>> the san francisco public utilities call to order. can we have roll call, please? >> paulson, here. rivera, here. ajami, here. stacey, here. you have a quorum. >> thank you, the san francisco public utilities commission acknowledges we acknowledge that we are on the unceded ancestral homeland of the ramaytush ohlone who are the original inhabitants of the san francisco peninsula. as the indigenous stewards of this land and in accordance with their traditions, the ramaytush ohlone have never ceded, lost nor forgotten their responsibilities as the caretakers of this place, as well as for all peoples who reside in their traditional territory. as guests, we recognize that we benefit from living and working on their traditional homeland. we wish to pay our respects by acknowledging the ancestors and relatives of the ramaytush community

and by affirming their sovereign rights as first peoples. so, can you call the first item? >> item 3 approval of commission meeting minutes. >> due to technical issues with the presentation of the minutes that are on the agenda, we need to continue the approval of both the march 14 and may 28 minutes to our next meeting. can we call the next item, please? >> it is may 14. >> may 14 and may 28. sorry if i mispropounced .

thank you. call item 4, please? >> item 4, general public comment. members of the public may address incommission on matters that are within the commission jurisdiction and not on the agenda. remote callers please raise your hand if you wish to comment. do we have any members present who wish to provide general public comment? >> please come to the microphone. welcome. >> commissioners, i want to pay careful attention to what i'm going to say. on june 5, [indiscernible] community-the controllers were there. the lead investigator was the lead [indiscernible] we broke down what is happening in the community, and

the controller for the controller paid attention to what we are going to say are going to have another meeting before todd leaves us the end of this month. todd knows a lot about the good, bad and ugly. we are set up because our children are dying, our women are dying, our elders are put in trailers, and the sfpuc is mandated to help the community, because the bayview hunter point has been adversely impacted . i don't have to go if into details, but we have people who are non shalaunt.

it is like [indiscernible] we cannot do that. and call ourselves we have a democracy and we do this and we can do that. we have to take care of our people and so when these members spoke to the controller, the two controllers, they understood for the first time that the controllers report to the people and not to the bully- >> thank you. anymore speakers in the room for public comment? seeing none, cirilo. >> moderator, any callers that have hands raised? >> commission secretary, there are two callers with hands raised. >> thank you. >> caller, your line has been unmuted. you have two minutes. >> good afternoon. my name is mary butterwick, a

resident of san francisco [audio cutting in and out] >> you broke up. please start again. >> good afternoon. my name is mary barwick, a resident of san francisco. recently the sacramento superior court ruled in favor of the state water board's 2018 bay delta plan [indiscernible] in light of the ruling i urge the commission not to appeal the ruling, but rather work with the state to insure [audio cutting in and out] flow standards adopted by the state. we already lost over five years of progress with the flow standards. the proposed tuolumne river

volunteer agreement can not achieve the objective of the bay delta plan. it is essentially a delay tactic by water agencies to avoid the difficult decisions regarding the reasonable use of water in a over-appropriated river system. they can produce more fish with less water, contrary to science [indiscernible] common sense. the salmon count in the tuolumne so critically low we are rinning running out of time to act. san francisco residents such as myself care deeply about the environment. we look to the commission to be responsible stewards of the river [audio cutting in and out] thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you caller, your time expired. caller, your line has been unmuted. you have two minutes. >> thank you and good afternoon.

this is peter dreckmyer, policy director for tuolumne river trust. i like you to reflect on the roll of the knhigz. commission. [indiscernible] provide direction to the sfpuc to make sure things are on the right track. i feel the general sentiment is if something is good for the environment it must be bad for the sfpuc. this is simply wrong and counter to values of san franciscans and bay area residents. most new commissioners start with very little background on the hetch hetchy system [indiscernible] we often disagree with staff not just on analysis and basic facts. this creates a dulim gnaw for commissioners or they simply ignore us. i believe this is disservice to constituents. if there is disagreement we should make every effort to acknowledge them and attempt to find common ground. the workshop attempted to do this and

commissioners get replaced and have to start all over. the public should be a resource not a burden. we were sidelines over a year until commissioner ajami restored public comment at the begunning of the agenda. two commissioners voted against the change. i find myself as a [indiscernible] unlike manyy colleagues who have given up on the sfpuc i continue to participate in comments not just because i hold out hope for the commission to heed my warning and take away the excuse, gosh, i didn't know this was a issue. 1970 palo alto and [indiscernible] higher then those for san francisco residents and because san francisco is using water revenues to fund city services rather then invest in water infrastructure upgrades and maintenance. wouldn't it be great if the commissioners at the time stepped up and initiated long-term capital improvement strategy.

-- >> thank you caller, your time expired. caller, your line is unmuted. you have two minutes. >> hello. i am cindy, a san francisco resident and property owner and also retired financial service professional who has deep experience in [audio cutting in and out] i am extremely concerned about the skyrocketer water and sewer rates, especially for low income families in san francisco. it is my understanding that the sfpuc budget will grow by 20 percent over the next two years. [indiscernible] $3 billion for total $11.8 billion. the puc already has 8 and $8 and a half billion in debt i expect will continue to grow. combined sf water and sewer rates are projected to increase by at

least 8 percent [indiscernible] so, when will these [audio cutting in and out] and commissioners need to take a deep dive on what exactly is driving all the spending. how can things be prevented getting worse? the rate payers can not expect to pay higher rates endlessly to finance the budget that don't seem to be planned out very well, given huge negative variances, which are included in those reports, the third quarter on capital improvement plan and for the water enterprise and hetch hetchy. you need to take [indiscernible] financial projections [indiscernible] the ever increasing water and sewer rates have been severe concerns of san franciscans. thank you for the opportunity to comment.

good afternoon. >> thank you caller. caller, your line is unmuted. you have two minutes. >> [indiscernible] beautiful day, francis mendoza from the philippines. i spoke in tugogic. i am a river person and fierce advocase for tuolumne river and almeda creek [indiscernible] live or work in ramaytush land and i'm here to acknowledge the native land we live and work and are play in, and also the native people still here today protecting our water rights. from the [indiscernible] to the sierra [indiscernible] central valley

and ramaytush oholone who land my family and i immigrated to in 1981, i'm here to amplify the voices as i work for california salmon [indiscernible] non profit organization based in the climate [indiscernible] hupa territory. reconsider the alternative water supply plan that effectively double water rates, decrease [indiscernible] double the sfpuc budget to more then $20 billion. i implore you to stop hoarding water and give back to the salmon. we are at extinction level numbers in river and ocean salmon fishes have been closed two years and alternative water supply plan only serve to exacerbate the dire situation as it is already.

[indiscernible] water is life. many thanks to you all. >> thank you caller. caller, your line is unmuted. you have two minutes. >> okay. can you guys hear me? i'm on a phone? >> we can hear you. >> thank you. sfpuc is painting a misleading picture regarding the necessity of extreme rationing on costly water supplies. there is a imminent need to reevaluate such [indiscernible] needed and explore realistic water strategies that do not burden consumer with high cost. in addition, current design drought plant exacerbate the delta and bay water quality.

more effective [indiscernible] reduce the need for expensive alternative supplies such as mentioned in the plan. decision makers must explore alternative approaches to more cost effective environmentally sustainable and responsive to the needs of the region. balancing water usage across years to improve the stability of water release practice is one way to do so. insure demand [indiscernible] based on realistic reasonable data, rather then projections and stop ridgedly [indiscernible] and releasing only the minimum required. wateren management strategy that concern environmental impact and industrial demand are necessary. adjusting [indiscernible] water usage during different conditions is

critical. [difficulty hearing speaker] thingz industry and residential conversation can also help produce overall water demand and need for extreme measures during droughts. implementing [indiscernible] technology can also optimize water usage with minimum waste. >> thank you caller. your time expired. commission secretary, there are no more callers who wish to be recognized. >> thank you. thank you callers. public comment is now closed. item 5, which report of the general manager, can you read 5a, please? >> 5a, water enterprise capital improvement program quarterly reports. >> may we have the slides, please? >> the first is water enterprise capital improvement presented by katie miller. >> thank you. >> good afternoon president paulson,

vice president rivera and commissioners. katie miller to present update of the water enterprise capital improvement program from january 1, march 31, 2024. these pie charts show the status of 38 projects in the program with total budget of $3.1 billion. the currently approved water enterprise cip has 25 regional projects and 13 local projects. about 1/3 are in planning and design with majority in bid and award or construction. 30 percent othf program budget has been spent to date. this table shows a summary of program expenditures and cost forecasts at the end of march for all active projects rolled up into categories. spending in the last two quarters has

been relatively steady with regional program responding about 6 million per [indiscernible] total expenditure of about $60 million. the currently approvered program includes the project budget and schedules adopted by commission last year in february 2023. the updated project budget and schedule you adopted in february 2024, are shown as forecasts in the quarterly reports. during the first quarter of fiscal year 24-25, in september 2024, the forecasts will be updated to be the new approved program budgets and schedules. this table shows there are cost variances forecasted in most categories of both programs for total cost variance of $633 million. this represents approximate 20

percent cost increase overall from the approved project program budget. all the cost rareiances are due to forecasted cost increases that were included in and adopted by you in february as part of the fiscal year 25-34 ten year capital plan. the majority of cost variances are due to further scope refinement during planning and design and post pandemic pricing increases for labor and materials. this pie chart shows current proved budget for 25 regional projects. in each phase of the program as of march 31. during the quarter three projects received construction notice to receive and one advertised for construction bids. three more projects are in the bid and award phase. together the seven projects

entering construction represent $350 million in project value, thus the program responding should significantly increase over the next year as construction is underway. now i'll share highlights for three regional projects. for the sunol water treatment plant ozone project, three construction bids received during the second quarter and lowest bid was 28 percent over engineer estimate of $183 million. staff performed outreach and concluded the high bid prices are consistent with bids received on other projects in california of complexly and duration. the trend is likely due to post pandemic uncertainty in material and label availability and pricing. because of the importance of the project and conclusion pricing isn't likely to decrease, last month staff recommended and requested your approval to award the contract to the lowest

bidder. the current funded is forecasted to be sufficient the first two years of the contract and additional funding will be requested in the next budget cycle. the alternative analysis for the dam improvement project completed in december. during the planning stage, evaluations determined that improvements are needed for the dam to meet seismic requirements and spill way to pass projethdesign flood. we opted to move forward with two alternatives that meet the project performance, representing the highest and lowest cost. the highest cost is replacement of the dam, spillway for cost of $273 million. the lowest alternative involved lower the reservoir level by 15 to 20 feet and thus allowing a seismic failure of the dam without causing

downstream flooding. this still requires a new spillway and improvement to the outlet works and thus has a estimated capital cost of $63 million. the proposed budget for the new 10 year capital plan commission adopted in february includes funding for the lower cost alternative. the southern sky line boulevard ridge trail extension issued notice to proceed in january and construction is under way. biological surveys perform and site clearance and tree removal started at designated staging areas. hopefully you can get a tour that while it is underway. it is pretty exciting. now we'll turn to the local program. this pie chart shows total current approved budget for the 13 local projects in each phase of the program

as of march 31 with total value of 1.5 $1.5 billion. the majority of the projects are in construction or multiple phases of construction. this is why spending is higher in the local program then the regional program with expentures of $24 million in each past two quarters. i'll share project highlights. the san francisco west side enhanced water recycling project is in construction with current forecasted cost variance increase of $17 million. three of four construction contracts are underway. two are nearing completion, and one contract is completed. for contract a, to construct the recycled water treatment facility at the ocean side plant, as you may recall from previous staff reports, corrosion from coastal air exposure resulted in failures for the pump motors

that resulted in the need to order and install new drives electrical panel and provide improvement to ventilation system mpt these changes account for majority of forecasted cost increase and schedule delay. during the quarter, the redesign of the speed drive systems and ventilation equipment was completed. potential change orders for this work issued to the contractor. negotiation are underway for the work as well as overall maintenance until the facility is completed. the college hill reservoir have outlet structure is making significant progress towards completion. construction of the outlet structure vault and piping and valves continue. instillation of ply wood roof was 50 percent complete and completed soon. the membrane roof coating system will be installed. the electrical service design approval

from pg&e was delayed. a portable generator may be needed for field testing if the permanent service is delayed. construction is anticipated to be completed this fall. and finally, the project to build new headquarters for san francisco water department staff at the 2000 marin site completed design development phase during the quarter and initiated work on the construction documents. the final design is anticipated to be completed later this year. the construction management general contractor conducted the first of several future outreach workshops for local contractors and workers to share about project opportunities that will be available in the upcoming construction bid packages. these workshops have been well attended especially at the southeast community center. the arts commission evaluated proposals and selected artists

walter--for public art instillation that will be a full size mural displayed along 2 walls of the garage facing cesar chavez and evan streets. this is the same artist that did the eagle sculpturet a the alameda watershed center. building site preparation and early construction are anticipated to start this fall. that concludes my presentation. i'm happy to answer any questions. >> thank you mrs. miller for that report and update. i have a couple comment s. first one is, we have gone through so many of these contracts and it is always painful when you have cost changes and new specks and new scope and as you called it, post pandemic financing. it is always painful to do it, but we look at that and i have trust

you guys look and report back to us as to what's happening. i think a good example was the [indiscernible] report, so thank you for that, because you gave us the 1 dollar to million dollar analysis and the different phases and so, that gives me as a commissioner, confidence you guys are really juggling a lot of numbers and asking the questions as needed, or do we scope it out and throw it away and start all over again. you are asking all the right questions so that was a good example of where you've been able to lower the costs, according to what you took here. thank you for the invite to go to another projeth. project. a lot of us said we want to get to sunol and still waiting for a invitation and time togo out and are i'm now to remind-i'm technically retired so i have little more

time, but let's get some of those previous requests in the queue before you start offering other ones. i don't say that in a mean way, just pointing out. this is ongoing report and i guess that's--there will be other questions and will not ask anymore, so thank s for the report and update. commissioner stacey. >> thank you and thank you for the very clear report. i had a couple questions just to make sure that i matched up the pieces of your presentation and my reading of the report correctly. on sunol valley the water treatment plant ozone project. in the report it notes and you noted in your presentation there is ongoing uncertainty in materials and equipment pricing and availability has resulted in increase priced to cover the

perceived risk. i am not sure how this kind of contract is set up, but if those materials do cost less, does the price of the contract go down? there is uncertainty and risk, i just wonder what happens if it rolls in our favor and we find the materials and equipment isn't as costly? >> it is a set price, however, the invoicing is done by actual items, so the invoices will be submitted based on the pricing that was put in the bids. it is anticipated they will use it all up, because they thought carefully about what things will cost, but we honor the pricing submitted at the time of the bids. >> okay. thank you. i also did have the opportunity to go out and visit some of the

southern skyline boulevard ridge trail extension. i love that area, and you note in the report that the increased cost are both the environmental procedures, the biological opinion changes, and i also understood that our sfpuc staff really has been very hands on in looking at the sort of engineered drawings and making sure they match up to the dirt and topography out there, and i just wanted to sort of add that to the conversation and appreciate staff who's out there really trying to make sure that-not the rubber meets the road, but where the dirt meets the trail, lining up well and properly and i understand that also adds to the cost. >> that shouldn't add to the cost. it should help control costs and it is

a wonderful observation and will pass on to the natural resources staff as well as the construction management staff. it should help us control the cost to the bid documents. >> okay. thank you. >> commissioner ajami. >> actually, i had a similar question to the first question that commissioner stacey had, so not going to repeat it. i want to say, i know we have gone through these numbers over and over and every time they come up it is a little bit of a heart ache, so--i don't want to repeat that again to go through it, but it is difficult to see that there is a 20 percent increase in overall cost. no matter how many times we see it, every time it is a reminder of what is going on. i would just also say, it also worries me, because this may not be the

end of it, so that's why i would like to make sure-couple thijs. things. one is, it is important to pick the right projects or right alternative projects. i don't want us to pick a poor option because it is cheaper, so that's the first thing. if this is going to cause in 10 years to go back and need to restart and redo and respend the money, i rather spend it now rather then the cost that needs to be done later. that's the first thing. i think every evaluation of the alternatives should be more on content rather then just price. the second thing is, i mention multiple times, i think as we are going through the projects we have not yet

awarded or hasn't gone fully through design, i would like to encourage you guys to encourage contractors and people --or the proposals that come through to be innovative ones, things that are more forward looking rather then repeating what we have done before. that is another thing. i rather invest in something or we all invest in something that will last a longer time and meet the purpose of today, rather then yesterday, and then yeah, so, those are my comments. i think it is just, again, it is hard to see, and you know, and it is sort of a big responsibility for us and i think it is our job to make sure we evaluate every one of the line items in addition to staff work to make sure these are done right and have all the right options in front of us and we are

making the right decision. thank you, i appreciate you coming and soldiering and presenting this to us and for your very detailed comments or presentation. >> thank you. can i make a follow-up remark? your first comment. >> yes. >> about increasing costs and are we just not picking the low r cost alturn tchb. ternative. we are paying a lot attention to life cycle cost where we include operation and maintenance and spend a lot of time with operation staff really understanding what that means and what the impact both on cost but on the resources and their time is, and that's where it is taking a fresh look at that for several many projects that are really impacting operation staff. the second is, some of the projects we broke up into phase approach where we do phase 1 and phase 2 and even with [indiscernible] may be a opportunity to

start with the lower cost alternative, but if we want to rebuild or expand the dam we can do that later, so build it in such a way in the short-term phase it fits with the long run. we are trying to be more thoughtful about cost reduction ways might be to phase the work. not to push it out to the future, but to try to do it more efficiently. >> i appreciate that, because that means we are making a smaller investment now but we can build on it, rather then revamp the whole thing. i appreciate the comment on life cycle. i think that is super important. it is just the cost today or long-term cost how we maintain and operate the system jz think that is important. one last thing i would say also mrs. miller, and i know this doesn't necessarily constantly show up in the reports you give, but i brought

this up many times. all these new infrastructure we are building needs to have data and infrastructure sort of launched on top to make sure we can operate and maintain them to best of quality. i am not hundred percent sure many of them have the cost already embedded in them, so i'm just sort of giving-making this comment and suggesting we should be more strategic with digitizing some of our or providing the right kind of data gathering and technology that is required to make sure these are operated in the most efficient and best way. again, this is super important. i really do think we need a line item for this, but in absence that line item, i like to make sure that as you guys are looking into these

projects or overseeing them to keep that in mind as a piece of the project. again, not thinking that we don't want to go to commission and ask for more money because it is bad, going back to the comment on life cycle, cost of the systems if you do it right it hopefully will reduce our operational and maintenance cost in the long run, so-one last thing i would say is, on the san francisco waste side enhanced water recycling project, it is still very much stays with me that design and the challenge we have with those items was kind of disappointing to be hahn est and also disappointing to staff. we had that conversation. it is important to make sure when we end up owning a facility or a

tool or a piece of item, or if it is delivered to us in the certain conditions and doesn't fully articulate how they need to be managed, there needs to be accountability at all sides, so i are i want to make sure this doesn't repeat itself again, because that was really a significant amount of money and something that could have been avoided if we had managed it differently. >> agreed. i will carry your comments back about invasion, about making sure we are collecting critical data so we can analyze and evaluate performance in the future and then also the lessens learned and we got lots of lessens learned about recycled water we are working on but will have more sessions

about. >> thank you. >> thank you mrs. miller for the extra comments including about the operation and maintenance look at when you are doing bids. commissioner rivera. >> thank you president paulson. thank you mrs. miller for great presentation. i are also wanted to mention on the water recycling project, reiterate a few things that commissioner ajami said. it was a little disappointing to see the issues we had there, but i also wanted to point out that, didn't we have a significant delay due to pg&e response initially? i'm concerned also about other capital projects that we are working on. are we still seeing that kind of or experiencing those delays? i have a couple connections in the trades and i still hearing that there are delays with pg&e and obviously the financial impact that is

significant and i'm just wondering, are we still dealing with that? >> yes, we are with recycled water. we resolved the pg&e delay at the pump station so moving forward but caused delay to completion of the pump station. at the treatment plant, it is delay working with them to analyze the capacity of the treatment plant with the recycled water facilities. it is taking a long time for their responsiveness. i know there are other issues for other projects we have and throughout the city. i'll ask egm robinson to comment on that. >> thank you. our connection to pg&e our work is dependent on it for power and temporary construction and permanent power. there are several projects that struggled and delays caused by it. what i say is that pg&e restructured

our connection and collaboration so they got a stronger identified rule we can [indiscernible] through the power enterprise and has a good relationship with them. [indiscernible] there are places where the relationship is improving, but remains a challenge. >> thank you. >> great. thanks for diving in on that question. so, commissioners, thank you so much. i am noting this is a quarterly report and i know that whether or not it is consent or on line item s, it is every single meeting we have, part of the duty as commissioners is to look at the contracts as they come through whether or not they are extensions or modification or new ones, so this is noted what we are-one thing we are charged to do, so thank you for the ongoing reports and we look

forward to this one at the next particular meeting. okay. so, let us-again. let's go to public comment. >> remote callers, please raise your hand if you wish to comment on item 5a. do we have members present who wish to comment on this item? >> commissioners, we are looking at everything materialistic and even why we are looking at all the projects, we don't mention mountain tunnel for calaveras [indiscernible] the water belong to the salmon and not once do

you all mention the salmon. they are in dire straights. you all care for materialistic things that are 20 percent, 30 percent, 40 percent and you all feel hurt about such things. if you continue doing what we do, we will have no water. if we continue to do what we do, we will have fires, huge fires. we already had them and we are not prepare d for it. they come year after year after year after year. you have a five year drought, we will have a five years of fires, which we are not prepared to handle. , because of our stupidity.

so, let's think of nature. let's think of the water. let's think of the [indiscernible] how we used it. thank you very much. >> thank you. anymore speakers in the room? if not, let's go to public comment. >> moderator, any callers that have hands raised? >> commission secretary, there are three callers with hands raised. >> thank you. >> caller, your line is unmuted . you have two minutes. >> thank you very much. can you hear me? >> yes. >> thank you. i like to first of all mention i am the president of the coalition for san francisco neighborhoods. i was present at your meeting on april 23, 2024. i like to bring to your attention the fact the bay area delta plan

does not require extreme rationing or expensive alternate water supplies as you are predicting. in the [indiscernible] presentation on april 23, use of water is way down at 55 gallons of water per day, gpd. in the sfpuc- >> this is not pertinent to item 5a. >> talking about the water enterprise capital improvement report. so- >> i see. >> can we move to the next caller? thank you. thank you caller, but this is not about 5a. >> thank you caller. caller, your line is unmuted. you have two minutes.

>> [indiscernible] my home in golden gate heights over looks the ocean. thank you commissioners for your service. [difficulty hearing speaker] obligation to the world to use what we have. we have a obligation to the people who's land we stole [indiscernible] i'm native california from [indiscernible] it is interesting how europeans called california [indiscernible] set the standard in environmental stewardship. of course i'm concerned about the tuolumne river and impact of design drought that seems to create [indiscernible] we are all on stolen land. none of the treaties that relate to the bay area were in washington and stuck in drawers and ignored and continue to

steal. >> i'm not sure-- >> no running water, 10 gallons a day. i got down to 12 gallons. >> caller, if we can-sorry to-thank you for caller but this isn't pertinent to 5a. i am asking if the folks with sfgovtv or who ever is doing the screening, make sure you are clear that what item we are asking for public comment on so we stay on track. thank you. so, next caller, please. sorry. >> caller, your line is unmuted. you have two minutes. >> thank you. peter dreckmyer, tuolumne river trust. we on the phone can hear clearly, but speakers are choppy, including when we are speaking we hear a lot of background noise and notice it before.

i hope you can hear us okay and maybe someone can take a look at that. >> we can hear you. >> perfect. thank you. regarding 5a, i think the staff presentation was excellent and i probably don't say it often enough, but the sfpuc has a lot of very talented staff, including mrs. miller, so i appreciate the good information here. i want to call out slide 3, which is the program cost summary, and the cost variances for the combined regional local is $633 million. the approved budget just over 3 billion and current forecasted cost is just over $3.7 billion, and that's always the case that there are cost over-runs and things are more expensive. if you look at item 10g, you will see

the same thing. i want you to take this into consideration with the next item on the alternative water supply that things are going to cost a lot more then projected and that's the big impact on the budget. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you caller. there are no more callers who wish to be recognized. >> thank you. >> thank you callers. public comment is now closed. thank you. can we read item 5b? >> 5b, annual alternative water supply program report. >> thank you. >> munesia, alternative water supply program. i have slides for you today talking about the alternative water supply program. as you know, this program has been ongoing for a number of years and we just submitted a annual progress report today and i will be discussing

the program and the progress. so, just to provide some context on the reporting that we've been doing, this program started in 2019 late 2019 and we have been reporting out quarterly from the inception of the program until june 2023. at which time, we also put out a draft of the alternative water supply plan and the intention of the progress report quarterly report up until that time was to give the commission and public a sense of the progress happening both on the programmatic planning as well as specific project planning that lead to the development of alternative water supply finalized in february and submit ted to commission february this year. that is really intended to be a roadmap for the whole program and talks about how we got to where we are, what we are

planning, and how the projects fit into that. it is over arching roadmap for the program. leading from there now we have gone from quarterly reports to annual reports. we are going to be providing these annual progress reports every year starting with this first one, and it really doesn't rehash all of what is in the alternative water supply plan, just summarize that information. that is still our core document for now and we focus on reporting on the progress of individual projects so that is what we are doing going forward. we intend to come back and talk about the water supply plan. there is a great deal of uncertainty and we know that this isn't gist a final plan that is going to guide us through the future, we need to come back and revisit the fundamentals, so as we look forward, we know there is a need to do that in a few years.

in the mean time we will report on a progress on a annual basis so that is what i'll talk about today. i like to talk from the san francisco retail perspective, of course we are managing stewards of the system, as well as retail water providers and as we think alternative water supply it is important to remember there are a number of things we are doing in san francisco and when we think about alternative water supply, it is after all those things we continue to do and continue to invest in, so i want to point out a few things on this slide. the conversation program, something we invested in and continue to invest in over the last 30 years, is responsible for our low per capita in san francisco. we also though continue looking at other things like our leak alert program and earlier this year you received a report on a pacific institute study that did a

complete review of all our conversation and future water supply planning and made a series of recommendations which we are now reviewing and implementing. we already begun implementing some of those, so that is work ongoing and will continue to be on pp going and always been a hallmark of our program in water supply planning. in addition to that, there's ground water expansion. we have constructed both in san francisco and outside san francisco, but here i focus on san francisco, ground water expansion program and that is continuing to grow towards its goal of ultimately providing 4 million gallons per day of water supply in san francisco. you heard from katie about the west side enhanced recycled water project. the recycled water centralized recycled water, another feature that will take care oof more demands, large scale irrigation on the west sides of san francisco. in addition, we have on-site

water reuse that addresses the smaller demand s of new development in buildings on the east side of san francisco. is a very successful program and continuing. and, that's not it, because we are always looking at future solutions. we have tested a number of invasions, including water generation and what is feasible in terms of efficient point of view. our first foremost-our charge is do what we can with what we have, and that is something that even as we think about future alternative water supplies we are not forgetting and that is always going to be something we continue to invest in. now, zooming out a little bit and thinking as the manager and steward of regional water system, wholesale and retail customers we serve, as we look out in the future with regulations and are climate change, what do we expect water availability to be in dry

years and how frequent with those dry years be, and so the chart on the left talks about what our modeling shows future water supply availability to be and this is really detailed in the alternative water supply plan, how we got there, but that's how we derive the number, 152, the bottom line number on the left. we come to that as a dry year water supply availability from our existing regional water system with the project that katie described fully implemented. then, we take that number as a starting point and compare to future demands and obligations. on the right, you can see that starting point is that 152 mgd and on the left to future potential existing and potential future obligations, that means the obligations we have

with wholesale customer contracts and retail allocation, plus a potential 9 mgd that is still is a decision to be made by the commission by december 20dwaith. 2028. we look at that so you have the information you need to make a decision in the furcher and we come out looking at supply versus future obligations and a gap of up to 122 million gallons per day. on the right side, you see the same calculation with demands and these are forecasted demands based on retail demands as presented in the water management plan and update since then, as well as the annual survey bosca does on future purchase request from wholesale customers and that gap shows to be 92 million gallons per day. we agree there is a lot of uncertainty and why we need to keep monitoring these, but that is also why the

program, the alternative water supply program is focused on planning for obligations and thinking about moving towards construction for based on demands. based on 92 mgd number. so, the alternative water supply plan laid out all these things and made recommend aizs that fall in employee broad categories. they are how we fill this gap that we identified of $92 million gallon per day? how do we avoid the gap getting bigger? and how do we reduce the size of the gap? we want to attack it from all angles. the water supply projects is one piece. the series of-there are 15 recommendation in the water supply plan. these on the first slide represent recommendation associated with the alternative water supply projeths and how we talk about filling that

gap. these are the projects currently in planning. the first two projects are the ones we recommended in the alternative water supply plan for implementation, which means that there are funds in the 10 year capital improvement plan for construction included in these first two projects. the next three projects or purifyed water plan as a whole, we have not recommended these projects to move to implementation yet. they are still early in planning. we are-we have recommended in the alternative water supply plan we take those to 10 percent design and ceqa so we can come back with better information. we stopped there,x that is whether the funding that is in the 10 year cip, so we can stop there and come back with recommendations. they may be positive, may not be. there may be other alternative s we look at in the mean timeism i mentioned there are a couple other

categories here. these are projects that have already been undergone and they need additional funds to keep them moving forward. this is to avoid having the gap get bigger and you will see projects particular. ground water, alameda creek, local land regional ground water and some planning work for purifyed water. then there is the final category, which is how to reduce the gap. the first one on here is continue reporting progress on the proposed voluntarily agreement or what is referred to as the agreement for healthy reserves and landscapes and that is something that as you know, relates to the bay delta plan amendment and could make a big difference on what that final gap is, what that water supply availability could be, so that is something we need to keep an eye on. as well as, i mentioned coming

back with reviewing the fundamentals on water supply plan. i want to spend a moment on the next two. i think they are very important. they are things the commission and public asked about. the first is demands. we know that there is uncertainty with demand and that is a big part how we get to the water supply gap. we have committed through recommendation and alternative water supply plan to revisit our demands thinking about the economy model we have, how we can get better information and have at least one, possibly two additional demand scenarios so looking at a range of possible futures, not just one future and think that is really important. that is work that will take time. we want to be thoughtful doing it. it is going to inform the urban water management plan for 2025 in addition to the work we are doing, so that is something we will be reporting on as we

get going, but we already rolled up our sleeves and looking at the model to think how we can do that. that will happen over the coming year. the last one is really a thinking about a partnership with bosca and how we incentivize all our wholesale customers also to do more local projecktds. projects. there are a number of projects that don't happen because of lack of funding or resources. show to bridge that gap so together we reduce the water supply needs from the regional water system. that is the goal and we have planned meetings with bosca to engage how to do that to serve all our customers. so, now i will focus back on the projects that are the alternative water supply project to help fill the gap. those are the ones in these progress reports we are focusing on in reporting

what progress we are making on those projects. these six projects as you heard me say before are geographically distributed throughout the service area, so that we can help improve reliability throughout the service area. and they involve accept for one, involve very complex partnerships with external agencies. you can see here on this slide, how far that takes us in filling the gap. ypt i want to draw your attention to the first set of projects, the colored bars. those are it the projects in the purple and yellow that have construction dollars included in the 10 year capital improvement program and ones in different shades of blue are projects that have only planening money .

i will point out the green shaded bar is the rationing we think we could achieve if these projects are implemented. the next group or next brown shaded area is represents cal avas which has been differed. the thinking there is we want to continue to see how all these variabilities from demand to supply availability pan out. see if there is a need for that praujsect. project. that is expensive project from the dam standpoint and conveyance so that is not funded. you can see without that project, even with that project there is still a significant gap at this time and something we'll continue to monitor. even within the blue zone there is significant amount of

uncertainty so that is the planning world we are in. the timeline of these projects [indiscernible] the first 2 that have construction dollar associated could be online as early as 2030. likely a year or 2 from that. the next group of projects 2038-2040 timeline. calaveas doesabout have a date. to give a financial update where we are with these projects and the whole program, to date, the program since inception in 2019 has spent $12.4 million. we keep detailed records of the spending and where and how we do that, but $12.4 million across the board so far, and again, we will come back to the commission as we have big

funding decisions associated with any of the projects, including those that have been approved for construction dollars in the cip. that's it. happy to take any questions. >> that was a big map and good update. let's start, commissioner stacey. >> thank you and thank you for the presentation and to the commission for scheduling the hearing. i have a number of comments. bear with me. first though, i really can't commend highly enough the clarity and organization of the report you published in february. it was well written, well organized and clearly reflect the amount of research and analysis and expertise that has gone into thinking bet the alternative water supply. i think you all are exploring a whole new world and that it is a

creative and constantly evolving endeavor and i really appreciate that. i also appreciate the work and input of bawsca, tuolumne river trust. i know that it is evolving process and really important to get input from all the different stakeholders and people interested in the water system. alternative water supply is very important to me. i see as a plan for a uncertain future that is only going to become more uncertain can climate change, and i also have a hope that as we look at alternative water supply that we look for environmental benefits and maybe the synergy.

i also want to emphasize the reports note that this is a constantly evolving report. as you said, it was a roadmap and you will respond to information as you get it. even demand scenarios effect the planning we do. so, i just want to have a few comments on some of the specific projects. i think the on-site conservation measures and-i think as techcology evolve and cost change, hopefully come down as more and more consumers are interested in those technologies that those will also continue to expand. on the [indiscernible]

reservoir, at our last meeting and in the update, i think you have done a good job of trying to set reasonable expectations in a very complicated saichuation. situation. i know all water agencies in the area will look for water in dry years so establishing clear priorities and clear procedures is very important without over subscripeing the supply, and i remember that and i know the puc, you already started to reevaluate that a bit. i also-i know some of the water supply may end up being water transfers and i think as just a intuitive matter, a water transfer in dry year could be difficult, since water agencies are likely to experience the same dry year, so i do have concern about over relying on potential dry year transfers.

there are also water treatment, water supply, water conveyance, specious isues that come up, so i know it is a complicated and ongoing process. i was also very interested in acknowledgment in the report and update that some of the components of los v [indiscernible] are likely to have independent value so think it is important to explore those. on the cal aveas. i'm not enthusiastic expanding. i know it was built for expansion. i think all are conveyance and supply issues looking at more surface water, maybe from the tuolumne river and i am just concerned that it doesn't feel very alternative water supply to me,

but i also acknowledge that it is likely that we are going to have to figure out more storage, especially in the face of climate change. we are going to have wetter wet years and more dryer dry years, maybe longer periods of dry years, but i think it is a huge project that is expensive and complicated and i really want us to think hard about it. and i also want to look at other options for storage. i do not want us to back off our ground water projects. i think there may be other ways to store water, whether ground water basins, query lakes or water basins out there we should look at and so, i just would like to explore those other ways

of storing water before we think expanding calaveas. recycled and purifyed water programs, i support those programs and expansion where possible. i know they are expensive and complicated. i really think all our irrigation water ought to be recycled and i know we are moving in that direction and we don't necessarily in san francisco anyway have a big demand for irrigation, so we also should look at purifyed water. okay, i'm getting there. finally, i really want to talk about recycled water. the alternative water supply report states at the outset, it does not discuss in city distribution system, so i assume that is why recycling at the south plant and ocean side plant are

not discussed and i'll easily acknowledge, i'm not a expert. we have incredible expertatize on our staff and with our consultants who know way more then i do about recycled water and maybe you can tell me i'm crazy, but it is hard for me to think about alternative water supply without thinking about that element of recycling. i think that it is our most reliable source of water. we will always have wastewater, and so i think is important to think about how do we put that to better use. how do we as you said, do more with less or do more without necessarily more water. i also hope that there may well be a environmental tie-in with our wastewater water quality issues that we are going to have to address water quality in the bay. we are already addressing it and at the

ocean side and i'm hopeful that recycled water could be part that solution. so, the next question i ask myself is, could san francisco develop a recycling program at the southeast plant and ocean side plant and could we share those wonderful resources with our wholesale customers, whether they are wholesale customers on the east side from the southeast plant, or the west side ground water basin from the ocean side treatment plant. i know these are probably big crazy ideas, but i just really wanted to think hard about recycling and i like to think about if there are ways of using that recycled water for not only san francisco, but our wholesale customers. and maybe it is crazy to think

about building pipelines to brisbane, san bruno and south san francisco to the east and to the neighbors on the west, but we are also talking about a lot of conveyance construction for los [indiscernible] it doesn't seem it is that much more far-fetched to think bet it for recycling. and i acknowledge all the difficulties of recycling. i know it is expensive. i know the by-products don't magically disappear so we still have to figure how to deal with those by-products and the waste itself. i also know that recycling right now has to be year round, because of the technology. it is more then we need. if we look just for water in dry years, the idea we have to keep the

recycling plant going all the time is maybe more then we need and i appreciate that you and staff have already had contact with the industry to talk to them about developing technology membranes that dont have to be wet all the time or don't have to operate all the time. there are hopefully developing and creative and expert scientists and research and development out there that will improve the way we can use recycling. i already spoke about the conveyance issues, but i think a couple other projects have equally complicated conveyance ishuse. issues. i also know we have space constraints at southeast plant and ocean side and that is something we have to deal with, but i continue to hope that the

technology will evolve, that maybe there will be ways of reducing the amount of space necessary for recycling, so that this might be something that we can deal with more realistically in the future. finally, on the beauty of hetch hetchy water and the love of hetchy hetchy water and water quality of it, i know it will be a more difficult sell to have people be excited about purifyed water, but i think our water quality, the nature of our water is going to change anyway when we bring in water from other sources like the water we may bring in from los vaceros and other water transfers. i don't see any of these issues as

being absolute show-stoppers, but maybe you already studied this 7 ways and can tell me these are all asked and answered questions, but i really-it is really hard for me to think about alternative water supply without thinking about recycling and it isn't in the report, but i really don't want us to let go that and i like to know more about staff thinking and puc thinking on recycling at the southeast plant or ocean side treatment plant. i guess the last thing i will say is that i appreciate that you are recommending that we get a purifyed water expert on-board. it may also be possible we have to have other operational staff. i think you acknowledged that both in the report and in the update that ground water is very different

type of skill then surface water, but i hope that we will be flexible and agile enough to do all those things in the future. and i think that's it for now and thank you for bearing with me commission and staff and i may have comments after we hear from the public and other commissioners, but i so appreciate and value the work that you all have been doing oen the alternative water supply. i think is really important. >> thank you commissioner stacey. i approximate that. appreciate that. i will make a brief comment-- -i have taken notes. i have your comments, but a lot of what you said is or the things we are thinking about, so that is good news. quickly on transfers, we recognize that transfers is not a long-term solution. there is increasing competition for transfrs so we are simultaneously

looking at investing in things like purifyed water as long-term solution. you will get a report before we recommend any further action with los vercaros and how our thinking is evolving. we agree with a lot of things you said and as i noted in my comments we differed that project because we dont think the time is right now. if we still need that project it is something we may need to revisit, but for now it isn't something we are continuing to pursue in planning. on purifyed water, you note there are majority of projects are purifyed water projects. certainly we agree that that is what the future is for non-potable and potable. potable doesn't require new purple pipe

and new infrastructure so it make as lot of sense, indirect and direct potable reuse make a lot of sense. your point about exploring further, san francisco purifyed water project and program is noted. right now we have taken the system for alternative water supply and that's why that project is not detailed further in the report. that doesn't mean we are not working on it u we are working very hard. we are studying southeast plant now looking at the preliminary design, the plans, where the water can go, including outside san francisco, but as you know, our system runs east to west, so it ends in san francisco. we would have to build new pipe or run the pipe a different way, but those are among the things we are evaluating. can we deliver water outside san francisco and ultimately where

does the accounting land in terms of how this water gets distributed and who benefits from the water supply. o & m, another thing you mentioned and mrs. miller before me, really important thing to focus on. we started before the alternative water supply completed, developing a cost model. we are still working on that because we know we need to get it right and big focus that now is looking at o & m costs and not just looking theoretically, but comparing that to the projects we have actually built in san francisco and from the sfpuc and how did those cost compare to do reality checks on numbers and making sure we use consistent assumptions. those are ongoing and ayou will hear more reports. purifyed in san francisco you will hear more about that as well and in

addition to technical feasibility study, i agree that outreach is really what drives the success of a number of projects happening in california. the good news we are not alone. all over california and now all over the world, these projects are happening and we can leverage the good work others are doing before us and learn from them and best practices, so we are working very closely with other utilities, not just here in the bay area with external partners but everywhere looking what works and what doesn't and what can be applied in our community and what can't. thank you. >> thank you for your comments. i knew you all are looking hard at recycling, it is just hard to separate it from the alternative water supply report, but i fully acknowledge the expertise and thoroughness you look at all the issues and we are already

looking at recycled water. >> thank you. >> commissioner ajami. >> thank you for the presentation. that was excellent. couple comments. first of all, i want to acknowledge the amount of water you saved with leak protection. i a calculation amount of water, thousand, 2 thousand households use a year, so that is a quit significant amount of water. that's fantastic. i also appreciated the comments provided by pacific institute and the fath you are looking into it. i would say looking closely at that report, i came out thinking i think they also acknowledge they have done a lot of important work that had to be done and the comments are super valuable and not necessarily

groundbreaking, and that's--i knew and i have known a lot of the work you and the rest of the team has been working so not a surprise for me, but it is obviously very good to see some external groups looking at what we do and provide feedback. feedback is always [indiscernible] we love to hear it. i also appreciate the comment around demand aumgz. aumgz. option. i think is important to have a better handle with what is going on with demand. i will go down demand discussion more, because i think that's super important. so, obviously bottom line, demand is going to drive our supply, right? it is cornerstone of watt we need to do. if we have demand we have now,

we will be totally different in a different situation, versus what we anticipate or expect to have. obviously reliability is important and also important to make sure we doned over-size our system and invest in tons of different alternative supplies then without having customers for them. the challenge of this actually comes down to the obligation we have. we have all these obligations with the water agencies which are part and those are one way. we are obligated to provide water, but not obligated to buy the water from us. that makes this whole equation very difficult, because at any given time they can call on what they want and any given moment we have to have

the water available in reserve. i think this discussion needs to somehow happen in the more meaningful way with our bawsca partners. i mentioned this to you, spoken to mr. ritchie and spoken to mrs. [indiscernible] about this as well, i think it is important for us to have a more sort of fundamental conversation with the team and see how we can make sure the demand levels are aligned with where everybody's needs to be, when it comes to demand manageage. maneningment manage. the dollars are much better spnt if they are spent in reducing demand or baseline, versus building water supply they might not want to take. i appreciate having that in the table and i want to acknowledge that

i appreciate those discussions happening and they are very important, and actually i encourage mr. dreckmyer, who is-i appreciate his calls and comments, to maybe partner with us and see if he can help to work with bawsca and maybe implement. eme polk talking on site reuse, talking about reducing baseline. fundamentally reducing it and that can be a much more meaningful discussion rather then depends on a model and hoping a model is factual at some point. i say this as a [indiscernible] who has done modeling 20 years. i think another piece that and angle of this is, i know you have already talked

about all this, i want to reemphasize because i think this is a opportunity for have [indiscernible] i think alternatively every project we build will add to cost of service we provide to people. we can build all the recycled plants in the world, that isn't going to be cheap. so, how can we make sure this doesn't end up making our water unaffordable and unaccessible for many people? and then, at the end of the day, it empath cost of service in a way that we might look back and see do we need to reduce the operation and maintenance cost and let things go? these are serious conversations happening. they are not just imaginary. this is what can make and break your utility, so it is very

important. so, i think thinking in a more logical way i think demands is super important . our obligation contracts are very important and then comes down to the whole bottom line of cost of all the alternatives and who pays for them and take them and are they meaningful or not. at the same time also, a lot of these solutions that we are looking into are not going to be-to have a lower carbon cost. it is a very all of them have a very seriously empath the carbon footprint and energy footprint, so this is also very important as we do the calculations. another thing is, we have linear water system. we send hetch hetchy water to homes and people flush that water,

pressure water down the toilet while the fish and ecosystem is hurting for not having enough water. so, i think i absolutely commend our team. i wasn't here at the time but following what you and your team were doing and the whole on site reuse is going to be the future. it is going to be the future at every scale, and the more we can do that, the more we can separate the amount of water we use or water we use for alternative purposes, the less we empath the ecosystem, the less empath our water supply, the less we have carbon footprint. so, i appreciate your comment about system level thinking, which is i commend and really really want to see more and more that happening. some people might think these are very niche solutions but realty is, i worked with a lot of people outside this space

around water and there are technologies now that people put in the shower and shower water is used for flushing toilets so these are not conceptual solutions down the pipeline, people are selling technologies. it is important to encourage those retrofits as we move forward. i think again, really appreciate this. really appreciate this conversation. i are want to make sure we focus on demand as much as we can. again, reemphasizing-i dopt want to make our water super expensive and unaffordable for our people and make sure this-we pick environmentally smart solutions. making sure we have demand levels that requires us to make-take less from our watershed and do more with the water we take. that i think should be the

fundamental decision we make with what the alternative water supply needs to look like. of course, i think on the storage, i think i know everybody is concerned about storage. i think the challenge of having super wet years brings a lot of water and having continuous dry years back to back has made the state and many water agencies and the fath we are losing our snow pack made state and very many water agencies really concerned around what should we do. obviously nature based solution are top of the ash lawn. echelon. we need to store water where we can. if we can build less conveyance, less-move water less around from watershed to watershed it is much better solution for us.

i think it is important to think about those projects in a more strategic way and see if there are alternatives. acknowledging many of this was mentioned in your report and i know you guys are working on a lot of this, but also i want to make sure you and your team know we are here to support you, to make decisions that we all can stand by them, 20, 30, 50 years from now and make sure we look back and say, that was the right decision. look at us with on site reuse, that was the right decision. i know a lot of people-i see in the news all the time all the companies benefiting from that policy. the reality, if you the team had not put the policies in place and did not work with the board of

supervisors to make those implementable, we would not be here. now we are not just crazy people who decided to do this, we are leading this efforts. i like for us, for you guys to constantly be on that edge of leading the future or making the future happen, rather then repeating what we have done before. thank you. >> thank you for your comments. >> thank you. couple quick comments. i know that probably 150 years ago or something people said when there were not many people out here, people said there isn't enough water and a rot lot of people started in their crazy ways whether funded or not funded or private enterprise decided the only things work out here with not having enough water is start moving water and that seems to what is happening every since. about four years ago i got a

call and said commissioner paulson, we are opening the cal verasdam and remodeled and told them i couldn't go. i was commissioner for like four hours and i jumped in the car and wonderful day out at calaveras. they said we have this wonderful dam and there is room for more if you do this that and whatever. it was a very eye opening day and here we are, 4, 5 years later and sitting here and listening to a very wonderful, the map is here of alternative water report so thank you for putting on the agenda and looking forward to continues discussion because it does fulfill what is needed. what are we going to do? we don't have enough water, still clear and all about moving around from the rivers and whatever and we still dealing with that today, even

with new technology. the dam is on the table but not on the table, so i just want to say that i am really appreciative that there is dedication to this alternative water supply and everything is on the table because it needs to be. theficiencies are important. everything is important. costs are important. the environmental issues about the carbon footprint and whatever else, all that stuff is extremely important and we are committed to being as clean as we can, but having everything on the table and making sure that we find more water, store more water, divert more water and be as efficient with what we dont have enough water, period, everybody is fighting over it, this program we keep on it and cutter edge so thank you and staff for continuing to think about this and move it, because it really is the bones of how we will move forward. i want to say thank you for

that report. commissioners, any other comments? do you want to have another-anything else to say? >> thank you. >> thank you. let's open up to public comment. >> remote callers, raise your hand if you wish to comment on 5b. any members of the public present who wish to provide comment on this item? >> commissioners, we once had 4 large [indiscernible] from the hetch hetchy, we now have three. i had mentioned many times here, that we need real-time study of our pipes and how many millions of gallons of water are leeching and i never

heard that from you commissioners. the water system improvement project was $4.6 billion, so why dont we visit the pipes? we want to know how many were laid and we want to know about the leakage. now, in all the discussion we have 41 million square feet vacant commercial space in the financial district. don't seem to have a clue. i think okay, that's something that is happening, but we want to know how much less water is being used. so, what you all don't seem to understand-i think it is from

being educated on issues of how what is water and what is whatever to do a needs assessment. it very boring you know? somebody giving a presentation and really-you go to the empirical data and you fail. thank you very much. >> moderator, any callers with hands raised? >> commission secretary, there are 9 callers with hands raised. >> thank you. >> caller, your line is unmuted. you have two minutes. >> okay, thank you. my name is martin and i heard many good ideas in the presentation and great discussion on the agenda item, so thank you for that.

i continue to be deeply concerned about the overall health of the tuolumne river stemming from the need for adequate flow. the alternative water supply plan adds to that concern. what i heard is the plan suggests sfpuc might need to develop more then 92 mgd alternative supply at $17 billion with downstream effect including doubleling of water rates and capital spending that drive increases over the years. the plan relies on water demand, which was discussed, which judging from the past have not been even close to accurate in terms of use. the other is design drought which is shown to be highly unlikely to occur. taken together the sfpuc financial disaster that may take decades

to play out. i hope the commissioners will hold staff to highest standards of modeling analytics needed to properly address the assumptions and the health of the tuolumne. to date the public has not seen analysis and therefore unaware of theing maitude of the flow impact and what they face as rate payersism every assumption in the plan needs to be challenged and subjected to sensitivity analysis that allow decision makers to get close to what is optmal. every [indiscernible] please make sure the sensitivity analysis occurs. thank you again for your time and for your service. >> that thank you caller. caller, your line is unmuted. you have two minutes. >> commissioner rivera is excused. >> hello? can you hear us?

>> yes, please proceed. >> thank you commissioners for inviting public testimony on the alternative water supply program. my name is david and live in palo alto and drink this water. please join me looming out for a moment. we live in extraordinary times. human population far above earth capacity will peak and decline to well below current levels within a few decades. if we build infrastructure and population shrinks we will appropriate scarce resources to [indiscernible] the cost of impoverishing the hundreds of billions of descendants who live later. more responsible is generate alternative water supply reducing the current near term future use so

we may rely on existing infrastructure and avoid stealing from our children and theirs and theirs and theirs. the staff has yet to outline how this might be possible. instead using extreme assumptions to protect weather and population they assembled costly measures that result in large increase in water rates and threaten the solvency. the south bay purifyed water project is without clear financing and may run afoul of proposition 218. i respectfully request you ask to provide alternative space on full range of realistic weather and population assumptions and explores the possibility of achieving alternative supply goals through conservation. please also ask for detailed plan for financing the south bay purifyed water

project [indiscernible] >> thank you caller. your time exspired. ayour line is unmuted. you have two minutes. >> good afternoon commissioners. nicole. i appreciate the update on the important alternative water supply plan and evidence by the commissioner comments this is a critically important area. as the agency that represents wholesale customers who purchase 2/3 of [indiscernible] interested in and supportive of the alternative water supply planning work. we are actively engaged and committed to continuing that engagement, including as we discuss improvement to demand projection for our planning process and yours making sure those are consistent and approved, and also discussing the potential for new

partnerships with bawsca and member agencies. actively engage the local stakeholders including the tuolumne river trust, sierra club in regional planning work and projection update and strategy 2050 work. one thing i want to say is that the bawsca chair invited the puc staff to give a presentation to the board on the alternative water supply plan at the july meeting. i know the board is extremely interested as well as like this commission and i look forward to conversations as well. thank you very much. >> thank you caller. the line is unmuted. you have two minutes. >> my name is [indiscernible] what a great discussion. thank you for your service. three points. commissioners brought so much information to the discussion

[indiscernible] i think it reflects the [indiscernible] [difficulty hearing speaker due to audio quality] which really isn't the case, it is planned for obligations build for affordability under uncertainty and that is the challenge and [indiscernible] point two, i think an obligation i think bawsca doesn't is a clue how much it will cost in rates if we implement all the alternative water supply required to meet the obligations. i think member agency saw what the cost was and risk of what happens if that supply isn't used, we would wake people up and very quickly be a wonderful baseline for saying, why dont we implement other solutions like

on-site reuse. adding more financial information what rate impacts would be would be huge and i guess me third last comment, it is my pleasure and honor to help with bawsca agencies including pala alto on pursuing more of this including how remarkable costs will be. thank you. >> thank you caller. caller, your line is unmuted. you have two minutes. >> commissioners, my name is abigail black. i am an 11 year resident of san francisco and a policy communication specialist for state of california salmon a non profit dedicated to policy change and community advocacy for northern california salmon and fish dependent people. we support the fisheries and water protection work of local communities and advocate for effective policy change for clean water,

restored fisheries and vibrant communities. thank you for taking the time to present on and discuss alternative water supply. alternative water supplies are important when needed and can be been beneficial to the environment but only if they offset diversion from the river and allow more water to flow freely. with projects such as bay delta plan, proposed bay delta and tunnel reservoir and future projects that could be fast-tracked through the volunteer agreement process, we have concern regarding adequate flow for fish including salmon which are going extink and the people who rely on the fisheries. the alternative water supply plan should include alternative scenarios that are more realistic drought planning horizon and reasonable demand projections with range of scenarios, not just high end.

staff should produce a sensitivity analysis to explore the quantity of expensive alternative water supply that might be needed. in sum, the sfpuc should be accountable for adequate management of water resources in a way that consider major upcoming proposed projects as well as climate change impacts and impacts to ground water and water quality and in a way that allows water to flow more freely for habitat to fisheries and people who depend on themism . thank you for your time. >> thank you caller. your time expired. caller, your line is unmuted. you have two minutes. >> good afternoon. my name is mary butterwick, a resident of san francisco. i am retired on fixed income and substantial rate hikes are a concern for me. i do not believe rate payers

should have to invest in very expensive alternative water supplies that will not be needed. it is my understanding it may involve investment of $17-25 billion which will double the water and presumably the water rate. now is the time for the commission to reassess the extremely conservative 8.5 year design drought. the primary tool sfpuc uses for managing flow release on the tuolumne river. this policy is particularly damaging to the river environment during dry period where aquatic life needs adequate flow the most. once again, i urge the commission to reduce the length of design drought by one year, apply reasonable demand projections and present the results to the public. it is my understanding that these actions would reduce the amount

of alternative water supply needed more then 2/3. hopefully this reassessment would facilitate meaningful dialogue on in-stream flows needed to restore and are maintain a sustainable population of salmon in the tuolumne river. alternative water supplies are important when truly needed. they can also be beneficial to the environment, but only when they off-set diversion from the tuolumne and allow more water to flow freely. this approach is consistent with the resolution adopted by the commission on june 23, 2020. it is unclear that environmental benefits were much of a consideration-- >> thank you caller. your time expired. caller, yoir your line is unmuted. you have two minutes. >> afternoon commissioners. thank you for the opportunity to comment today.

[indiscernible] i want to start [difficulty hearing speaker due to audio quality] the plan isn't based on projections, but population decrease and water demand decrease trickling [indiscernible] sfpuc will be able to manage drought and [indiscernible] between 17 and $25 billion. the full cost of the plan impacts on rate pay rs should calculate before the commission [indiscernible] the plan must be considered and involve [indiscernible] the plan is

built to design drought which [indiscernible] that require hiring flows. [indiscernible] >> thank you caller. caller, your line is unmuted. you have two minutes. >> commenting on 5b, norma wallace. i appreciate the comments and perspective of commissioner ajami and agree with mary butterwick. i'm retired and on fixed income and insurance already doubled, now water. as mentioned, my home in golden gate heights overlooks the ocean. it reminds me of our place in the universe and thinking locally i

know we are all on stolen land, so of course i'm concerned about the tuolumne river and empath of the proposed design drought that creates drama and contracts. we create ecological disaster with every found of cement pours, every pound of mineral mined from the earth to build more. as reality check, understand, people are not on it the land with no running water use 10 gallons a day. i got down to 12 gallons a day. that is respecting resources. we can make better use of what we have and live within the capacity of it had place we love. thank you. >> thank you caller. caller, your line is unmuted. you have two minutes. >> thank you. peter dreck-myer. i like to thank commissioner

stacey initiating the conversation and her comments and appreciate commission [indiscernible] are not realistic. they described by staff as outside envelope. if staff wants produced a public accessible scenario commissioner [indiscernible] water supply planning workshop march 2021. then scenario 7 used the conservative urban water management plan projections, the outside envelope and removed one year from design drought. [indiscernible] by developing 35mgd alternative water supply. far cry from 92-122 mgd considered in the plan. using reasonable plan projection reduce the need for alternative water supply further. [indiscernible] suggest it cost

17 $17 billion-25 billion. the financial plan only covers 1 percent of the cost. the staff disagrees with the figures they should tell how much they think the 92-122mgd will cost? please ask them today. should include range of projections based on california finance population growth projections or finance bureau water sales projections and the higher one what is currently in the plan. even bawsca has done that and found we can add people throughout the service area without increasing water demand. this doesn't need to take a year. we know the finance bureau project water sales remain flat. all the puc has to do is fund 200 mgd demand under that the last 9 years to the model. they have already done this and you can get the results from them today if you simply ask. >> they think caller.

your time is expired. caller, your line is unmuted. you have two minutes. >> >> hello there. [indiscernible] landscape architect. i like to ask you to question the design drought you have been working under and i do ask you to partner with peter dreckmyer. the bawsca presentation april 23, 2024 stated, the water use was down to 55 gallons of water per day in the san francisco puc distribution area. despite increase in population of 34 percent during the same time. this was very surprising to the bawsca presenter. and they mentioned that during the year 2012, the amount of water used was 79.3 gallons per day. therefore,b the projection of

need for more water is an error and this has been going down the amount of water used has been going down for 30 years, so your projections are in error. thank you for allowing me to speak. >> thank you caller. caller, your line is unmuted. you have two minutes. >> my name is gale and i live in menlo park and cochair of the [indiscernible] san mateo county democracy for america. i see that you do have a financial problem, which is due to differed maintenance and now you have to try to fix that. i urge you not to make it a lot worse by over-investing in expensive

alternative supplies you don't need. usage estimates are too great. san franciscans love nature and demonstrated the willingness and the ability to conserve far more then predicted. finally, to be prudent, you need to hold a public workshop with plenty of time to hear the contributions of dedicated and well informed community experts who can augment your somewhat flawed information. thank you for your time and i hope you make better decisions. and they think for your service. >> thank you caller. commission secretary, there are no callers who wish to be recognized. >> thank you. >> pub lic comment is now over. so, let us item c is report on

recent sfpuc activities. general manager, do you have anything to highlight? >> yes commissioner. it is with a heavy heart i share with you that our beloved coworker, oscar passed away unexpectedly may 28. oscar is a light of the world. always quick with a smile, thoughtful eye, helpling hand. it seems everyone had a chance to interact with oscar had a story how he helped them. that is the type of person he was. as a emergency planning operation lead, oscar worked hard every day to keep us safe. during covid oscar made important countbution to city response and vital how handled the pandemic. ism [indiscernible] role of devoted husband, doting father and steadfast

son and brother. his passion for life was infectious and he embraced every moment with steadfast zeal, especially when surrounded by family and friends. oscar navigated complexities of a blended family can grace, foster a home filled with unity and affection. his professional achieves at the puc was immense pride as deep connection to his mexican heritage. extended beyond sports coaching. touching lives with his equitable and dignified approach. his love for basketball, music and travel paralleled only by compassionate spirit empathetic ear. a man of faith, oscar engaged in profound discussion about spiritality with his mother leaves wisdom and belief. his smile and laughter are a gift to

all of us lifting spirits and spreading joy. his sudden and tragic passing leaves a huge hole in the agency and extend deepest condolences to his wife, his children anthony and marcela, family, friends, colleagues and loved ones. and that concludes my report. >> thank you for that sad and sudden update. >> can we have a minute of silence to respect and acknowledge. >> moment of silence for our colleague. [moment of silence] >> thank you commissioners. any other announcements? >> there are no other announcements. >> okay. we'll move to the next item. can you read the next item,

please? which is consent calendar so we don't need to read that. item 6 is consent calendar. commissioners, any questions or anything to pull from the four items, a, b, c or d on the calendar? questions, commissioners? seeing none, let us open consent calendar to public comment, please. >> remote callers, please raise your hand if you wish to comment on item 6, the consent calendar. any membersprint present who wish to comment? seeing none, moderator, any callers with hands raised? >> commission secretary, there are no callers with hands raised. >> thank you. >> okay, public comment is closed. motion and second to approve the consent calendar? >> move to approve.

>> i'll second. >> motion and second. roll call, please. [roll call] >> thank you. can we read item 7, please? >> item 7, award contract no. ww-742, southeast water pollution control plant 040/041/043 health & safety improvements, to the responsible bidder that submitted the lowest responsive bid, anvil builders, inc., in the amount of $18,700,490, and with a duration of 940 consecutive calendar days (approximately two years and seven months), to provide health and safety improvements addressing structural, mechanical, instrumentation, controls, and electrical reliability, to the southeast water pollution control plant wet weather primary sedimentation buildings. this action constitutes the approval action for the project for the purposes of the california environmental quality act (ceqa), pursuant to san francisco administrative code section 31.04(h). the planning department has determined that the project is exempt from the ceqa. the commission will rely on that determination to make its decision on this action.

>> okay. mr.-- >> project manager here today to kindly request approval for the award of ww742, southeast water splugz control plant over 40-041, 043 health and saeft improvements. building o40 and o41 house the wet weather sedimentation tanks and 43 houses electrical control room. the buildsings were constructed in the 1950's and inadequate ventilation, structural deficiency and electrical reliability issues need to be addressed to meet wastewater enterprise operational reliability and health safety and security level of

service goals. staff and the contract monitoring division reviewed the ww742 bids and the application bid preferences and determined that anvil builders is the responsible bidder with lowest responsive bid of 18 million, 700 thousand, 490 dollars. the specified contract duration for these necessary improvements is 940 consecutive calendar days and with that, happy to answer questions you may have. >> commissions, any questions on item 7? seeing none, lets open up item-thank you for the update. open item 7 to public comment. >> remote callers, raise your hand if you wish to comment on item 7? anyone present who wish to provide comment on this item? seeing none, moderator, any callers with hands raised? >> commission secretary, there are no callers with hands raised. >> thank you. >> thank you.

public comment is closed on item 7. molegz and second to approve item 7? >> move to approve. >> i'll second. >> motion and second. can we have roll call, please? [roll call] >> you have three ayes. >> can you read item 8, please? >> item 8, approve amendment no. 1 to contract nos. pro.0066 a to c, natural resources specialized and technical services, with aecom technical services, inc (pro.0066.a), applied technology and science a-t-s (pro.0066.b), and avila and associates consulting engineers inc. (pro.0066.c), increasing each contract amount by $7,000,000, each for a new total not-to-exceed contract amount of $21,000,000, with no change to the contract durations, subject to board of supervisors approval under charter section 9.118. >> you are on. >> good afternoon commissioners. steve ritchie, assistant general manager for water.

these are amendments to three specialized technical service contracts to assist us in management of our watershed lands, 61 thousand acres here in the bay area, as well as stream flow work in alameda creek and san mateo creek in both watersheds. the vast amount of work we have to do is ongoing follow-up on the [indiscernible] cases where we have many permit conditions to meet, lots of mitigation requirements to make sure we are fulfilling these environmental obligations don't have a time limit. they just extend forever, so this is ongoing work that will be with us a long time. these amendments extend these contracts for money, not for any time, but 7 million dollar for total of $21 million per contract. they expended about $10 million out of

each of the contracts, but this is labor intensive work that we have to do for a variety of purposes and happy to answer any questions about it, but i recommend you approve the contract amendment. >> commissioners, any questions on this amendment? seeing none, let us open up item 8 to general public comment. >> remote callers, raise your hand if you wish to comment on item 8. any members present who wish to comment on this item? >> seeing none. >> seeing none, moderator any callers with hands raised? >> there are no callers with hands raised. >> thank you. >> commissioner, motion and second to approve item 8. >> i move to approve. >> i'll second. >> motion and second. can we have a roll call, please? [roll call] >> you have three ayes.

>> thank you. can we read item 9, please? >> agenda item 9, adopt a resolution accepting the 2024 san francisco public utilities commission (sfpuc) wildfire mitigation plan (wmp) and authorizing the sfpuc general manager to file the plan with the california office of energy infrastructure safety (oeis) wildfire safety advisory board (wsab) on or before july 1, 2024. >> good afternoon commissioners. utility analyst with hetch hetchy water and power. just pulling up the slides right now, but here today to ask for your approval to submit our mitigation plan. this is the annual update to our plan. you may recall last year i brought to you our three year comprehensive update with independent evaluation, the 2024 plan is a update to that plan,

so the content of the plan has not changed, however some metrics have changed. thank you. so, we are required by law to construct and maintain operate these electrical lines and equipment that minimize the risk for [indiscernible] being cause of catastrophic wild fire. requirements on the slide, there are in the plan to prepare wild fair mitigation. submit plan to california wild fire safety advisory board and once every 3 years provide a comprehensive update to the wild fire mitigation plan, have that plan independently evaluated and have the independent evaluation

present findings to you're comeition which we did last year. so, the slide shows the objectives of the wild fire mitigation plan, so if you have seen the plan, these should look familiar. these are in table contents. each of the sections has subsections that go into more detail, what each of those mean. this slide shows our distribution lines and our transmission lines relative to the cpuc high fire threat district said. . red are high fire district said. . beige and brown are [indiscernible] areas in gray are a non hftd, so thanz mission lines transfer through the central valley is non fire district and little distribution on the western side of the peninsula and up country

we call there is a little pier 3 in the groveland area, so these are areas we pay particular attention to when doing management work and looking at assets and doing asset inspections. our plan principals remain the same. minimizing the source of ignition of a fire. resiliency of the grid, and then measuring how effective our plan is, whether or not it is working or not, whether all the asset inspections are working, veg management is working and is our plan working? are we seeing improvement and reduction in wild fires and seeing improvements in system reliability. i want to highlight this slide, because these are metrics we include in our plan and i did want to show that we have zero reportable ignitions in the

last 2 years, which is a good thing. we had two wires down incidents in the beginning of 2023. those were due to the severe snow storms and wind storms early 2023, thank fully that happened by cherry lake and there was a lot of snow on the ground so did not turn into ignition events but we patrolled the lines and found trees under heavy snow load and able to remove those as well, and we had one wire down in outside hftd, we had a plane crash into one of our towers and so, luckily that did not cause any ignition and the pilot was okay. >> private plane? >> yes, yes ma'am. >> so, i just are wanted to highlight accomplishments we had in 20 23.

implemented drone inspection for segments of the distribution lines. mostly where accessibility is difficult for crews, very steep rugged terrain. we updated distribution construction standards for the water enterprise to use fiberglass or composite poles with replacement or up grades on those. we received data back from our first satellight vegetation monitoring program, so implement that data and analyze to see what it is showing us. supportal cal fire it perform 80 acres of controls burns in the peninsula watershed and completed comprehensive audit of all the transmission and distribution system and substation assets in max imo which is our online asset inventory system. looking forward in the next 3 years of our plans, wild fire mitigation

plan, some things we are focusing on are to begin purchase and instillation for distribution poles located in high fire threat areas with high propensity for wild fire. begin purchase and replacement of non exempt public resources code 4292 equipment with prc4292 exempt equipment on distribution poles and continue to refine and validate the data and automated tasks for wild fire analyst risk modeling tool. with that, that's the end of the presentation and happily accept any questions. >> great. thank you. i will start with a question. just remind this commission, besides our staff, our internal staff working in conjunction with cal fire, is this attached to other contracts we have for this stuff?

do we run the drones and do we--do we have other contracts? this is not going deep, but just reminder of the network that takes care of this plan? >> yeah, so the hetch hetchy we have a licensed drown pilot, so he pilots the drone for us. we own the drone. we bought that and he pilots that. with our veg work we do most in-house. we do contract out some larger projects that are going to apply technical tree falling if there is directional away from houses where a contractor is better suited for that work because they have specialized equipment, we'll utilize a contract for that. yes, and we have as needed vegetation management contract for that. >> got it. it is mostly in-house, accept if there is something that is out of--

>> that's correct. >> thank you. commissioner ajami. >> thank you for your presentation. p such a important topic and considering all the recent wild fires we had and all the devastation caused. i know some of the areas that we have infrastructure are not highly populated, but some areas are. i wonder as part of our mitigation work, are we prioratizing or doing risk assessment to see like, should we focus on this area since it is more populated, socio economic impact is higher, versus other and the answer can also be we do all of the above. just trying to figure what your prioritization process is. >> yeah are, good question. so, there is couple-we use a

couple different data points. one is that population impact is part of the equation that goes into creating the high fire thread districts so if there is a large population impacted by a wild fire will push that to tier 3. tier 2 could be more rural population where there is forested landscape and vegetation however not have the large scale population impacts of a large wild fire. meaning, buildings destroyed, populations impacted, loss of life, those are lessened so those are usually tier 2. not sure if this addresses your question, but we also do 4291 inspection around all our facilities, meaning we make sure that vegetation around our substations and

cottages is cleared within the hundred foot defensible space radius to make double sure our facilities are protected. not so much us causing a fire, but from a fire. ever little bit helps getting leaves off trees, removing vegetation over roofs, so we try to just make sure that our facilities are as safe from a wild fire and safe from starting a wild fire as possible. >> it absolutely answers my question. thank you so much for that. and then, on the prescribed fires, we have had those fl a while now. i know also the state has improved the permitting process for those. have you guys experienced that? is this easier now they changed their processing? >> so, hetch hetchy i can only

speak from the hetch hetchy side. we don't do control burns in hetch hetchy area. those control burns were done through natural resources lands management so i can find if that permitting process has been better for them or not and provide a update. >> okay. that's fine. i know-- >> yes, we have been working closely with cal fire particularly peninsula watershed where the densest populations are and increase the number of acres we have control burns and of course they are run and performed by cal fire. it is on our land and we very carefully work with them on environmental compliance, as well as doing it effectively. the most common thing we do, san andres dam and [indiscernible] we had control burns on those for years now. we were not doing on san andres

this year, but that has fallen off the list for a moment, but we also came to the commission a while back with plans for different areas around the watershed and we had to do a lot of work with local constituents and been very successful with thatismt >> maybe the last question on this series is, a lot of people are having problems getting insurance for their homes because of all the wild fires we had and mass exodus you are seeing with insurance companies. have you-has anybody-i think it is important to highlight some of the work we are doing because that means we are lowering the risk and i know some is more political and it is sort of reacting to different things rather then just being strategic, but i wonder if you are having conservations

around that and has anyone approached to better understand what is going on? outside the realm, but think it is important and i know a lot of people are complaining to me about this, so trying to figure where we are on that. >> hi, cheryl. i am with hetch hetchy water and power and yes, actually we are going out to bid for insuring power assets, so we had an insurance provider who was like an umbrella insurance provider and the risk management division with the assistance of the city administrator's office recommended that we use this approach and basically market our insurance our portfolio and

actually there is a great deal of interest and partially because we are just on it in terms of how we manage our assets, how we are managing our wild fire risk, so we presented a lot of this information precisely for the reason you are asking about and hopefully we are supposed to find out in july. the bids will come back, the underwriter proposal and hoping for good news. knock on wood. yes, it is a important element within that risk portfolio. >> on that note, so we before that we were insuring ourselves and- >> no, our insurance policy was under the city umbrella insurance provider, however these are special ized power assets so the idea is could we go out to market and would there be

interest, particularly from insurance carriers who understand these assets and how we man tain these assets. >> perfect. first of all, i'm really glad underwrites [indiscernible] that is a biggest problem insurance now. second thing is, i would love to hear what happens with this, so i don't know if you can let me know, e-mail or call me or provide a report. i don't want to ask for a report, but a update on this would be very important just it is very important issue and very closely working with the insurance commissioner of california so really interested to see how what works where and how it is working, so-- >> absolutely. >> thank you. >> news that you say you might have is that we get insurance from somebody else or the price goes down? >> yes, we are looking to insure more

of our assets at a similar or better price then we were getting previously, and we had a lot of interest in the market, so we are hopeful, but we definitely will report back. >> the fall-back, you go back to- >> go back-- >> correct. >> thank you. any other questions commissioner? >> thank you for the update and extra stuff. so, open item 9 to public comment, please. >> remote callers, raise your hand if you wish to comment on item 9. any members present who wish to comment on this item? seeing none, moderator, any callers with hands raised? >> commission secretary, there are no callers with hands raise said mptd . >> okay, public comment is over. motion and second to approve item 9, please? >> i move. >> second. >> roll call, please. [roll call] >> you have three ayes.

>> resolution passes. item 9. number 10, there is the list of all our communications. so, let us go to item 11. items initiated by commissioners. commissioners, we have anything you like to bring up? seeing none, let us now let us read item 12. the items that are going to be addressed during closed session. >> item 12, public comment on the matter to be addressed during closed session. conference with legal counsel proposed settlement of construction contract by res system 3llc under db127 warnerville substation rehab projeth. material terms san francisco public utility commission will pay nothing on contractor's claim.

the puc will release $2.6 million of the contract balance and the san francisco public utility commission will retain the remaining contract balance of $2.991.223 proposed settlement subject to phenyl approval of the board of supervisors. >> okay, so, why don't you read item 13. >> motion whether to assert the attorney client privilege regarding the matters listed. >> before we go into closed session, can i get a motion? >> public comment. >> public, sorry, public comment on item 12, please. >> any members of the public present who wish to comment on this item? seeing none, moderator, any callers with hands raised? >> commission secretary, no callers with hands raised. >> thank you. >> great. thank you and thank you for the reminder. so, let's go back to item 13.

can you read the motion, have the motion to assert attorney client privilege. , please. >> i move to assert the attorney client privilege. >> i second. >> motion and second. can we have roll call? [roll call] >> you have three ayes. >> we will now go into closed session. take a pause. [closed session] >> we are now back in open session. i have announcement the commission is recommending the board approve this settlement in item 14. so, can we get a motion regarding whether to disclose our

discussion during closed session? motion and second to not disclose? >> i move not to disclose. >> i'll second. >> motion and second. can we have roll call, please? [roll call] >> you have three ayes. >> thank you. commissioners, we have adjourned. see you in a couple weeks. [meeting adjourned]

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