>> okay, good afternoon and welcome to the san francisco planning commission hearing for thursday june 13, 2024. when you hear the item you're interested in, please line up to your right. each will have three minutes and when you you have 30 seconds left, you'll hear a chime. please speak clearly and slowly if if you care to, state your name for the record. i will remind members of the public that the commission does

not tolerate any outburst of any kind and i ask that we silence any phones. commission president diamond. >> here. >> moore. >> here. >> commissioner braun. >> here. >> imperial. >> here. >> campos >> here. >> so. >> here. >> williams. >> here. >> first on the agenda is consideration for continuance, item number 1, 2024-cua200 cap street continual use is proposed for continuance to june 20th, 2024. item 2, 2015-006356 at 336 peer street continuance to august 1, 2024. item 3 case number 2023-0071 seaway sarah boulevard is proposed for continuance to august 1, 2024. item 4 case number

2022-000156cua. continual use authorization has been withdrawn. further commissioners item 10, for the density control amendments, is proposed for indefinite continuance. let me correct myself for cap street, it's proposed to july 11, 2024. with that, i have no other items proposed for continuance, members of the public, if you would like to comment on the continuances only on the matter of continuance now is your

opportunity to do so. >> speaker: i'm georgia, i'm going to comment not not being continued and staff was very right in saying, it should not be continued indefinitely. and i want to show this on the ancestry, please have the overhead quickly, these four documents. this one is from may 13th and they say, they increase the number of people that can live there, well we saw the tenants and there is at least 7 of them there. and then from the staff report, may 23, the staff person was not informed and he said no, but then the project sponsor on the same day wrote what i call

the cya letter. >> are you for or against the continuance? >> speaker: it's not continued it's withdrawn. i'm happening on the fact that it's been withdrawn, i know it's a word so lad but everything is a word so lad. so he wrote the same day that the staff report came out and tried to say, oh they're my friends and buddies, they were not, they were his tenants and they had a lease. finally, he withdrew as we saw last week, dramatic thing. i checked this morning and the permits have not been withdrawn. and my last comment about this demolition of flats, he valued the building at $300,000, i think we all know that's a quite estimate. i don't know what that is going

to happen but i hope they don't get ellised or any other bad thing. thank you very much. >> okay, last call for comments on the continuance calendar, seeing none, public comment is closed and your continuance calendar is before you, commissioners. >> commissioner imperial. >> move to continue. >> commissioner so. >> aye. >> williams. >> so. >> braun. >> aye. >> imperial. >> aye. >> koppel. >> aye. >> president diamond. >> aye. >> that motion unanimously, 7-0. placing us to land acknowledgment. >> vice president moore will

read the acknowledgment today. >> the commission acknowledges that we're in the unceded land of ramaytush ohlone, in accordance with their tra ditionz, they have never seeded, lost nor forgotten their responsibility as a care takers of this place as well as for all people who reside in the traditional territory. as guests, we recognize the benefit from living and working on homeland. we wish to pay our respects by acknowledging by acknowledges the ancestors and elder and of the ramaytush o hlone and o firming their rights as first people. >> thank you. any comments or questions? >> speaker: so i just wanted to point out three articles i read in the con last week or so that i thought were worth bringing

to the commission's attention and the public. one related to the to the amount of work going on very much in line with the entertainment focus that we've been talking about downtown, so i'm excited to hear more. along the same lines, powell street that goes from union square, and desire to make that more vibrant, esthetic space that people want to see. and then third for me that cross trail is now a double cross. and not only can you take the trail from the southeast to the northwest but you can take it

from the northwest to the southeast which opens the possibility of not needing a car or two cars to figure out how to get from one point to another. wonder piece of work and allows so many of us to enjoy great reaches of the city in a nays very pedestrian manner. >> thank you, those are very good comments, not all of us get the paper everyday. but in addition, i know that night market, that's an important thing, supporting neighborhoods and the energy of residents who live in the city in a personal way. i believe that it's a larger move regarding powell street and front street are very food. i hope we're inviting our own resident who have fallen a little bit into isolation and

into the background in the many years that we have all been separated by covid, these are all reuniting elements and i look forward to joining them to be highly advised also as residents, thanks. >> if there is no further commission comments, we can move to item 7, director's announcement. >> director is out today but we have no comments. >> item 8 there is no report from the board of appeals, they did not meet yesterday. >> good afternoon, manager of legislative affairs, this week the land use committee was canceled but the board did meet and at that hearing they passed the local coastal amendment for the irish coastal district on second read. the changes to the street

neighborhood commercial district on second read, the red ango on second read and pass the resolution for the coast at program amendment as well which was just an adoption. also i just want to note two introductions from last week, supervisor walton introduced an order that would have biolaboratory that but laboratory, this is relevant for an item you're hearing today and supervisor mandelman introduced to introduce the large residential sud to include portions of coal valley. those two will be coming to you later this year. that concludes my report, i'm happy to answer any questions. >> commissioner williams. >> thank you for that report.

could you are the, you said about supervisor walton, i didn't catch the whole. introduced an ordinance in the zoning district. >> okay, commissioners, that will place up under general public comment. member of the public can address the commission within jurisdiction of the commission. your opportunity to address the commission will be afforded when the item is reached in the meeting. when the speak pezer exceed the 15-minute, it will be moved to the end of the agenda. >> speaker: i'm going to talk in the overhead, may i have that please. this is the original house it's

1465majonical it's for sale for 10 and a half million dollars. it was originally this number there, now it's 10 and a half, it has not sold yet. it's three legal units in the family and senior housing sud, well resource neighborhoods. they're trying to sell them individually but it's not been condoize, but the issue is the demo house and the loss of three controlled units. so here's the plan, here's a sheet and here i blew up the calm, and the most important one down here and you can see for the vertical how close they are, they're very close to the threshold. but went through no opposition, no dr, so what happened though,

it had a means and methods problem and the couch got adjusted and that's fine because that's how they do it, but my point is, it's been adjusted at least once, b2d, this would have been reviewed differently. it would be reviewed for demolition which is what it should be. 3 rent control units, they're now multi million dollars units, they're not even condos, the whole building is 10 and a half million dollars. so that's my point. i don't know what else to say, i think they should have been adjusted twice, i'm sorry, i apologize. here's my notes for the minutes. and on the back are the calks and i an tated it, and that's legit mate because we know that

there is problems with buildings but the original cal c, the horizontal and vertical to create this, is not bright and not in keeping with section 313 and what i think this commission wants to go forward. so i'll give you that, thank you very much. >> okay, last call for opinion comment. seeing none, we can move on to your regular calendar, number 9 for the polk street planning street amendments. >> good afternoon, i'll be

presenting on behalf of veronica. sunny is here to present the item. >> speaker: hello commissioners, so nice to see a full commission, i hope you're enjoying. welcome to our newest commissioner, commissioner so. i'm sunny angulo representing supervisor peskin, who is not here, the pro prie tore, you may remember lot us bakery.

this is something that we are thankful for you today. stick around for any questions. thank you. >> thank you, sunny. so it would create a ex acception for large uses for certain limited restaurant designated as legacy business in the ncd. as detailed in the staff report, they support bob's donut with their relocation efforts. it will fa sil bob's donuts relocation, the department believes that a business like bob's donut, a bakery of less than 2500 square feet should be perm pitted despite the commercial they choose to locate.

with that in mind, staff recommends approval with two modifications. the first recommendation is to remove the prohibition, it can still be maintained through a non residential size university as is the case in most ncds. this also allows the front merger, this is also the second store front merger created within the last two years. the second is to permit use sizes for 2500 or greater. most other ncd have permitted use sizes of 2500 square feet or greater. the limit also used to be 2500 square feet but reduced to 2000 square feet in 2017. increasing the permit use back size back to 2500 square feet would still yield store fronts.

caps are also rare in the planning code, the existing 4,000 makes it difficult to fill existing large spaces and non residential use size already provide avenue to provide commercial spaces. they've already been two exceptions to the youth size limit, and now we're creating one for legacy business that are bakeries. the department supports the proposed amendments, would not only support bob's relocation and expansion plans but also remove the hurdles for other businesses within the polk ncd. le our hope is that our proposed amendments will help ensure that other businesses will have an opportunity to contribute to the vibrancy and that concludes my presentation, i'm happy to answer any questions, thank you.

>> okay w that, we'll open to public comment. if you're in the chambers please come forward. >> speaker: good afternoon, i'm rebecca ang, my family owns bob's donuts. first and for most, would i like to express my gratitude to supervisor peskin and sunny in helping us obtain the permit for our presence on polk street and a heartfelt thank you to the planning commission to expand our larger business where bob's has served san francisco for 70 years. bobs has been a cherished part of san francisco since it first opened in 1950s, it's been in

my family in 50 years and in three general raisesing of my family. over the decades we've been able to gaint popularity of san francisco community and we wouldn't be here without the unwaivering support of the community. unfortunately, as sunny mentioned, you know, we'd love to continue to be in polk street but the negotiations with the landlord has been increasing the rent with a take it or leave it attitude, and they've employed threats for forces to be month to month at 150 percent of what at an increased rate of 150 percent of our rent. if we didn't sign the lease that was presented to us, so we

left with no options with the landlord, unfortunately. this business is our livelihood for my family and these lease negotiations have been on going stressor for our business. you know, we also have the responsibility to our team, and staff at all of our stores and who work with us and provide for their families. so when the opportunity to expand to 1720 polk came up, it seems lining the perfect opportunity to continue to serve the non polk opportunity until reran to the permitting issues due to the mergers of two store fronts. so without this, bob on the polk in the neighborhood may cease to exist. unfortunately, my mom could not be here today but i just because she we're recovering from covid but i wanted to say,

she is always dedicated herself to serving the community, not just, you know, expanding a business or running a business, it's always been a very personal thing for her. so we really appreciate all the efforts going into and ensuring any expansion that aligns with the community's interest and overall development of our goals. thank you for the consideration. >> last call for public comment. seeing none, public comment is closed and this matter is now before you, commissioners. >> thank you, thank you for bob's donuts for finding a way to make thising work and thank you to supervisor peskin's office for working with them. i'm very supportive of the ordinance but i am intrigued by staff's proposed modifications. i think it is incumbent on us

when we see a particular problem with a particular business that arises out of our planning code to see whether or not this is an issue that may apply to others and if there is a way to solve this ahead of time perspectively, so we don't have more businesses facing unnecessary hurdles, so i'm intrigued by staff's suggestion and support supportive of modifications. i didn't hear supervisor peskin's office address that during their presentation, i would appreciate it if you can come forward and talk to us about your views on this. >> speaker: thanks to staff for the recommendations, and we will take them under advisement. >> okay. >> speaker: we'll take them under advisement, this corridor has a long history of displacement during different

eras of boom, bust it's on the border of some other, you know, you know, russian hill, knob hill, neighborhoods as you make your way over to china town and those impacts what used to be a predominantly queer one of the first kind of, the origin of pride in fact on polk that's where a lot of our businesses and watering holes used to be a lot of them were pushed out, very similar to what rebecca references these landlords that are not willing to negotiate, don't see the inherent value in the neighborhood businesses and i think that's part of the reason the community has really, sort of defined or crafted, you know, this community planning process, the controls that are there in the

ncd right now. that being said, you know, we're always happy to help when you know, somebody is willing to take in a neighborhood business and really work with them and that was the case with rebecca commercial property owner, we know as well as with sam over at buy-right which is the previous example that was sited. happy to talk about it and appreciate that staff has done that work and veronica could not be here like aaron said, but she has been wonderful. >> thank you, i'm interested to hear what the other commissioners feel about the modifications, it seems sensible in an era where we're trying to retain existing businesses and attract new businesses, to not limit to

just legacy businesses, and vibrancy especially given the current economic environment. with that, i will call on vice president moore. >> this particular establishment being in my neighborhood, wants me to put everything forward where we can guarantee the location. legacy business just in definition, locate smaller store fronts. and that where the legacy comes in. numerically is different, where polk street is mostly characterized by preset sizes with aggregating them, you may not achieve exactly what the legacy business itself needs. and in any case, since legacy

business mostly occur within buildings that have a smaller scale with them as aaron star said, i am really interested in getting metrics on how we want to use this aggregated store front. i have seen in the corridor moves that alien and destroying the tonight --continuity of this uniquely neighborhood. there is no retail nothing, other than homegrown businesses of mostly old vintage. so i'm hesitant because i don't know where staff is coming from to support the modifications. i know i get what i want when i support the legislation as it is. so i'll leave it with that, i'm in full support of the

legislation to protect bob's business but i'm a little bit concerned about the generalization that comes with extending it to any, everything fits all, or one size fits all, that's what i'm concerned about. it's in contra decision with legacy business which require very very specific protections. so i'll leave it with that. >> commissioner so. >> thank you, president diamond. sol --so when i first moved to san francisco i lived on polk street, that was 24-25 years ago, and your donut was is what kept me alive late night. so when i love legacy business coming from, having the opportunity to help usher all the legacy business to get through h pc commission, so

thank you for coming here to share your family's stories and this is exactly the fabric that we like to retain, the multi generation small businesses. so i am here to support to supervisor peskin's office and sunny here today to help whatever you need to keep the vibrancy of our community to carry on the business and also the legacy of the community of the history incompasses and i also, really respect our staff very detail considerations on the implications of is this a one case scenario of legacy business trigger one off of exemption or approval? or should we look at it in the broader sense to enable, more

struggling business that hopefully, in the foreseeable near future, you don't have to go through hoops like bob's donuts to keep their business open. and i am really aware of merchants in a lost different communities and neighborhoods, are really still struggling, so i am for that matter for this moment of time, i'm in support of staff's modification, so we don't continue to be, anything that we can help you to get your feet back on the ground. and make the donuts that i like to eat and now my daughter like to eat too. so i'll come visit you when you open and i open you can open the store sooner. that concludes my comment. >> thank you very much, commissioner braun. >> first of all i'll share my

own appreciation for bob's donuts and long time in the community. and my own thinking that a good night out, involves going to bob's donuts after, many great memories and it's great that there is an opportunity to continue the business. i'm in favor of the legislation, of course. as far as the staff recommendation, you know, i think one thing that i'm keeping in mind is, it's possible that we can have a business that is let's say there is a business that is exactly like bobby's donuts, except it does not legacy status, it has similar good business practices and finds itself in the same situation. they would wind up needing through jump through, even after legislation, they could wouldn't be able to do this. and there would have to be

another round of maybe blocking them or modifying the land use. so as i think about that and i space that's work for them.the recommendation becomely because it's hard to remove the hard cap of size in the corridor and at 4,000 square feet. and i don't want to see the situation where we have a lot of stores for furred, we have a lot of that don't make sense. but still the consideration that would be required for exceeding the permitted size. so i'm in favor of the chasing.

>> is that a motion. >> i will make a motion, but let's hear from other commissioners. >> second. >> commissioner williams. >> thank you. first of all, i want to thank sunny for coming out here. and definitely? in support of bob's donuts, it's been a while since i've been there but i've definitely been there. it's nice to know that these businesses that have been around for so long, are still here, at least some of them. the one size fits all, is not something that i support, i think the changes that come in the control changes on polk should come from the neighborhood and district and conversation that's system there

as opposed to being by this body. i'm not in support of recommendations by planning. i'll leave it there. >> vice president moore. >> i want to mr. braun that this only addresses legacy businesses, i want to make sure that that is clear because i believe legacy businesses do require this specific look at the sizes. this is a special ex example

with type and type of business, i want to make sure that that is understood. thank you. >> >> also very supportive of bob's donuts to continue the business. at the end of the day, it's a business when it comes to it, they don't have protection, even though they have that status. so when it, it comes to that in terms of like, you know, let's say a one legacy business is displaced, it does not really guarantee that the other business is going to move in is also going to be, you know, in, you know going to be in that kind of, you know, my worry about it, is that the

displacement of a legacy business will not also afford a new business, however it will contribute to the neighborhood. so i remember we have this hearing about two years ago. i appreciate that comment that supervisor preston actually mentioned, okay they would take the planning recommendations staff, but also at the same time, they would like to cult with the businesses corridors in that area. it still needs to have some analysis, and in this time, it does not seem like it does that, so i also do not support the recommendation made by the planning.

>> so we have a motion and a second, i think we should take a vote on the ordinance with the modification and see if that passes and if it doesn't, we can try. >> williams. >> nay. >> commissioner braun. >> aye. >> commissioner imperial. >> no. >> commissioner koppel. >> no. >> commissioner moore. >> no. >> diamond? >> aye. >> passes 4-3 with williams and moore and imperial voting against. item 10 has been continued indefinitely place ing us on item 11.

please note that after a motion failed 4-3, and commissioner koppel absent, you continued this item to today's date by a vote of 4-2. commissioner koppel in order for you to participate you need to acknowledge that you have reviewed the previous hearing and materials. >> i have. >> thank you. >> good morning i'm presenting a application for continual use to demolish three-storey over basement building with one legal dwelling unit and construct a four-story with two dwelling units. as mentioned this project was heard by the commission on may 23 and after public and discussion continued to allow the sponsor more time to work with the neighbors.

since that time, the homeowners have reached an agreement with opposition to the project. no changes were made as a result. this project is distinct from the 2021 application at the same property. the current proposed structure both units would increase in size, unit one would occupy the second through four floors. en elevator wor provided for internal access to the unit but would be electronically key coded to provide access between the unit. unit one is occupied by tenants who are aware of this proposal and intend to vacate with the project timeline and the edu has not been occupied since they acquired the property five years ago. both units are considered protected known as sb330 because they're rent controlled

there therefore, they require that both units be subject to rent control. this subject is on balance consistent with the general plan and the show pace pro tremendous ro area plan. would provide with more flow area, more bedrooms and more open space and a safe living quarters. which would be a benefit to the city housing staff. the project meets all requirement. therefore the department continues to recommend approval. this concludes my presentation, i'm available for questions and i'll hand over to the project sponsor. >> sponsor, you have three minutes.

>> thank you, i know you're familiar with this project, the good ne kerry initially tried to hide the existence of a unit, no they did not. it showed the unauthorized unit, there was some confusion, that confusion was caused by public records which said the property was a single-family home but kerry and joann hid nothing. with the elevator in the project an afterthought? parn element? it was not an afterthought, it was included in the original plan and that's been critical element to the inter generational living space that the joann and kerry helped to

build. it was submitted with the project and found that the cost was quote not reasonable given the seismic projects in addition because the existing ceiling heights were not code compliant. therefore it was deemed not financially feasable, this conclusion, your staff's conclusion was based on appraisals with the project application. will the proj lots of affordable unit? it will not, the lower unit cannot be rented out, it is under code not habitable, if they were to rent it out, the city could site them because of code violations because of lack of windows, and e gres and lights in the bedroom. this creates a habitable unit.

it increases the housing stock. did joann and kerry mistreat tenants? absolutely not. there were no tenants, since then there have been tenants in the upper unit. the first tenants asking to be let out of their lease and joann and kerry agreed. the they were trying to understand their right, it does not show that they were mistreated in any way. there is not one shred of paper before you from any tenant claiming that they were mistreated by joann and kerry. the facts matter, the truth matters, when you look at the facts, i hope you will all agree that this application should be approved, there really is no lawful basis to deny this application. thank you. >> with that, we should open up public comment. : >> speaker: thank you, i don't

think enough attention has been paid to the project on the multi unit at 251 texas street it's rent controlled what is going to happen is there tl*? the fourth floor was not on the original project and maybe it should be removed. at the may 23 hearing, the architect said there was no exposure while the new bedroom does not have exposure in that sleeping area, he also said quote, the ceiling heights range throughout the entire unit somewhere between 7-2 to 7-6, 7-6 is legal in san francisco and both legal in california. and i'll just say, that it sounds existing unit could be better preserved and not demoed, that would be a good thing.

thank you very much. >> last call for public comment. seeing none, public comment is closed. this matter is now before you, commissioners. >> i remain supportive of this project. commissioner koppel. >> yes, so after the watching the hearing and the comments, i wanted to acknowledge commissioner so's reaction of how complicated things can get, so welcome to the planning commission. i did appreciate the questions and dialogue so i'm confident that i can make a good informed decision today. one just quick question for the city attorney if you can assure me that it is a housing accountability project? >> yes, it is, thank you for asking commissioner. >> okay. so i would like to follow

president diamond's lead from last hearing and move to approve. >> second. >> commissioner so. >> aye. >> commissioner williams. >> aye. >> commissioner braun. >> aye. >> imperial? >> no. >> commissioner koppel. >> aye. >> president commoned. >> aye. >> the motion passes 5-2 with commissioner imperial and moore against. that places us on item 12, 1060 to 1090 randolph street continual use authorization. >> good afternoon, president diamond i'm alice planning department staff request for

continual use consideration. for the legalization of a religious institutional use and the merger of two dwelling units located at 1090 randolph street located at two adjacent properties in the rh2 zoning district. met tation center without permit since they were purchased more than 25 years ago. the met tation center offers sessionss for the members and public twice a week and in the evening gathering for charitable work. both are occupied by families affiliated by the meditation center. 1060 randolph street, is authorized as a single-family home.

1090 is authorized as three dwelling units with one large unit in the upper floor and two studio units on the lower floor. however it appears that these units were all merged between 1961 and 1998 when it was acquired by the meditation center. as proposed 1060 randolph would continue to be a single-family use and meditation center. 1090 would be used as two dwelling units and meditation center. sb30 specifically speaks to demolition and planning code defines merger separately. therefore the removal of the university through its merger with another or conversion to another is not prohibited

understate law. in autumn of 2023, the department was challenged whether the merger and relocation provisions. that it modified procedures accordingly. to date the department has received 18 and 17 in support and one opposing. focuses on the positive in the center of the neighborhood and minimum impact to parking and noise. the comment and opposition highlights the history of work without permits. in summary, the project is on balance consistent with the general plan. although the project would reduce the number of dwelling units onsite, it would result in the defacto addition of high quality family size unit which is in line with other policies. in addition, it would legalize a longstanding religious institution use that is

compatible in nature with the residential community and add to the fabric of the neighborhood. also finds the project to be necessary desirable and compatible with the desirable neighborhoods. therefore the department recommends approval. this concludes my presentation, i'm available for questions and i will now hand it over to project sponsor. >> project sponsor, you have five minutes. and how many people in the audience are here to speak on this item? if you can raise your hand. very good. through the chair, you each will have two minutes.

>> good afrp, i'm a representative sufe order, which is a non denomination which has been serving the san francisco community since 1974. we have been we're here for

over 20 members, neighbors and members, through the support and we have 17 letters for those members and members that could not attend today. i've been involved with the center since 1991, my wife and i moved to san francisco center in 1993 and at the time, we had one building, the 1060 building. in the mid-90s, the center asked if i would be willing to speak to the owner of adjant an a few years later, received a diagnosis of stage 4 cancer and called and understood our

charity and our work and wanted to sell the property to us and we acquired that building in 98. my wife and i have lived in almost every room in the property we moved in 93, in 2000 my son was born and we were in first floor one of the rooms that we're talking about today. we, we were about, 9 months later, it was very crammed we got our first house and moved out. ron harris who is the director of over 37 years, he and his wife who is here and his son they were living in the adjacent building and they moved into the space that we occupied.

and on my last visit, he asked that we make sure that we take care of anne and his son rezo and that is what brings us here today. after ron passed, we discovered significant mold issues on the ground floor and we moved anne up spares --upstairs and hired a architect to help us figure out this chopped layout with from when it was so to give context, we wanteded to make it a little bit more personal. ron had been running the center, the center were deeply involved with doing charity, community service around the bay area na is a core principal of our order and what we work on. his son has also been very active from early on in the

community. doing public out reach to troubled youth and hunters point in oakland. while doing that work, he went to uc davis and got his law degree with honors and valedectorian for the class. after his father passed, he moved back in to the hanukkah to take care of the center. and [voice breaking] anyways, so the center has been there and it's going to continue to thrive. this was not about floor layouts but try to make it a space for people who dedicate their life to service and have a space that is comfortable. thank you. >> speaker: good afternoon, debra planning consultant for the meditation center.

we're asking conditional use to continue to in this district where religious uses are conditional and legalize the merger, former merger of the two previous units on the first floor made by a former owner. this area shows that the project site is located on the edge of the residential next to commercial and institutional uses. the medication residential and use is quite by nature, it will continue to evenings to week on the second flor but the property. >> sorry, but that is your time. >> okay. >> commissioners may call you

for additional questions. >> and our architect is here too. >> thank you, with that we'll open up public comment. if you can line up to the green side of the room or to your right. >> hello i'm anne harris and i was married to the director, i raise my son there. we're an inspiration to the neighborhood, when you saw on thed pictures, there is greenery, the garden, people when they walk by, they get inspired, it's not a neighborhood that has the economic means to beautify it, and we've been there for so long and people respect us, i raised my son there. he is completely dedicated to

serving his community, he runs severalle nonprofits at this time. and he wants to continue the legacy of his father and stay in that place and continue to inspire people on a very human level, we need a place in this world where we're in turmoil and this is a place people come and they're able to come together and we create an atmosphere of unit and love and peace. and this is very important in this time and the fact that we give back to our city, is very crucial for specifically this neighborhood, that has been troubled off and on, since i've been there for 37 years, i know. and i feel we are really give a lot of inspiration for that place. and that's really all i have to say.

>> speaker: hi i'm dave wright i've been connected to them for 35 years. i was born and raised in marin, i've lived pretty much everywhere in san francisco in persidio heights in the western edition, in the tenderloin, out in the mark merced park, right next to where we have our meditation center. and i just wanted to make two simple points, one was, we are well aware that you have a difficult responsibility in trying to sustain the amount of affordable and accessible housing within the city and any attempt to lower that is going to be something that you have to take very seriously. the point that i want to make is that in all the time that

we've been connected with this building, it is always housed at least two if not three people within the space that we're talking about remodeling. there was never a time when there were two studio apartments there and the point is, we're actually losing capacity if we stay with the structure as a currently is. zoo we would love the opportunity to continue doing what we've been doing. and serving the community as anne mentioned. thank you so much. >> hello my name is christopher turic i'm a west side of the city neighborhood order for many many years, also i've been attending for 33 years and it's opinion the center of my spiritual life and also, of my charitable life in my life,

it's been important and my family. one thing i can say is that the pride in maint pence of the property and making it sort of acorner stone beautiful place in the neighborhood has always been there and, people here are really dedicated to maintaining and doing improvements on the property in a way that is, that is thoughtful and beneficial. i hope that you'll consider approving the request. thank you. >> my name is richard martinson i live in car mikele near sacramento and i've been coming to the city house since 89. and the reason why i do that is for the community that i find there, the opportunity to give service as a group and to well, basically contribute to the place where i was born, here in

san francisco. so, that that traveling on such a long period of time, the point i'm trying to make is that important to me and also important to the people that i've come to, come to love and respect. thank you. >> good afternoon, my name is norman smith i'm a born and raised san francisco, lived in march said for 25 years and moved across the road, lived there for 5 years. during that time, i have had the opportunity to meet and interact with the specific community at 1090 and seeing that site change from a frat house into a place of colors and lights and garden, interaction between people, every interaction that i've had

has been filled with warmth and kindness and that little spark of in this part of the city is a bright light in the city, is all i want to say, thank you. i have a few notes because i have a lot in my heart and i want to hit on some high points. i'm natasha, i've been a member of this community for about 31 years, this organization has been instrumental in my own growth as well my family. truth be told there would not be enough time to talk about the positive impact that it's had in my life and the life of others that are not even here today to share with you. through our involvement over the many years i developed a

even greater awareness of the community of community service in the greater bay area. our center has had a monthly charity project in which we as a group cook and deliver food to many under privileged communities. since i've raised my two children in this tradition, they are now participating in caring for the extended community and learning the importance of helping those who are in greater needs than ourselves. i've lived in the residents for ten years and during that time, i had my two children, the support guidance and reference for service stands out clearly as the hol mark of my early years at the center. during the past four years, our world has experienced a most destable izing pandemic and this kept myself spiritually in tact and i might say thriving.

while my children spent many years in public schools, we faced many students experiencing flipage, where they were years behind, they were in middle time, we saw anxiety in all levels, social, performance anxiety returning to school and many other emotional learning deficits. >> thank you, ma'am. unfortunately that is your time. >> speaker: okay. >> hi every one, i'm the daughter of david wright who spoke earlier and the daughter of cassie who will be speaking. i attend the superintendent sufi house, my parents have been part of this community since before i was born and i was raised in this community myself. since before i was born this

space has been a central part of my life and i consider every one in this community to be my family. for me the sufi house has been a steadfast guidance, dependent and mental and spiritual substance, and i can confidently say that my parents would not be the kindhearted individuals they are today without the support of sufi community, and i cannot imagine my life without the spiritual practice. much like any other group, the gathering space is what allows the community to be built, it en riches connections creates belonging and they have involved deep roots in san francisco spanning generations of members and we have known this building as our home. to me, the center is so much more than just a space for meditation, it is where i was raised and it is the community that i call my family. i do humbly ask that you side with our petition today. thank you.

>> speaker: greetings, i've been a member of the sufi order for 32 years along with my husband and our son, and i've been a neighbor and a community association with the order during that time. and it is a school transformation and it allows us to have the room to be allowed in charitable. it will allow care taker and their family to live and provide stability and continue the quality of the environment for which we call our community growth, thank you.

>> speaker: hi there, my name is russell, i've been a member for this order for 41 years and i commute from lafayette to san francisco two times a week minimum and participate in our spiritual believe and practice. and it has been an essential aspect of my life in the world and my spiritual life, and and i would say that through our belief practice and abide ans in god's loving kindness in our private and social encounters, we're actively in a quiet way helping our community to grow towards a sustainable and peace

loving world. and so on that basis, i would like to promote what has been proposed as a religious institution of this structure and property. thank you. >> good evening, i'm fagt' wright like many before i'm a member of this community and i echo everything has said about the religious institution valley. this is a group of people that:together for community within community and for service to the greater community of people who are in need. we went through some really tough times in the last four years, during covid of course we were closed for three years,

we could not meet, that was difficult for people who counted on the gathering and we could not do service projects and as you heard the director passed away which left another big hole. and we're allowed to meet and gathering. and now waiting for permission to you to build the refamily unit downstairs so that a new director and care taker and his wife and eventually children can live there. and i can tell you it would be devastating if this center was not allowed to continue to do what it does. and we need a director and a core group living in there so that we have that kind of center and balance and direction and we then want to build our community so we can do more service projects if somebody said that's the core teaching. so i wanted to say that you

approve both aspects and granting us the ability to build our family unit so we can reconsider and anchor ourselves the way we were before the pandemic hit and all of these problems hit and we hope that you can approve it and thank you for your time. >> okay, last call for public comment. this matter is now close. this matter is before you commissioners. >> thank you. i appreciate all the people who came out to testify today and all the letters that were submitted in advance, the staff report was very thorough. i am supportive of both aspects of this project. we should make it i would say it's important to enable our religious institutions to function in the spaces that

they need, especially when they clearly have been excellent neighbors as evidence by all the letters that were submitted. i very much appreciated the additional information we were sent yesterday by staff with the revisions to the motion to make clear the merger versus demolition issue and i'm satisfied by the explanation that was provided. i'm also happy that we're providing an additional family size unit on this property. so with that, i'll turn it over to vice president. >> president, i'll describe my own sentiment about the project. i believe in addition to the merging of the university which by themselves are not particularly of current valley given we're gaining by merging them, i believe that given room for spiritual practice in the

community particularly in the times is important and thank you for your testimony on behalf of that. i'm making a motion to approve with conditions. >> would that be the modified? >> correct, based on the instructions that we received, yes. >> second. >> thank you. >> commissioner williams? >> yeah, i would like to thank all the folks that came out as well. i live in district 11, i think this property is in that district if i'm not mistaken. i've seen and drove by the property many times, and wondered, you know, wow it's really nice, kept it well, which is well for that area, you don't see a lot of houses like that. but, anyway i'm, i'm in support of your project and just the fact that so many folks came out and spoke on it, i

appreciate your sense of community and i appreciate what you're religion preaches, i think we need more love and consideration for each other. and so, thank you. for coming out. >> okay, commissioners if there is nothing further there is a motion that has been seconded to approve with conditions on that motion, commissioner so. >> aye. >> commissioner williams? >> aye. >> commissioner braun. >> aye. >> imperial. >> aye. >> koppel. >> aye. >> moore. >> aye. >> and president diamond. >> aye. >> so moved, that passes unanimously 7-0. that places on items 13 a and b for case number 2023-0001074 for indiana street, you'll

consider project consideration. and before we get started if we can do the same thing and show hands of how many people are here to speak to this matter? very good, you'll each have two minutes. commissioner so has a disclosure to make. >> i would like to make a disclosure, nbh architect is the hire spon before us as 13 a and 13b, over years nbh and i worked on projects when my previous employer was their client. however, i do not have any other professional or personal

relationship with n with their architect and this will not prevent me from being impartially when the commission considers its merits. >> hello item 13 and 13b is before you consideration of shadow findings pursuant as well as section 295 as well as authorization for construction over 25,000 square feet. the project also includes demolition of approximately 15,000 warehouse building that is currently vacant. and the project seeks exceptions to large project or horizontal maps reduction break. on april 4, the rec and park

commission held a hearing unanimously recommended the planning commission find the proposed project will not have a significant adverse impact on the shadowing of s park. the project consist of a horizontal mass break, the exception sought, the planning code requirement for a horizontal is 30 feet wide by 30 feet deep that extends 35 feet up to the sky. per the planning code, this break must result in discreet building sections of frontage no greater than 200 feet. the sponsor break measures 30 to 30 feet wide and 18 feet deep. the planning department finds that this request for

modification to the horizontal break is justified for architecture reasons and special circumstances of sb park. the project sponsor are working with a shallow lot debt and would require 60 feet in depth and leave 6 feet for purposes of the lab building and circulation. it extends to the ground where the planning code does not require this. the project sponsor is proposing a low rise building with a varied heights of 2 and 3 stories and if this project were being developed up to the district's height limits, that would result in more shaving to sb park.

lastly the design element,s the department believes are high quality gifnt aluminum window screen with 75 percent transparency, and projecting second and third floor near the center of the building. the combination the department finds satisfy the hor ant al map reduction intent. the department finds that the department is con balance and objective and policy of the general plan. proposed facility will redevelop an under utilized property. and before i conclude, i want to touch on two things and one is a condition of approval that

i hand thed out and that's related to the use operations of the building, we've had multiple correspondence questioning the use as a laboratory. the department has done a thorough review from preliminary application over a year ago, up until the hearing and the planning is consistent with issue of 2020 and condition also references that. and i want to circle back on public comment. the department has received 49 letters of support and one email in opposition from the soe, as well as pro tremendous ro boosters.

the support is centered on the project operate erg, offering a local incubator and equipment for start of businesses that would otherwise be prohibit to create as individual businesses. and sponsor notification to date, not following dog patch neighborhood review process and guidelines and the improvements proposed at the arts plaza being incorrectly attributed to the neighborhood group.

we have the project team here today, we have nbc biolabs, we have rye on here from biolabs their sponsor attorney john kevlin as well as nbh architects. i'm here if you have any questions. thank you. >> very good, project sponsor, you have five minutes. >> speaker: thank you, on behalf of the product sponsor nbc biolabs. we're excited to be here, but i would like to have lea the coo of nbc to come up and speak to their attendance. >> thank you, when i was 22 years old i made a cer en dip

us discovery that we can treat cataracts with an eye drop. i moved to san francisco and rented a desk and bench and worked around the clock as a one-woman company to attract investors to the company and stand up an organization to be able to be develop the technology. my company was one of the first resident in the nbc site in the dog patch where i was of the to be working on similarly massive challenges. i came back to nbc as a part of the team so i can pay it forward. my name is lea i'm a proud resident of san francisco and i serve as coo.

nbc provides small increments along with operational support and access to instrumental to allow scientist to hit the ground running and generate the data that they need. ndw have 22 programs and the first drug is likely to be approved later this year, treating an awful fatal form of heart disease. despite the city's vacancy we're at capacity having to turn away entrepreneurs who want to build their business. we would like to build the 600 indiana project so they can get the biolab support as well as

the support of the city of san francisco and hopefully this commission. thank you for your consideration and for all you do for the city. now from the nbc crouch on pray park to the east, before design work even began. it's 7 2000 square feet, otherwise allowed, it's a two-three-storey building and height limit is 58 feet at the site. there is no limit that applies to the new shadow cast.

it's on heavily hand escape and based on this, the commission recommended that the commission find that there is no impact at the park. if this lab project were not constructed, this would have a bay site of 58 feet with a totally different order of shadow impacts which you can see on the screen here. the project achieves the goal of the goals long minuting and massive buildings by creating two separate buildings as viewed from the street. the project basic street will enhance the block, establishing the land street, upgraded

street escape connecting 600 and 800 street. further and response from neighborhood out reach, nbc has hired fletcher studio for improvement plaza to the north and providing a new dog shower to the south. out reach since its first allocation was filed. there have been include. if i can just say one more sentence, thank you. union labor for construction and currently working with the san francisco hyper contractor group to engage, thank you and we're here for any questions. >> thank you, with that, we open up to public comment. members of the public this is your opportunity to address the commission on this item. if you're in the chambers,

please line up on the screen side of the room. come on up, sir. yeah. >> speaker: -- ~>> through the chair, you'll each have two minutes. >> speaker: dear commissioners i'm dr. i've been a san francisco resident since 2000, and i'm the ceo of new company tohpax therapeutic. it's great new drugs that treat uncurable oncology diseases. i'm talking to you to express my enthusiastic support. san francisco has long been a hub of innovation attracting top talent and fostering research. however the laboratory space will cost most people to travel long distances town to palo alto in order to do their work. this marked the change in the

situation following this, ucsf mission bay blew into a campus, with academia and industry working hand and hand. critical to this is offering of rental spaces like small start ups like my own. nbc has been a leader in this. since moving into the san francisco nbc site, i can now walk to work, with my other employees from taupe as and also allows us access to local shops and restaurants or eating sushi at moshimoshi et cetera. it's need for more lab space and therefore i support the development. it's disconcerting to hear the to some degree believes that this is not going to be a life space. this is completely not true and

detracts from all the aspects from 700 indiana street development. thank you for considering my support. >> i'm a representative union here in the city, on behalf of larry all of our members and leadership of our union, we're here to support this project. this project here state-of-the-art facility will put local contractors to work. it will put local workers to work. and construction in an area brings jobs before during and after the construction period, and i think that's what we need. thank you for your time.

>> good afternoon, i'm dennis william, sub chair of collaborative and head of advisory committee. historical sf black community experienced devastating red lining in 970s, fell into decloserable conditions and economically impacted. finally from mission bay, and not limited to nbc bo labs along third street and bay view. statistics this would assist in lowering crime in as black developers will employ s sf youth. i want to emphasize the

importance of nbc biolabs and resident owned residents and supporting our hyper local. not limited to the future redevelopment. dewey land company, dedication to promoting diverse and small businesses within the construction industry is very commendable and aligns with our shared value. a significant step towards promoting diversity and supporting small businesses wnt detained community by proinviting equal opportunities

for all, we can ensure a level plan field that fosters competition. >> commissioners of the public, a project will provide vibrant work place for people striving tore our collective well being and prosperity. my career is a product of san francisco school system from lakeshore to ph.d at ucsf. as a native san franciscan, i have seen firsthand the positive force biotech has had. those companies having no place to grow are often often forced

to face the see and taking jobs and residents with them. it's a commitment to a future for all of us. health economy environment and education are far reaching. for anyone who came to oppose the development, i ask you to reconsider. the next time you amend the impact, you can take comfort in knowing that research in the dog patch neighborhood are working in clean technologies.

where ed gave a speech of having a home in san francisco. as we sit here, a decade later, supporting this innovation, could not be more important. brings not only innovation but has reduced barriers to get there. please join me and support this project. thank you. >> speaker: my name is--initial focused on gli oblastoma. with a one-year survival. my mentor and i cofounded telo, i would have launched maintained or grown our company

without the support and community provided. as a lifetime tenants, i've seen innovative companies get a start and grow into larger entities. diversity of problems, tackled by nbc tenants is a key part. there is no spirit of competition. instead there is excitement to collaboration and shared resources. networking events foster a strong community. drug development is a long and risky endeavor. nbc labs lowers the barrier allowing new ideas to be tested and allowing companies like my own to survive in early scientific failures. we could not have survived without the low overhead cost and flexible which helped us navigate as well as the

covid-19 pandemic. biotech is challenging, with failure always a possibility it takes a village to navigate the obstacles and abc labs provides this for us. thank you for considering the approval of a new building. >> speaker: i want to start about a child catherine, now three years old. when catherine was born she was appeared health but was unable to nurse or take nutrition, the reason? her esophagus failed to develop. a stub what would be the lower part of he esophagus had fused

her windpipe. she was die risk of a potential al lung infection. to disconnect the windpipe surgeons in germany used a new system, called connect, it's a product of ucsf innovation which brings together top surgeons from within ucsf and other leading institutions to work together to come up with new ways of caring for patients of wide range of challenging conditions from mal formation to cancer. and which started a company called michael labs, where i'm cao. le like so many of life sciences companies which have been started and grown-up here in san francisco, michael labs contributes to the city's economic base in so many ways.

thanks to connect catherine is a healthy grown child who's esophagus and lungs work the way they should be. i would like to encourage the commission so that san francisco can continue to be home to strife to improve health. >> speaker: good afternoon beinger we're developing cause to develop meg ain. i moved to the bay area, two years ago, and i knew i wanted to start a bio tech company, i moved here to san francisco and spent over two years commuting, everyday, to either memo park or red wood city and it was

brutal commute, traffic sucks and it's a waste of time. i even flirted with living in palo alto but that was even more depressing than the commute, sorry if you live in palo alto, all i want is to be able to walk to work and have employees that walk to work. so when we're looking for real estate, it was a no brainer. the staff who you'll smaoet will is so supportive, they do everything you can to make our company successful. that's what is so special, we

get a jolt on here. i encourage you to support spaces like this so sf can be a space of innovation, thank you so much for your time. >> speaker: good afternoon, i'm dr. nina warner and i'm a chemist, science start off developing safer more affective and more environment personal care products for women starting with paradise. before joining nbc 7 months ago, edge luce was only a idea and we're now a team of five and pipeline of game changing, none of this would have been possibly without nbc. nbc has provided with equipment and support to turn our vision into reality. in fact it's the only lab space within the city that could accommodate edgelous there is a

shortage of lab space and resources for small start ups in the city. labs are expensive or insufficiently outsourced. nbc fills the gap between idea and big pharma, it creates the infrastructure to create small scientific, to address the most pressing problem facing humanity. small science companies creating community cures and jobs. as a san francisco resident i believe it nurtures the best thing. it's filling a resource gap that no other company has addressed.

thank you. >> good arne and thank you for your consideration. i'm rachel and i'm the director of scientific innovation. about five years ago, i graduated from uc march said and hired as curing age related diseases, it's called the citrus therapeutics. for the first year i was the only scientist but they need to conduct a wide range of activities and it's very hard for one person to capture all of that.

in order for a start up to be accepted in nbc, one of the criteria is the applicant wants to contribute to shared space and community. i felt like i was the best possible position i was surrounded by people that were rooting for each other and they were generous with their time, networks and experience. we would help each other with technical challenges, we would be there for each other with the success and failures and ups and downs that science often brings. for the connections brought to the community. i therefore recently decide today join nbc full-time to with this mission. the membersing of nbc are generous and deeply en grained

in san francisco community. in addition to frequenting the wonderful restaurant and dog patch area, they also volunteer weekly at food banks time for team building events and continue to bring their educational efforts. thank you. ?r. for the past few years, i have lived. nbc has been a fantastic work place for me. every nbc building brings together a large group of people who are driven who are doing science that is going to impact the world and even if i didn't work at the nbc buildings, i would strongly support the building for that reason.

also much more than a building of scientist and it's a community engage withing each other and neighborhood, on monday of this week, i got lunch with a collaborator, and wednesday, i got lasagna with my brother from oakland, and and every week i got coffee with a friend that i met in the first building. i urge you to support the site, thank you. >> speaker: i'm gonzalez, and i work at the existing building

at 593 indiana, i came here today, hoping that i can play a successful part. now i'm going to speak from the heart. he let you go through as for for us, the ones that work for nbc, we like to go to mainstay market, we hop there every week. yeah, i'm just trying to say things that will make the neighborhood look good, it really does, we support the local bars and neighborhood, and dog patch saloon, ara, we have a lot of happy hours, on a monthly basis, if there is something that i can say is our

communities engages with the community. i feel it's a great place to be so i'm hoping that you'll approve this building. >> speaker: good morning, i'm here to share my personal experience as tenant. i'm cofounder of--drug discovery of brain diseases through research. we have developed ground breaking medicine that development of life saving. our a khaoe.s have been made possible thanks to the exceptional support and collaborative at nbc buy labs.

as a small company, we have significantly benefited for mentorship that nbc fofters. it has allowed us to foster into areas that we once thought were beyond our reach. creating more opportunities for a start up like ours to push the boundaries of science. ensuring that san francisco remains at the for front of innovation. thank you for your time.

>> speaker: good afternoon, commissioners it's going to to be hard to follow-up christian. i'm cody anderson and i'm a resident here in the city, just a bike ride away from the proposed site. i began my relationship with nbc about two years ago,. prior to meeting them, i already had a good understanding of find of their history of creating most admired therapy eutic, so many of the companies that call nbc communities their home employ some of the most generous and kindest people.

the point i'm trying to make, it brings a vitality to the city that we should be proud of. i really resent example is when i was preparing to volunteer at the james middle school over at balboa park and i learned a few materials, 6th graders were not going to arrive on time but we were able to adopt my lesson plan what would be a classroom of disappointed 6th graders turned into a laboratory experiment that we were able to give to them that sparked their imagination. person as a bay area resident, i'm proud to call our home biotech. with all of that being said, i would ask you to support nbc's

plan for 700 indiana. thank you. >> good afternoon, i'm kendall and i've been a resident since 19923. --1992, i accepted a job despite i had no family in san francisco and had never been here. i was nervous navigating a new community and new job is overwhelming. a couple of weeks into living here, i was given the opportunity to, my first day on the job was on scientific techniques and products they were. bouncing information and enjoying good food all with the same intention of helping find a cure or vaccine.

i left that day feeling motivated for the opportunity. following those two days, i was unaware of love i have for san francisco. each day i get the opportunity to work with some of the most brilliant minds and science and form new friendship and thoroughly enjoy coming to work each day. all of this would not be possible without the partnership that nbc has curated. i think we all know the saying, you're a product of your environment and this proofs the saying to be true. nbc and the over 300 companies that had the chance to raise 14 mrl of capital funding and initialed over 1400 clinical trials and generated thousands of jobs for individuals like myself and those in the community.

thank you. >> speaker: i'm catherine and i'm excited to talk to you today in 2016, i transitioned from academia to 953 biolabs, there i was introduced into a community of dedicated scientist. it's a small community and really built around the shared resources you heard about as well as shared at the time of harmonic. since then, i've worked at many other biohubs in the area, so south san francisco and even san carlos while they have plenty of parking, the dog patch is the one truly connected, as a biker myself, i would like to work there.

i it's super walkable, i would get coffee or sandwich and finally a place where people want to linger, so whether you're going out on a school night, if you know what i mean, or you know, visiting the new arts space, i just never forget we had a terrible day in the lab, we had to recover with beers in the park, so it's really connected to the neighborhood. this type of biohub is super unique and i encourage to you support the expansion. >> speaker: hello i'm daniel and i'm happy to be in san francisco have been recently move here from u.k. we spent the last one and a half month looking for lab space. and i promise like we did look

a lot and looked with several real estate brokers and nobody can find anybody else. if it was not for nbc, we would have had to go outside of sf and that would be a disappoint ing time for us. nbc ren ating at the time of our search but they had us move in within a week and that was incredible. most of these science companies need to leave san francisco because they can't find lab space. we've now and we're so grateful

to have our lab there, thank you. >> speaker: hello i'm lela, nbc 135 mississippi and my job is basically to ensure that the building runs properly and we also have a sense of community. i speak with many of our vendors and service providers when i place orders for things we need in the building as well as drivers and techs that come on our site. and i see the difference that we make in helping bring them more business, and we also have weekly events and catered lunches where we always use the community. i think we do a good job of being a positive role and then on top of that, we do support nonprofits like apri in the bay view district, we help them with their toy drive their last

christmas and with great power comes great responsibility and i think we're doing a great job and will continue to do a great job. thank you. >> speaker: hi, thank you for your time, i'm larry i'm physical by train anding a proud resident of the west portal area, the jewel of the west side. i've been a member of the nbc community almost since the day that it opened and during that time i founded two companies that made and will continue to make contributions to our understanding of the micro bioand human health, none of this would have been possible without resources of nbc and community that we've been listening to here today. investing in biotech is a challenging endeavor, but it's crucial in our fight against the growing burden of disease.

dedicated scholars and science is fully integrated, the work at nbc, cannot be done remotely. we spent our days in dog patch, we shop the local businesses and take pride in being members of the community. for folks on solving some of the most critical medical problems facing us today, everyday we approach with optimism and en thusiasm. please support this unique mission bay capitol community for its willingness to do the hard work and continuing to invest in our community. thank you very much for your time.

i'm a nurse scientist and i dedicated to find cure for alzheimer disease and als and i'm a senior bp of biology. in san francisco, similar to the one that is being proposed here, i was trained at ucsf and to have spade in san francisco because of the vibrant scientific community. and nbc biolabs incubator are extremely critical to the and

ours could not survive without, we need to have more space in san francisco dedicated to buy o tech companies and as a san francisco resident, i and the rest of scientist, we don't want to commute to south san francisco or san carlos and park and i've done that before and it's awful. please support this. thank you. >> speaker: good afternoon, i'm sasha, we're developing drug for alzheimer, i moved here when i was six years old from london and like you i've seen a lot of transitions for the

city, good and bad, so i was happy to hear that they're sphere heading. i start the space in new york city, this is another place where i consider my home. it's expensive, i was funding this company with my life saving for the first seven months, i could not afford to start the company there. it was absolutely wreck sit for us to get off the grounds in terms of our data, we developed some generating exciting data to winning competitive 500 platinum ticket sponsored by big pharma partners. this is a personal journey for me and my grandma passed away by alzheimer and would not be

able to do this without it, thank you for listening. >> i'm glad i had the opportunity to talk to the people, the building trends, my name is demetria i'm a president of contract collected, i know it's a long name but it's a lost us, inclusion of all contractors from d10, d6, that didn't have an opportunity to get on withoutous collaborating together, we were not able to get a lot of these jobs. but nbc, came out and introduced themselves about their biobass to our collective. we had a great conversation about inclusion, about

including hyper local contractors, involving the opportunity with opportunity to learn how to do some scientific research. so i think it's a win-win for the 700 indiana, i'm acorn and bay view all of my life, i'm jealous why we don't have a opportunity to have a lab coming in the third street to do to do constructive it's a win-win that's what i see, thank you. >> speaking on support of this project. you know, this building could

not be coming at a better time for san francisco, vibrant part of the overall environment and the work that these people are doing, it's, it's impossible to over state the importance it has for all of us. one day these companies can be saving my life and maybe yours, i hope you guys will find support for the project. thanks for your time. this opportunity will not only benefit the health problem but long term opportunities, nbc is trained fostering growth and development with our community. ryan are enthusiastic about

partnering with partners with contractors to contribute to the construction phase which will give us the opportunity to help employ the community as well. additional transforming them from starbucks to lab scientist, you're support for this project will be greatly appreciated. thank you for your time. >> my name is chris baker, i'm a resident for san francisco, biolabs project at 700 indiana, i think the architecture is incredible particularerly how they respect their part but how engages the park and the street escape. you know, there is been a lot of people before me, a lot of life sciences, biotech companies in the bay area, and it affects all of us and i

would like to touch how my dad had leukemia when i was in high school and given months not years and because of the clinical trial he was able to get in because the drug created here in bay area, and now in great shape and loves golfing and getting to do all the fun activity they do at this age. i'm grateful for the community. i hope you can join me in my spob and vote to approve it today. thank you for your consideration. >> thank you for having me today. i wholeheartedly support the building of 700 indiana street because of their commitment local contract and local contractors, additionally,

they're dedication to provide an opportunities to local dis en franchise and bringing them on board into the laboratory will be great for local residents to get the opportunity to deal with the science that is often and not readily available. thank you. >> hello everybody, i represent local 300 and we have about 500 members here in the city. and total of about 3000 and we support this 700 indiana proejt because it's going to bring a lot of contractors to work with skilled and trained contractors, local apprentices will get opportunity to grow. they're going to skill their journey, we do support it and

we ask that you support it as well. i'm a trustee and long resident to the west portal. and i'm here today to support this project as you heard from the previous public comments, that this project will provide hyper locals to work with the skilled and trained workers and also provide apprentice on the job learning hours to enhance their career in san francisco and all of this while uplifting the neighborhood and community benefits and strengthening our footprint in the biotech industry and who knows what life saving and tiers they may come up with. i urge you all to support this project today, thank you very much.

>> speaker: ummmm a representative for local 300, and i'm here in speak in support of this project. the fact that it provides 100 percent union workforce means a lot. we are in strong support, cause it provides the skill workforce to build this project and also local hire here, for the most part, i really care about providing new opportunities for apprentices here within the city which, it remembers myself and i had an opportunity to get in the trade that's the trade that i love here.

please support this project. >> speaker: i'm a business agent for local 16 insulator, much like the other members of building trades, we've already talked about the jobs that this is going to provide. san francisco for the last three years has seen a huge decline in construction jobs being available. right now i have a 100 members out of work that are eager to get on this project. this is highly dense lated project, long term though, i have an 8-year-old son and the week that was born, that said people being born right now due to the advance sxz technology, biotechnology, are going to live to be 1100 years old, i want it applaud every one here, my kid is going to be twice as

hold as i am and you have the opportunity to make that experience. thank you so much, this is a great opportunity and we support this, thank you. >> i will vouch that dog patch is a spectacular place to live and work. so i will say that dog patch is a great place to live and work. i'm asking you today to not approve the large project for 700 indiana. all of these companies do fantastic work. my mom is mocular genesis, i

spent weekends in her labs, they were not in residential and mix use neighborhoods. there is a significant, there are significant defects in the project including its shadow analysis. such shadows are allowed if they provide adequate benefits, so they're life science, that's not site specific, or required by the planning review, wider landscape, that would have been retired anyway. bren fit, i would like to be crystal clear, housing is a benefit and we see that as a benefit. for environmental clearance,

you must find na it does not create new shadow that affects the use and enjoyment of open space, this requires project and admit the art patch which is an open public space to the north. >> sue, sir that is your time. >> thank you. >> speaker: i actually work in real estate and i follow development. and what is important is that it can be built as we heard earlier, pulling all the necessary guidelines and unlike so many others, that is not the case. i'm personally grateful that businesses want to invest in san francisco especially one

like nbc biolabs, the building looks great, it's obviously for a great cause that we heard people talk about today and it should be a welcome addition to this neighborhood. i've never heard of a developer who thoughtfully and intentionally designed a building to blend into the neighborhood and spot the shadowing, they've done that with 700 indiana, there has been i think earlier some conversation about the use, it seems pretty use that this is a great use that it should be allowed and i just, i'm here to ask that you approve of the project, thank you. >> okay. yes, sir. >> speaker: bare with me, i'm jay asking on behalf of the booster not to approve this

large authorization, these are wonderful people and they're all doing wonderful things. but zoning is the choice. mayo clinic cannot put a children's hospital in the building. an office building cannot go on this site it could be contrary to the zoning and life sciences is contrary and we're being asked to determine this is not life sciences. the 2020 letter talks about production involving the final production products. we don't know what is going to happen, because that's not here yet. we cannot make a determination because the producers are not there. it seems weird that we have to look at each individual use to determine if this legal or not. they ignore the second half of the determination and that's the or provision of commercial services onsite. those commercial services as

per the definition can include the services and so on, and that is nbc own business models, it's life science but you don't have to take my word for it. the project sponsor asked the zoning administrator if it's laboratory use, it's laboratory space with life science in the zoning administrator said yes, yes, it is. the difference is at the time there is an overlay that said you can allow in dog patch life sciences, that overlay is now gone. it was revealed because it was not conducive and that's why they're asking to you go through the middle gymnastic and it's not good here. thank you.

>> okay, last call for public comment. seeing none, public comment is closed. this matter is now before you commissioners. >> we're going to take a ten-minute break and then we'll reconvene to deliberate. >> very good. sf gov., you heard that, ten-minute recess. >> okay, good afternoon and welcome back to the hearing for thursday, june 13th, 2024. commissioners we left off on items 13 a and b. for the 700 indiana street project. public comment is now closed *, and so the matter is now before you. >> thank you, i want to start

out with many thank yous to the scientists who came and testified, who educated us greatly about the work you do and of course we're fascinating of what you do, proud that you do this work and hope, you have great success both in the health and climate related fields, very excited to hear about your work. i also want to thank all the representatives the building trades who came out to testify, very very happy to hear about the dedications to hiring locally and using union labor to do the job. i also want to thank the neighborhood groups who have spent time examining the land use aspects of this project and trying to reconcile them with the way the code is written, it takes a lot of time to do that and we appreciate your dill against. and i want to thank the people who aren't here, many of whom

wrote letters and i want you to know that even for people who don't show up, we take the time to read the correspondence and take the issues into account in deliberations. so before we go any further, i want the staff answer the questions from the letters in the neighborhood groups. a question that was not raised in the hearing today but we received correspondence is whether or not adequate notice had been given. can you address that for us, please? >> speaker: absolutely, liz of current planning, some of the correspondence that we received claimed that there was not enough notice, we reviewed this notice and it's worth noting for every one that we have a standard practice that is disclosed that says when there

is a both section 311 notice as well as a hearing notice, they are combined, shortened but cover the entire radius and demographic of people who need it noticed. owners are noticed, the proper radius that duplicative notice is conducted in one short 20-day notice. >> thank you, the second question related of the shadow analysis of the arts plaza, can you address that question, please? >> absolutely, so there are two different aspects of where, this could have been potential lee anne issue and that would be in the planning code and ceqa. first in the planning code, there is a planning code provision that talks about a shadow on non protected properties. that provision of planning code 147 only provides over 50 feet, this building is not over 50 feet so that's irrelevant. as it relates to the ceqa, i

did go back to the officer and she has confirmed and i have a statement from her, that i will not read in detail, i'll spare you, but the punch line is confirmed upon further review and based on the position to us that the ceqa shadow does comply with the ceqa requirements, furthermore just to pepper the record we do have not additional memo that maybe i can ask staff to pass out. that is from the shadow consultant that further elaborates why, i will not go into the details but we'll pass that memo for you. consistent with our requirements. >> thank you. and the third issue had to do with terminology, and i will say, how the code and the zoning administrator appeared to use the terms life sciences,

bio tech and laboratory, maybe very specific to their interpretation but may not be how they're used in common par lons which creates confusion. can you address. one of the most important we approve uses, not users. so although this has been incredibly touching and we love to hear particular users and understand their model and that makes our job easier for being able to figure out which land use category we place somebody in, at the end of the day is what is being authorized is the use. many of nuance distinction between a life science laboratory use, are detailed characteristics that are more

operational in nature than they are, you know, physical ones that you can necessarily see on floor plans. but what i wanted to kickoff by saying is one, the laboratory use is permitted, this is not a permitted use that you need to make a judgment call on. the building is designer review that is before you as well as shadow, so we would not schedule this project for a hearing if we did not fall within the land use of laboratory. so get into the nitty-gritty details here, one of the points that was raised in the letter notice a letter of termination from 2012 conflicts with a letter of determination. within acting zoning administrator this morning she says this is very common. we have a lot of places in our code where there is previous determination sxz updated with new determinations, that is not unusual in any topic.

the most resent, always reveils. we are our planning code as you know is law of the day so the law is one that prevails and letters of determination if not appealed was not appealed, they are as good as law. so that is what we're following, we are not following what was written in the 2012 letter of determination, we were looking at the more resent 2020 and primarily distinction that they have confirmed is distinction between laboratory which is permitted is the quote production of final commercial products or provision of commercial services onsite. this project does not do any of that, and again, we would have not scheduled this for hearing if there was any doubt that this project complies with that. >> so i had called you ahead of time based on this confusion around the use issue and said, how would a future owner of the

property or future tenant, know what kind of use is permitted and what is not, because the language in our code and in the letter of determination is so san francisco specific. and you had, we had discussed the possibilitied of including a condition that made clear, do you want to talk about the proposed condition. >> sure, and i believe charles passed this out, it's been a couple of hours at this point, you should have the condition of approval and what we're suggesting is to put into the entitlement approval a conditional of approval that basically hyperlinks the 2020 letter of determination, because we know those determinations can be buried in the record and the average person may not know such a thing exist. so by putting a condition that states as currently defined through affective three this 2020 letter of determination,

which i just explained. so we can add that as a continue avenue proof al. >> thank you, and for the project sponsor, have you seen the proposed language for the condition and are you amenable to it? >> thank you, president diamond yes we've seen it and we're good with it. >> okay, i am very much in support of this project. i believe particularly at this point in our economy, that we want to encourage the en vestment in facilities that produce, you know, great jobs, and that are for future should be, designed to enable those projects to go forward. i am thrilled that this job this project is also proposing a using union labor, local labor, that is, really beneficial to us. i appreciate the fact that the project was, that the design parameters were set to try to minimize shadow, i don't like

it when any rec and park especially when it's being invested in right now, has to take on new shadow but i take comfort in the fact that park and rec is not signed off on that. so i'm willing to go with their particular determination, i heard early thaer superintendent walton is proposing legislation that may preclude this kind of use, if it's ultimately adopted. i, i understand uses can changeover time by policy changes and new legislation, i would be absolutely opposed to changing the rules of a game for a project that is mid-stream, this project purchase the property, and spent millions doing that and also spent, you know, millions more on soft cost and i believe that it should go forward and

that board of supervisors can have a policy debate about what uses they want to permit in this neighborhood but whatever they land on, i would not be supportive of this project given where it is in the stage of application process. so with that, i will turn to commissioner koppel. >> thank you, president diamond i have so much comment that i'm going to ask for mr. caple and are we cleared up with miscommunication, did we address every issue that you've been aware of. >> absolutely, she did a good job going through that and it's been a definition that's been interpreted and we have a clear interpretation that is helpful to this project as well as the whole world because now we have a rule that we know what the rule is, yes, thanks. >> thank you so much. overwhelming support here today.

i want to thank you mr. indicatelin, i heard that the c a o is well spoken and i wrote that down 25 more time, every one did a great job this is an just an extraordinary project that i'm impressed with, still putting a modest building, this building could have been larger and more of an impact and i think the design is really well tastefully done. do you want to emphasize that this was approved by the park and rec commission and that the commitment this developer is making shows how important the partnerships are, not just the contractor, there is no labor without contractor, labor and construction workers work for contractor what is even more special about the local contractor group is they're not just construction workers, they're business owners. and that's not an easy thing to do especially here in the city.

huge shout out for breaking through the mold and not just going through the work but actually doing the work na is a huge deal. it's something that i've been hugely passionate about, ever since we were approving the bay view hunter's point, i was here on the public side speaking in favor of those projects and people looked at me, you're from the sunset so i gathered my members from the electrician local 6 and they formed our electrical workers made up of workers from the 4124 that want today go work in the 9424. so this is huge for me. it's important na the developers, it is not just contractors, it's not workers, it's those people when they're temporarily employed, building the buildings and then these people are going to be employed in the building all the businesses, surrounding are going to be filled with lines out the doors.

the training centers that are here are going to get more applicant and have more classes to help keep the pricing down in these construction projects and more applicant are going to apply, more people from united players are going to have opportunities like the opportunities that hi to go through the trade and start off a low wage and by a house in the city that i grew up in. this is a huge vehicle, it's a great opportunity for the neighborhood, great opportunity for the city and i'm thrilled that this is such an open minded innovative use in a neighborhood that is always been known for that, it's not just residential, there is a lot of contracting businesses in the dog patch, there is a lot of material wholesale in the dog patch, it's a really mix use neighborhood, so i think this project fits in well. and i would like to make a motion to adopt the shadow findings and make another motion to approve the large authorization with the additional conditions of

approval. >> second. >> commissioner imperial. >> thank you, and also i want to thank the people that came here today, i learned a lot. i think this is my first hearing about a bio tech lab or science, biotech use, and so i learned a lot in terms of like, what is happening, at least an idea of what is being used in this industry. at the same time, i think this is for me and perhaps, in the future with the planning commission to have some informational hearing when it comes to the differences between the laboratory and life science, that's actually one of my questions, is, you know, as you said, laboratory is permitted but life science is not. what is the difference in terms of the life science itself and life science laboratory?

>> sure and this was the one-liner that i read when i was speaking, is the difference was written out in the letter of determination, the most critical part is here is life science, requires the production of a final commercial product, or provision of commercial services onsite. so how i was thinking about this in layman's terms is the laboratory is the scientist doing their work with their pea tree dishes and whoever and working on the science, developing the science, when something is discovered and they're ready to go on mass and produce it, to produce a product like a vaccine, that would be life science, so the life sciences that production piece, the laboratory without that is just the science and the research and that sort of developing of concepts. so hopefully, that is at least, again it's a very wonk'

definition, we don't disagree na the language is not great at best, and can can use improvement. right as we're adopting, you know, zoning definition when there is new legislation is something like biotech is very much an industry that is evolving and it's evolving at a faster pace where real estate happens, we're used to working at longer time lines. people are creating advances and you know, healthcare and science and technology and so the definitions that exist in our code right now were made a really long time ago in the science world and i do think it's fair to say that they're very much miss aligned with how the biotechnology community talks about itself so it gets confuse whening the real world way people talk about themselves, might use the word life science. but that has a total separate

unrelated, conation than what is the planning code land use definition that they're almost apples and damages, but it makes for a really confusing discussion. >> i appreciate that, for me, because looking into this 2012 and 2020, what does it look in the land use, what does, incubator versus laboratory would look like in the building as respect? and that's something from the comment that's i'm hearing today, sounds like different kind of leads, these tenants are, pretty much having their own intubation, that's the impression that i'm having from this building. on the other hand, there is again, first time mentioned and also the staff mentioned about the supervisor walton creating a legislation in the prohibiting the lab science which i would like to understand as well in terms of

like, i have a feeling na this is in connection of the buffer between the residential areas. i'm wondering if the planning staff or do we have an idea as to what you're kernds being would like supervisor walton like to address in that legislation? >> sure, so the legislation although it's been introduced has not been transmitted towards department. so although we've gotten a early read of what was introduced it has not been transmitted to the department. we're legislative staff come every week and we have a 90-daytime frame to do that analysis to really dig into what is the intent here, how do we feel it's good planning, good policy and present it to you. so we have not had the time to do that, candidly, i want to be clear about that. but we're very infancy stage of the legislative process, we

have not analyzed it, let alone have the votes to be approved. so it has its own life of whether that proposal becomes law. so we're not sure where that is going yet but i do think, again what is important here, is there are nuance distinctions between life and life science, and should for example, nrs any tenant that at ininfancy, incubation and they have the ability to go into production, they would have to leave. they would not be able to do that. that's contrary to the business model that they have, they have trying to do the incubation not house big pharma. think of a gid ad, they produce, they're big.

they're going to have to make sure that the tenants that you know, the people who rent seats from them, operate in the way that aligns with this definition and don't ever grow into a larger level. realistic they don't have the infrastructure in the building to do the second piece. so again, that's one of the things that we're not concerned that this could evolve into that and become an enforcement. but we're approving the use, if they ever operate that would be a violation that we would enforce just like anyone else. >> and my final question is, while i'm sitting here in the commission. >> laboratory permitted. we signed off on plenty of them

they just don't come to you. >>? life science. that is the funny thing, none of these are prevented in the zoning, we have absolutely signed off on a handful of laboratory uses, we often though, it's more challenging, we often don't know who the user is, again we're approving the land use of lab and they need to make sure whatever tenants move in, operate consistent with the same rules. because it includes a new building which is in your per view, we're doing that part, we're getting to hear about the particular tenant in question, it's usually more information than we often have. >> thank you for all the information. >> yeah. >> commissioner so. >> thank you, president. so first of all, thank you for showing up here today. i know you would have spent

today's time trying invent the next whatever thing to cure my family, so thank you for being here. i love san francisco, we need to be continue to innovate and more sector than just software, i hold dear to my heart. as an architect, i did a building in ucsf, and i understand the challenge of large institutional life science, campus or university, whatever you want to call them, it might take you, ten years or twenty years on the bench that you still may not move faster. i love the spirit of taking the idea with all the brain power and driving every one to come here to invent something that otherwise we cannot move faster. we need to move faster enough, we continue to age and we allow

all the other innovations and technology on our streets in our whatever you want to call it, everywhere but we need more in our life science. truly whatever it is, when there is economy up and down, we still get sick, so we would like to get more innovation to cure us. in light of that, i want to respond to, having understanding on, the letter from your coo mr. daniel mentioned that you have two other labs and within the three blocks of two other locations within three sites. what are your usage compared to this one that you'll be pursuing?

can somebody? >> it's the same model, so each space rents lab space by very small increments, exactly the same. >> okay, so it's been around for ten years or so. >> indiana site, started in 2013. >> that's incredible. i also want to know, i know that a lot of your staff and your people, your team talked about, going out and having drinks afterwards when somebody happen, bh something goes well or whatever and copy and one coffee shop, i forgot what it's called. but, thank you. pa chino, it's italian, i live really not so far from where you are, i would like to see that, instead of just go in just to buy a drink and do all of that stuff which is amazing

already, but, what if is anything you taught of engaging the community in a meaningful way meaning like inspire our next generation of innovator pursue in life science space. >> i'm so glad you asked, we have public events. so we do a lot of programming where scientist like some of the scientist that you heard today will give a lecture of their work and those are open to the public. we have a mailing list, it goes to around 6,000 people, most of whom are residents of san francisco and we welcome the community to come to those lecture serious and there is usually snacks and drinks afterwards. >> that would be lovely to see more community engaging in the new space because it looks very spacious in the open lab where, you know in the ground floor that would be really really

nice. when you have kids going to see their doctorer to ucsf, i hope many people will move to that area to live. i would like to see that they can walk by their building not only looking oh that's not us, i like to see something about that you're in inspiring a younger girl, of color that actually pursueds life sciences and also cool, you don't always have to write a app on the phone. >> absolutely. we have areas come through for field trips. >> oh you do. >> speaker: and we do educational programming, we often time have summer intern from high school or klemgz where --colleges where it's their first experience. we do something of that but it's something that we do more in the future. >> especially in the 11, i

would love to have your company commit on furthermore lowering the barriers engage the local kids near by, not just in 11 but kids that have less resource reaching out to them and being actively more engaged just meeting, meeting some of the scientist, is like meeting celebrities, you cure, it's something really cool. i would like to get a better understanding also allow the public and community to get a deeper understanding of what you do. and i, really looking forward to you to be able anchor tenants be very good steward ship to our community and our neighborhood.

there is responsiveness to the community. is would like to know if any of the project sponsor would like to share some follow-up with me. i've been getting email of some of the group i don't remember which group that were not able to meet with the architect but the architect cannot. >> speaker: i've continuously reached out and they continue to be available beyond this hearing to make sure that we improve the street escape and make sure it fits in and what the community wants. >> okay, i would appreciate your commitment, video tape right now. and we can all watch the video

again, if i got another email, you know. i hope i don't get another email. so, i actually wanted to say one thing i would first, i was curious about the whole horizontal mass reduction, exemption but then i take a closer look how you decided to utilize the essence of why we have to create this planning regulation, is to really break down the massing and i would like to applaud architect thought beyond outside of the box and offering to actually create that indentation to the next level, it's a good architecture move. i know that you're because of the lot depth our law, not law

but code will create a oops situation so you're setback by one-third, it's nice in scale so thank you for doing that. i hope that other projects can kind of take that as a thought of just in spiration, really understanding the essence behind the code regulation sxz make us a beautiful building. but i do have questions about the material on the facade, i wonder if the architect is here, okay. >> speaker: hi, my name is eddie with nbh. >> i don't know you, i need to

disclose. personally i don't know him, so i want to know, the massing is a i like the moves but i wonder the materiality of the close to white and also metal fencing, what's your thought coming in the context of site context? >> sure so one of the big consideration is the proximity, so we know that cleaning is a very important component. so we want to use easily cleanable materials to keep the building looking good.

that's where the concept of the screen skaim from. in terms of the various concretes, we have got and the massing, trying to tie those to the stair towers, that we've got on the three different facades, trying to anchor the building, help it feel proportionately but also materially consistent. >> so do you draw any references from all of your neighboring site contacts buildings on materials or you decided to differentiate your building? >> certainly in terms of the massing of the building both to the north of the project and the south. working with the end user group and trying to reconcile their needs for the interior of the space with tying those two pieces of the neighborhood together.

so, the context largely comes from the size of the building, at the 20th street, to the south, 20th street over pass and the, dog patch plaza and the housing project that is across the plaza to the north. >> thank you. >> material ity, we did study that during the process. >> okay, thank you. that concludes my comment. thank you. >> thank you. >> commissioner williams? >> thank you, thank you all for coming out here. it's, it was fascinating to hear all the great things that you guys do.

it's a little confusing for something like me is a lot of public to try to understand what exactly biotech does. and you know, i think, that's part of like for me what gives me pause to, i mean this project everything about the project i like, i mean the like the work that you do, i like the fact that you're helping start up future entrepreneurs something who may have a great impact on our health or something. and you're using union labor which is important. the one thing that i didn't, wasn't too impressed with

though, was i didn't hear anything from the surrounding community, any of the folks that live close to you. i know what this particular lot is, i've been there several times and there is a park there and there is a residential buildings not even more so recently. one of the concerns concerns is i don't think i'm alone, what kind of materials are there present onsite. is there anything that may have an impact, there is not much of a buffer zone between the labs and the residents.

so these are real concerns, i, it's interesting that the district supervisor is already, he's proposing some legislation probably to answer some of these concerns. what i'm trying to get is, is, if there going to be this push for, for biotech in these areas, i think people have to understand that they're safe, and that is kind of up to you guys to like educate the public, because the work that you do is important. we have to consider all of this stuff.

we understand that the work that you're doing is very important, that is significant you know, and on the other hand, you know, the safety aspect and we have to think about the residents and the community at large. unfortunately for me, i don't know a lot about the biotech industry, this whole project has made me find out more. but i do have a question about the materials that you guys use, right, what actually do you? >> so the federal government is called biosafety levels, one, two, three and four, this laboratory is a biosafety level two. what that means it's pretty innocuous materials and there are protocols in place.

so this is a very what we have to have and follow. >> just at a curiosity who regulates that, who comes out and actually makes sure that everything is okay? the alphabet soup, fire department, health and safety, there is all sorts of folks that regulate what we have to do and reports that we have to create around that. and that's what we're able to take care of for our companies because it's a big burden to make sure that you have all protocols in place and that you safely follow everything. so we help our companies do that because that burden is pretty high. >> got you, i don't know if this is a burden for you, what happened to your community out reach to the immediate area, didn't seem very robust, you know, considering the size of

this project, i mean there is a lot of people that live around there and so it kind of gave me pause, it gave me a question in my mind. did you guys do that work? obviously you have the i would say that and he he did send out multiple notices. some who didn't spoke today and didn't, we had a meeting with the dog patch and potrero development committee, so we did do, the talking with everybody that we had a lot more out reach than most projects would do. i don't really agree with that statement but it is what it is. that's a concern for me, you

know, again i like everything about what you do but i was not impressed of that part of your out reach. you're coming to an established community and to be part of that community, you have to reach out and let people know who you are and what you're about and not just, because i got the money i can come in here and buy it and do what i want to do. i don't think that's a right and not to say that you did that, but, when you don't, take the time to reach out and talk to folks, especially folks living around where this building is going to be, put them at ease. when it comes to buy o tech people, they just don't know, they don't know what it is and what goes on there and you know, safety is something that every one is concerned with.

so, it's just a comment, i'm not sure if it's going to affect anything today, but yeah. thanks. >> commissioner braun? >> well first of all thanks to every one who has come out to give comments today and for those who have stuck around for the hearing. i want to thank staff also for addressing some of the questions that president diamond first raised, i had many of the same questions and i'm satisfied with the responses regarding noticing shadows in the arts plaza and the zoning and determination of the definition. as far as, this project overall, i think we're in a privileged position to even be talking about getting a lab project like this, i work in a lot of communities in the bay area that are, that are doing everything that they can to try

to attract a project like this, so it's wonderful that this it is coming to san francisco and it's not just in pi anyones eninsula or downtown san francisco. but that does not mean that we should not be sensitive, so i'm being cautious and thoughtful about that aspect. i'm going to dive into a few specific things here. on the horizontal massing of the project, i want to. echo commissioner so's comments about how i i think the solution has been with the design of the project is really helpful and thoughtful. i appreciate the effort that was made there and i'm comfortable with the designer approach. i will say that i'm not in favor of this project i am in favor of it, but my

reservations are i don't like projects that have shadow. can we're adding, which is park which is undergoing renovation, which was a great park and it's going to be a better park, it did need a little bit of love. i do appreciate the site, it can be much taller examine we would have less control of impact especially with residential, so imbalanced, i'm comfortable approving i'm okay with approving the shadow impacts on the park, i'm not entirely comfortable with them. although it was not described previously, in materials we

received and staff reports. thed, wup thing i want to kind of dis english tangle here a little bit is the zoning designation issue and the differentiation between lab uses and life science uses i think this is one of those areas where the code needs to changes to affect reality, where we have variety of businesses that are renting spaces on a shorter or longer term basis and doing different things, this happens potentially as retail becomes more, or experience oriented, this is happens potentially with coworking spaces even.

it's something that we need to navigate. i'm hoping that with supervisor walton legislation that comes forward it may be an opportunity, as part of legislation i'm giving a plug here to let us consider how our land use definition may need to change in the future. and last comment i want to make is i do encourage the product sponsor to continue to work on design of scrape improvements. and so any changes will have to go through the city's processes. i appreciate the commitment to

to end and i encourage to continue to work with the changes if any, if desire may end up looking like. those are my comments, thank you so much. >> vice president moore? >> i would like to thank everybody, fascinating story, much appreciated. we are sitting here trying to bring what you're trying to do, which i fully support in the context of the responsibilities that puts us in the position we're in. i would like to ask the architects a couple of questions and follow-up on commissioner so's inquiry about the building.

i'm concerned and i would like to ask you why you didn't mention the drawings, that leaves people a little bit unaware about the excessive length, almost 400 feet. i see a 12-foot indication as only indication. over the overall length is not inskated which leaves the member a little bit in the dark about how large this building is. i appreciate the breaking up the building into two spaces, i like the variation of massing, i do like the notch come to the ground, all of that, why did you not imply other means, change and totality of

materiality to break the building down into more readable pieces, because we are in the context of residential neighborhood, and i would personally have appreciated more variation in terms of how massing he can presses itself. i would like to bring at least our new commission members up to speed on the fact that in the wlaft 15 years, we have building a number of incrediblably projects examine my own hope given that we rarely put an offense alongside park, that in this particular case, we did not grab this opportunity to consider one of those fabulous designs residential on this side.

that's not a question that you can answer but i would like to answer together with the question, do you have any roof top equipment? that looks wonderful pristine long planes flieding along the freeway, there roof top and if so, can we see the drawing of that? >> yes, i'll start with the equipment and i'll address that i'll do my best to walk us through that. the freeway 280 between the freeway and what i'm going to call the backside of the building, is a caltrans right-of-way that they use for maintenance and that has vegetation. on the two-storey mass of the building, which is the southern half of the building, we do

roof top equipment and we've located that towards that caltrans easement and on the freeway side. it also includes a screen mall that surrounds that equipment the equipment that we have used and plan to use on this facility, and that we've used on other nbc facilities is, modest in terms of laboratory support equipment. we don't have big stacks that go up into the area, we don't have very tall equipment for building of this size. i would say it's comparable to typical office, package unit that you might see on a commercial building. so, by locating it, towards that side, the intent is to both provide a sound break for the users on the occupied roof

and also insulate it from sight lines at the park. in terms of the overall dimensioned on the plans, i know there were partially exhibits that were included in the submittal to the planning department. i'm looking at the existing site demolition and easement plan which indicates the size of the site and also the depth of the site. i feel like it is, something that can be understand that the

building is a north to south. >> i appreciate your reference to the generic site plan, typically, this commission cease sees architecture drawings, i happen to be myself. we do dimensional buildings, i do think that it could be helpful as you're moving forward to disclose what your roof looks like, we know that the the city is more losing quality views as it comes towards the city from the south or going to the from this coming south or coming from the north. and it has been extremely important about development along freeway parcels to try to create an inviting together

with an inviting roof cape that allows us to serve recognize what is beyond it. so i would encourage you to stay in that conversation if you can. i appreciate your comments and i think for the disclosure about your roof top equipment would be very important to understand the building, thank you. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, i have a question for mr. eppler, i know you have issues with your scooter there, if you don't mind i would like to ask you a couple of questions. >> thank you for your patience, two more weeks of this broken ankle. >> i hope you recover soon. that's not a joke, within

minutes particularly as we get over 20. could you mr. eppler, you've been the leader with booster with your back grounds as an attorney with you get us to the basic principles, you're reflecting on the inclusion of large buildings such as lab biolab. >> i'm sorry can you repeat the question again. >> i would like you to take us into the eastern neighborhoods considerations about lab buildings, building size and why this particular building in your mind does not fit? >> thank you for that. so the eastern plan was broken into three parts.

at the time fs a mission bay while the university was there, it was the tail wag of the dog development. and in both plan and in the central water plan, which comes as dog patch there were mindings that they were creating this mix use zoning which is a new zoning classification and that mix zoning was designed to provide a buffer against large commercial pieces, including office space, restrictions in office space that are floor restrictions but you cannot have a large office building. restrictions against heavy production, the industrial uses that got zoned in distribution repair and there were buffers against life sciences and

biotech those words were used together in the findings of eastern neighborhoods plan. and that was because we were trying to develop a neighborhood, provide for residential development in the neighborhood acknowledge that we had other uses that were very important and protect those uses and provide a buffer between the uses and existing residential areas. >> could you reflect for a moment even remembering when we were still there it was basically for all of us great way to go to the park to go to the cafe, to go to the outlet store, it was a vibrant space. i assume what this building will do ot open space will be quite different?

after the business hours are done so is the building and i understand that many will be working later tonight it's a little bit difficult but all lawyers do that too. >> i have one last question, you brought to our attention the 2012 letter of determination, i myself was unaware that there was new overriding interpretation was this a new one for you as well. >> look, i think that the 2012 letter of determination goes to the oar commercial use of the service use, determination, i don't see them in conflict. it's production or provision of services, that is highlight thed in the 2020 administration

letter, i knew that, let me say this, i felt when i discovered the 2012 letter there must be some sort of planning determination that happened because in 2012, life sciences were allowed in urban mix use in the central water front because going back to your first question, commissioner, the planning department did not know how things were going to shake out in 2008, so they wanted to take the parcells closest to ucsf and let's see if it expands that direction, we get that. we didn't get that, what we got instead is residential podium. and in 2021, the board of supervisors said okay, well the neighborhood that was residential things that we were trying to buffer from the large commercial spaces has expanded and if it expanded the buffer has to expand too examine we don't want to allow these uses in urban mix use zoning anymore and law has changed on a vote

to 11-0 towards the supervisors. >> fick keep you for a moment, as we're struggling with housing sites and struggling with deficiency in large numbers of housing and residential in the city, that we are again being torn between two financial and regular objectives, one being biolabs and one housing, this puts me in a difficult position and i do not quite know, how to work myself out on this one. if you had if you had a magic wand, if you had to the ability to have something from these new neighbors, what would you ask? >> you mean besides a cure for baldness?

>> would you say that again? [laughter] i mean, i mean, there is a lot of really great work that these people do, and i feel as a neighborhood, we've zoned and provided specific spaces that are there for that. there were, we specifically put them away for blocks away, it's not in our back yard, it's we've designed gardens for uses within our back yard and that's what we hope to see and we know that's a lot of development that is trying to depend on maybe sciences to help kick start things. you know, i would love to see residential, i would love to see affordable component, i would love to see this use within our community and in the zone place, because it's important and it is a community and i think we'll be here next week talking about one of

those projects just like this, that you'll support about from the neighborhoods. >> so you don't have any particular comments of how they can be better neighbors? >> if we can activate the first floor space, i love the out reach to the community, i cannot say that nbc has been a bad neighbor but we have not had any interactions only when they come for new improvement. we have public schools that they can contribute to scientific education. there are two great neighborhood schools, daniels elementary and activation of the ground floor is key. and you know, being i mean, being a part and not just a customer of but enact i have part of the community will be great.

>> for all of those linsing, he has been a great, and i know many stand behind mr. eppler, but if you can stand, there is a coming together of feel safe and be a good neighbor. >> thank you. >> thank you for the opportunity and president diamond, i hope to cross the trail soon. >> i'll see you there.

>> with deeply engaged, in the drafting of the eastern neighborhood plan and i wonder if you would not find coming forward and sharing your sper respective on this use. as you think it was anticipated by or not anticipated by the eastern neighborhood plan. >> good to see you, for many many years, i think 23 i worked for the city on issues like this and i was the lead planner, standing on the shoulder of many before me who actually adopted the eastern neighborhood program.

i've given you 44 years without seeing me so that's good. maybe 5. i don't want to take too much of our time and it was adopted in 2009. and the central thing that we were struggling with and frankly this struggle went on for ten or fifteen years when we got a product adopted. was a very essential, how do we divide up areas in the eastern part of the city, between traditional industrial uses and protect them. what landed as a middle ground was the concept of urban mix use and it's president in live neighborhoods, it's president in parts of the mission and

it's present at the base of potrero hill. and the concept this is where i differ with jr a bit, the concept was a bit of anything goes as as long as the anything was too agrecious. --we made sure that lots of office was not permitted. that it's a looking at the mixture of uses. at this point, a small scale that is in production that does not have big trucks coming back and forth that can exist in

concert with residential uses. i bragged as survived amazingly well for the last 13 and 14 years and things do think cha things do evolve. i'll leave it there and i'll be

happy to answer any questions. >> i very much appreciate the input. i see one more speaker, two more. but before i call on them, i want to second the comments that were made by lydia so about engagement with the neighborhood. role models really matter, especially when you have female scientist come talk to them show them that women are doing great work. of course for boys is it's important but i'll underscore the road elz in a field where they have not existed very long. it's a really important piece of work, they say as the mother of a daughter who ended up in the sciences but not a lot of

great models along the way, it really matters. okay, commissioner williams? >> i have a question for planning. i'm trying to wrap my head around it. >> i cannot speak to the specific continue ants, there is certainly are a fair number of laboratories.

there would be more biotech and maybe it's industry term. >> maybe i can add, what is important to the spirit of this being mixed use, the adjacent building is residential. so there is a mixture of there being a combination of laboratory uses throughout the greater neighborhood but we don't usually do like an audit of a sort of how many uses within any radius but in your motion, there will be there is a, you know, paragraph about what the surrounding use are in the property but i don't know if that goes to what you're looking for. >> yeah, i was trying to wrap my head around, like if this is something that is unique or has this been done before?

that's all. >> yeah, we've seen projects in the zoning list like this before. >> are reready to vote? >> okay. >> if there is nothing further, there is a motion that has been seconded. you made two separate motions, do you want me to read them together? >> i'm okay with them together. >> very good then, on the motion to adopt shadow findings and approve a large finding, commissioner so. >> aye. >> commissioner williams? >> aye. >> commissioner braun? >> aye. >> commissioner imperial. >> aye. >> koppel. >> aye. >> moore. >> aye. >> and president diamond. >> aye. >> motion passes unanimously 7-0. commissioners this places us on the final item, number 14 for case number 22-15cu a. for the property of 45 bronte

street, conditional use organization. >> good afternoon, commissioner, the case before is a request for continual use authorization pursuant to planning code section 209.1, and to remodel an existing one story single-family residency with a vertical and horizontal

to extent demolition. proposed addition will expand the existing 5 19 square foot dwelling unit and approximately 2500, three-storey three-bedroom unit that includes one class one parking space, and approximately 284 square foot. the project that is approximately, 1750 square feet located on the east side between mojave avenue. the subject building is currently vacant and has been for approximately 3 years according to the project sponsor. and prior to the submittal of application, the party con supports did complete a meeting on september 29 of last year. 8 members of the public attended the meeting examine since the a preapplication,

they have continued to engage with the neighborhood including attending the heights east design review board on two occasions and resulting in the blessing heights design board where they determined that the project is compliance with the east slope guidelines. family size dwelling unit with officer park without displacing tenants. continual use --conditional use is being requested for major alteration of an existing dwelling unit beyond the tant amount threshold. it's important to note that while the building is not being completely demolished, it's

considered demolition pursuant to planning code section 317. the department recommends approval with conditions and believes the project is necessary and desirable for the following reasons. the project will maximize under developed lot and expand dwelling unit into a family size dwelling unit. the project will provide compatible zoning one district and building that is compatible with size and height and architecture characteristics of the immediate neighborhood. this does conclude staff's recommendation and part of the sponsor team does have a presentation for you. >> very good, you have five minutes.

?ment good afternoon, i'm my my i'm project architect and thank you for your time hearing today. i would like to go ahead to the next slide please. so the site is at the northeast corner and the existing building is a delap tated non historic single-family dwelling with no bedroom, it was owner occupied since 1976 and has been vacant since 2021 when the previous owner passed away. so this existing site plan, shows the building highlighted in blue.

remove a is like umbrella mentioned and that's why we're here today. the new envelope over laid over the existing and with real wall being the element remaining in the same location and expansion towards this item front. so i'll show some mod if you canation. the ground floor here is includes a modest two bedroom with one bathroom one car garage with bicycle parking and existing the existing crow cut so no on street parking was

removed. in the red areas, you see there is the reduction per design guidelines. we also slope the roof above the stairs and although not required the original design also setback five-feet the building and the, the deck the rear deck as a way to step down the massing. and then, here are some changes in the elevation. so in summary we reduced site and setback at the corner and

provide additional landscaping area to increase the enter tree and create visual interest. and then next. that's the portions that were removed and next again, is from the side elevation along mojave and as you can see, that has been reduced on that corner. next. and this is the slope at the rear elevation. and then lastly, one more. that's showing the stair in the front wall in the deck with the parabed removed. and apart from conditional use authorization for demolition, this project fully complies with building code, design guidelines as in conformance with the design guidelines.

so we sincerely ask that you approve the project and we appreciate your time can consideration. >> thank you, that concludes sponsor presentation, we should open up public comment. public this is your opportunity to address the commission. >> speaker: hi shelley i lived a cots from the development. i want to thank the applicant and review work for their work. their revisions have really improved the plan. what i would like to know is does this comply with the bernle heights sud section 4.2,

it's not red tagged but it's, it's a 1955 tiny addition and it sits lower on the lot. so i'm going to change gears from that question, i would also like to mention if it was lowered than the entire height would come down. working house holds can still afford it. oar time some families with higher incomes moved in but still provides affordable housing options. the delg is just over 500 square feet. my living space is only a

little bigger and ditto for my neighbor's unit. some measure between 1,000 and 1500. in the greater city context proposed 240 square foot single at moderate but in our humble middle income neighborhood it's almost five times the size of existing family structure, it's almost five times the size of the existing family structure on the property almost 4 times the size of my unit and double the size of many other homes. the height and massing is out of scale. beyond this a three-unit building can three middle income families move in. as a single dwelling only an affluent family can afford it. we need to create affordable

housing not replace it with housing that only caters to the rich. for personally, my privacy is a concern, the windows would be in direct with most of my living space. thanks for your time and considering my comments. >> georgia, this is b2c, demolition is not in these code sections, it's just the values of what should be retained. i will let the commission grapple with the heights sud, section 232e6 rules when demolition is allowed. for me i look at this as the problem with not adjusting the

demo caps since 2009. i also think i is questionable. most other projects in this sud or anywhere else in the city would be a true major alteration using or taking advantage of the values in the demo to avoid a cua and the greatest scrutiny that comes with the project. this is different because of the sud examine reality of the still existing building which was not found to be unfound. but there is still the underline principal that the cap should be adjusted. the first were not apparently completed until june 11, i requested them on june 6th, a project that was designated t t.d. months ago, even though the scope of the project is an

expansion and initially raised some questions for me if the project did cross the thresholds. but with the contract before you and the plans, it does cause all values. back in june 20 15, mr. zab can shez, raise thed the issue and said it was a problem examine made a doesing that the public should know sooner if project were beyond the scope. five years later, the ep o center of defacto demolition by staff that may be true in other neighbors as well. i don't think that's a problem, it's the commission's job to consider using their legislative authority per section 317 and i think it

should have happened already and once if not twice when these demo caps values were set. thank you very much. >> okay, last call for public comment. seeing none, public comment is now closed. this matter is before you. >> thank you i have a question to staff. both made reference to the rules on demolition, can you go into more detail as to your view as to how this project complies or does not comply. >> yeah, and share on the overhead, they have two barriers or threshold, one of them being in relation to the linear calculation, meaning your walls are being flown out. another one being in terms of

horizontal and the exterior framing of the building. in this case, it's both, because it's a building they're a limited amount, as though they will be surpassing both. >> and gabby just to add, it prohibits right out prohibitions, correct. >> correct. >> so what is being retained? >> so there is a rear wall that is getting retained in this case. >> and that takes it out of the prohibition that is in the bernle sud? >> correct. it maintains as alteration as oppose today complete demolition. >> thank you.

>> commission i will williams. >> i have a further question. obviously this is a technicality, right. if you leave that one wall, then you don't have to, i mean, you couldn't, you couldn't demo that structure without leaving a wall? so to offer differences, this is something that we have consulted the d.a. on multiple times. so when the byrnele heights was adopted in the 80s, we did not have demolition as a concept, that came later. and so the administrator understand or has interpreted

that demolition refers to demolition permit per the building code and that would be issued by dbi. we could approve a demolition permit. later there was demolition and concept of tantment to because you can get an alteration permit and but substantially remove large portions of a building. which is where the calculations of 50 percent of the front and rear walls and linear feet were 50 percent of the horizontal and vertical elements which i know is a point of frustration and often times that's where there is confusion.

in the case of byrnele heights, dbi is asking us to sign off on the demolition permit or alteration permit. >> so the alteration being that they leave something. >> if they leave enough of the building to qualify as an alteration permit, then technically it is permissible. obviously it needs authorization but. >> thank you. >> it's what our rules allow, if we don't like it, we should change the rules. it's a project, correct, can you come up? >> correct, it's code compliance project otherwise in terms of bernle heights and the district.

>> so it's a code compliant project tantment to demolition, major alteration and it does not violate the sud on prohibition. >> correct. >> i'm in favor of the project if we don't like the outcome then we need to change the rules, those are our rules at the moment and they developed in compliance with the rules. vice president? >> second. >> if there is nothing nothing else, there is a motion to approve. commissioner so. >> aye. >> commissioner williams? >> aye. >> commissioner braun. >> aye. >> commission imperial. >> aye. >> commissioner koppel. >> aye. >> moore. >> aye. >> president diamond. >> aye. >> so moved that motion passes unanimously 7-0 and concludes your hearing today.

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