tv Board of Appeals SFGTV August 16, 2024 4:00pm-5:54pm PDT
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be the presiding officer tonight, and he's joined by who has legally changed his name to alexis levy. we commissioner rick zweig, commissioner john trasvina and commissioner j.r. epler. also present is deputy city attorney jen any needed legal advice. at the controls is t assistant, alex longway. and i'm julie rosenberg, the board's executive director. we will also be joined by representatives from the city departments that will be this evening. up front, we have corey teague, the zoning administrator representing the planning department. we also have kate connor, housing implementation department, and kate hannairs manager with the planning department. we also have up front kevin birmingham, acting chief building inspector with dbirrie mcelroy senior building inspector and plans examiner. the board meeting guidelines are as follows. the you turn off or silence all phones and other electronic proceedings. no eating or drinking in the hearing room. the rules of follows. appellant's permit holders and department respondents each to present their case and three minutes for rebuttal. people affiliated with the
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parties must include their comments within the 7 to 3 minute periods rehearing requests. the parties are given three minutes each f the public who are not affiliated with the parties havo address the board and no rebuttal. mr. longway, our legal assi 30s before your time is up. four votes are required to grant modify a permit or determination, or to grant a rehearing request. if you have any questions about requesting a rehearing, the board rules or hearing email board staff at board of appeals at sfgov. org now public access are of paramount importance to the broadcasting and streaming this hearing live and we will have the ability for each item on today's agenda. sfgovtv is also providing closed to watch the hearing on tv. go to sfgovtv cable channel 78. it will be rebroadcast on fridays at 4 p.m. on channel 26. a link to the live stream is found on the homee at sfgovtv. forward slash voa now. public comment can be provided in three ways one in person, two via zoom. go hearings and then the hearing date where you willo provide public comment by telephone call 166933 and enter the webinar id 81447944569. and
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board give your testimony evidentiary weight, raise your right hand andr you have been sworn in or affirmed. do you swe testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, a you. if you are a participant and you are not speaking, pleasen mute. so item number one is general public comment. this is anyone who would like to speak on a matter within the board'sn. but that is not on tonight's calendar. is there anyone here tosee anyone in the room. anybody on zoom? please raise your hand for general public comment. i don't see anyone son to item number two. commissioner comments and questions. commissioners seeing none, i think we can move on. we will move ondoption of the minutes. commissioners before you for discussiinutes of the july 17th,4 2 corrections or additions? commissioner trasvina, i'd lik adoption of the july 17th is there any public comment on this motionj to adopt the minutes? okay. seeing none on that motion, president lopez
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vice president levi i commissioner swig i. so that motion in the minutes are adopted. we are now to item number four. this is appeal number 24 041. alex plowman and cynthia building inspection, subject property 575 belvedere street. issuance on june 20th 2024 to daniel booza of an alteration permit ad one ac unit at flat roof at middle approximately 300 pounds. this is a permit application. 2016 08256097 shows joists. sister to existing roof joists. the pe number 2024 06184755. and as i let you knowares have come to an agreement and would like the boardadopt changes to the permit. this agreement has been provided to you in advanced also prior to the hearing, dbi confirmed with me that the compliant. so unless anyone wants to we would have to comment and then have a motion and issue the permit on the condition that
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it incorporate the conditions listed in the agreement submitted by the parties id any of the parties wan necessary. did did. no. thank you for your time. okay. thank you. did dbi want to address is there any public comment on this item? please raise your okay hi, george. i was involved in appeal number, 16 dash 153, and it was partly an enforcement case back several years ago. and the, the,ut of it, besides saying to remove the stairway and the hatch that we because they put they were going to put a roof deck on,o roof deck was. they put air conditioning units ono give the board some context this boar you should put it in the yard. and so i'm justn objective standard that needs to be thought of. that air conditioni the yard. thank you. thank you. is there any further pent? okay. i don't see any okay. so do we have a do i actually
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wanted to askement says that they would be willing to drop the appeal solution. but we can also, of course, grant the conditions, which is grant it's better for us tohem of that. i think they've submitted this early. okay. but so, in that case, i would move to grant the appermit on the condition that, the conditions and the that the condition is that rather than reading the quite a bit i will for the written decision. i will lists just do that then. thank you. and what is the basis of your motion onis that the parties have come to an agreement which is code compliant, which is okay. okay. great. so on that mo trasvina i commissioner epler i commissioner swig. hi. okay. so that motion carries 5 to let the parties know there's do we want to waive the right to request a rehearing? then i can send tomorrow if you if the appellants and the permit holder agree to waive their right to a rehearing, i agreeou. so we'll
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get that decision out for you tomorrow.you. okay. and so we do have a request frommove item six before item five.oing to do the presentation after item after item six. so thank you. on to item number six. this is a rehearing request for appeal. number 20 4-032 subjecell street. beth miles, the permit holderhearing of appeal number 24 dash 032. mickey versus the department of building inspection, which was decided on june 26th,024. at that time, upon a motion by commissioner trevino, the board voted grant the appeal and revoke the permit on the basis that itcked understanding about the impact the permit would have on the appellants. the the permit description is removed.xterior door remove one existing interior door and fill openings to match one new exterior fauci single light door. install by six foot pocket door interior. i two foot by six foot swing door. i don't have my glasses swing door
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interior. new six foo. this is permit number 2024 zero four zero nine 9596 and we'll hear from the requester first. and she's represented by mr. roso. welcome. you have three minutes. great. thank you everybody. good ev is laura astrazeneca. i'm an atto represent miss miles today, we're here today tois appeal because of some things that have co. most importantly, the decision to revoke thee ty should basically review the permit with more informationship of the properties ended up not being possible because of article one section 31, which essentially says that an applicant cannot apply for the same permit within a the building and planning department have made a determination that that appl so miss miles would not be able to apply for a permit forwork within a year, it took them a while to figure out what that.nd we went back and forth with them for a while. told us affirmatively that that was their decision, we didn't want to go to appellant to kind of discuss what we propose to do until we knew what the city's position was. and so immediately
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29th, we did reach out to appellant and her went over what we propose accommodate some of their concerns, we also applied for a permit to restore the side door, which i know the board was very co at the last hearing. so that permit has issued, and so that work is ready to when we talk to the primary concerns were the gates and the fence. with mr. birmingham removing the gate in the back= in for fire department reasons. it sounds like w would be able to remove that gate. we have to chld alleviate that concern. the side gate we're offering to lock and term rental guests to use that gate and limit the accesse that the board was concerned with last time. but the unjust to my client. her property may be in purgatory for up to a doesn't rehear this decision, that's unfair to spent a lot of money on this alreadyd largely didn't have issues with a lot of the work. the interior d yard. it was primarily concerns about restoring the side door so that the access would be in the
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easement 3 reasons, we would like the board to grant we can propose revised plans that weacceptable to the board, that would, you know address the concerns here. unfortunately, the support our requests. we hope she changes her tried to accommodate her concerns with the fences. we don't thin with the interior doors, though. if she does have concerns, we're address those as well. but we think that would be the bestt would alleviate these problems and give us a thank you. thank you. okayhe appellants. welcome. three, we have theo you want to show? i'm not here, no just in a minute. not at first. okay. right okay. yeah. just let me know when you're ready, okay. good, commissioners.
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member of the board, it's really nice. i'm here with my two boys. my husband's late from work. oh, i respectfully request that this rehearing request is denied. yourke the permit on june 26th was the correct and decision. there is no reason to have another hearing on thist injustice towards beth miles, and there is no new information nice to see you all again and spend the afternoon with myring on a matter that's that is res the reason that we're here. it's unfortunate that submit this request instead of reaching ou hearing on june 26th. it wasn't until she was told that you, the board, had expected her to. we received that request on august 1st, five hearing on the 26th of june, with only two weeks left until this hearing. we thank you for dialog. we wish it had started earlier. we met on august 9th, butly the agenda provided was only a review of these new plans beautiful
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plans drafted by. you know, her herrchitect, his skills with the softwar however what's missing was a discussion about why the permit was appealed, how the work related to that permit ledneighborly, bad behavior and how that wore only plan that has been approved in this crs plan unfortunately, the plans beth miles and her teams presented to us are the conflict with our ccnrs and the condo plan and our exclusive use property and our driveway easement that we have not approved. so we'll need more time to d the overhead overhead, please. yeah, sorry to interrupt. time. did you want the overhead? you were looking up at the screen. oh yeah. yeah, yeah. sorry. okay. overhead to show what the what? that was the approved. thank you. yeah renters are not entering our propertyre. they are going through her front doors. so this is working, this should good news for her. she's allowed to run her airbnb suite with through her front door. it's her prerogative. however, there is
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says that she can have access to our exclusive use property, gib renters access to any part of our property. the easement, dr now able to sleep a tiny bit better, feel knows that this is the right and legal thing to do. howeve of work as neighbors, some of which might be working together a fence or other things that don't needut we've learned a lot. we still have things to miles and her team feel the same way. thank you for listening. did the plan? good evening, president lopez. commissioners. corey teague, zoning administrator for the planning department, just on the rehearing request, i would that was already raised which is on the grounds of kind of new a discussed or presented at the last hearing. and that really ise prohibition f a permit is denied, you typically when a permit appe the board more or less have three options. you can deny can grant the appeal and modify the project or
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add conditionsgrant the appeal and deny the permit the is that it does come with this essentially a one year, prohibition kind of essentially reapplying for the same or very close permit, the reason that'sewhat new and whether it's new enough, you know, have you vote in any particular way is up to your discretion ability of the property owner to do this work, or propose very similar alternatives within that year, and i think they already addressed issues of, you know, currently there not being of, physical separation between the properties and the. the new fence would create that. it was really more about the gates and the side door and the access there. and they've mentioned, you know, the po a rehearing request not to necessarily request th was originally issued beinstated as it was but to actually work on an appeal and a revised permit that kind of addresses all the. so, i just wanted to confirm and in the business and tax code. the one
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year prohibition on and applications, just so you're aware of that any other questions you may have. thank you. commissioner swig. i. prior to the hearing, the previous hearing, that information that you just risk reward was, the risk, the risk being you want to go and the risks that you take is you're it's one ye was that public information made made public to the and made available to, the permit holders attorney, i know that i didn't provide that information to them, and i'm not aware th department would have applied this, provided this information to them over defer to my colleagues at dbi to see if that ith in like a standard way provided to applicants on the front end permit? yeah i mean it. i believe that it is not? and if
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one was doing due diligence and a permit process, it would be one of the pie e question of how, that in communicated to applicants by either the pl dbi in a permit process perspective, since it's a building permit, it kind of starts and ends. it's don't generally provide that information or, we generally don't provide that information upfront. and so have to defer to dbi if that's information that is on their application forms or otherwise. public information that's provided in there, either or paper permitting process. okay, maybe mr. birmingham that's appropriate, and but follow up question. it having having served this commission for a while, it is something that you've heard me brought up bring up many times, which is if we deny this appeal tonight, and that permit
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is that permit is denied. what is the amount of timepplicant have to refile for the p adjustment for that permit is that i have said that many times, have i not i'm not sure if i understand exactly. mean, so when in many in, in, in, in past hearings, i, i do think that i've, i've just, i'm just affirming situation that if we deny this the appeal and i'm speaking generically then, then what is the term permit and at which point you have or, or your surrogate has stated one year or you've stated, well it's geut this could happen that, that, that could i don't remember any specific instances. iould have been a question and answer in some case inlet me move on let me get to the root of my questio clearly, clearly, i, ios that has been taken because i've seen it occur me,
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it's face value. i know that the public isn't benefit of sitting on panels for years and, and hearingnd may not see that as face value, but follow up question is when that question ised, what is there another way tha a reapplication that there is a reapplicati to another permit which addresseshe same thing, but takes out the items that were proble is it a is it a full under circumstances, a full one yearntil a new permit can be issued? so isd sure that the business and tax code is not doesn't give like instructions on how much of a deviation from the denied permit is necessaryd of a case by case determination. so there's always going to be that is similar to the denied to go forward within the one year. there's just never know, we can't say exactly what that is
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because there's no the code, and it's a case by case determination. okay, so that that being, if in fact we deny the rehearing request, then theammed and that what i think was the general is our general feeling on this commission not necessarily case, is that we encourage and i always look this is communication is a wonderful thing. andher, two parties that have a differing opinion get together and try then maybe they don't have to come here in the first place. really good opportunity. so if, if we were to deny the rehearing there is the possibility that these two parties could these two parties could discuss a scope of work, and that sco out something. i'm not going to specify what or if and that with that leave out, then a a similar scope, butame scope of permit could be made within a year. possible.
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it's just hard to know what that relative to what was what was denied. i mean, ii don't want to speak for the applicant. you can obviously ask questions of them challenge with this a little bit is that it's not just abouhe interrelation between the aspects. so because one the board before was they removed the the rear door and the gate kind of there go in the front door, you had to go around to the rear changing dynamics of adding the side door. if you add fence and a gate that that manner, and you have the side door physically, it's very si to what it was before, but functionally it's somewhat different. and whether that's enough of a difference, i don't know. but thestion of whether or not that's something that would potentially get worked out at the board or would have to essentially wait a year to happen. but that would require a whole no new evidence. you know, there's just we could have bugging me here, thank you for that. and birmingham can address the other piece of it for me. thank you. okay.
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thank you. we'll now hear from dbi. yeah of the board, kevin birmingham, representing dbi. so as to your question that information would not have been ahey wouldn't be appealing their own wouldn't have that information or we wouldn't have supplied it. so any other questions? okay. we have a few questions. okay is th and then commissioner eppler. sure thank you, mr. birmingham.osition on when the when the clock starts on, on the one year prohibition?t i can't say, but i would say probably from the date you initiated your first decision, it would have been started at that point. yeah. the reason is i'm looking at the language of the business and tax code article one, section 31 you knowom the bottom of the excerpt in, the permit holde brief has language saying speak into the
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microphone. sure. it has language to the date of, quote, the original the date whi quote the original application was made. and the and so i'm wondering if 26, which is our d date of the permit, i'm not sure about that. i'd have to go back and consult with our legal to see if that's when they feel would start from got it. and then, you know, guidance, guidance or with applicants withmething is the same? permit versus a materially different no. i mean, it's basically a call bybasically the same work as what was on the there there is some wiggle room. i mean, unfortunately, a lot of work involved. so it's, you know, you couldnger requires a permit. you could do several otherthings, but at the end of the day, it's a small interior remodel with a of their own backyard.
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they have gotten the permit to reestablish the removed. that basically brings them back first square again, where they were before everything time to work out. maybeg to work together and go in the proper direction. so hopefully they can work something out. but and then lastly to that, to that point with respect to working things there an avenue for, for folks in the permit holdeonç= dbi perhaps talk to, you know, somebody who who may eventually about, you know, work that anticipate being included in put him in co with the senior plan checkers and they can work out to see on the plans and how they want torkaround to grant them a new permit. so then a one year prohibition on communicating with the a prohibition on the new application taking effect. and like you say it's hard to tell when the know, is the year set
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in stone kind of type thing. can definitely communicate with our plan checkers and senior plan checker toe scope of work. is it considered the same scope ofnt scope of work? thank you. sure quick question is so the original permit, the one that we, we repealed included the removal the side door, which was the main issue problem here that a new permit was pulled to then there was another permit pulled for the rest of the scope of material difference. i mean, agh but that is a material difference between the two perm this work were still undf a single permit is the problem that we now have differentand one of those permits looks very similar with the omission ofs from the original permit, and one of them stands alone by itself. yeah incorporate them both into the same permit, and that might into one permit, which a substantial different scope the, the second permit was basically at back in from the easement to the
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downstairs property. sure. no, no, i that change. i guess the question is why it's of one that might be materially, materially different than the one that we at in first place the one you that you suspended. you can't get a rt's basically a separate standalone permit is how it was. they had that permit. right, right. i but instead of two instead of one they got two instead. and that seems to behaving this conversation. right now. okay. thank you. all right don't see any further questions. so we to public comment. is there anyone in the room who wouldcomment? anyone in the room? okay speaking, if you could fill out a speaker of the podium and give it to alec we'll have your name but you can go ahead and start. you can speak in the mic, but the speakerase. sure. yeah. you can stand right there and you have board. okay? three minutes. okay my name is carmen. i live in beth, for the. i've been living ecuador.
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i've been living in san francisco for t in the mission on 19 and valencia and beth for 20 years, and she lived in castro, andur kids who are my daughter is 21, hers is 22. and, in and we've supported each other. in fa doing some fixes and we had to go somewhereo because the smell was a strong, she immediately her place and and so i just wanted to talk a little bit about and how we i've known her. i even i feel like us as living in san francisco. most of us come, and we found in san francisco a place where we feel goodre our kids were born. her daughter was b 22 years ago, and mine was born 21. and i feel like we are from here. so i wouldn't think that eit an outsider. she has always worked was with children's ce worked with sfmta's and she lived in the castro. and when had wanted for many years to come back and live in the this has been a huge thing for her to be able get a place where she could live
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with her family and her daughter goes to , and yeah. and i. yeah. do go for it? yeah. okay. we're going to restart the time. minutes are you. i still have my three minutes. yeah. so in regar like she's a super ethical person. she's always been like of working women in the city who most of us come mission, bernal heights castro. so we live. are participants of the city. and she's worked with again with her children's clot. she's worked with habitat for humanity page, you could see that she's worked with fibershed, northern california and in her work now it's in regards to the environment. that again, sh to find a house and to make her house and she is a person whe. when she had a house opening in christmas, it was people from the person from the street a 30s. oh so then just a huge. and she arranged her house beautifully with second everywhere, because she has an amazing tasteo say that she's
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as san francisco as i feel. an i've been living here for three years, and i've lived in anyways ma'am if you could. you put your name, the person who just spoke and you can. you you can go ahead. okay my name is nancychaeus. and i think, well, carmen and i are here to dispel the mischaracterization of beth miles. we've known her for so many years, i'm area native. i've lived in san franciscofamily. i've own a home. i have a bu here with my husband. i met beth when our daughters went 've been friends and colleagues ever since. i w in her business, which her entire business sustainable lifestyles, living simply and uplifting people such as fair wages and shopping is a direct ref as a person, and the te to support. in san francisco, beth is one of the most kind and giving people i know. beth is
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alwaysther people have what they need first, and she's extremely talented at bringing i would we could fill this room with the with people. i know that beth become a design director for esprit, a san francisco apparel apparel icon. somerset's father came to take the job at sf mta to develop 511. they as a family, have the city and the culture in a very positive way for 25o san francisco. beth's commitment to community is shown through her helps on various organizations, helps wo entrepreneursd one of my favorite interactions she's been having lately is with her neighbors at victoria has fostered some friendships there with the residents she's been contributing materials, and her time to help them their artwork. because beth is a person, if she sees there's it. she's very community driven. i witnessed firsthand some, i just want to say in c beth is an extremely hard worker. it took a lot to get this house in
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san francisco. a year is a long time, and more than want her and her daughter to experience the created. so i hope you. seconds. thank you. next speaker, please. president lors of the board. my name is david serrano. sewell. i'm speaking. here on behalf of mickey and art. the appellant, 30 year resident of the mission. i got art at the playground. both of our kids are at buena you get to know somebody at the playground especially the parents situation with calm, an open heart, and a willingness to teach and to learn. and they're very patient because that is their to be patient. and when i heard they reached out we're in a tough spot, we're at the board of appeals. and in your i you saw that something's happening herely issued permit from the c and
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county of san francisco, from the department of building inspection, th affords each one of you jurisdiction to do somethingu did. and i think you did the right thing because we have to hit because this washborly vibes, according to mickey a you, didn't didn't happen. and it should have. and again, these are two very are loathe to create neighbor, so it takesome up here and do this. now comes the rights and of that permit that is bestowed to the perm whatever it is that you can do, but it also responsibilities and ignorance of what those responsibilit state code or the san francisco charter they h these are the conditions by which i have to abide by, soee with mickey and art. i
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don't think there's been any material new information that warrants a rehearing. now, i think to work out good. good fences make good, but we don't have a good fence here. 30s and so thank you for your time and thank you for your actions at this last year, the last hearing i will fill out a card. thank you. is there any further please approach the podium. ma'am, you can come forward my name is betsy nolan. okay. ma'am, microphone? i'm sorry, i was speaking into the wrong thing. okay you. you could pu this is the microphone. okay? okay. i'm. i'm betsy nolan, and art for some time now. and what i've struck by is the incredible neighborhood in which they live and which they are revered, and what i don't understand is why they'r hoa member has difficulty the people who live right behind her. while she can speak to
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everyone else in the city and all sorts of things done. she completed this projectey and art what she was doing. boys, which you see here, saw a stranger property late at night, and they were obviously a bit apprehe days, it would have been appropriate, perhaps, hat she was doing this before sh and just tell her when they're going to be people t why it's so difficult for an airbnb host too are staying there to enter and leave through the frontle to the to the rental space. lived on shotwell for i've been absolutely stricken with joy about the community that they are part of and between people there. and i wish that the new person felt less entitled to do her entitled to reach out and be a part to her neighbors and to speak to them. thank youhere anyone else in the room who wants toay. ishere
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anybody on zoom, pleaseand. you may have to dial star six if yo. okay. i don't see any commissioners, this matter is submitted commissioners, let's start, i don't i thinkuing the hearing that we had, last month, i wish that some of the the proposals that we could have been made in our hearing, relate to theave been made last month. i wish that t holder would have been more flexible to those conversations with the resolve these issues, which now seem to be resolvablee, i see inconvenience, because of an enter the front door but that that does, the permit holder from, doing the business, doing
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business as an airbnb host, and it passed the test for a7;. thank you. i, i appreciate you commissioner swig bringing back the conditionsbecause i guess that what we have to follow, i am a little bit frustrated because i feel like we're in a perfect bureaue had a very clear conversation about the permit. and instead of giving a set we wanted to see, we invalidated it for therebevi made and to be passed, the thing that befuddles i mean, i'm, i'm concerned tha may be caused by the fact that we now have two permitmit, and whether or not it is caused by two permits instead of one determination of the plan checker and is independent of any guidance or any thing that we did in our last hearing. and soit was our int
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cause there to be no permito remediate all of the work that was operty prior to there being permits. and that's what a lot of i'm kind of at our provisions for rehearing i'm not fully convinced if known, might, might have changed we could say that the code is one of those things and it was not presented to us. and it. but i do feel like this is somely in the department of building inspection. i generally agree with commissioner swig. i think this you know, i think we've i personally was familiar the one year delay, that wasn't news to me when this came ah implies to me that the standard for rehearing has not it didn't come up in the last hearing. that's correct. but it wasn't new code section that just went into effect. it wa wasn't brought up in the hearing again
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was aware of it, and, you know if that's the only new information that's being presented, i don't see grounds to grant a rehearing. you know, i think maybe had other conditions changed at the hearing on this matter. we could have come to a different conclusion. but i also into account the totality of the circumstances unanimous decision to, to grant the full, which is not something we often do body. we usually if we do grant an appeal, it's usually with made the decision to grant it knowing that that wasn't normally the case. so i would grant the rehearing request. while the permit holder a rehearing request, it's for the reasons that my colleagues have sta and if anything should have last proceeding, it was the neighbors among the co hoa participants. that clearly hasn't
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does not have is opportunities for relief. there are i read the language of the business tax starts earlier than when we took's something that you've got to find lawyer. you've got treme and your lawyer can can make that argument. i think a lot of discretion within the within thedepartment to provide you the kind of relief that you need.the appellants having the original appellants, cooperation, assistance communication and support on that, i think would help you, so, so i do think when when the la same location, not any permit, but a like agency to give you the kind ofat that that you are seeking. i don't believe you have met the standard for a hearing. but this is a question about who's the nicer neighbor who's contributed more to. you both are people of chara your two fine sons to this meeting. you've brought your good for you. you've got advocates
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but in terms o us, a request for a rehearing, i don't believe that the standard has been met, miss huber. i, i would jr the board that the one year period likel commences at the point of the board's action. and the reason that often come before this board many years action. and so if you were to interpret any other way, it would allow a party to sort of comethe board, get a denial and then immediately apply for the same permit the code is that the date of the application by said board would be thismake sure that the board has that clarificatio. i think it would be a one year bar from the date the date of the original permit issuance. in thi circumstance trasvina i, i don't expect you to provide a legal ar legal answer on this, but but perhaps it's something that the and the agency and, and the
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city attorney cant as i read page three of thee on page two of the of the of miss talks about not being heard officer. it's going to be heard by theg'>he department is not going to be heard by us. so that might give them some flexibility. i certainlyd' legal determination. that's why we look t but but my reading is, is there might be some possibility of a of a different reading, but i will leave that to, to , yeah. in my view. and i and agree, i knew i'llments that, the, the existencef the one year prohibition is not, was all of us, i think that's, that's come up in in previous matters before ithink going forward, i think, for, for myself and and i'd ask my commissioners to consider this that that may be something that we want to the parties
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because it may prompt spirited, negotiations and conversations on the part of a permit holder. if they of the business and tax regulation codez section that we're talking about. my fellow commissioners that the, the standard hasand, i will add and speak to the matter in the permit before us but i will als commissioner eppler's comments that, it does seem like, potentially,or fore from dbi in question really[! examine whether this shouldn't be considered an entirely new, permit. that's that's being, proposed and considered by the permit that, you know, we wouldn't request to hear that same first permit. but that's not be able to
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be folded into any futuret, pursued, so with that i will move to deny the rehearing request the standards for rehearing requests have not been met. okay. so we a motion from president lopez to deny the request on the basis nor manifest injustice on that motion. commissioner levy i i so that motion carries 5 to 0 and. okay. we are thank you for your patience. we are now moving on to item number five. this isby the planning department and the department of building inspection o 1114, which became effective january assembly bill 111 presentation will include an overview of the billplementation approach and welcome to , you have the presentation chance. i have it on a usb andyeah, we can just put it on the laptop. do you need some help? alec you need. pardon? he has it on a you. okay.
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okay now. thank you very much manager for the department of building inspection. i appreciate the time this afternoon. sorry about that, tate. hannah legislative affairs the department of building inspection this afternoon, commissioners, so diving into ab 1114, whi just enacted and took effect januar bit to the existing law before ab 1114, as what the law does. and so you can see on the slides there's really the bedrock laws, the permit streamlining act which was passed back 1977 77, excuse me, and sets various to entitle a project. so this is everything leading up to it. it sets a 30 day window determine if an application is complete and let the
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complete or not, as well as sets up specific timelines for depending on the type of project and other qualifiers. the permit streamlining act has been am some of the largest changes came in the past two years, including ab two, two three four. by now, speaker rob rivas, ab 2234 took the the framing of the permit streamlining act andifically for post entitlement permitsprojects. so it set a 15 d a 30 day window to determine completeness of an application and inform the missing if necessary, as well as a approval or denial for 30 days. if it's 25 units and under, and 60 days with over 25 units over 26 units. excuse me ab two, two three, four require local enforcement agencies to provide clear well as examples of complete applications. required online, permit intake and was that took effect january 1st 2023. and is th government code section that we're going to be looking at tod defines post entitlement permits to mean the following. all non reviews filed after the entitlement process has been
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completed that areissued by the local agency to begin construction of a development that is least two thirds residential, excluding discretionary and ministerial planning permits, entitlemen other permits and reviews as specified, so 223, four apply t essentially everything after the entitlement phase, but only apply to non-discretionary permits. so the city and county of san francisco largely did not implementu all are well aware everything is discretionary here 1114 came in by assemblymember matt haney. and really itovided two tweaks to the government code section thatnto place. and it switched the definition of a post entg anything issued under the california building code, as well asy or not. so that essentially one expanded it, applicable in san francisco. the other major change be placed upon that permit, and so that has changed how dbi functions and some of we've implemented in the department include, you know just complying with the law and creating those checklists of what is needed for an application, as well as postingnto our website. we have a whole list of different residential examples and are expandingr
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publication, we also improved process. we previously had an online intake process, but it was a bit outdated. and 1114 ab 1114 pushed us to update that. additionally, we instituted a preplan check station, which w the first step for an applicant. once they submit an application, preplan check station and get told what is necessary for an applica better understanding of what's needed for that completeness. check review of applications pri individual reviewing departments would, would, woul sequentially. so dbi would look at it, then maybe we'd transmit it relevant departments and agencies. now we're able to because of 1114, and review an application at the same time that fire issue comments at the same time and have that process be data tracking. obviously there's quite a bit of on with these permits but 1114 required us to track data around the completeness check and timelines that it institutes. and so i won't dive into all the data here. but yo can see in terms of completeness checks, we meet that 15 day timeline 99.6% of the nearly 100% accounting for human and occasional technological actual plan check and approval or denial of a permit, we meet time.
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so the department is quite proud of how we are implementingo stay in compliance with ab 1114, and i am happy to answer any questions with me. is kate connor from the department of planning, as well ase kerry mcelroy, to answer any technical questions. okay. thank you so do have a question. do we have any question commissioner trasvina, th for your your presentation, your role as legislativ manager at dbi. soefore this bill was enacted, did did the city make any input or testify for or against it, i can't speak to that. i've only been in this here when the bill was movi legislat. e. i can't speak to if the city commented on but it was not the bill moved through the process pretty smoothly. there was not big testimony, not here wasn't a lot of controversy as it moved through the process. werll, her we have a chance to discuss this or whether it's form of questions and
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answers, but it seems to me that that a pretty dramatic effect on residents of san francisco and cases that and i'm just wondering, you you work for dbi but it seems to me that dbi has this this there are there'sfewer. there's there are fewer decisions through eight, 11, 14 the right for neighbors or others to appeal but it also means that therere are fewer cases that come before us. and i'm wondering whether it's your role to advise this board legislation that affects us, that may or may affect dbi or affect dbi differently my role. i'm wondering whether you see to advise us on legislation. my rol and the building inspection commission. i would be happy to to my role speaking to you all about legislative updates. if theyjurisdiction. yeah. okay. well, i'm not i'm we can't tell but but i'm just i, i see this legislation as
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as affecting the ability matters and that's important t our board in a different way than it is to dbi. so there's a gap, whether it's you fulfilling it or whet don't know, but the other question i have how do you educate or how does the department educate the are seeking the application, but thinking they have a right to appeal or challenge a decision of dbi. so dbi does put out communications website numerous times over trying to make sure that public. i think proactively addressing a pool of people that appealing could be anybody in the city. andan education campaign like that might not be under the purview of dbi. but we have made this information very much available. andn, this law was authored by the assembly member that represents over half of san and so i know that his office was communicating it to his constituents speaking into
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the middle microphone since you're quiteo much. it will help our our viewers, commissioner technical question. could you go your presentation page one, please? computer, please is that the one i want, second one, it had to do number of days it was comparing. it was the a, b the nitpicking part is where it says 15 day window. is that 15 business days or is it 15 know off the top of my head that the the 30 and 60 day window are business day timelines? and so i would imagine thatas well. i don't want to misstate if that's not the case for a fact that for ab2234, the approval timelines are ba of business days, and i would wager that the completeness check is as well. that's that's kind of for future. it's kind of important because you're presenting to the public. the public looks atn't know whether it's business days or the calendar days. and
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you know important for future presentation to a public that is . i like i said, it's a nitpicking, but it's kind of important.be happy to get you that information. okay, secondly, you did a great a really long document that it took me quite a lon to read this past couple of days into a very concise situation an it was maybe a little over concise man, there's a lot of stuff in that legislation beyond very, very efficient presentation, and i have the same does because even thoughented by an assemblyman representing the city of half of the city of san francisco pretty broad brushed and and san francisco is anything but broad brushsee broad brush, go into the suburbs and in. i won't name them because i don't suburbs. but you know, there's pretty generic housing in many of the suburban areas in san francisco or housing busver. and in
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san francisco, we're anything but ge are a patchwork of individual neighborhoods and districts hard to do from my view, a generic legislation like this, so the same from as mr. trasvina. is like this really applies to my neighborhood. i thought it applied to their neighborhood because their neighborhood looks different than my neighborhood.ly a difficulty. but we can't do anything about this. corre because it's a done deal. but that tha question is when we say this is as is this 1114 subject to, potential litigation or, or legal challenge by, by any interested parties? i'm not i'm anybody to do that. but when something like 1114 is done, which is, confusing to some, as they say, you really want to neighborhood, and i have no way to appeal it, that that the initiative to do legal challenges. do you anticipate that or if this is knowledge, it's a public hearing. that's why i asked the question is this is this a fait accompli in that
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this is a fait accompli deal? or is this a fait accompli subject totential litigation, which may challenge this bill? yeah it is subject to potential litigation as all it could be challenged in the courts that i know that there ar measures, or at least there have been in the past that have tried tostate housing law. and so there could likely be challenges to this. yes. thank you. commissioner eppler. thank you. since we a proxy for the public right now. and, you know, that this is understandable as possible, you know, we hava technical term here for the types of projects to which this applies. and those are designated housing development projects. can you get into what that means? and you know, maybe give some examples of what is a designated housing development project for the purposes of this legi so it gets a bit complicated in themended the government code section. that was codified under two, way that ab 1114 works is that it nor just applies to that two thirds residential threshold. the definition of housing development es. another section that is quite broad. it's essentially single family up.
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it also includes transitional housing and other forms of housing, and essentially any housing project. and that's a, that's a project that adds new housing, correct? yes so that could be an adu, for example. i believe. so although there are otherjust how adus are processed. right. but but this ifhis one is over the top and applies to all of them, then does it. is it applies as opposed to those other laws, in terms of the appeal process?. okay thank you, thank presentation, i have a questionpect to the data on what would otherwi us, and it may be something that you would be able to extract based on what's on page six where you you list the data. but obviously going forward, the to be any number of projects that would haveeen eligible to come before us that we're i'm trying to quantify the, the unseen there. can you give us a sense volume
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of projects that 1114 were eligible for of appeals that are no longer, eligible based on the volume that you've seen, this year? i'd be happy to talk to some dbi and try to figure out those numbers. i don't have them my head. got it. thank you. thank you. andyq i just want to add add to that you knowt it's great to see what that universe looks like. it would also be interesting. a=e that we do internally to see how many such projects have actuallyo us historically, in the past. thank you. commissioner zweig. so a follow up question so stimulatedy commissioner eppler. so we had a case a couple ofere an adu had been built in the mid-bloc open space, it had been an expansio existing garden storageure. it certainly wasn't. and but according to the new state statutes related to adus back
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far enough from the building. sorry. thet up a certain number of feet. it only had a it was all configured bothered me about that a my bother didn't stop it from getting past and was that it completely flew in the face of space traditional objections and what might or m have been good if under without that new law being and again the, the problem with legislation like this it i don't speak for my fellow commissioners, is that it is broad brushed. it is generic. it doesn'tration the difference b the seven hills of san francisco, what is ft, is, what has height? none of that because it's broad brush an generic. and i really don't like broad brush. generic legislation, you can
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we have lots of stuff on the books. planning. is there to protect the neighborhood open space. that's just a couple examples. it goes on ad infinitum legislation completely wipe out everything that is that is special to sa francisco with regard to not its special naturebu special rules regulation and compliance issues. how far does this this go issues, those special those individual provide the opportunity for theho, by the way, we represent, they're paying us our here, where where is that? you know, where doess the you can't as i interpret your presentationthe you can't make appeals anymore direction. how far does how far does that overrule?s that that that previously stood in dbi. and i uses the example, the adu that
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now dle of that beautiful mid-block open space where it never sounds like what occurred there was legal becausee. adu. exactly. and so this this law does. i understand, but i'm using the state adu law as an example where obliterated something like the protections on mid-block open space. okay. and so what does what does this state, doe statute act the same. and simply obliterate every statute that's francisco? no, dbi still is ode and all the san francisco amendments that apply to that. the planning is simply saying that we need to respond within a specified amounthin that time and say it doesn't meet the standards that we in this city. okay? it is simply a non appealability once the but that that permit still has to meet all health and safety, all building code, all planning. i meet all existing regulations and requirements. so the fundamentally the, the, the public is taking it now has to take dbi is going to be diligent in statutes, all of that, all of those compliancea, et cetera, et cetera. they've gone
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down that checklist and everything is kosher, then it is absolutely not appealable. whereas before so, i know dbi you said don't believe that you did. and therefore we'reat basically the difference? i'm not sure if i'm following me that now dbi has a specific amount of time to go down the checklist to look at it and it's a shoeriod of time, they to go down that checklist to make sure that everything is compliant, that, considers allof the multitude of restrictions that tha or opportunities. i'll look at the glass half full that making a building has. and then once that checklist checklist and bless it, then that permit is not appealable. correct i believe if i'rect. right. where in the past the different the keyrence is, is they may have done that in the pastizen next door can say, nah, we don't you. we're going to appeal. at which point they co marching
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into here, we have a hearing and we evaluate whether dbi was correct or not. and that citizen making the appeal has paid their how $650. 175 for one permit the $175. they got their hearing it was a good appeal or a b all have a nice day, but that fundamentally that doesn't exist changed. thank you. commissioner trasvina. thank you. i have a two part is thank you for your presentation, and asid it was concise. it was accompa was very, very helpful and i and i that, the rest of my comment is, i guess, directed tos and to president lopez, and that is that i think this the for the aid of our own board and for the prior to the whilesidered. and i know you you were not here and i'm no's do, to do, to do that. but i think we a responsibility here. you have rights under the charter rig been chopped up on this issue
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with the what we as san francisco sai the expectation on discretionary not discretionary matters no longer exists because of this law. it is the law law. i'm not trying to challenge it. i'm not trying to argue one way or the other, but it is the law. there is now the the or the implement implementing of and following abiding by 1114. we the city has to do it. but it's important for this board as a stakeholder to be able to know in adf other departments know if other parts of the or city agencies know that we should know as well. and president lopez to see where we can explore getting this in advance, whether this or other bills the be gone at the end of at the end of the month. 25, rather, 2526 to see how we can be apprizedat affect the ve do. but also the rights and interests of members of. now we see the acrimony, we see the concern. we see the lack of communication among neighbors. but at least now place to come to, which
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is to the board of appeals. they make. we make a decision. and ideally, neighbors walk away with a decision from someone. they're not there that under this law. they've got they've got to live side by with resentments built up by or did or the other neighbor didn't do. and we serve as sort ofpe hatch and a letting off steam, making a d available. so i think the public is at least aspect of it, is not well served by the law. but as going to talk about i'm not i'm trying to avoid arguing whether but i do want to make sure that we havehat affect what we do. from the other citythat analyze legislation of president lopez could look into that over the next few months. i personally would appreciate it. fair, comment. i think with, with respect was that was in in know, long before i was in this chair. but i think, with respect to our guests,
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i think, i think it would be fruitful to keep the to, you know to it to sharing some of that information with respect, you knowshold questions about what may or may not be eligible for appeal love to keep that communication open and ongoing. i think we mean, i'll take it. i'll take it about this more. i may also make sense to have a conversation, our guest is from dbi, and other departments that, that, thats to this board. and so it sense to have a broader conversation and, and have anrepresentatives from other other departments and agencies but i think that's the, the, the, the, the'm sensingow, at the prospect of particularly folks who may not be following developments ine of us in this
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room, you know the prospect something that they may have done before understood was still an avenue for relief. that is no longer the case, given changes in legislation. i think that that's that's a very valid we can we can then discuss as there are any, official communications or otherwise, to be do think that that, that conversation begins with an understanding and assessment of, of things that in the door, so yeah i'd love to stutely thank you. i don't see any further questions at this time, so we will tak so much for your time. appreciate it. so we're moving on tent. miss trish welcome. hi. thank you. miss sent you i sent the letter i think i don't think people know what's going on, what this means. and i want i there be real concrete examples
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that peoplehis actually means. other than the high transfer from site permit to post entitlement permit. it's very confusing andose memos from the city attorney several times. the one about to 114 and 114. the one in my letter is that there's hearings. that's what this board is known for. hearings. so what happens if the city makes an an entitlement? nothing. some other thoughts. you use the wordseveral times. there's no more discretion this board, including permits to legalize is that true? it's like tonight with for what's going to happen witheals related to issues of foundations or excavations or decks or expansions into rear yards. what it's mentions in 114 is objective design standards are being developed. should this board have a roledesign standards?
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they're still being developed. that's how projects ar by staff. the public has no ability to weigh in board should maybe weigh in on those objective design standards. with sb 423, there's a huge loophole there because projects with two or more units through. but i've seen, like you saw last week, that two weeks ago,jersey there was no second unit all the time. the second unit becomes part of the whole unit and they have avoided they'll avoid any kind input. there's pre-application meetings are . are they? i don't know what about 311 notifications outside the pegs? no more 311 notifications. how do on? who's going to let them know? they won't know untilt's what the city or the board wants. as youit's just thrown out the window. it'sthe window. i know it's all happened, but i don't think people know i hope that the board lets people know. i hope this hearing let hope there are more hearings about it, itor even
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still be filed if the permit hasn't been the planning entitlement hasn't been issued as long as it's still file a doctor? thank you. that's not made clear to me. i don't know, thank you. i have more questions. i'm sure you have would be nice to have some concrete examples. thank you. okay. thank you. to zoom for public comment. the calling user number one. please need to dial star six to unmute yourself. we have someone who called in the phone by phone. dial star six. okay. yesd yourself. please go ahead request. i've listened to board members. they are very probing about what you're used appeals member and the projects that comeo you, the appeals that come to you all the time. basically hearing is in the middle of summer when there is no one. board of supervisors is onning commissioner is on vacation, people are on. i am struggling right n
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information that was provided to you week to understand the being proposed to d out i don't understand how many at the board of appeals. my workload is going to shrink the planni commission's workload is going to shrink. one of th is very observant t me is that the planning commissione a lot of hearings, and the board of have a lot of hearings. and no one knows about it commission should have a hearing on what's happening with this law, as well as you. i'm asking you all to this is an informationalion you have to make today. please have a full hearing after labor day when people are paying attention and can neighborhoods people from community build housing that build affordable housing need to. as well
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as members of the board of commission. so i'm asking you andhere was, one of the things you didn't about today is the memo that came from o on 11 823. and it memo addressing this legislation there was a hearing at the board of appeals on this., 30s. it wasn't in your these have a hear deeply in the question you asked and have real public comment and more than insiders knowplanning commission should have you're going to have a hearing and when to have a hearing, because thank you. that's time has been developed as thank you miss. thank you, miss hester. is there any further? i don't see any. so president lo further, that does it for this evening. thanks. thank you to the planning and building departments for being
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and nothing is really happening here gold there was a small spanish in the presiding and and fisherman that will come in to repair their ships but at any time three hundred people in san francisc the gold rush happened. 182948vi here to start a new >> by 1850 roughly in the bay and leftearch of gold leaving so they scraped and bay and corinne woods. with the way that san francisco was and when you look at a san francisco have a unique street thing is
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those streets in extremely long piers. 1875 they know theyso the ferry building was built and it was a long affair first cars turned around at the ferry building and picking up people an last night the street light cars the trams area also. b 1880s we needed thing than the ferry building. a bond issue w passed for $600,000. to build new ferry building i would say a studio apartment in san francisco they thou grand ferry building had a competition an architecture and choose a young aspiring archite and in the long paris and san francisc grand plans for this transit station. so he proposed the beautiful new building i wanted it than that actually is but the
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price of concrete quitclaim two how killed. but it ope claim and became fully operational before 1898 carriages and horses for the primary mode of street was built up for servem lines and streetcars could go up to embarcadero to hospitals and to nob hill and the fisherman's area. and earthquake hit in 190 six the thing had to be corrected of the tower. and 80 would not survive the buildings collapsed the streets and the trams were running and buildings had to highland during the fire actuate
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tried to stop the mask city so think of a a cable car they were a mess theee were torn up and really really wanted to have popular sense they were on top of that but weeks after the earthquake kind of rigged a streetcar to run not cable track ran electrical wires to get the to run and 2 was pretty controversial tram system wanted electric but the earthquake gave=w to show how electrical get on top this. >> take 10 years for the to rebuild. ferry use was increasing for a international exhibition in1950 and people didn't realize how much of a communitythe ferry building was. it was the celebration.
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the upper level of ferry building a gathering place. also whenever there war like the filipino war or world two had a parade on market street and the have banners and to give you an idea how central to the citywide that is what p wanted to to be a gathering that ferry building hay d busiest translation place in the world h g transit and the city is dependent on that inf an important year that was the year our international expositionn living in san francisco and that was supposedlyte the open of p had the and 80 trips of life and in hard
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by the flu pandemic and city had mask mandates andpxdoubt a mask had a risk ever bei arrested and san francisco was hit hard by the other places and rules about masks and what we're supposed to be more than two people withoutmasks on i read was that onose guys wanted to smoke their pipes and their masks and getting from trouble be hauled away. >> the way the ferry building was originally built the lower level with the natural light was take it off lunge the second floor was where and all those out and central stairway of the building interesting point to talk about because such a large building one major and we're
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talking about over 40 one of the cost measures was not a pedestrian bridge with the ferry building embarcadero on market street was actually and in 1918 but within 20 years to have san later shipbuilding port in the world pacific we need the. as the ferry system was bridges to reach san francisco. and aar item that people wantedçé triyve themselves around instead of the ferry result marin and other roots varnished. the dramatic draw in was staggering who was:4 that was a novelty rather than a sptr line stopped one by one because getting cars and wanted to drive and cars were a
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big deal. take the care ferry and to san francisco and spend the day or? saturday drive but really, really changed having the car >> when the bay bridge was built had a train that went along the lower major stay and end up where our sales force transit center is nowf getting into the city little by ferry stopped having what happened in the 40 and 50's because of this downturn a purpose a number of proposals for a world trade center and wantedr it own the philly in a idea objective never gotten down including one that had too t trade center in new york but a tower in between that wasldin and
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comple impractical. after the tower administration wanted to keep americans deployed and have the infrastructure for the united states. so they had an intrastate free plan for major freeway systems t san francisco. and so the developersame up with the bay bridge and workedir way along embarcadero. the plans to be very, very efficient for that through town he once the san francisco saw happening 200 though people offender that the embarcadero free was and we had the great f where. which us off from the ferry building store line and created in 1989 opportunity to tear down the was the
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renaissance ofbuilding. >> that land was developed!@ a new ferry building and whom embarcadero how to handle travel and needed a concept for the building didn't want- that was wh plan was developed for the liquor store. >> the san franciscoas many that ups and downs and had a hay day dribbled adopt to almost nothing after the earthquake had a shove adrenaline to revise the waterfront and it moved arounday and plans for more so think investment in the futureel that by making a relia ferry building will be there to 1
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surface. p and dine in the 49 promotes local businesses and challenges residents in the 49 square francisco. we help sanncñn and right vibrant. where will you shop and dine in the 49? of three owners here in san francisco and we provide moainment and we have food the type of food that we have a mex big menu but
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we did it like ribeye tacos and quesadillas and fries. for latinos it brings families together and if we can bring that family to business you're gold. tonight we have russelling forrestle community. >> we have a-person limb elimination match. we have a full-size ring with barside food and drink. we ended getting wrestling hereth puoillo del mar. we're hope us. we've done a trying to be a diverse kind of club, trying a great part of town and there's a bunch of a variety of stores and ethnic restaurants. there's popular little shop that all of the kids like to
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hanghang out at. we have a great b brick fast at tiffanies. some of the older businesses refurbished and newer businesses are coming in and it's exciting. have our own brewery for ferment drink repeat. it'sncisco garden district and four beautifulmixer ura alsomurals. >> it's important to shop local because it's kind of like a circle of life if you will. we hire loc their money at our businesses and those local mean t work people will spend their i hope people shop locally. [ ♪ ]á
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