we've heard people like jenrick, former like robert jenrick, the former immigration minister, and former home suella braverman, home secretary suella braverman, saying, just not saying, look, he's just not interested this issue. he interested in this issue. he doesn't to to us about doesn't want to talk to us about immigration. really, rishi, immigration. so really, rishi, really, rishi, are you really going do this? think, you going to do this? i think, you know, potentially he could make it election issue , i it an election issue, but i don't he's really the don't think he's really got the courage of convictions to courage of his convictions to leave echr personally. leave the echr personally. >> you could say is so >> but you could say he is so determined to get these flights off ground that he is off the ground that he is willing leave the echr, or at willing to leave the echr, or at least saying least he's saying he is. >> i don't think he is willing to the echr. i don't think to leave the echr. i don't think he has the balls to do that , if he has the balls to do that, if i can say