>> i'll call the meeting. it is fire commission regular meeting, may 22, 2024, and the time is 5 o'clock. this meeting is being held in person. members of the public may attend the meeting to observe and provide public comment at the physical location or calling 415-655-0001 and using meeting id, 26642545416. the webinar password is 1234. members of the public may

address the commission up to 3 minutes. please insure you are in a quite location, speak clearly, press star 3 to be added to the queue. the system will notify qu when you are in line. callers will hear silence while waiting to speak. operator will unmute you. you may watch live at www.sfgovtv.org. roll call. morgan, present. fraser, [indiscernible] steven [indiscernible] chief of department, jeanine nicholson. >> present. >> president morgan will now read the land acknowledgment. >> thank you madam secretary. the san francisco fire commission we acknowledge that we are on the

unceded ancestral homeland of the ramaytush ohlone who are the original inhabitants of the san francisco peninsula. as the indigenous stewards of this land and in accordance with their traditions, the ramaytush ohlone have never ceded, lost nor forgotten their responsibilities as the caretakers of this place, as well as for all peoples who reside in their traditional territory. as guests, we recognize that we benefit from living and working on their traditional homeland. we wish to pay our respects by acknowledging the ancestors and relatives of the ramaytush community and by affirming their sovereign rights as first peoples. >> item 2, general public comment. members of the public may address the commission up to 3 minutes on any matter within the commission jurisdiction that does not appear on the agenda. speakers shall address the remarks to the commission as a whole and

not individual commissioner or personnel. not to enter into debate or discussion with the speaker. the lack of response by the commissioners or department personnel does not necessarily constitute agreement with or support of statements made during public comment. >> good evening. we won't let you down, so i'm not letting you down. it will come after the revolution. [indiscernible] it will be a secret, so don't tell anyone. it is a secret. the unintelligence behind the technology, absolutely [indiscernible] that manage to steal

[indiscernible] so, if you think this unintelligence is protecting you, i think you are in a world of illution, from which you better wake up, because it is worse. i think that is what i should say. i leave the rest for the [indiscernible] otherwise there is no secret. have a good night. >> there is nobody else approaching the podium. and nobody on the public

comment line. item 3, approval of the minutes. discussion and possible action to approve the meeting minutes from may 8, 2024. >> any questions or comments about the meeting for may 8? >> [indiscernible] >> i second. >> i vote aye. >> unanimous. >> thank you. >> any public comment on the minutes? there is nobody approaching the podium and nobody on the public comment line. item 4, chief of department report. report from chief of department, jeanine nicholson on issues

activities and events in the department since the meeting may 8, 2024 including budget academy, special events communication and outreach to other government agencies and the public and report from operation deputy chief darius luttropp report on overall field operations including greater alarm fires bureau of fire prevention and investigation and training within the department and air portment division. >> good evening president morgan, vice president fraser, commissioner collins, maureen, command staff. i'm chief jeanine nicholson and this is my report. since our last commission meeting on may 8. on may 8, chief luttropp and i attended a policy group exercise with dem and pd and all sorts of other

departments for a city wide disaster drill for earthquake and chief luttropp shown in the meeting, shined, i don't know the correct term. we have our plan-we have a disaster plan, a strong one, a good one and we are ready to go to work, so there will be some follow-up on that for sure group exercises which i think is really good and should happen on a regular basis with the city. the exercise with a 7.8 earthquake in san francisco, so that was-yeah, good experience. on mother's day, happy belated mother's day to commissioner collins and commissioner feinstein.

commissioner fraser and commissioner collins and i attended the sisal williams celebration of life and we went to church that day. it was really quite a wonderful celebration over at glide memorial and the end of a era. this week-monday we had the unveiling of the headuators mural. you may have seen photos of it, but seeing in person is pretty cool and we worked with the academy of art and their students designed it and put it up on the wall. 22 year old young woman, student designed it, and she sort of ran the show and directed 6 or 8 other students in terms of putting it on the wall, so it is pretty great, and we are going to continue to build out some of the stuff at headquarters from there, so

more partnerships in the future with academy of art. they have been a wonderful partner with us thus far. attended a sb43, which is senate bill 43 which has to do with conservatorship and 5150 folks for mental health and drug and alcohol issues and since january, when that law went into effect, 60 people had been conserved by the city. there are 701 people in conservatorship in the city, and 60 thus far this year, and i can tell you that is an astronomical leap because of this senate bill. i dont know how many we had last year. one or two. not sure. so, some things are moving in a good direction to get folks help and

who really really need it. and our hands had been tied before. we had a labor management meeting yesterday with local 798. they had an ordinance introduced at the board of supervisors yesterday by supervisor stefani to create an ordinance to create a charter amendment ballot measure. in 2010 or 2012 there was what was called pension reform done and what happened was, it changes the retirement age in the fire department for folks hired after 2012 from 55 to 58. right now it is 55 is when you max out in terms of percentage per year and it changed to 58, and so, that was introduced at the board and we will see where that goes, but it is not

something we necessarily do or get involved in. that is for the politicians to figure out with local 798, but just so you know, that may come up on your radar at some point. all wreak is ems appreciation week and a shout out to all our folks in ems and community paramedicine and those in suppression that do a lot of the ems work as well. we went to--with cd2, 3 and cd4 was there. went to station 49 on monday to greet everyone and provide them with a meal for the day, and i will be hopefully getting out to community paramedicine on evan street as well this week. yesterday there was a wonderful award ceremony. this happens every ems week, so it was

ems award ceremony and three of our members were acknowledged for their wonderful work. emt frank was acknowledged for--he was at ucsf with his partner and they were stuck in triage, which is-this may be the only time it was a good thing they were stuck in triage for extended period. he went to the ambulance to retrieve a water bottle and saw someone about to attempt suicide by jumping off a large construction container. he had a nuse around his neck so he immediately went over to intervene and there was somebody filming it, and he immediately went to intervene and de-escalate and spoke to the man and man jumped anyway so he grabbed him and lifted him up and prevented him being ephyxiated and called for help so saved the life that man and got him

into ucsf in stable physical condition and hopefully that person has you know, gotten the help he needed, but frank keener was recognized for that. our section chief of community paramedicine, april slone was acknowledged for disaster planning and great work she has done over the years . she had her hands involved in anything and everything to tactic ems, active shooter, manual stuff and community paramedicine. emily tam was acknowledged for her role as a community paramedic. she does go the extra mile and she's done several things that were not required or asked of her, including collecting clothing and shoes and gift cards for folks, so that our

community paramedics have things to give out to folks on the street, and she was also instrumental in getting a program going in chinatown, called life line where they worked with non-english speaking community to get folks to fill out all their medical information, medicines, the conditions they have, their conditions, et cetera on a card for us so we don't have to scurry around and waste time trying to get information on somebody when it is right there for us and so, and her mother has been involved because her mother speaks cantonese and several other members have been involved in this, so hopefully it will be rolled out

to other non-english speaking communities in the city. stuff like that, she doesn't have to do any that and she does it so she was recognized. it is nice to have a feel-good ceremony and the private ambulance, the emsa, the sheriff department and department of public health, the emsa and the physician who runs emergency services at general, dr. coldwell, they were all there. it was a nice really nice ceremony. our budget, we are just about done. director corso this afternoon is wrapping up with the mayor budget office, so we will get the final final of our budget from the mayor's office today or tomorrow, and we are meeting with supervisors on the budget committee in coming weeks, prior to you know, when they have budget

hearings. we want to give them all the information they need prior to the budget hearings, so they know what's happening. in any case, we are going to the budget committee members and talking to them about our inability to cut, due to impact on operations, increased call volume, taking more calls for the police department, and the state of our fleet and infrastructure. the pfos free turn-outs that will be a cost to the department, et cetera, et cetera, so we are standing strong on that and hopefully we will have good meetings with them. graduation is next friday at 4 p.m. for the h2 academy. hopefully we'll see some of you there and i want to congratulate commissioner fraser i believe. you were sworn in two years ago

this week. sorry i don't know anyone else sworn in, but--and then last but not least, we had numerous fires and this week and our folks have made some really-done some really impressive work and good saves. saved peoples lives and there is one high profile fire from yesterday on grove street where our folks did a great job and made an incredible-saved a life. that is really good news, but sorry that fire happened at all, but our folks are just really on the suppression side of things doing a wonderful job in terms of fires, and we had another rescue today on

potrero and so, good things happening there and as always, happy ems and community paramedics as well. happy ems appreciation week. they are also doing stellar work out there and as we can see from the award ceremony. that concludes my report. happy to take any questions. >> [indiscernible] at this time, i like to see if there is any public comment, madam secretary. >> there is nobody approaching the podium and nobody on the public comment line. >> fellow commissioners, anyone like to ask the chief a question? okay, go ahead commissioner collins. >> just want to say how appreciative the whole glide community was

that both of you attended. reverend williams ceremony. it was very much as you know, community event and having the department represented really meant a lot, so thank you for being there. >> thank you. >> i'm saying that, because i sit on the board of glide. we are putting on that other hat while i'm sitting here. i wanted to extend thanks on behalf of everyone there. >> thank you. yeah. the end of a era and yeah, so-- >> hopefully-- >> we'll continue that wonderful work will continue, i'm certain that. yeah. >> commissioner fraser. >> thank you. thank you commissioner collins for that. i have to say, it was an amazing experience and i left there feeling like it is going to go on full speed ahead, non stop and that made

me very happy, as did the entire service, which was incredible. just incredible to be in that audience. thank you chief for your report. i guess the only question i have is, a little bit about the conservator. so, i guess it is important for us to keep track a little bit that, so if there's a need or opportunity for us to advocate for more ongoing, whatever it is that has to happen because it looks like the need is of course rising. never going down, but that it is rising, so the 701 or 60 current since january, i think that is a important number for us to know and at least keep our eyes on. >> yes. under chief pang are keeping really good data around it, and we had a meeting with police and dph and others yesterday-yesterday or today?

i can't remember. yesterday. and, you know talked about our collaboration and often the challenges is placement for folks, so--but we are continuing the good work. >> for sure. absolutely. and then the only thing, appreciate the update on the pfas turn-outs what we can do to make sure there are funds available as soon as possible so we can outfit our people in the safest jackets outfits, turn-outs possible. >> we do have a $3 million grachbt grants we will be expending on those turnouts and we also need to be really smart about purchasing, so doing fit testing with two different manufacturers now and we want to make sure this technology works as

far as moisture barrier and protecting members in that way. i don't want to put all my money down on the first product that comes out, so we want to make sure there are other-and there are other products being worked on that hopefully will be out by the end of the year, but yes, and we will keep you apprised of it as we keep the board of supervisors apprised of our progress on that. >> is that enough money or close? >> $2.3 million, no. we need probably 10 to $12 million. >> good to know. thank you very much for the report. >> chief, thank you for your report and good news about the conservatorship. is that scott wiener's senate bill? >> could be, not sure, but it was definitely a collaborative effort on it

to get some things changed for people that are really suffering on the streets and we had our hands tied and could not help them. it was a horrible feeling for our folks in ems and community paramedicine. we can't-you know? so, yeah, it's a good tool and our folks have been trained up properly on it and are trying to do the best for folks who are really really in need of help and cant help themselves. >> that is good some of our local politicians can collaborate with you guys and give you what you need and do great stuff like that. >> yeah. >> scott wiener and probably matt haney might have been involved in it, the usual suspects. they continue to do good work there and i appreciate it. the retirement deal, so who initiated that?

>> local 798. >> they initiated it. okay. >> they initiated it and they are pushing it with the board of supervisors and other elected's and with all the mayoral candidates, they are going to push with them as well. yeah. >> interesting. okay. >> and another bill or another ordinance introduced by supervisor safai, who is also in the mayor's race was giving public safety pension to 911 call takers and dispatch, which they are a part of public safety, but he also included nurses in that and not sure what percentage or who he included in--so, yeah--it is a strange one, so we'll see what happens with

that, but yeah, all sorts of political maneuvering happening. >> yeah, i like to echo the appreciation of the ems week and shout out to all the ems workers. keep up the great work and i just want to commend emily tam. >> yes. >> okay. and you mentioned another person, i forgot her name? >> april slone, section chief. >> i hear that name a lot and i met her i'm sure. >> i asked--we were in the theater in the main library downstairs there, and i asked who here does not know april slone, please raise your hand. there were just a couple hands, but yes, and then frank caner as

well. >> great. i like to commend both of them. keep up the great work and you mentioned the ucsf incident. did that happened on the construction site or was the guy that attempted suicide? >> it happened in the right outside where we have our ambulances in the ambulance bay area, but there was a construction barrel or container right there- >> [indiscernible] >> there was piping or don't know what was above him, but he was able to secure a rope there. >> great work. >> yeah. >> i like to commend that firefighter as well. and the budget, how-- >> we were asked to cut 10 percent and additional 5 percent as all departments were, and so we have i think

pretty much successfully pushed back on that because that would significantly impact our operations, so what we do each year when they ask for cuts is we show them exactly what that operational impact would look like, so many engines and ambulances and it would look like a crazy number of rigs out of service every single day, and we just cannot afford that with the increase in call volume, with the extended wait times at hospitals, with the rapid growth of fires, just with everything. seconds and minutes count, so i think they understand that and so, we are not cutting 10 percent, we are not cutting the additional 5 percent, and i'm not sure of the final final, but mark corso will be able to fill us in and fill you in hopefully coming weeks.

>> hopefully we won't get a lot of push-back on that. i know the replacement of the turn-outs didn't help or not-- >> yeah, no-yeah, it showed we have more need then we already have, because we have a great need with our vehicles and our infrastructure. we have training. all sorts of things, so we do our best to be as creative as possible in terms of grants and other funding opportunities and partnerships, but-so yeah, i dont have the final final from director corso, but we'll keep you posted about it. >> thank you. more about the turn-outs, i made comments, i didn't mean to seem insensitive about the replacement in the last meeting, but i read some that article about the turn-outs and

they gave the impression the replacements were not quite as reliable as the pfas ones. so, i had concerns with that. >> i have concerns with that as well, and so that is why we are doing this testing with our members in the field, so they are wearing them right now and it is my understanding that they may not last as long as our other turn-outs, so--but if you put that up against-assuming they do work well as a moisture barrier and all that other stuff, if you put that up against you know, some of our cancer rates and all that, you know, it matters, but we also have the responsibility of insuring that our members are following every policy that we have on the books to help prevent cancer, so our over-haul policy, the air monitoring policy, our decontamination policy, et

cetera, et cetera, because those things are super important pieces of the puzzle. yeah, it is all part of it. >> so, how realistic do you think aaron peskin's bill is to replace them all by-was it june 2025? >> june 2026. that is going to be challenging to do, to a find the money, and b get it done, but we will keep you posted on it and we are required by the bill to also keep the board of supervisors posted i think on a quarterly basis, so we'll do so and yeah-- >> we sure do appreciate the $2.3 million from the feds. that helps. >> yeah. our folks down getting grants and doing all the work, the footwork on

that stuff. shiloh and mark corso help us out. >> mr. corso did a great job. sorry i missed the glide memorial service, sounds like it was a great situation. sorry i missed that event, i wanted to go but didn't make it. thank you for your report, chief. >> thank you. >> i guess we can move to chief luttropp's report. unless we need-we don't need public comment. chief luttropp, you have the floor, sir. >> good evening. chief nicholson, maureen, command staff. my name is deputy chief luttropp and this is my report for april of 24. as you can see from the

suppression stats for the month of april, there was no unusual increase or trends. we are on pace for total boxes working fires. there were two greater alarms in this month. first i like to report out is, box number 2455, which occurred on the 6th of april at 689 kansas street, across 18th and 19th. the incident commander assistant chief baker. at [indiscernible] potrero hill neighborhood and he notes this neighborhood a known hazard for overhead wires and older houses. there were winds up to 20mile her hour winds which had a impact on this fire. the house itself, beautiful home. you can see from the picture on the left that there was a clear attic conversion that occurred in the

structure, so it had gone from 2 floors of dwelling space to 3 and it was recognized by the units on scene that they would encounter the type of fire. the fire was hidden initially from us. it was started by roofing that was going on at the lowest level. there was penetration of the wall and the fire had a chance to get a decent amount of headway in the void spaces in the wall and there was significant and large voids in this building, which you can see demonstrated on the right. on the right, this is the staircase that is immediately adjacent to the attic space, the path of travel. again, a beautiful home with a decent amount of plywood and cladding on the wall so it took a while for fire to be detected and by then it was in the void spaces extensively. companies 29 and 37 confronted

with moderate smoke over the roof line and began the investigative process. when they were achieving water supply and ladders raised the smoke conditions worsened significantly, probably do to the wind driven effect. this fipe type of fire in a void space, on the left side you can see the attic conversion, the significant voids created by walls not uncommon in homes in san francisco. once fire is in these spaces, there is no practical way to suppress the fire accept for removing all the cladding to the walls and ceiling and fighting the fire that way. it creates dramatic damage to the structure but the structure was saved and [indiscernible] you can see on the right hand side, the depth of the attic space created over the living

space on the top floor. the predecessor chief [indiscernible] and operation chief, two in the roof right now worked very hard on training in the last two years for this specific type of fire. the training addressed fires and fighting fire in the void spaces and seen over the last 2 months and report out next month a number of fires and as the chief said, the operation and companies on scene have increased dramatically in effectiveness with the training that the chiefs build and guidance through our division on training to the units in the field. they were able to put this fire out with significant amount damage, but saving the structure. once they realized the amount of work that had to occur and the fact there

was high potential to spread to the bravo and delta so to adjacent structures to the right and left a second alarm was struck and all units worked very very very hard at this fire. you can see there was a ton of physical labor that went into the fire and great deal saving the structure next to 689 kansas street. the second fire i'll report out today occurred early morning hours at 426 on 426. this is a fire that i reported to you a couple times or type of fire. this is building under construction. you can see the heavy scaffolding with gilgamesh that obscures the front of it building with significant fire on arrival. the reporting parties reported

as 4 floors of fire. the chief was assistant chief ken yee. on arrival the engineer company, not the areaving chief requested second alarm recognizing potential spread to adjacent structures and the difficulty fighting the fire. this was vacant and reported as vacant in the initial reporting, but they as we always do in the city of san francisco, attempted to fight the fire in the most traditional manner which is enter the front door, suppress fire quickly on interior, they were hampered in this effort by the body of fire which burned out the floors on the second and third floor and had compromised the stairs. once this was recognized by companies on scene, the chief made the appropriate decision to withdraw the companies from intear interiors of the building and ladders with hose

spraying watting to hold the fire to building of origin. that plan was instituted. all members accounted for in the street. the ladder pipe operation commenced. the fire was darkened and suppressed to a level where we could resume interior operations. this in my early days of firefighter career was referred to as transitional attack. that name is moved around in definition, but what we'll refer in your report is that it was a offensive operation that went to defensive operation that resumed as offensive operation. there was one injury at this fire, but you can see that the significant hazards they encountered did not stop them hold ing to the belding origin without significant damage to the adjacent structures and the strong work by everybody involved. fire watch was used to deter rekindle

and that comes up occasionally in the reports. fire watch means we leave units on scene under supervision and the direct report to assistant chiefs who rotate through the night just to maintain our status on the scene that we are still in control of this fire building and if there is rekindle or another fire we are not relying on report from outside party and suppress the fire immediately and it won't get a chance to grow. this is the fire afterwards. it was not red tagged by dbi so the structures was considered relatively in tact and home owners took possession and will go back to work on it. i like to highlight when i get the chance the line items from suppression statistics that don't rise to greater alarm and interesting or worthy of note. box 7655 on 44th avenue on forth floor.

another matching number set. my friend isn't here to tell me what that means. this ladder to the window demonstrates a less commonly used tactic that our firefighters introduce to in their recruit academy that is trained on frequently enough that the skill is maintained, but very rarely used by the members of the fire department. the occupant that room because of the fire conditions and the rest of the building was not able to be remuchbed through the structure, which is our standard form of rescue, and was taken down over the ladder safely and was transported with miner injuries so i wanted to highlight this. it doesn't really get called out in the one little line in your report, but strong strong work by our firefighters and chiefs and are the initiative they showed and training that goes into it. that's the end of my slides, which brings us to the prevention

investigation. in all of the chief's numbers, i will direct you to page 12 where our notice of violations as predicted, there was a dramatic increase with the 5 year inspection and permitting program. they have leveled out, so now the bureau fire prevention is doing its work to go remedy these notices of violation to do inspections, get everybody in compliance and we'll see those numbers come down. through the rest of their inspections, they are on track and on task and managing to do the work that they need to do with some staffing concerns. 22 and 23, chief-sorry, commissioner fraser--highlighted these maps which willp continue to appear in the

report. page 23 is the aggration over the 1 year period and as i said in the last report, we have seen dramatic increase in our number outside fires. i have a chief working right now to increase the validity and value of our national fire incident reporting system so we have a better insight into the types of fires that we are receiving as outside fires. they continue to increase, but there is nothing in the pattern on page 22 inconsistent with the previous month. for the purposes of the fire marshal major concern, besides all the bureau fire prevention investigation, interaction with the mta and with the task process. we had some good forward movement on that relationship in the month of april where we were given a direct

liaison for captain flores at the mta to streamline our understanding of their projects. chief coughlin and i continue to work with the mta and controller's office to come up with design guidelines that will streamline that process further. another thing that occurred in the month of april was some work for us from the mta for vehicle blight or traffic blight preemption, because there will be great impacts on our response patterns and response times presumably from no turn on red in north of market and south of market area so that work continues and are thank the mta for assistance on that. and fire investigation, you can see is very busy. page 28. 11 structure fires, 13 vehicle fires, 2 outside fires and 5 others with 3 arrests made in the month so bureau fire investigation working very

hard. sfo chief darcie not in attendance and highlight this for a moment for all the other things chief darcie does for the agency, with the city and for the greater fire service community is currently at a fire skilled meeting firefighter operations and serves as the fire department representation on a number fire scope committees so that the needs of city like san francisco are not lost in the grand california fire agency, which can focus heavily on wild land firefighter or suburban community fire fighting and really get the metropolitan area needs addressed so that is where he is at and work highlighted in his report, including his attendance at the air craft rescue-he also serves on

national nfpa and other regulatory groups for his specific part of the us house is aircraft res it cue and fire fighting so doing grite work for the airport long-term. [indiscernible] pfsa free foam. foam besides our turn hp out equipment was the source of pfas in the firefighter community so that is being moved completely from our inventory and he will be the leader in that, because obviously at the airport, they use a significant amount of foam and it is their primary mean of suppressing fire. they can't just use water solely to fight a aircraft fire. and his work on this also leads to interviews and currents process through the city attorney office of pursuing legal action for recovery of

cost for pfas injury and foam. i will highlight that, they conductsed the faa inspection in the month of april at the airport and he anticipated that after a number of years getting through with hundred percent marks, there is probably miner--they brought in toughest inspector to inspect the airport and inspect particularly the airport division of the airport and he got through hundred percent again. don't know what to tell you about this guy. on page 30, something leaped out at me because i'm very jealous. if we go to his news letter, they got the tour on 8380. i dont know-commissioner collins you been on 8380? i'm very jealous and look forward to the next chance to get on 8380 and maybe get a solid tour, but

seems like a fantastic opportunity. that air plane crash didn't occur in san francisco. [indiscernible] and training, chief [indiscernible] is as busy as ever. some things i highlight, rwc jet ski certification, this was a class held for station 4 in mission bay area and this is part of a longer term plan to increase our ability to respond to water rescue on bay side and southeast portion of the city so the plan is moving forward and thank the chief supporting the class and supporting so heavily. page 36 and 37 was

demonstration of two events that occurred simultaneously at division of training. the chief highlighted this and the amount of work going on at the division and training on this day. it included not only the probationary class and the recruit class of h2, but also h3 level 2, but there was a demonstration with members of the california oes command staff in attendance and representation from the iaff, not just local, but the president was in attendance of our helicopter rescue plan, the hrt which i have spoken of in the past and this because it was earthquake centered, demonstrated our insertion of a rescue k-9, not unlike the rascal in the corner, into a rubble pile to

demonstrate the ability to [indiscernible] just increase in capacity, wonderful drill and we were able to take possession of a trainer or prop for firefighter rescue and survival training, provided through the international association of firefighters and their trainers trained --to pass their version of the training on and this use of a trailer allows us to bring that to the field and not necessarily wait for a time period where the division of training isn't as full as it was on this day, but that actually expanded to our 19th and folsom location or where we have space to put this trainer and we can bring in service companies to it with our trainers and conduct wonderful

training. i do want note page 39 and this isn't a change, but there are 101 probationary members in the field and that is the joy we have hiring large classes and joy increasing membership and reducing mandatory overtime and building succession and resiliency into our workforce, it is heavy heavy work load on division on training and managing 101 probationary members in the field while doing all these other things and wanted to call that out. page 43 is the work of our special operation training captain. another one i refer to in the past that is our voice in specialized rescue and training nationally and at the state level and with that in mind the chief signed a letter of intent to

develop a regional task force. urban search and rescue regional tang task force, the development and implementation has been sended to assistant deputy chief miller because of his strong work with task force 3 over the years and to [indiscernible] and we anticipate a quick adoption and roll out of this program. it probably won't be in the 4 months i told oes but a much shorter timeframe i anticipate other agencies able to accomplish this. for nert, they had the city wide drill at spark social on 4-20. well attended, many members of the command staff, commissioner nakajo was there. a wonderful opportunity to see nert in operations and for them to interact with our firefighters and also gives the opportunities to pull one

member of the organizations aside and ask them to take the temporary nert coordinator position, so lieutenant jonathan honda has been named temporary nert coordinator and like to make announcement that and look forward to great things from john honda. that is the end of this portion of the report, but in the past we talked about our interactions with autonomous vehicles and the state of play with autonomous vehicles so i'll point out thijs in april. in april i traveled to sacramento and testify in the transportation subcommittee on assembly member tang ab1777. it passed through transportation unanimously. it has since gone on to appropriations, where it also passed unanimously and continues to move quickly through the assembly and we expect adoption of this bill and it has nearly all of

the things the chief asked for as well as changes to the california vehicle code or changes in reporting and then an attempt at a way to sanction the companies for not complying with california vehicle code. another group, at the national level with department of transportation, they have a committee technology and transportation advisory commission, the head that commission is a chief from chandler arizona who was good enough to invite us to the meetings, so commander nicole jones and myself had a opportunity to present. it was well received and a meeting we had today, they actioned the 5 initiatives proposed by the chief for the industry and those will move from

that advisory group to the department of transportation. so, it continues to move and we look forward to success all around. our wamo meetings continue next week and zukes has been approved for a measured roll out in the city of san francisco. i expect to see their driverless carriages on the streets with passengers by the end of this year, and that's the end of my report. >> [unable to hear speaker because microphone isn't on. >> there is nobody approaching the podium and nobody on the public comment line. >> [indiscernible] >> chief luttropp, with the bill moving through its stages on

autonomous vehicles, do you have a sense of the timing of approval and adoption that bill? >> i do not. there are four bills currently moving through the assembly that directly relate to autonomous vehicles. there may be some attempt to align these bills prior to their adoption, adoption. haney's bill has a lot more interaction with the vehicle code, but so far it has been moving very swiftly. >> thank you. >> i got a couple things. thank you chief luttropp, very interesting report. i justerous just wanted to share with you and the others in the command staff, the fire at potrero hill, a block from my house, the resident that home is a very involved and known member in that community and i

went over there-i was there the day of the fire and went the next morning and she was in the house trying to find things and she was in shock of course and pawing through what was left after the fire and she said, i want to show you something. we climbed up the crispy charred stairs, it was insane, because she wanted to show the upper floor, in the back is her office, her computer, business records, all her files and she wanted me to know so i could tell you all that somebody, someone or several someones in our fire department found something to throw over to protect her stuff in her office and she was very very appreciative that and very touched by that. meanwhile, everything else was pretty much destroyed, but it made a impression. it really did, so i wanted to share that and say thank you for her and for

all of us for those efforts that don't often-they are often invisible and not often acknowledged enough. congratulations to the division of training, 101. unbelievable probationary firefighters out there. that's incredible. what is a knee wall? >> a knee wall--so-go back to the picture. a knee wall is just a description of a short non -bearing wall used to cover for the most part just where the angles of the roof meet the angle of the floor. sometimes it is used for storage, sometimes-- >> [indiscernible] >> as you can see, it is often a significant space, and depending on the method of instillation, if the wall behind it isn't finished, then

you get continuous bays. this house is of a age that it was what we call balloon frame construction, so there is continuous are void that travels through the stud bays from the seal all the way to the top of the attic, so a knee wall can be hazardous if fire isn't detected and activity is taking place, if there is advanced fire with smoke inside of it, there can be hostile fire events. we call it smoke explosion. so, it is incumbent on members to be prepared to fight fire when they open the spaces, but for the most part allows there to be a unchecked void and then all that material has to be removed and water applied. >> 1907, a knee wall year.

also, i wanted to say congratulations on the mta liaison. i know that's a really important thing going forward. the work that you all do to make sure we can--our people can get to where they need to go as quickly as possible. and then my last question is, the 3 arrests. are those arson arrests or what does that mean? are those- >> those are arrests for arson. >> okay, great. thanks again for shouting out the outdoor fires and increase in outdoor fires. and great report. thank you so much. >> thank you chief luttropp. very descriptive report and this is--and all the other departments here, like sfo. great report on that accident

in japan and when i first started reading, i was browsing and said i didn't hear about this. it is in japan. you know what i mean. we can learn from these incidents because that can be a very dangerous place, a airport and you got all these planes coming in and leaving out and going the wrong runway, it is scary. i get the willies every time i drive to a airport like that. i remember we did the tour and are we safe out here or is a plane going to land on is? that could be very intense. i enjoy reading about the report and like to thank chief darcie for that. i like all the pictures in the

report. hopefully nothing ever happens like that at sfo. two planes colliding. it is what it is. and, i like the descriptions in the fire. you did that just for me when you were describing the building, the left side, the bravo side. i always forget which side is bravo side and which is delta side. you pointed that out, so i can get a picture in my mind what happened. fortunately, those guys that were on the roof with a tourch didn't help matters, but stuff happens. i guess they were working on the roofing, the ceiling or whatever? trying to seal it up with membranes or something and it got hot. i was referring to the 689 kansas street. >> correct.

>> yeah. they were on scene and very helpful and told us what happened. >> and no injuries. engine 29 and 37 showed up just in time. good deal. unfortunate about the incident with all the scaffolding in the way and i like the descriptions you gave with offensive and defensive and painting a good picture of your tactics there, so i appreciated that. and then the other thing is, just like to commend the department of training for all the new recruits and all the training. like to commend chief [indiscernible] all the great work she's doing and she might have left. just a great report and won't hold you

much longer chief luttropp. thank you for your time and descriptive report. >> thank you. >> we'll move on to item 5. public comment on item 6. public comment on all matters pertaining to 6b below including public comment on whether to hold item 6b in closed session. is and there is nobody approaching the podium and nobody on the public comment line. >> okay. >> possible closed session regarding public employee appointment hiring. vote whether to conduct 6b in closed session. may hear in closed session persund to

code 54957b and san francisco administrative code 6710b. >> is there a motion is in >> i move we hold item 6b in closed session. >> i vote yes. >> the motion unanimous and we'll go into closed session at 604. [closed session]

[meeting reconvened] >> we are back in open session. there is nothing to report, no action taken in closed session, so item 5 is vote to elect whether to disclose any or all discussion held in closed session. >> [unable to hear speaker] >> not to disclose? >> second. >> the motion unanimous and item 9 is adjournment. >> i like to make a motion to adjourn. >> all in favor?

this meeting is adjourned at 6:20. [meeting adjourned]

>> once i got the hang of it a little bit, you know, like the first time, i never left the court. i just fell in love with it and any opportunity i had to get out there, you know, they didn't

have to ask twice. you can always find me on the court. [♪♪♪] >> we have been able to participate in 12 athletics wheelchairs. they provide what is an expensive tool to facilitate basketball specifically. behind me are the amazing golden state road warriors, which are one of the most competitive adaptive basketball teams in the state led by its captain, chuck hill, who was a national paralympic and, and is now an assistant coach on the national big team. >> it is great to have this opportunity here in san francisco. we are the main hub of the bay

area, which, you know, we should definitely have resources here. now that that is happening, you know, i i'm looking forward to that growing and spreading and helping spread the word that needs -- that these people are here for everyone. i think it is important for people with disabilities, as well as able-bodied, to be able to see and to try different sports, and to appreciate trying different things. >> people can come and check out this chairs and use them. but then also friday evening, from 6:00 p.m. until 8:00 p.m., it will be wheelchair basketball we will make sure it is available, and that way people can no that people will be coming to play at the same time. >> we offer a wide variety of adaptive and inclusion programming, but this is the first time we have had our own

equipment. [♪♪♪] good morning. the meeting will come to order. welcome to the may 22nd, 2024 meeting of the budget and finance committee. i'm supervisor connie chan,

chair of the committee. i'm joined by vice chair raphael mandelman and hopefully shortly by supervisor myrna melgar. there she is. our clerk is brant halpa. i would like to thank eugene. labbadia. and for from sfgovtv for broadcasting this meeting. mr. clerk, do you have any announcement? thank you, madam chair. just a friendly reminder for those in attendance to please silence your cell phones so as to not interrupt our proceedings, public comment will be taken on each item on this agenda, when your item of interest comes up and public comment is called, please line up to speak along the curtains to your, to your right, my left and, yeah, right along those curtains. and while not necessary to provide public comment, we do invite you to fill out a comment card and leave them on the tray by the television to your left, by the doors, if you wish to be accurately recorded for the minutes. should you have any documents to be included as part of the file, this should be submitted to myself, the clerk, alternatively, you may submit

public comment in writing in either of the following ways. he mailed them to myself, the budget and finance committee clerk at birx entj a l i p a at sf gov. org if you submit public comment via email, it will be forwarded to the supervisors and also included as part of the official file. you may also send your written comments via us postal service to our office on city hall at one. doctor carlton, be good to place room 244, san francisco, california 94 102. and finally, madam chair, due to the due to the memorial day holiday, items acted upon today are expected to appear on the board of supervisors agenda of june 4th unless otherwise stated. madam chair. thank you, mr. clerk. and before i call the items, to on today's agenda, a reminder that for items that have budget and legislative analyst report, we will go to the department presentation and the then the budget legislative analyst report and then questions and

then public comment. so with that mr. clerk, please call item number one and two together. yes, madam chair items. item numbers one and two are resolutions approving and authorizing the director of property to execute a, to execute lease agreements with the trinity center, llc, located at 1145 market street, the leases will be effective upon approval of the respective resolutions and authorizing the director of property to execute any amendments, made certain modifications, and take certain actions that do not materially increase the obligations or liabilities to the city, and also do not materially decrease the benefits to the city in our necessary or advisable to effectuate the purposes of the leases or resolutions. item number one is on behalf of the law library for the term of 15 years, with one five year option at a base rent of 599,000 per year, with 3% annual rent increases and a partial market reset in year 11. item number two is on behalf of the health service system, to lease a portion, to lease of a portion of the real property, for an

initial term of ten years with one five year auction, extension option to renew at an initial annual base rent of approximately 589,000, with 3% annual increases. madam chair. thank you, mr. clerk. colleagues, we have heard this these two items, last week and it was continued due to amendments that, in effect, adding the dollar amount corrected on the actual legislation as well as, the term, the years of and option, on these leases. so, i don't know if it requires extensive discussion today. i don't see any name on the roster. would it be okay if i just go to public comments on these two items i see nodding? let's go to public comments on these items. yes, madam chair, we now invite members of the public have joined us today who wish to speak on these items. one and two, to line up, to speak now along those windows, when you come forward to the lectern, all

speakers will have two minutes to speak. madam chair, we have no speakers. thank you. seeing no public comments, public comment is now closed. and with that, i would like to move these two items to full board with recommendation, a roll call, please. and on that motion to forward, both resolutions to the full board with a positive recommendation, vice chair mandelman mandelman i. member. melgar. melgar i chair chan i chan i we have three eyes. thank you. and the motion passes. and with that, mr. clark, please call item number three. yes. item number three is a resolution approving the harvey milk terminal one museum store lease, between love from usa group, inc. and the city and county acting buying through its airport commission for a term of seven years with two one year options and a minimum annual guarantee of 205,000 for the first year of the lease to commence upon approval by the board of supervisors. madam chair, thank you. today we have sfo, our san francisco airport here. good morning, supervisors. the airport is seeking your approval for a new concession lease in harvey milk terminal

one with love from usa group inc. for a lease term of seven years, with two one year options to extend this lease results from a competitive request for proposals. process love from usa group inc. was the sole proposer and their proposal was found to be both responsive and responsible. love from usa group is a women owned, established 100% airport concession, decent managed business enterprise with more than 45 years of retail experience. the store will feature merchandise from local bay area museums, including the asian art museum, contemporary jewish museum, museum of the african diaspora, and the california academy of sciences. there is no bla report as it did not reach the threshold requirement, and i'm happy to answer any questions. thank you, we don't have any questions. we appreciate this work. we understand, we appreciate the guarantees always. and with

that, let's go to public comment on this item. yes. members of the public who wish to address this committee regarding this item number three, now's your opportunity to step up to the lectern. madam chair, we have no speakers seeing no public comments. public comment is now closed. i would like to make the motion. i make the motion to move this item to full board with recommendation and a roll call, please. and on that motion to forward to the full board with a positive recommendation, vice chair mandelman mandelman i member melgar melgar i. chair chan i chan i we have three eyes. thank you and the motion passes. and with that, mr. clerk, please call item number four. yes. item number four is a resolution approving amendment number three to the terminal three. coffee and quick serve concession lease between elevate gourmet brands inc and aim high esg, llc. a joint venture doing business as elevate gourmet brands, sfo group and the stanton county. acting by and

through its airport commission for the removal of the sf mac and cheese kitchen facility from the lease reimbursement of approximately 279,000 to the tenant for unamortized construction costs relating to the sf mac and cheese kitchen facility and reduction of the minimum annual guarantee from 375,000 to 185,000, and the annual promotion charge from approximately 2000 to 405 to reflect the reduction in the square footage of the remaining premises of the lease, effective upon approval of this resolution, with no change to the term of march 11th, 2019 through september 30th, 2031. madam chair, thank you. and again, this is for san francisco airport. and this one actually has a bla report. yes good morning, deanna bullock again with sfo. the airport is seeking your approval for the third amendment to the concession lease with elevate gourmet brands sfo group. the proposed amendment would remove san francisco mac and cheese kitchen

from the lease, reimbursed 279,627 to the tenant for unamortized construction costs and reduce the minimum annual guarantee from 375,000 to 185,000, and the annual promotion charge from 1991 to 405. the original lease was approved by the board of supervisors in february 2019 for two facilities and a term of eight years, with two one year options to extend the first location opened on march 12th, 2020. unfortunately, construction on the second location, sf mac and cheese kitchen, had just started when the pandemic began and has been suspended since. the airport would like to recapture the location for use in connection with the terminal three west modernization project, specifically for use by united airlines. the airport anticipates receiving approximately $90,850 per year in increased rent from united airlines for the premises. the budget analyst has reviewed the

proposed amendment and recommends approval, and i'm also happy to answer questions. good morning, supervisors. nick menard from the budget legislative analyst office. item four is a resolution that amends an airport concession lease to remove one of the tenants in a restaurant premises and terminal two. the restaurant never opened, and so the amendment removes them from the premises, reduces the minimum guaranteed rent from 375 to $185,000 a year, and also has the airport paying $279,000 of tenant improvement work that was undertaken in by the tenant that benefited the airport, but that was never able to be able to be recuperated because that restaurant never opened. we detailed the changes on page eight of our report, and we note that this is a revenue loss of $1.3 million to the airport over the remaining term of the lease that is partially offset by the increased rent from united

airlines. we recommend approval of item four. thank you, thank you. and we understand this change, and i'm glad that we can capture with united airlines in this space and be able to even out with the, rent. and so i don't see any name on the roster . we'll go to public comment on this item. yes. members of the public who wish to address this committee regarding this item number four, please step up to the lectern and you'll be given two minutes. madam chair, we have no speakers. thank you. seeing no public comments. public comment is now closed. colleagues i would like to move this item to full board with recommendation and a roll call, please. and on that motion to forward this resolution to the full board with a positive recommendation, vice chair mandelman mandelman i member melgar melgar i chair chan chan i. we have three eyes. thank you. and the motion passes. thank you. and i just wanted to say we hope you will be able to

enjoy the wag brigade today, as they are here from 10 a.m. to 230. in case you need any doggy cuddles. so thank you so much. room 278. room 278. thank you. forward to it, and with that, mr. clerk, please call item number five. yes. item number five is a resolution authorizing adoption of the san francisco mental health services act. three year program and expenditure, or integrated plan for fiscal years 2023 through 2026. madam chair, thank you. and today we have our/ departmet of public health. it'f justice, equity, diversity and inclusion, behavioral health services. yes. tnk youthank you. supervisors, hello. my name is jessica brown. as i stated, i'm the director of the office of justice, equity, diversity and inclusion and the behavioral health services act. i am here today to present to you the three year integrated plan for fiscal year 2324 through fiscal year 24, 2526. i just want to

advise that this plan was developed prior to prop one passing. and so during this presentation, we'll do an overview of the mental health services act. you'll hear me interchangeably say that name. and then we'll also get into some details about how prop one is going to impact and what our plan is. so thank you. so again overview of mental health services act going over our 2122 selected outcomes as well as our plans for the next fiscal or for this fiscal year, as well as just our integrated plan overall. and then again, reviewing prop one. so the mental health services act, now known as the behavioral health services act, was enacted into law in 2005. it is a 1% tax on personal income, over $1 million to allow counties to transform mental health services to really address the unmet needs of our vulnerable populations. it's a way to also provide culturally responsive care and also support peers with lived experiences to be able to be into our system of

behavioral health and it's based off a set of core principles. those principles have to deal with not only providing wraparound services for families, but also cultural competency. prior to prop one, we have five funding components of the mental health services act. those funding components are allocated and mandated by the state, where the state will allocate funding into each of those. those buckets that you're seeing. the first is community services and supports, which really focuses on, mental health and substance use services for co-occurring conditions. it looks at full service partnerships and also to it provides support for peers with vocational training, peer support services and housing. the second category is innovations. and this this category allows us to, pilot and test innovative mental health programs that are culturally responsive to the unmet needs of our clients. the third category is prevention and early intervention, which focuses on population focused programs as

well as prevention and early interventions for mental health support. and the last two categories are workforce education and training, and also capital facilities and technology needs, although we have five mandated funding categories, san francisco actually divides up those funding categories into service categories to allow us to be better, to serve and provide a wide variety of programing to our clients. and i'll get a little bit more into that. i wanted to go over the funding components because they have changed what, prop one. but just to give you a landscape of where we're at now, prior to prop one, we had five into prop one. we're going down from 5 to 3. and i'll explain a little bit more about that in a minute, so here are some of our, outcomes, what we did in the fiscal year 2122 is sustain a lot of our current programs and services that really support population focused programs. we expanded our funding to include pilot programs such as our culturally

congruent program with our civil service clinics that focus on black african american clients, as well as providing culturally affirming patient navigation support at our chinatown north north beach clinic, we also developed a request for proposal to provide, mental health services for, post, post and pre, pre and postpartum birthing people. and so we're working with four of our community based organizations to start within the next fiscal year. those services for birthing people. we also partnered with the human rights commission to provide talk therapy services for black african american clients throughout san francisco, and then we also to ensure that we were continuing, as i mentioned, our population focused programs, in addition, we have our peer specialists certification program, where we created with rams, our one of our cbos, to be able to provide our peers with

training to, support medi-cal billing as well in our peer programs. and so that was another program that was launched. so far, we have funded 258 peers in fiscal year 21, 20, 2122, throughout our behavioral health systems, just wanted to go over real quickly about how we evaluate our programs. we are mandated by the state to provide an annual update and also a three year plan. that three year plan does. and the annual update does consist of demographics and narratives on how our programs are doing. we have mid-year and year end reports that we require all of our cbos to provide to us so that we can evaluate the programs also to we provide technical assistance through our contract negotiation process, to better support our programs as they're implementing their their , their interventions. these are just some of our outcomes, giving you all some percentages for how our full service partnerships, outcomes were. we

had 86% decrease in arrests for, older adults that had participated in the full service partnership. we also had an 87% decrease in mental health and substance use disorder emergencies for adults. our population focus programs, we saw a significant impact in 90% of our 97% of our client s, increased their quality of life as feeling better, also to participating in more therapeutic services. 80% of our older adult clients also attending some of our senior, drop in in center activities in which reported an increase in socialization. and then we also had 100% of our, our peers that graduated from our vocational programs with our ability. again, each year we are required and this again, prior to prop one, we were required to present a three year plan to you all to for board approval to submit to the department of health care

services, this three year plan again just looks into everything that we've done over the last three years and also includes the community feedback we've conducted nine, 16, community engagement meetings across the city with over 165 individuals, to understand the needs and also to get community participation in how we were implementing some of our mental health programs. so some of the spotlight of our program, would be, as, as our community faces a variety of crisis and mental health and overdose and homelessness concerns, images say has been very committed to being a part of san francisco's mental health system to really transform and provide mental health needs to all san francisco, san franciscan, who lack insurance and also are experiencing homelessness. we provide 51% of our funding to address serious mental health and co-occurring

substance use. we also provide comprehensive housing to meet the better needs of unhoused individuals and also we again, as i mentioned earlier, have a lot of population focused programs that address racism and equity issues as well, so this is, again, looking forward into 2000 to fiscal year 2526, some of our programs, again, include improving the mental health needs for pre and postpartum clients, working with homeless children's network. then continuing our kumba peer fellowship and also again launching our culturally responsive programs within our civil service clinics. we have, innovation programs that are launched at four of our civil service clinics south of market omi, our tech clinic, and also to our mission mental health alternatives program. and so we're going to continue to will be continuing to really expand

on our full service partnerships, especially with the new proposition one requirements. so this just gives you an overview of our budget and our proposed budget that's going to be in our three year plan, i just want to just iterate to you all that we are 13% of the overall behavioral health service budget, and our funding is very volatile because we rely on the taxpayers. our funding can fluctuate from year to year, so this gives you a breakdown of all the different funding categories. the five that i mentioned earlier and how much funding we did put into it, what our expenditures were for actual fiscal year 2324, and then what our estimated expenditures will be for the following years. again, this was created prior to prop one. so that is going to change a bit with the new requirement points, and again i wanted to just give you an overview of our revenue. we did see a significant increase in our revenue in fiscal year 2324. but as the

years are going, we are seeing a significant fall in the budget. again, that is because of the funding being volatile. we do get a state projection from our state financial forecaster, mike geis, that let's all counties know how our budget is going to do. we're going to be meeting with him and believe in july to get more insight of where our budget will be at. but these are the these are the projections as of now. this gives you all an overview of our unspent balance and where we're at, again, our funding, we do project out three years with the three year plan. some of this funding will show an unspent balance, that we are accounting for as we allocated for our prudent reserve that's mandated by the state. we also do an internal reserve just to be able to have a little bit of cushion for any economic downfall or downturn. and we also keep that internal reserve in the event that we are not

getting as much funding as we thought the previous year due to the volatility of our budget. we also have an unspent balance that includes money that's allocated for positions, money that's allocated for some of our new programs that we're launching, and that we're still waiting for those programs to start. okay. so proposition one, so what we'll be seeing with proposition one is not it's not just necessarily the change to the behavioral health us or the mental health program, but it's also including things such as the care act. also our bond to build, also some other components of prop one and the reform of the mental health services act. so the next three year plan will reflect the adjustment to programing in alignment with the new design of behavioral health services. our for under proposition one, our funding components will now go down from 5 to 3. and those funding components will consist of full service partnership housing. and also the new

funding category which is called behavioral health services and support. so we'll have to be making adjustments over the next 24 months to align our programs within those three buckets of funding, we are currently not aligned with the new with new. the new spending requirements for proposition one, we need to make some adjustments as it pertains to putting more funding into housing. but again, we have we'll be waiting for state guidance over the next 24 months on how we'll be implementing that. and just to give you all a timeline real quickly, this is this is from the department of health care services. right now, they're conducting a robust session of public, listening sessions for communities to get more feedback and really to provide any secondary guidance on the statutes and how we're going to implement, beginning this summer. i believe what you all may be aware of is that they are going to start having the applications for the bond for housing, beginning early to

2025. we'll start having more guidance on how on the integrated plan. and then by summer of 2026, we'll be responsible for integrating the new proposition one requirements into behavioral health services act. okay. and that concludes the presentation. i'm here for questions. thank you. vice chair mandelman. thank you, chair chan, thank you for the presentation. thank you for your work. i don't think i have a question, but i, i do, you know, i've i've now voted on, i think, two of these mhsa plans and, they always give me a little bit of heartburn in that i look back at the high ambitions that prop 63 set, the desire, you know,

that my chair, then senator steinberg had for that to be, you know, game changing. and it really was in terms of the amount of money that was generated for behavioral health services in california. now, we spend a lot in san francisco. and this is, you know, as your presentation points out, only 13% of our behavioral health expenditures is. but they've all these plans have always seemed to me radically disconnected from the behavioral health needs that i think most san francisco ans are most acutely concerned about. and it may be that the plan actually accounts for a lot of expenditures that are going to address, severe mental illness and addiction among unhoused and marginally housed folks. but it doesn't it doesn't come crystal clear through with that. and i will say that i and my office and i think some reporters have had a lot of

trouble getting information out of dph about how we and this is particularly relevant during the prop one conversation, getting information about how san francisco spends our mhsa dollars, because because we were the politicians, some of the politicians in this town, including myself, were big proponents of prop one, and prop one had two component s, one being a very large, amount of capital dollars for placements for people with severe mental illness. but the other piece was an implicit rebuke, i guess, to the counties in how they were spending their, prop $63 in a sense that those funds were really not getting used to tackle that really acute california wide need to make good on our commitments that we

made when we started dismantling the mental institutions. and i don't feel like this plan that we have here rises to the challenge, and i understand that it is paperwork and that we have to get it done and that we're, you know, it's retrospective, but i don't quite understand why we weren't thinking about it in these terms. i mean, it's not like the world has changed dramatically over the past four years. i mean, it has in some ways, but in a lot of ways, the concerns around behavioral health, street conditions, overdose, it's all gotten. a lot of it has gotten worse. not all of it. a lot of it has gotten worse. but i think, this is not a description of all the work that behavioral health is doing. it's again, i understand a relatively small piece, but it gives me concern and, you know, we're talking about this stuff in other contexts. and working groups and hearings and in lots of different ways. but i continue to have concern about

these. i'm going to vote for it, but i just continue to be worried about what i see as a lack of focus on the things that i think, san franciscans and california's more broadly are most concerned about in the behavioral health context. thank you. would you like to respond? oh, okay. well well, we do appreciate your your comments. and i do think with proposition one, the benefit of it is there are going to be conversations around making sure that the funding is not volatile. i think because the funding goes up and down, we've had to make quick adjustments to that, right? we also have to plan out in the future based off of projections that could be delayed. so in covid, we use a lot of state dollars to really help with cip hotels. a lot of our cbos went to do virtual case management. also being able to continue to really serve our clients during

one of the most terrible times of our, of our lives. and so i do think, though, because there is a standard and what we have to report to you all in the state, it does not reflect the tremendous work, to your point, that our, our cbos have done, given the small amount of our budget and the volatility of it, a lot of our cbos have been able to do tremendous work with the with the mental health services act. and i do think it is an opportunity with the reporting requirements that they are going to change. we are going to have to report on all of behavioral health. it will give you all a clearer picture on how we work collaboratively with other systems of care to address those unmet needs. right now, it's more focusing on you know, trying to spotlight how we're spending. again, we have these requirements that we have to adhere to the state to get approved, to keep our funding. and it could be it could help to, you know, we have 200 pages in that document. it's not nearly enough to really present to you all on the work that we

are doing behind the scenes and what we've been doing with some of the with with some of our community based stakeholders. absolutely so thank thank you for your your feedback on this. it is helpful. thank you. thank you for that. i mean, two, two thoughts in response to your thoughts. but, in terms of the volatility of the of the funding source, i think, you know, that is that is a concern that was raised by a lot of the counties, in the prop one, context, as you know, the state is pushing for counties to spend more of these dollars on addressing. i think these longer term, needs and the county's reluctance to, like, go all in on something when the money, you know, may dry up the next year or two years down. now, i do think we it looks like there is a way to address that, which is to, you know, build up reserves and plan, you know, to spend money over time and hedge against what will be inevitable

downturn. so i do think that concern can be accommodated. but the other the larger concern i have, which you you and dpi cannot answer, we're going to have to have a conversation with the state about this is the implication in prop one is that the mhsa dollars are supposed to be the operating support to sustain the additional facilities that get opened. using the capital dollars and the scale of the funds in san francisco. i mean, i think even if we radically even if your next plan for us, which i would encourage you to bring sooner than 2026, but, even if the next, plan radically shifts our funding towards, you know, the ongoing costs of, say, facilities for people with severe mental illness, that's not enough money to come close

to meeting the need. and so i do think, you know, again, i'm glad the state passed prop one. i think we should use prop one. and i think we also are going to need to be having an ongoing conversation on urgently with the state and federal government about getting the resources to, to, make sure that these facilities are operable in a way that we, we can be proud of and that our, you know, actually good, the options, you know, the ways to do this badly are, it's it would be easy to do this badly. it would be easy to open up underfunded facilities that are beautiful when they open and don't have the dollars to take care of. the people in them are horrible for the people who get placed there and are horrible for the communities in which they're located, and that would be bad. yeah. so thank you. thank you, thank you, so today we're we're approving an expenditure plan for the next three fiscal years, but meanwhile, we're also now have

received the new prop one mandates, you know, changing five different categories into three different three different categories, which actually make sense. yeah. and just so that it helps us to be, less specific but more on track in terms of especially it makes a lot of sense to me when it comes to housing piece, which i think is what vice chair mandelman was talking about in, in terms of conditions. and then, of course, in combination with the behavioral, behavioral health services and programing now. so if we're going to approve this, expenditure plan today, you, during this next three fiscal years, you're also going to have to rework the actual plan to reflect the mandate coming from part one, and i think that's also where the part where when will you be back before. before us? or are we, by the time you come back, you're already are working the new plan. and for new approval. or will you be coming b