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natalie elphicke is the mp for dover. if we were _ is a. natalie elphicke is the mp for dover. if we were speaking - is a. natalie elphicke is the mp for dover. if we were speaking this i is a. natalie elphicke is the mp for l dover. if we were speaking this time last week, she would have been the conservative mp for dover, seen actually on the right of the conservative party but she is now the labour mp for dover. she changed parties on wednesday. it was a proper, well, moment. it shocked a lot of people in westminster and the labour party. she has decided to make that journey and labour party. she has decided to make thatjourney and been warmly embraced by sir keir starmer as you can see. ~ ., .,,, embraced by sir keir starmer as you can see, ~ ., , , embraced by sir keir starmer as you cansee. . , , can see. what has she been accused of tonight? — can see. what has she been accused of tonight? this _ can see. what has she been accused of tonight? this is _ can see. what has she been accused of tonight? this is to _ can see. what has she been accused of tonight? this is to
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natalie elphicke is the mp for dover. if we were speaking this time last week, she would have been the conservative mp for dover, seen actually on the right — as being on the right of the conservative party — but she is now the labour mp for dover. she changed parties on wednesday. it was a proper "wow" moment. it shocked a lot of people in westminster and the labour party. but she has decided to make that journey and been warmly embraced by sir keir starmer, as you can see. what has she been accused of tonight? this is to do with the trial of her husband on sexual assault allegations back in 2020. her husband is a man called charlie elphicke, he used to be the mp for dover, he was the mp for dover before her. the allegation is when that case was about to be heard in london, she went to sir robert buckland, who was then thejustice secretary, and suggested that the timing of the case should be changed because she was worried thatjust after covid restrictions had been lifted in southwark crown court in london, this woul
natalie elphicke is the mp for dover. if we were speaking this time last week, she would have been the conservative mp for dover, seen actually on the right — as being on the right of the conservative party — but she is now the labour mp for dover. she changed parties on wednesday. it was a proper "wow" moment. it shocked a lot of people in westminster and the labour party. but she has decided to make that journey and been warmly embraced by sir keir starmer, as you can see. what...
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keir starmer has gone from embracing jeremy corbyn to natalie elphicke , all in the cynical elphicke, all in the cynical pursuit of power at any price. so labour have no ideas what they did have. they view turned on. >> a judge has ruled that parts of the government's rwanda plan should not be applied in northern ireland. the high court in belfast determined that aspects of the illegal migration act are incompatible with human rights laws , and would breach rights laws, and would breach the good friday agreement. the uk government, the good friday agreement. the uk government , though, will have uk government, though, will have a chance to appeal that ruling before another hearing later this month . meanwhile, in the this month. meanwhile, in the us, donald trump's former fixer michael cohen has taken to the witness stand as the former president's criminal trial continues. he's expected to testify that he helped mr trump illegally hide a so—called hush money payment to the former aduu money payment to the former adult film star stormy daniels. mr cohen used to be one of the former p
keir starmer has gone from embracing jeremy corbyn to natalie elphicke , all in the cynical elphicke, all in the cynical pursuit of power at any price. so labour have no ideas what they did have. they view turned on. >> a judge has ruled that parts of the government's rwanda plan should not be applied in northern ireland. the high court in belfast determined that aspects of the illegal migration act are incompatible with human rights laws , and would breach rights laws, and would breach...
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but next, as natalie elphicke defects to laboun natalie elphicke defects to labour, are sir keir starmer's party becoming more and more like the conservatives you're with the saturday five live on gb news. >> on mark dolan tonight. in a mark. meat. special. world cup winning south african captain francois pienaar. the man who made history with nelson mandela, tells his incredible story in my take at ten. why? it's time for the king and the country to forgive prince harry. plus, radio legend mike reid, the hamiltons and coronation street star charlie lawson. we're live at nine. >> welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you very much for all of your emails and comments about tonight's topics. d has written in. good evening d . hello wonderful folks. it's only a union jack if it's on a ship. otherwise it's union flag . ship. otherwise it's union flag. thank you. >> my scout leader would be very angry. yeah. did i say union jack instead of union flag? i'm so sorry . so sorry. >> christine said. i cannot understand why persons who are not patriots of this country are allowed to use
but next, as natalie elphicke defects to laboun natalie elphicke defects to labour, are sir keir starmer's party becoming more and more like the conservatives you're with the saturday five live on gb news. >> on mark dolan tonight. in a mark. meat. special. world cup winning south african captain francois pienaar. the man who made history with nelson mandela, tells his incredible story in my take at ten. why? it's time for the king and the country to forgive prince harry. plus, radio...
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here is natalie elphicke talking about her decision. in 2019, the conservative stood on a manifesto that was very much centre ground, but under rishi sunak, they've abandoned the centre ground and broken many election promises. meanwhile, under keir starmer, labour have changed and i think that change is going to bring a much better future for our country and that's why i was so keen tojoin the labour party and play my part in bringing that important future forward. tory mps i have been speaking to today here in parliament seem pretty shocked and staggered by the defection, they wouldn't have placed the natalie elphicke in the labour party at all and they think it is pretty incredulous she has done that. i think said to me for labour, this will be a huge political victory for them, adding to their sense of momentum they have behind them from very strong local election results. there may be some in the labour party who are slightly uneasy about her past views that were expressed by natalie elphicke, critical of their policy on immigratio
here is natalie elphicke talking about her decision. in 2019, the conservative stood on a manifesto that was very much centre ground, but under rishi sunak, they've abandoned the centre ground and broken many election promises. meanwhile, under keir starmer, labour have changed and i think that change is going to bring a much better future for our country and that's why i was so keen tojoin the labour party and play my part in bringing that important future forward. tory mps i have been...
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so that's the tory mp natalie elphicke from dover and deal. natalie elphicke from dover and deal . i've got to say, i don't deal. i've got to say, i don't actually agree with this . i actually agree with this. i think crossing the floor in my view, because it suits you as an individual and what you perhaps want to achieve in your future is pretty damn shameful, actually, because it it's a snub to all of those people that turned out and gave you the cross in the box. and yes, i can hear you now saying, oh, michel, educate yourself. we vote for the person , not the party. well, the person, not the party. well, that's fascinating, but we put the parties on there. and of course, those people are selected to represent said parties and all of the policies that go with it. so if you ask me, my humble opinion, i would say that, any defection should trigger a by—election. and yes, i'm not biased in that view. i apply that whichever side you're moving from to. and and yes, i would involve and include people like lee anderson in that as well. what says you at home? but aaron, what do you sa
so that's the tory mp natalie elphicke from dover and deal. natalie elphicke from dover and deal . i've got to say, i don't deal. i've got to say, i don't actually agree with this . i actually agree with this. i think crossing the floor in my view, because it suits you as an individual and what you perhaps want to achieve in your future is pretty damn shameful, actually, because it it's a snub to all of those people that turned out and gave you the cross in the box. and yes, i can hear you now...
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natalie elphicke, who was too. natalie elphicke, who was allegedly firmly on the right of politics and once mocked sir keir starmer as sir softy , has keir starmer as sir softy, has defected to labour. i'll be giving my view. israel has launched its long expected rafa offensive and vowed to eliminate the remaining hamas battalions in the city. i'll be joined by an israeli mp who also attended the oxford pro—palestine protests today and like the prodigal son, it seems the king's schedule is too busy. state of the nation starts now. i'll also be joined by a particularly pugnacious panel this evening historian and broadcaster doctor tessa dunlop and the founder of the new culture forum, peter whittle. as always, as you know, i want to hear from you. it's a crucial part of the programme. email me mercy muroki gbnews.com. but now it's what you've all been waiting for. the news of the day with sam francis. >> jacob, thank you very much and good evening to you. it's 8:00 and the headlines from the newsroom this hour. an
natalie elphicke, who was too. natalie elphicke, who was allegedly firmly on the right of politics and once mocked sir keir starmer as sir softy , has keir starmer as sir softy, has defected to labour. i'll be giving my view. israel has launched its long expected rafa offensive and vowed to eliminate the remaining hamas battalions in the city. i'll be joined by an israeli mp who also attended the oxford pro—palestine protests today and like the prodigal son, it seems the king's schedule is...
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labour's new mp, natalie elphicke, apologised for comments she made about sexual assault. the mp for dover announced her defection from the tories to labour just moments before prime minister's questions yesterday, but it's ignhed questions yesterday, but it's ignited a backlash amongst some labour mps after comments miss elphicke made in defence of her former partner , who was former partner, who was convicted of assaulting two women. and stormy daniels, has been accused of profiting from a story involving a sexual encounter with donald trump as lawyers sought to undermine her credibility as a witness. the encounters, now at the centre of the former president's so—called hush money trial, mrs. daniels says she signed a statement denying an affair with mr trump because she was told she had to. her lawyer has previously argued that the statement was designed to be technically accurate by denying an affair without denying an affair without denying an affair without denying a sexual encounter. mr trump denies any wrongdoing, and the case continues. you can get the case cont
labour's new mp, natalie elphicke, apologised for comments she made about sexual assault. the mp for dover announced her defection from the tories to labour just moments before prime minister's questions yesterday, but it's ignhed questions yesterday, but it's ignited a backlash amongst some labour mps after comments miss elphicke made in defence of her former partner , who was former partner, who was convicted of assaulting two women. and stormy daniels, has been accused of profiting from a...
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here in the uk, the mp for dover, nathalie elphicke, who defected from the conservatives to labour last week, has been accused of lobbying ministers over her former husband's sexual assault court case. her spokesman has dismissed the claims. our political correspondent nick eardley sent this report. the latest allegation is that nathalie elphicke effectively lobbied ministers before her then—husband's trial. the allegation if she spoke to thejustice secretary robert buckland and suggested that at the time of the trial should be moved to avoid extra publicity. sir robert buckland, who was thejustice secretary at the time, has told the sunday times that she was told in no uncertain terms that it would be "completely inappropriate to speak to the judge about the trial at all. " the bbc has spoken to the robert and he has confirmed that account. ms elphicke, through a spokesman, has said the claims are nonsense, while the labour party has questioned why the allegations were only made after she defected from the conservative party to the labour party. it is another awkward question for the
here in the uk, the mp for dover, nathalie elphicke, who defected from the conservatives to labour last week, has been accused of lobbying ministers over her former husband's sexual assault court case. her spokesman has dismissed the claims. our political correspondent nick eardley sent this report. the latest allegation is that nathalie elphicke effectively lobbied ministers before her then—husband's trial. the allegation if she spoke to thejustice secretary robert buckland and suggested...
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i have been talking to natalie elphicke in the last half an hour. what do you say to your new colleagues who were upset at those remarks you made about your ex husband's victims?— remarks you made about your ex husband's victims? about that period of m life, husband's victims? about that period of my life. it — husband's victims? about that period of my life, it was _ husband's victims? about that period of my life, it was an _ husband's victims? about that period of my life, it was an incredibly - of my life, it was an incredibly difficult — of my life, it was an incredibly difficult and stressful period. but i do recognise it was much worse for all those _ i do recognise it was much worse for all those people, all those women, who had _ all those people, all those women, who had to — all those people, all those women, who had to give evidence at that time _ who had to give evidence at that time and — who had to give evidence at that time. and so i would like to take the opportunity to apologise to them — labour will hope that this soft
i have been talking to natalie elphicke in the last half an hour. what do you say to your new colleagues who were upset at those remarks you made about your ex husband's victims?— remarks you made about your ex husband's victims? about that period of m life, husband's victims? about that period of my life. it — husband's victims? about that period of my life, it was _ husband's victims? about that period of my life, it was an _ husband's victims? about that period of my life, it was an...
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well, i've been talking to natalie elphicke in the last half hour. what do you say to your new colleagues who were upset at those remarks you made about your ex—husband's victims? at those remarks you made about your ex-husband's victims?— ex-husband's victims? about that eriod of ex-husband's victims? about that period of my _ ex-husband's victims? about that period of my life, _ ex-husband's victims? about that period of my life, it _ ex-husband's victims? about that period of my life, it was _ ex-husband's victims? about that period of my life, it was an - period of my life, it was an incredibly difficult and stressful period~ — incredibly difficult and stressful period. but i do recognise it was much _ period. but i do recognise it was much worse for all of those people, all those _ much worse for all of those people, all those women who had to give evidence — all those women who had to give evidence at that time. sol all those women who had to give evidence at that time. so i would like to— evidence at that time. so i would like to tak
well, i've been talking to natalie elphicke in the last half hour. what do you say to your new colleagues who were upset at those remarks you made about your ex—husband's victims? at those remarks you made about your ex-husband's victims?— ex-husband's victims? about that eriod of ex-husband's victims? about that period of my _ ex-husband's victims? about that period of my life, _ ex-husband's victims? about that period of my life, it _ ex-husband's victims? about that period of my life, it...
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natalie elphicke, who was allegedly firmly on the right of politics and once mocked sir keir starmer as sir softy , has keir starmer as sir softy, has defected to labour. i'll be giving my view. israel has launched its long expected rafa offensive and vowed to eliminate the remaining hamas battalions in the city. i'll be joined by an israeli mp who also attended the oxford pro—palestine protests today and like the prodigal son, it seems the king's schedule is too busy. state of the nation starts now. i'll also be joined by a particularly pugnacious panel this evening historian and broadcaster doctor tessa dunlop and the founder of the new culture forum, peter whittle. as always, as you know, i want to hear from you. it's a crucial part of the programme. email me mercy muroki gbnews.com. but now it's what you've all been waiting for. the news of the day with sam francis. >> jacob, thank you very much and good evening to you. it's 8:00 and the headlines from the newsroom this hour. another of rishi sunak mps has defected to laboun rishi sunak mps has defected to labour, the second in
natalie elphicke, who was allegedly firmly on the right of politics and once mocked sir keir starmer as sir softy , has keir starmer as sir softy, has defected to labour. i'll be giving my view. israel has launched its long expected rafa offensive and vowed to eliminate the remaining hamas battalions in the city. i'll be joined by an israeli mp who also attended the oxford pro—palestine protests today and like the prodigal son, it seems the king's schedule is too busy. state of the nation...
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they've gone off on the old natalie elphicke story and they're saying being suspended from the commons for trying to influence a judge in her ex—husband's sexual assault trial, backing boris johnson and truss , supporting israel's truss, supporting israel's bombardment of gaza, attacking trade unions , scaremongering trade unions, scaremongering about vulnerable asylum seekers and blaming marcus rashford , and blaming marcus rashford, missing a penalty on free school meals. i mean, it is actually quite a comprehensive list of the reasons why she shouldn't really be in the labour party. but there you go. the daily mail. labour willing to pander to sectarianism after dozens of pro gaza candidates elected in the local elections, tory chairman accuses starmer of embracing a threat to democracy. and we're going to start with the mail mark, do you think that keir starmer, in trying to say that he wants to win back these people, some of these green party , nutters. yeah. said it party, nutters. yeah. said it that he's actually , you know, that he's actually, you know, really embracing, well
they've gone off on the old natalie elphicke story and they're saying being suspended from the commons for trying to influence a judge in her ex—husband's sexual assault trial, backing boris johnson and truss , supporting israel's truss, supporting israel's bombardment of gaza, attacking trade unions , scaremongering trade unions, scaremongering about vulnerable asylum seekers and blaming marcus rashford , and blaming marcus rashford, missing a penalty on free school meals. i mean, it is...
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and i think that, you know, natalie elphicke you know, for natalie elphicke to be seen as an effective defector, she'd have to be someone who was credible. and she's not, frankly, given her history with her husband, given her policy views as well. and i think, therefore, that, you know , keir starmer is probably storing up issues for himself longer term . right now, it longer term. right now, it doesn't matter, because when you're 30 points ahead, everyone lets things slide with the leader and they'll shut up and won't make a fuss about it. but i think, yeah, longer term keir starmer in government can have a real issue with his party. and his parliamentary management style leaves a lot to be desired. >> why? why was he so keen to bnng >> why? why was he so keen to bring her on board? >> and i mean, just for people who may not be totally aware how unelectable or how, uncredible is she? >> well, she's someone who is on the right of the tory party. she was a member of the european research group, hardline immigration sceptic, and the local dover mp. so small boats was very much her consti
and i think that, you know, natalie elphicke you know, for natalie elphicke to be seen as an effective defector, she'd have to be someone who was credible. and she's not, frankly, given her history with her husband, given her policy views as well. and i think, therefore, that, you know , keir starmer is probably storing up issues for himself longer term . right now, it longer term. right now, it doesn't matter, because when you're 30 points ahead, everyone lets things slide with the leader and...
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natalie elphicke crossed the floor in the commons just moments before prime minister's questions. she said: "i have carefully considered this decision. the change has been dramatic and cannot be ignored. for me, key deciding factors have been housing and the safety and security of our borders." her resignation comes less than two weeks after mp dan poulter defected to labour. in the last couple of hours natalie elphicke spoke to reporters about why she crossed the floor to labour. well, in 2019 the conservatives stood on a manifesto that was very much centre ground, but under rishi sunak they've abandoned the centre ground and broken many election promises. meanwhile, under keir starmer, labour have changed, and i think that change is going to bring a much better future for our country, and that's why i was so keen to join the labour party and play my part in bringing that important future forward. 0k. in the past, you've criticised labour's immigration policy. you said that labour's policy was open borders, pro—immigration, it doesn't want to stop the boats, labour cannot be tr
natalie elphicke crossed the floor in the commons just moments before prime minister's questions. she said: "i have carefully considered this decision. the change has been dramatic and cannot be ignored. for me, key deciding factors have been housing and the safety and security of our borders." her resignation comes less than two weeks after mp dan poulter defected to labour. in the last couple of hours natalie elphicke spoke to reporters about why she crossed the floor to labour....
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all i know is natalie elphicke�*s defection said a little bit about natalie elphicke but says a lot more about the labour party, here is a right—wing mp who had no affinity with labour policies or labour people or labour philosophy and they welcome her aim. philosophy and they welcome her in. it says a huge amount about the labour party. if you don't have a plan, policies, things you stand for, you will literally fall for anything, so natalie elphicke is now frankly a labour press office problem, i expect their phones are ringing off the hook this morning, it's not a conservative problem any more. you sound pleased she is in their hands, not yours. sometimes it politics it looks like it's bad for one party, a tory has left and all the rest of it, but you zoom out and it says a lot more about keir starmer�*s labour party and the utter lack of a plan than it does about the conservatives who this week, the economy is growing, cutting national insurance by £900, pensions up by £900, you see a situation where inflation is falling, interest rates are coming down, taxes are coming down, t
all i know is natalie elphicke�*s defection said a little bit about natalie elphicke but says a lot more about the labour party, here is a right—wing mp who had no affinity with labour policies or labour people or labour philosophy and they welcome her aim. philosophy and they welcome her in. it says a huge amount about the labour party. if you don't have a plan, policies, things you stand for, you will literally fall for anything, so natalie elphicke is now frankly a labour press office...
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all a bit messy, but she succeeded her then husband, charlie elphicke, who had been the conservative mp for that seat for the best part of a decade after he was charged with sexual assault. he was actually later convicted and jailed and they're no longer married. but nevertheless, some labour mps are a little bit uneasy about some elements of that. russia is celebrating victory day — held each year to mark the defeat of nazi germany during the second world war. the centrepiece is a huge military parade in red square, beside the kremlin, in moscow. president vladimir putin used the occasion to warn that his forces were always ready for combat, and that he would not allow anyone to threaten his country. he also took the opportunity to praise the russian soldiers fighting in ukraine. translation: we are commemorating this victory day in the difficult circumstances of the military operation. all of the participants, those who are fighting on the front line of those on the contact line, these are our heroes. we bow to their steadfastness and their self—sacrifice. the whole of russia i
all a bit messy, but she succeeded her then husband, charlie elphicke, who had been the conservative mp for that seat for the best part of a decade after he was charged with sexual assault. he was actually later convicted and jailed and they're no longer married. but nevertheless, some labour mps are a little bit uneasy about some elements of that. russia is celebrating victory day — held each year to mark the defeat of nazi germany during the second world war. the centrepiece is a huge...
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i should say that after her defection natalie elphicke| after her defection natalie elphicke did apologise for those remarks. thank you, nick. let's talk now to the chair of labour, anneliese dodds, who is also shadow secretary for women and equalities. thanks for talking to our audience. tony blair, before the 1997 election promised no increase in income taxes. keir starmer hasn't made that specific pledge. should voters expect income tax to go up if labour win the election?— win the election? actually labour has been really _ win the election? actually labour has been really clear— win the election? actually labour has been really clear that - win the election? actually labour has been really clear that we - win the election? actually labour. has been really clear that we don't believe working people should be paying the price for government mistakes. they certainly have under the conservatives. we've seen taxes going up 25 times under the conservatives. we would in fact potentially be seeing them going up in different directions if the government's unfunded £46 billion removal of n
i should say that after her defection natalie elphicke| after her defection natalie elphicke did apologise for those remarks. thank you, nick. let's talk now to the chair of labour, anneliese dodds, who is also shadow secretary for women and equalities. thanks for talking to our audience. tony blair, before the 1997 election promised no increase in income taxes. keir starmer hasn't made that specific pledge. should voters expect income tax to go up if labour win the election?— win the...
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yes, you've guessed it, that is what natalie elphicke said last year. sir keir starmer wants to answer this critics by standing alongside one of those critics. he has a signed piece in the sun tomorrow and he will announce that he as prime minister, if he becomes prime minister, would direct 75 million out of the year one rwanda budget to fund his plan which is creating a new border security command, using counterterrorism powers and giving a much, much bigger role for m15 to tackle boats, as he says, at source and upstream. interestingly, james cleverly, the home secretary out of the blocks, saying that rather than starting the flights and stopping the boats, sir keir starmer�*s big new idea is an amnesty for all illegal immigrants, scrapping our rwanda plan even if it is working. and amnesty for illegal immigrants. the reason the government is saying thatis the reason the government is saying that is that their plan makes any crossing on a small boat illegal, if you get rid of it then you are making them legal, the government would say. sir making t
yes, you've guessed it, that is what natalie elphicke said last year. sir keir starmer wants to answer this critics by standing alongside one of those critics. he has a signed piece in the sun tomorrow and he will announce that he as prime minister, if he becomes prime minister, would direct 75 million out of the year one rwanda budget to fund his plan which is creating a new border security command, using counterterrorism powers and giving a much, much bigger role for m15 to tackle boats, as...
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natalie elphicke is the second conservative mp to defect to labour, in as many weeks. her decision to defect was announced around 12pm just in time for sir keir starmer to bring it up at prime minister's questions. if one week a tory mp who is also a doctor says the prime minister cannot be trusted with the nhs and joins labour and the next week, the tory mp for dover on the front line of the small boats crisis says the prime minister cannot be trusted with our borders and joins labour, what is the point of this failed government staggering on? in a statement the dover mp said the conservatives under rishi sunak had become a by word for incompetence and division. this from someone who has long been preoccupied with the small boat crossings, many had thought her to be on the right of the conservative party. "don't trust labour on immigration she wrote last april" in the express, "they really want open borders." but in her interviews this afternoon she did point to sunak�*s record on migration as one reason she had decided to defect. he's not stopping the boats and he
natalie elphicke is the second conservative mp to defect to labour, in as many weeks. her decision to defect was announced around 12pm just in time for sir keir starmer to bring it up at prime minister's questions. if one week a tory mp who is also a doctor says the prime minister cannot be trusted with the nhs and joins labour and the next week, the tory mp for dover on the front line of the small boats crisis says the prime minister cannot be trusted with our borders and joins labour, what is...
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basically because natalie elphicke is quite right wing as they would see it, she was properly on the right of the conservative party, although there is some nuance around it. there are some labour mps who said it should be a broad church, but how broad is too broad? there are specific questions over the circumstances in which she became the mp for dover in 2019, all a bit messy, but she succeeded head then husband charlie who had been the mp for that seat for the best part of a decade after he was charged with sexual assault. decade after he was charged with sexualassault. he decade after he was charged with sexual assault. he was convicted and jailed and they are no longer married. nevertheless, some labour mps uneasy about some elements of that. . ~ mps uneasy about some elements of that. ., ~ , ., mps uneasy about some elements of that. . ~' , ;, , mps uneasy about some elements of that. ., ~ , ., , . ., that. 0k, thank you very much for brinuain that. 0k, thank you very much for bringing us _ that. 0k, thank you very much for bringing us up-to-date _ that. 0k, thank you very much
basically because natalie elphicke is quite right wing as they would see it, she was properly on the right of the conservative party, although there is some nuance around it. there are some labour mps who said it should be a broad church, but how broad is too broad? there are specific questions over the circumstances in which she became the mp for dover in 2019, all a bit messy, but she succeeded head then husband charlie who had been the mp for that seat for the best part of a decade after he...
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we elphicke. and lucy allen is standing down. ~ ., elphicke. and lucy allen is standing down. ~ . ., elphicke. and lucy allen is standing down. ~ ., ., , elphicke. and lucy allen is standing down. . . ., , . ., elphicke. and lucy allen is standing down. . . . ,~ ., elphicke. and lucy allen is standing down. . . ,~ ., ., down. we have a very clear plan that continues to — down. we have a very clear plan that continues to make _ down. we have a very clear plan that continues to make the _ down. we have a very clear plan that continues to make the process i down. we have a very clear plan that continues to make the process and l down. we have a very clear plan that. continues to make the process and we have no— continues to make the process and we have no plan— continues to make the process and we have no plan with keir starmer. diane _ have no plan with keir starmer. diane abbott, i have been very patient — diane abbott, i have been very patient. let me make point. what we are overlooking, it says more about keir starmer than diane abbott
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— assault and at the time natalie elphicke offered him public support and said _ elphicke offered him public support and said he was targeted by allegations because he was attractive, comments for which she has since _ attractive, comments for which she has since apologised but the allegation that emerged today is that she — allegation that emerged today is that she asked that then justice secretary to intervene in his trial and asked — secretary to intervene in his trial and asked the judge to move the date of the _ and asked the judge to move the date of the trial— and asked the judge to move the date of the trial as it was one of the first— of the trial as it was one of the first cases _ of the trial as it was one of the first cases after lockdown and she was worried it would receive undue publicity _ was worried it would receive undue publicity and robert buckland qc this is— publicity and robert buckland qc this is a — publicity and robert buckland qc this is a constitutional outrage and she was— this is a constitutional outrage and she was told in his words that it
— assault and at the time natalie elphicke offered him public support and said _ elphicke offered him public support and said he was targeted by allegations because he was attractive, comments for which she has since _ attractive, comments for which she has since apologised but the allegation that emerged today is that she — allegation that emerged today is that she asked that then justice secretary to intervene in his trial and asked — secretary to intervene in his trial and asked the...
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and natalie elphicke anything. and natalie elphicke joining the party, i think just proves that rudderless and without principle. >> go on then, kai. >> go on then, kai. >> i think in the infinite wisdom, though, the conservative party and the labour party are basically elected to political weathervanes, right? they change their mind depending on polling and focus grouping all the time. i think that is going to continue. but still, i think the argument against re—electing the conservative party remains strong. you know, we saw, yes, the labour party did well in the locals, not as well as they'd hoped. i'm sure that's going to continue, so no big upsets expected from this side. but i do hope that they actually get some, you know, get a grip. by the time they're elected. >> all right. dennis has commented, he says a broad church , more like a cesspool. church, more like a cesspool. yes. he didn't hold back . yes. he didn't hold back. anyway, we'll leave it there. that's a cable show there. and gb news, of course. s
and natalie elphicke anything. and natalie elphicke joining the party, i think just proves that rudderless and without principle. >> go on then, kai. >> go on then, kai. >> i think in the infinite wisdom, though, the conservative party and the labour party are basically elected to political weathervanes, right? they change their mind depending on polling and focus grouping all the time. i think that is going to continue. but still, i think the argument against re—electing...
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after natalie elphicke defected from the i elphicke defected from the conservatives to labour the conservatee party have lost their way somewhat locally, hearing that nigel faraj, it was the first place to root reenter that election campaign on a immigration policy, he knows all too well. , county counsellors in the room that would normally wear a blue rose at listening to the message he had to say and then afterwards saying to me they were considering perhaps defections. perhaps it would be the way to save their careers going forward. notjust from voters, but counsellors, too. trying to work out which way the public is blowing when it comes to immigration and most importantly the vote onjuly it comes to immigration and most importantly the vote on july the 4th. ., .,, , , , importantly the vote on july the 4th. ., , ,, ., , 4th. one of those stepping down, she announced yesterday _ 4th. one of those stepping down, she announced yesterday that _ 4th. one of those stepping down, she announced yesterday that she - 4th. one of those stepping down, she announced yesterday that she is - announced
after natalie elphicke defected from the i elphicke defected from the conservatives to labour the conservatee party have lost their way somewhat locally, hearing that nigel faraj, it was the first place to root reenter that election campaign on a immigration policy, he knows all too well. , county counsellors in the room that would normally wear a blue rose at listening to the message he had to say and then afterwards saying to me they were considering perhaps defections. perhaps it would be...
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now natalie elphicke remember her? a hard core conservative mp up until last week, whose husband, of course, was convicted of very serious sexual offences, voted for this amendment. so her vote as a labour mp tipped the balance. so there's various different ways of looking at this. some people are very unhappy because they think, what about innocent? until proven guilty? but plenty of mps are delighted because they feel there's a power imbalance in westminster and often very influential , very important. influential, very important. people can get away with all sorts of bad behaviour because they hold the power, so people like jess phillips, who was previously the shadow minister for safeguarding, was absolutely delighted. but in the debate yesterday she spoke quite powerfully. let's have a look at what she had to say today, just today, just on this one day. >> i've spoken to two women who were raped by members of this parliament, two just today. that's a fairly standard day for me. and i noticed that these are not the
now natalie elphicke remember her? a hard core conservative mp up until last week, whose husband, of course, was convicted of very serious sexual offences, voted for this amendment. so her vote as a labour mp tipped the balance. so there's various different ways of looking at this. some people are very unhappy because they think, what about innocent? until proven guilty? but plenty of mps are delighted because they feel there's a power imbalance in westminster and often very influential , very...
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natalie elphicke announced her decision in just two minutes before prime minister's questions this afternoon. the dover mp said rishi sunaks government is chaotic and claimed that labour has changed. dan poulter made the same switch less than a fortnight ago over the government's handling of the nhs. however, downing street has brushed off questions about whether the prime minister is concerned , reaffirming that concerned, reaffirming that rishi sunak is focused on the priorities of the british people. two men have been arrested and hundreds have been evacuated after a bomb squad was deployed to a village in south yorkshire . police say their yorkshire. police say their focus of the operation is a disused church building and adjoining house in grimethorpe. after the discovery of a number of suspicious items there, emergency services and explosives truck and an army robot remain at the scene tonight. roads within a 60 metre cordon are also still closed, with members of the public being asked to avoid the area for at least the next 72 hours. we've also heard tonight that the three men have be
natalie elphicke announced her decision in just two minutes before prime minister's questions this afternoon. the dover mp said rishi sunaks government is chaotic and claimed that labour has changed. dan poulter made the same switch less than a fortnight ago over the government's handling of the nhs. however, downing street has brushed off questions about whether the prime minister is concerned , reaffirming that concerned, reaffirming that rishi sunak is focused on the priorities of the...
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so, natalie elphicke lobbied lord chancellor to help her sex offender husband . so on the eve offender husband. so on the eve offender husband. so on the eve of her husband's criminal trial, a criminal trial for sex offences in july 2020, she arrived at the parliamentary office of robert robert buckland , who, as lord chancellor and justice secretary, was responsible for upholding the rule of law. and she said, look, i just want to come in for a chat about some points of law. it's nothing to do with him indoors . and she got in, shut indoors. and she got in, shut the doors and went right. my husband and he was appalled and said, i'm not getting involved in this. it's totally inappropriate, and then even once he was convicted, she was still trying to get him softer pillows in prison. i think she'd need some help. >> but the pillows. >> but the pillows. >> well, the article is. i mean, i wasn't there, but, yes . i wasn't there, but, yes. complaining that his prison conditions were inadequate and asking for him to be given a more comfortable bed and pillows. >> i me
so, natalie elphicke lobbied lord chancellor to help her sex offender husband . so on the eve offender husband. so on the eve offender husband. so on the eve of her husband's criminal trial, a criminal trial for sex offences in july 2020, she arrived at the parliamentary office of robert robert buckland , who, as lord chancellor and justice secretary, was responsible for upholding the rule of law. and she said, look, i just want to come in for a chat about some points of law. it's nothing to do...
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and natalie elphicke has apologised for saying her ex—husband was an easy target following his conviction for sexual assault. japan says it's to start hunting fin—whales as part of its commercial whaling operations. now with all the latest sport, here's gavin. we'll start with football and european action continues tonight — with aston villa the sole british club left in the latter stages of a competition, they're in action in the europa conference league semifinal. they have some work to do, if they're to reach the final. they trail olympiakos 4—2 before the second leg in greece, with their manager unai emery saying his side must handle a "difficult" atmosphere on what is the biggest game of their season. it will be difficult to come back, but this is a really good moment to watch, and we have to be competitive like they were at home against us, and improving on some things we didn't do. two semi—finals in the europa league later to tell you about later, as well. xabi alonso's bayer leverkusen team have won the bundesliga and reached
and natalie elphicke has apologised for saying her ex—husband was an easy target following his conviction for sexual assault. japan says it's to start hunting fin—whales as part of its commercial whaling operations. now with all the latest sport, here's gavin. we'll start with football and european action continues tonight — with aston villa the sole british club left in the latter stages of a competition, they're in action in the europa conference league semifinal. they have some work to...
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mrs elphicke was elected to her seat in 2019. she is the second tory to change to labour in the past two weeks. last month, conservative mp dr dan poulter announced he was leaving the party. you're live with bbc news. a new poll out of the battleground us state of wisconsin gives a slight edge to us presidentjoe biden in the upcoming presidential election. the poll from quinnipiac university shows mr biden leads the presumptive republican nominee, former president donald trump, 50% to 44% in a head—to—head match—up in the state. the poll shows mr trump leads on issues such as international conflict and the economy while mr biden is ahead on abortion and preserving democracy. president biden spoke in wisconsin on wednesday where he announced plans to build a $3.3 billion data centre that's expected to create thousands ofjobs. mrtrump, meanwhile, is in new york for a criminal trial where he's accused of falsifying business records to cover up a hush money payment to adult film star stormy daniels. but he visited wisconsin jus
mrs elphicke was elected to her seat in 2019. she is the second tory to change to labour in the past two weeks. last month, conservative mp dr dan poulter announced he was leaving the party. you're live with bbc news. a new poll out of the battleground us state of wisconsin gives a slight edge to us presidentjoe biden in the upcoming presidential election. the poll from quinnipiac university shows mr biden leads the presumptive republican nominee, former president donald trump, 50% to 44% in a...
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labour's new mp, natalie elphicke, apologised for comments she made about sexual assault. the mp for dover announced her defection from the tories to labour just moments before pmqs yesterday, but it's ignhed before pmqs yesterday, but it's ignited a backlash amongst some labour mps after comments miss elphick made in defence of her former partner, who was convicted of assaulting two women. however, the chair of the labour party, anneliese dodds, says mr elphick's been held to account. >> well, those were very , very >> well, those were very, very serious issues. the sexual assault that was rightly prosecuted. and of course there was a parliamentary process that followed that, including a parliamentary process that appued parliamentary process that applied to natalie elphicke. so it's absolutely right that there was accountability there. this is an incredibly important matter . every workplace, matter. every workplace, including parliament, has got to be free of sexual harassment. >> the number of people waiting for hospital treatment is still going up, despite the governm
labour's new mp, natalie elphicke, apologised for comments she made about sexual assault. the mp for dover announced her defection from the tories to labour just moments before pmqs yesterday, but it's ignhed before pmqs yesterday, but it's ignited a backlash amongst some labour mps after comments miss elphick made in defence of her former partner, who was convicted of assaulting two women. however, the chair of the labour party, anneliese dodds, says mr elphick's been held to account. >>...
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well, if natalie elphicke then who else ? the elphicke then who else? the problem is that all of these rumours are pretty unsubstantial . and of course, it's in labour's interest to talk up the idea of conservative mps defecting to the labour party. the conservative mps i've spoken to, perhaps unsurprisingly , have to, perhaps unsurprisingly, have roundly denied that they are in talks. one one. one former minister, possibly still a junior minister, will quince, had all sorts of messages from conservative colleagues saying no, you mustn't defect, you mustn't defect, etc. he was really quite upset by it. he felt that he's always been very loyal to the conservative party and had no plans to defect at all. so i think part of this is mischief making. but there certainly are names doing the rounds. there are rumours that john major is about to announce his defection to the labour party. i don't think that will come as a huge surprise. he was a conservative prime minister, but in every single intervention that he's made since, he has been definitively unhelpfu
well, if natalie elphicke then who else ? the elphicke then who else? the problem is that all of these rumours are pretty unsubstantial . and of course, it's in labour's interest to talk up the idea of conservative mps defecting to the labour party. the conservative mps i've spoken to, perhaps unsurprisingly , have to, perhaps unsurprisingly, have roundly denied that they are in talks. one one. one former minister, possibly still a junior minister, will quince, had all sorts of messages from...
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natalie elphicke starts her apology tour and eurovision gets nasty. also, we're hosting a night with headliners live and you can join us all for an evening of comedy with andrew doyle leo varadkar, simon evans and even josh. i was ianed simon evans and even josh. i was invited but i wasn't available. so for more information, scan the qr code on screen or visit gbnews.com. there it is. you got a fancy qr code which i forgot was coming up. i'll bring the chair. >> i'll bring the chair. >> i'll bring the chair. >> yeah, i've tweeted it as well. >> it made more sense to do my welcome back to headliners. i'm nick dixon, still here with josh howie and chris dan wootton. haven't bothered writing an extra joke for the second bit, but. so let's just crack on and do the metro , right? yeah. it's do the metro, right? yeah. it's fine. i'm comfortable with it. let's do the metro and this next story sounds like the most horrific thing we've ever covered. pretty much ever. but if you actually read it, it's even worse. josh, it sure is. >> man jailed for 22 years for
natalie elphicke starts her apology tour and eurovision gets nasty. also, we're hosting a night with headliners live and you can join us all for an evening of comedy with andrew doyle leo varadkar, simon evans and even josh. i was ianed simon evans and even josh. i was invited but i wasn't available. so for more information, scan the qr code on screen or visit gbnews.com. there it is. you got a fancy qr code which i forgot was coming up. i'll bring the chair. >> i'll bring the chair....
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natalie elphicke announced her decision in just two minutes before prime minister's questions thi5 before prime minister's questions this afternoon. the que5tion5 this afternoon. the dover mp 5aid ri5hi sunak5 government is chaotic and claimed that labour has changed. dan poulter made the same 5witch le55 dan poulter made the same 5witch less than a fortnight ago over the government's handling of the nhs. however, downing street has bru5hed off que5tion5 nhs. however, downing street has bru5hed...
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mrs elphicke was elected to her seat in 2019. she is the second tory to change to labour in the past two weeks. last month, conservative mp dr dan poulter announced he was leaving the party. both say they will not run in the upcoming general election. you're live with bbc news. china's president xijinping is in hungary on the final leg of his european tour. 0n arriving in budapest, he was greeted by hungarian prime minister viktor 0rban. president xi is expected to announce further economic ties between the two countries. hungary provides an important gateway for beijing into eu vehicle markets. earlier, xi visited belgrade, where serbia's president, aleksandar vucic, told thousands of supporters that beijing was a sincere friend and that serbia backs china's claim to sovereignty over taiwan. from budapest, our central europe correspondent nick thorpe has the latest. here in hungary, the third and final leg of his three—nation visit to europe, the chinese president will be hoping to drive home some of his main messages. notjust
mrs elphicke was elected to her seat in 2019. she is the second tory to change to labour in the past two weeks. last month, conservative mp dr dan poulter announced he was leaving the party. both say they will not run in the upcoming general election. you're live with bbc news. china's president xijinping is in hungary on the final leg of his european tour. 0n arriving in budapest, he was greeted by hungarian prime minister viktor 0rban. president xi is expected to announce further economic...
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on thursday, ms elphicke told the bbc she was committed to tackling violence against women. the bank of england has held interest rates at 5.25% — a 16 year high — but it's hinted that they could be cut in the coming months. the bank's governor, andrew bailey, said he was "optimistic things were moving in the right direction". king charles joked about being "allowed out of his cage" during a surprise visit to an army barracks in hampshire on thursday. he was speaking during a visit to the 3 royal school of military engineering at gibraltar barracks in minley. it's his latest engagement since returning to public duties after his cancer diagnosis earlier this year. you're live with bbc news. problems continue to mount for us aerospace company boeing — after another string of international safety incidents. on thursday morning, a boeing 737—300 passenger aircraft crashed during take—off in senegal. 11 people were injured when the plane ran off a runway and caught fire. separately, two investigations involving boeing planes are underway in turkey. when also on thursday
on thursday, ms elphicke told the bbc she was committed to tackling violence against women. the bank of england has held interest rates at 5.25% — a 16 year high — but it's hinted that they could be cut in the coming months. the bank's governor, andrew bailey, said he was "optimistic things were moving in the right direction". king charles joked about being "allowed out of his cage" during a surprise visit to an army barracks in hampshire on thursday. he was speaking...
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. >> tory defector natalie elphicke denies she lobbied the justice secretary over her then husband's sex offences trial. sir robert buckland claims the mp , who crossed the floor to mp, who crossed the floor to laboun mp, who crossed the floor to labour, requested the case to be moved to a lower profile court. speaking to the sunday times, he says she was told the request was completely inappropriate . was completely inappropriate. her spokesperson refuted the accusation, describing it as a nonsense. in the mail on sunday, mr elphicke ended the marriage when her husband was convicted of sexually assaulting two women and jailed for two years. applications have opened for funded childcare and expansion on the government's current offer for working families. parents of children who are older than nine months from september are now eligible for support. parents of two year olds have been able to access 15 hours of funded childcare since last month . the full rollout last month. the full rollout will see support increase to 30 hours a week by september next year. hours a week by september
. >> tory defector natalie elphicke denies she lobbied the justice secretary over her then husband's sex offences trial. sir robert buckland claims the mp , who crossed the floor to mp, who crossed the floor to laboun mp, who crossed the floor to labour, requested the case to be moved to a lower profile court. speaking to the sunday times, he says she was told the request was completely inappropriate . was completely inappropriate. her spokesperson refuted the accusation, describing it as...
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did you have a little cheer when natalie elphicke joined another party? well, just on the first part of your question, we have lived... politics has been through a very tumultuous, but also actually a very exciting time. the last nine years, since i've been in politics. and we had the brexit referendum. that was a huge constitutional change and we have delivered that. we've also had a once in a century pandemic with covid. it took an enormous toll on everyone. but we are through that and we are dealing with its consequences. but none of this was one nation conservative. there's a great war on the right of the tory party, with you in the one nation group barely having a prominent individual in those debates. well, again, for me, the conservative party, one of the joys of the conservative party is that we are... you know, we welcome robust debate. going back to the smoking bill, i welcome the fact that people are scrutinising my proposal to ban legal sales of cigarettes and tobacco to children as they grow older. i think that's absolutely the right thing to
did you have a little cheer when natalie elphicke joined another party? well, just on the first part of your question, we have lived... politics has been through a very tumultuous, but also actually a very exciting time. the last nine years, since i've been in politics. and we had the brexit referendum. that was a huge constitutional change and we have delivered that. we've also had a once in a century pandemic with covid. it took an enormous toll on everyone. but we are through that and we are...
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keir starmer has gone from embracing jeremy corbyn to natalie elphicke , all in the cynical elphicke, all in the cynical pursuit of power at any price. so labour have no ideas what they did have. they've u—turned on. >> the health secretary has defended the government's record on maternity care after a major new report revealed endemic failures at hospitals. it found mums to be are often treated as an inconvenience , with some an inconvenience, with some women mocked or shouted at and even denied pain relief. the birth trauma inquiry is calling for a national plan to improve services, led by a new maternity commissioner, who would report directly to the prime minister to the us. now and donald trump's former lawyer has taken to the witness stand at his criminal trial, michael cohen told jurors today he and a tabloid publisher blocked any negative stories that could damage trump's 2016 campaign. mr cohen used to be one of the former president's most trusted colleagues , but he's now the colleagues, but he's now the prosecution's star witness at the so—called hush money trial as it
keir starmer has gone from embracing jeremy corbyn to natalie elphicke , all in the cynical elphicke, all in the cynical pursuit of power at any price. so labour have no ideas what they did have. they've u—turned on. >> the health secretary has defended the government's record on maternity care after a major new report revealed endemic failures at hospitals. it found mums to be are often treated as an inconvenience , with some an inconvenience, with some women mocked or shouted at and...
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natalie elphicke announced her decision just two minutes before prime minister's questions. the dover mp said rishi sunaks government is chaotic and claims that labour has changed well . some of her has changed well. some of her now former conservative colleagues have been reposting old social media messages from natalie when she criticised laboun natalie when she criticised labour. dan poulter made the same switch to the conservative to labour rather less than a fortnight ago, when the conservative lost hundreds of councillors and the blackpool south by—election last week. speaking shortly after defecting , miss elphicke said that a labour government promises a brighter future. >> in 2019, the conservatives stood on a manifesto that was very much centre ground. but under rishi sunak they've abandoned the centre ground and broken many election promises. meanwhile, under keir starmer, labour have changed and i think that change is going to bring a much better future for our country. and that's why i'm so keen to join the labour party and play my part in bringing that import
natalie elphicke announced her decision just two minutes before prime minister's questions. the dover mp said rishi sunaks government is chaotic and claims that labour has changed well . some of her has changed well. some of her now former conservative colleagues have been reposting old social media messages from natalie when she criticised laboun natalie when she criticised labour. dan poulter made the same switch to the conservative to labour rather less than a fortnight ago, when the...
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charlie elphicke was found guilty of sexually assaulting two women in 2020. some labour mps had raised concerns about her saying he was "an easy target" for false allegations because he was "attractive". 0ur political editor, chris mason, has caught up with her. what do you say to your new colleagues who are upset about the remarks you made about your former husbands victims? it was incredibly difficult and stressful period but i do recognise that it was much worse for all of those people and those women who had to give evidence of that time and so, i would like to take the opportunity to apologise to them. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. the city of neom, a futuristic development planned for the saudi desert. it�*ll cost 500 billion us dollars, and is being built by dozens of western companies. but the uk foreign secretary, lord cameron, says he�*ll be looking into allegations the saudi government is using lethal force to clear ground to build the new city. it comes after bbc verify and a bbc eye investigation, found the authorities
charlie elphicke was found guilty of sexually assaulting two women in 2020. some labour mps had raised concerns about her saying he was "an easy target" for false allegations because he was "attractive". 0ur political editor, chris mason, has caught up with her. what do you say to your new colleagues who are upset about the remarks you made about your former husbands victims? it was incredibly difficult and stressful period but i do recognise that it was much worse for all...