeah, i see some of the suggestions i made. you put it on here. yeah. yeah. so i will i will check in with you if you have particular speakers that you would like. okay. yeah anything. member richter no, i'll make a motion to adopt the tasks and benchmarks with the additions of member vectors. uh, to for the risk management and addressing. so that's going to be that's also dynamic. and um, i have those actually noted. so even if it's not on this, i do keep a running list. but again i also gauge things based on how we're going. and if our priorities are met. and there's more burning issues. but right now just want to say it one more time. we are in budget season. so is there a second for member richter's motion? i second. for

members of the public who would like to make public comment on line item six zdob priority tasks and benchmarks, please approach the podium when it is free. sorry, you are forcing me to speak out. even i just wanted to wait for the general public comment. i think you forget it's your priority is. generally speaking, you forget you forgot to, uh, put it push responsibility on critical thinking. you forgot it is the top priority. then after that, everything evolves from that and then it's perfect and it works. if you don't put that first, it's going to still going on like jam. sorry thank you, thank you. i don't know, um, i just want to make maybe i'm mixed up

when you guys say when it's budget season and you're talking to the audience, sometimes, you know, we can get a little confused. i just want to clarify is some of the things that, um, one of the members mentioned, like visiting, um, uh, stuff that happened in the jails. are you talking about certain budgets that this body is going to be working on for support, or is that you're just talking about the budget in general, the budget for the inspector general . but when it comes to visitation, that's something that i've been thinking about. but that's part of the sheriff's staffing, and that's something that can be at least addressed immediately. okay. so then my question would be just, i mean, or to throw my concern is also that we're looking at how much money we're investing in. um, 8420 the department of rehabilitation staff, um, and their role in visitation because i. know that's a big chunk of the budget that the sheriff has in paying 8420. and what they're actual role is, um, so just to put that out there, i think.

it's important to note that there's, uh, certain positions, um, in, in the department and how many positions there is and how valuable and how connected it is to visiting. and when we say visiting, i just ask this body to please when we say visiting inmates, but also. the visitors that come in and that we keep in mind children of incarcerated parents who come in and visit that facility. yeah. and, joanna, if you'd like to zip us an email as well, i, you know, i won't use your name. i mean, this is a public meeting, but i was thinking about visitation, too, because i know it's almost like playing the lottery now, especially from covid. and then the staffing, um, if people don't have access to computers, there's it's hard for them to, to even know. and then if they show up to say, two and there's a lockdown and you lose your visit, which happened to me last week, the visit was canceled. i drove from my house at 530 in the morning to get to san bruno county jail, to my visit being canceled, and then, because i've logged myself into

the system. so, i mean, i had a notification on, on on the lockdown earlier, but if someone's already in transit, they might not actually see that. so i don't always assume that people have a smartphone. i don't assume people have computers. so there's got to be some or checking their email every two seconds. yeah, but if you're driving, you're not going to. hopefully you won't be checking your phone. i wish renovo would have like a text message, a massive text message. but so those are so those are the kind of the wish list things that i also think about. and then write down. and then i have it on my kind of, um, parking lot stuff, and then we can bring it, bring it up and then so i also like to see, i mean, i like to read schools, so i try to do the high priorities and what we can do as the easy quote unquote easy fixes. and i know there's a visiting committee that the sheriff's office runs, but that's not open to the public. it used to be a long time ago, but that's also another way of getting data and information. thank you. thank you. i just want to back up what joanna was

saying, because i do also i work in custody. um, and regarding the well, the 8420 is actually for the sheriff's department. it's the rehabilitation staff. so they're basically civilly liens that are managing the sheriff's department programs. and i'm going to take a chance out here because of what you said about not being scared that position. um, is also known as, um, a deputy without a badge. and it is the reason that i have chosen not to go in custody as much for fear of what they might create late and destroy my image

that i've had in san francisco for over 30 years of her serving the public and it's happened to where, as people are fearful of the 8420 that's making over $100,000 to help program staff maneuver over through the jail system. thank you. appears to be no more public comment calling in the role on the motion. i just have a question. did your, um, member bruckner did what you say? did that include, um, presentation from the sheriff responding to some of the issues that members of the public have raised before us tonight and at other public forums? yes okay. so that would

be one of the. yeah i mean, it's not like it's not in here, but those are things that we're going to put in and, and um, as you will note, there's going to be quarterly reports as well. so i'm working with the inspector general on particular templates for very basic things. but we are going to include additional items and so like i said it's a it's also a dynamic kind of schedule. but i want it in an orderly fashion because as you know, right now, um, it takes a lot of manpower to get even the basic reports. so i'm trying to be very efficient, asking for templates. in this way, we can address additional things. so, uh, member bruckner, is motion included in your requests? okay. i just want to ensure it's not just data, but the sheriff himself will respond to these concerns because people are saying that the sheriff may not know what's happening in the jails. i think it's important that he does know it. know about it, and respond to this board about it. just as happens at the police commission where they

hear about certain issues and they ask for a response from the relevant police commander and the chief of police, and they provide that information to the board and the public, to the commission and a public forum. that's what i'd like to see. analogous here. so do i have a commitment that that will be included? um, that was reflected in so president. i mean, member wise, we don't have to be. so i mean, i feel like you're doing inquisitions of people. if you were listening, member bruckner made the motion. it is inclusive. we have general counsel here. we have, uh, a member of the police department of accountability here. um, so we all work together. and so, um , i don't know what else to tell you, but the motion's on the floor. there was a second, and we're about to take a vote. just to clarify, member wechter the motion did include all of the requests you made. um okay.

calling the roll on the quarterly report, member afua mengal, i afwa mango is i member bruckner one correction this is not the quarterly report. this is the this is the yes. no i'm sorry, this is the or sorry the priority. sorry. the priority list. priorities and benchmarks on the priority tasks and benchmarks. yes. member. mango i , i feel like mango is i member bruckner i bruckner is i remember when i when is i president sue i sue is i member vector i vector is i the motion passes uh the task benchmarks with dan. he's just supposed to deal with one tree at a time and a forest sometimes gets thrown at him. uh, to prioritize tasks and benchmarks. is adopted with, uh, member vectors requests. calling line item seven. amend zdob rules of order 1.14. discussion. possible action item

amend rules of order 1.14 regarding requests for agenda items. okay, so this is pretty straightforward. um, the timeline really wasn't realistic, especially when, um, things have to be posted and so just to make it really clear, because our meetings are on friday and it should be as early as possible, because if we want some responsiveness and we want to be able to give someone ample notice, we already know from um, chief ju that he requests things , uh, request at least three weeks in advance. so i'm asking for 21 day calendar days. so it's the friday preceding a regular board meeting. and the notation was that, um, the friday preceding the regular board meeting is too late because the agenda is finalized on the monday preceding the meeting at the latest for posting on tuesday. okay. but

there's still room for emergency urgent items to be added at the discretion of the president and vice president. i have a question for member bruckner. when you served on the police commission, was there any similar requirement? not that i'm aware of. thank you. it's just that there's too many there's too many requests, like right before the meeting and so i've made it sort of a rule that i don't even i won't even look at an email. really. um, even two days before the meeting, because there's a lot of balls to juggle, and it's, it's disruptive of, um, when i'm coordinating with the vice president, if i need to run anything by the city attorney, and then it's just very disruptive to dan's schedule to. so i would support. uh, ten days. i think 21 is too much

because that basically means just a in many cases a week after the last meeting. and this doesn't apply to a similar commission or to any other oversight commission. i'm aware of. um, things come up and people have to digest what's happened. at one meeting and may think about what, um, what they'd like to see at the next meeting. so so i'd like to amend it to ten days. i agree. so ten calendar days isn't actually even enough because since we meet on fridays and there's a weekend, so i just think 21 days calendar days is excessive of um, and i think 7 or 10 business days is fair. if jason is, as jason mentioned and, um, since we now have an inspector

general, we have dan as staff who can help coordinate these things. say, i've worked at two other oversight entities and they accepted items in less time and were able to put them on the agenda. uh, they were also staffed by consisting of volunteer hours. so i think we should be consistent with what other similar. so my question is, who do you think the staff is for the inspector general at this point? right now? he says he's working very closely. well, he has dan. and dan and dan's been carrying like three roles. and he continues to do that. so i'm being very mindful of that. and so that just also means we have we have more coordination. um, between the vice president and the president at this point. um yeah, i agree with the, uh, president. uh, there's a lot of

a lot of workload that, uh, dan is doing, and a lot of information that's being requested. and i think this would be sufficient. 21 days would be sufficient, uh, for those requests to get vetted. and, um, brought, brought to the board's attention. i mean, we could we could change it to whatever dates it just does. it just means that it might even be punted more farther out if there isn't adequate time to vet out and actually put it on. so um, you know, you could you could do it later on. it just gets gets moved. but if we have it out at 21 days, there's a greater likelihood that it gets into that. that month's meeting. well, this isn't required that it go in the agenda. uh, this is simply saying it has to be submitted. so if the agenda is full or if it's not possible to gather the information, it doesn't require you to place it on the next agenda. also, i

wanted to add to the emergence and urgent items may be added at the discretion of the president and vice president. i know the president gets to set the agenda , but i guess i guess i don't really agree with this language because it i don't know. i guess it deems it it's up to the president and vice president to deem what is urgent. oh no. well, it was more meant to be in a positive way. if there's something urgent, let's say you've approached me. you saw something that you thought we needed to address. then we can we can add it without going like the full blown calendar. and we can just. it's meant to be more dynamic, like. yeah. and it's meant to like, we could just insert it and maybe, um, if we need to postpone something else. got it. yeah. yeah, that makes sense. i'm okay with this as, uh , just with the ten business days, um, instead of 21. member

wechter would you like to make that a motion? yes, i move that we adopt this changing where it says 21 calendar days to ten calendar. so can we go to 14? can we go to 14? it just it's just i get bombarded by a lot of emails. i mean, even just with, with member. and this last thing that we worked, which was relatively small, i will honestly say that, um, i have a i don't think people realize that i have a regular job that i have to attend to, and i do write a lot, and, um, because i am an attorney, um, and i also am am accountable to the public, i get a lot of public requests for assistance. um, so. so i what i don't appreciate is i get bombarded by emails, so think about your position and then multiply it by so many other people and then clearing things through so i do need time to sort things out and consistently

and if we're going to be transparent member wechter, you've consistently given me things like the thursday before or friday before the monday and then when you had the jail visit with member palmer, you had member palmer email me and i said, oh, this sounds serious. give me some more information. in the meantime, um, have of the those individuals make complaints through the department or police department of accountability. give me more information. i'd like some information so i could possibly draft a memo to the sheriff. but i also want to clear things with the city attorney's office, because we don't want particular identities of either deputies or those in identified. i heard nothing. and then the following month, i got urgent. urgent. but it was like the thursday or friday before again. so in that intervening month, i got nothing. and then again, like nothing. so this is trying to be

more methodical. and thoughtful and actually accomplishing goals and addressing things. so this is why i'm actually having some some time. so everyone's on the same page. um, and down the road, it's also like requests of information or people will um, because that way it's more orderly because guess what? i also get the complaints. so when people people are upset and they don't want to necessarily participate, this is not helping our work. so that's why i'm just trying to make it more orderly. so i'm going to um, i would vote i would vote no on ten. and i think i'm going to i'm going to make a separate motion unless i'm going to say 14 as a compromise. and can i add one caveat to this? yeah. can we go 15 business days? right now it says calendar days. but it still gives us to three weeks. yeah if you take yeah, yeah. 15 business days. yeah yeah i would compromise to 12 calendar days which would put it on the monday

before for the one eight days before. the agenda is due to be posted. i mean, right now, you know, it's set for a friday, but who knows if the calendar ends up changing. i just want like particular days to vet it out. it shouldn't be that difficult. we're talking about calendar days. that doesn't change calendar days remain the same. so i'll make a motion that it reads 15 calendar. sorry uh, member brooke, there's a motion on the table. is a member. um sue's, uh, member webster's okay. yeah. so i would amend mine to 12 calendar days and add the city referenced with the jail visit. that was the community session you had with member palmer. not with me. i sent those materials to the city attorney for her. for them to review. okay. i don't want to. i don't want to get deep into that now. but then what you did and if we want to be transparent, then you had the city attorney send me a heads up that there

was a document. residents who were going off the path. no, i get it. but but this goes to the particular days. and so that was like on a friday and heads up and then, um, the city attorney informed me, if you'd like to calendar at this item at a date, please feel free to contact me. but you took the initiative and then just dumped the document on us without member palmer even having looked at the document. so, um, that is why i would like more time. and that way, if i need to seek legal counsel and get clearance and make sure everything, uh, is, is clear to be released to the public, i would appreciate that. so i'm so . i won't be so i won't be supporting adding whatever amendment you had. i'd rather go with member brueckner's motion. so, uh, i'm sorry, president. um, so there is a motion on the table. okay, i've amended my motion to say at least 12 calendar days. is there a

second? i'll second. there's a second. we'll take public comment for members of the public who would like to make public comment on line item seven. the amendment of the rules of order 1.14, please approach the podium when it is free. there appears to be no no public comment. call the roll and the quarterly report with the amendment to change to. i mean, i'm sorry i said it again accordingly. uh, calling the roll on the amendment to the sdlp rules of order 1.14 member wiktor's motion to change to 12 calendar days. member. mangal i mango is i member bruckner no. bruckner is no vice. uh member nguyen. no nguyen is no member. sue. no. sue is no member.

wicker. yes. director is. yes. the motion does not pass. i'd like to make a motion, uh, that it reads 15 calendar days. is there a second? second? thank public calling. the roll on the motion to 15. business days. no, it's calendar days. i'm sorry. 15 calendar days. correct. 15 calendar days. member. mango no. mango is no member. bruckner a bruckner is a member. nguyen a win is i president. sue i sue is i member wechter. no victor is no. it's a majority but it's. 3 to 2. 3 to 2. um but that's not

a quorum. okay. because it's a roll. because you're amending your rules. like, usually sort of procedural matters and things like that. it can be a majority of whose present. but you're amending your rules of order. i think that for that you should have and unfortunately we have member. carry on absent. so we may we may continue it i guess. yeah. if member karen wants to bring it up to the next meeting, we can entertain it at the next meeting. then the motion does not pass. so i make a motion that we continue this item for the next meeting. second. calling the roll to continue this item. member. mango i have a mango. is i. member bruckner i bruckner is i member nguyen a

win is i president sue i sue is i member victor i victor is i. the motion passes the line item will be continued to the next meeting. uh due. to time constraints. and since we already went over future agenda items in the priorities list, i moved to, uh, continue the future agenda items. so. so, dan , i just had one, one item because it was in the news. so we're going to touch on that. okay? colleen line item eight, future agenda items discussion and possible action item. and i'm going to call on member mango. yes i would like to for a future agenda item i want to discuss the situation regarding the rehire of scott new, the former deputy that was responsible for the fight club scandal and costly settlements to the city. so and i just wanted to make a clarification on at this particular juncture, this is, um, and, uh, general counsel baumgartner, if you want

to correct me. so this was arbitration. so, um, this situation arose so there. so excuse me just it's you're adding it as a future agenda item. you're not discussing it? no. we're just i'm just making a comment of what presentation we're going to have. okay. clarification yes. so this was arbitration. so this but there has not been a rehire yet. so whatever happened in the news is a little bit premature. and i want to have a presentation on on administrative investigations and criminal investigations. and the two shall not pass. but given that we have separate entities, uh, that shouldn't happen again. and, um, also, you know, the fifth amendment issues , but this happened ten years ago. so this is not part of the prior administration, obviously not part of the current leadership of the police department of accountability and general counsel. baumgartner this is a personnel related matter and cannot be discussed in public. okay. and that's my

opinion. your city attorney will and i would agree with that. and i just want to make sure again, we're inviting people to discuss it at the podium. and commenting on it further. i think you're outside of the agenda item at this point. okay so that's that is a concern. um, and i can't even talk. i mean, what's in the newspaper is not even i can talk. so yeah. so i mean, the things that have been reported in the media. so i just i think we've made it clear in the past, even when we were hiring the inspector general, people were saying, oh, we weren't recruiting nationwide. and we actually had someone fly in from florida. and i authorized the cost. so i'm just reminding people that whatever you read in the media is not necessarily accurate, but i still want to have a particular presentation. so it's not on this particular case, but in general about the separation of administrative investigations versus criminal investigations. ones. um, and that can certainly be talked about in public. yes. and that's and that's what we wanted to talk about. and and that, um,

it's not under one roof now. so it's um, so something similar is unlikely to happen again. and so that's i think what i want people to, to think about moving forward. yeah, i'm sure that the sheriff's office will respond to the request for information about the particular subject matter that you request. yes. um but i just wanted to point out that that particular matter is a personnel related matter. understood yeah. and so that's that's also why when i have requests for, like from the da's office, why cases get dropped or we have absolutely no idea, you don't know case charges get dropped for various reasons. and it's not necessarily a poorly run investigation. and you know, has. so it's i'd like to entertain particular issues and how we prevent issues negative issues from happening. but we can't go into the minutia or even mention particular cases. but i do want to address the separation. i don't know if you would like to do it, or we could

have. i'll have to talk to chief chiu and the sheriff's office about that particular thing. i okay. or we also dealt with the civil litigation regarding that particular matter. so i haven't been involved directly in okay or we could have mister kine also talk about since he's prosecuted cases before on police misconduct. and so i do administrative law and then i have to deal with superior court. so i'm also familiar. but i'd rather have someone who's, um, you know, familiar with law enforcement cases. yeah so just so i understand. so we're i get that we're not able to talk about that particular person, but what are we what's going to be on the agenda item then for future? the agenda item is talking about um, administrative investigation ations, criminal investigation actions, the fifth amendment. and so talking about how a similar for such situations in terms of investigation means that, um had shall we say, co-mingling. i

don't even know what the proper word is. that wouldn't happen again. that might cause particular actions that that the public is expecting to happen. doesn't happen. so i know i think i had had a conversation with you about, um, just in general about particular investigations and so how they're conducted, how they were conducted in the past versus moving forward and how they're conducted now is different from what happened in this particular case. i would also like a presentation from the sheriff on what procedure, if any, he has to refer to certification of deputies. to the post in light of a public defender. manu raju's letter regarding this issue that was published in mission local about the option of law enforcement forwarding

requests for decertification of a sworn officer to state post, not specifying any particular individual, but just is there a procedure. and has it been used? and if so, how many times? i'm sure the sheriff's office would you know we can forward that request to chief dunn. talk about that process. there is a process in place, but okay. he can talk about that process. thank you, thank you. okay and actually how long do we get to have you grace our presence because i hear that your, um, joy of traveling and other things, other than work is in the near future here. yes, i am my retirement date is april 12th. that's i'm retiring as of that date. after 32 years of service for the city. i think it's time. but yeah. um, so i won't be here for the march meeting, but i will be here for the april meeting. ronnie's out of town that week, so i'm making sure i'm there for that week. but, um, that will be it for me. we you will be missed. thank

you. i appreciate that. okay. thank you very much. all right. dan sorry. going back to you. was that all the discussion for future. thank you. for members of the public would like to make public comment on item eight. item item eight. uh, future event agenda items. please approach the podium when it is free. calling line item nine. general public comment. at this time, the public is welcome to address the board for up to two minutes on items that did not appear on this afternoon's agenda, but are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the sheriff's department oversight board. during public comment, neither sheriff personnel nor any board members are required to respond to questions, but to buy the public, but may provide a brief response. if you would like to make public comment, please approach the podium when it is three. as a reminder, you have two minutes to give public comment. thank you. um, as a parent of someone who is

incarcerated, what happens instead in the media is very traumatizing because we don't know what happens behind locked doors. i just recently read an article in the mission local that was very frightening to me and many parents. i run a support group called families understanding the system, where we all have a loved one that's in jail. we're either mothers, grandparents, wives, etc. the first thing that we read was share will rehire ex-deputy behind s.f. fight club scandal. that is the most scariest thing that i had to wake up to and read. i hope that this oversight board really looks into this and that things like this don't happen. imagine for those families that had to endure that. i actually one of the parents that come to my support group, one of them is her grandson. we're talking about an 80 year old woman who does not have access to emails or computers or mobility to even be there to visit her son, her only way of communicating with her child during that time, on the

seventh floor, was through the cards that she buys from the dollar store, as she stated, and i hope that these meetings are also moved to the community. so people can have more access to them. because coming to city hall and looking for parking for people like miss jones, who can't come here, is not accessible to the community. so if you want more community voices and want to hear the horrible things like myself that a mother has to go through, then please make these meetings more accessible to community. thank you. thank you. and i just want to put out to those of you who attended today, we do need your assistance. so, joanna, i don't know if you know that we had planned a lot of community meetings. if you look at our annual report and some of them, we had maybe just a handful of people appear or we didn't have a quorum. so we'd like to revisit those again. but we do ask for our community members to have a commitment to be there and voice your opinion and dan works really hard to get. it's an extra layer of work for him to do the community meetings, but we are that we're about being out there and some we some

feedback we got was some people like, why are you even doing this? we'd rather come to city hall. so we've been kind of juggling different. i have to call in sick to come in. so yeah. yeah. so for us, you know, just to have more accessibility, i mean, maybe you can use the sheriff's platform. he's really popular on instagram and tiktok, so maybe you guys can post some of those meetings there. okay. thank you. hernandez. if you can send me your email, then i can, um, let you know if we do plan community meetings. zdob. yeah, just zdob at sf gov. org. thank you, mr. phil. it's a sort of follow up from what i started by saying to the board of supervisors, uh, two weeks ago now, but i'm going to extend it's okay. we don't care who you are, where you come from, the skies don't care what matters is what you do. so the time is

running out to in order to be happy. and that's the goal. so in order to be happy, you have to do the right things. because no matter what, nothing's free. so you are going go. sorry, you're going to have to pay for what you do, what you've been doing. there's no escape. there is nowhere to hide anymore. under. ground, nowhere. the sky is no where you are all the time. it's not a religious thing . it's much beyond that. so you can't hide. so do the right thing to be happy. stop acting like a zombie or a fake surgeon, sir. because it's not going to make you happy. and make others happy. after that, your time is done. you earned your life and happy. so the sheriff, his role

is to do what? because it's going to have to pay more. because he is failing. maybe to enforce the law. and so you see, understand. it can't be happy at the end of the day. so that's the problem. again never mind. i have to pay for what i do too. i pay big time. i'm happy. in fact , for doing what i'm doing. but i pay because it's an extreme pressure on me to try to pass the message to you to be happy. i'm not joking. it's a tough job . i like it because i know i'm doing the what i've been ordered to do. i have a good afternoon. thank you, mr. phil. it appears to be no further public comment. calling line item ten. adjournment action item. all those in favor? aye aye. any nays? meeting is adjourned at 4:40 p.m. thank you.

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