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that he and allen weisselberg were acting on their own. they had weisselberg's handwriting all over this. >> literally. >> all over the bank statements and numbers. there's not much they can do with it. admit what they can't deny. they're going to be trying to get under michael cohen's skin all day, showing him to be the liar that he is. that they tried to get out on the direct. the prosecutors did a good job of deflating some of that. >> told us yesterday in prepping michael cohen for his congressional testimony, he would yell at him the way he expected republicans to yell at him. do you expect hoffinger, spend a year prepping him for this. >> yes, she's spent 20 years as a defense attorney. longer than she's been a prosecutor so i'm sure she beat him up a little bit and took care of him. the one thing, sorry, susan, i would have leaned more into his hatred for trump. he talked about a moral compass but he's been acting a fool on tiktok and wearing t-shirts. there's nothing wrong with saying yes, i hate him, he ruined my life. >> stormy d
that he and allen weisselberg were acting on their own. they had weisselberg's handwriting all over this. >> literally. >> all over the bank statements and numbers. there's not much they can do with it. admit what they can't deny. they're going to be trying to get under michael cohen's skin all day, showing him to be the liar that he is. that they tried to get out on the direct. the prosecutors did a good job of deflating some of that. >> told us yesterday in prepping michael...
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in so, let's say there is a juror who brings this piece of evidence, this weisselberg document and said, here it is. as you describe it, here is a smoking gun but you have another juror who says we don't have direct evidence of donald trump's participation. in the falsification of the records. what do you as a juror presented the document say in response? >> well there really are two responses. juries use common sense. this is a document written in him writing and divides by 12 it's all about map there is no reference to legal fees. why would donald trump lie and call them legal fears -- fees limited apparent that it is -- as a sitting president, donald trump wrote checks to michael cohen for $35,000 and the jury will have to say, where is any reference to legal fees? when donald trump posted a tweet that said reimbursement, that is also part of the evidence. a common sense juror decision would be they don't have to depend on michael cohen. that was my piece in real clear politics. they can look at that document say there is no reference to legal fees he lied about legal fees for this i
in so, let's say there is a juror who brings this piece of evidence, this weisselberg document and said, here it is. as you describe it, here is a smoking gun but you have another juror who says we don't have direct evidence of donald trump's participation. in the falsification of the records. what do you as a juror presented the document say in response? >> well there really are two responses. juries use common sense. this is a document written in him writing and divides by 12 it's all...
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what do you do with a witness like allen weisselberg? but there were three people allegedly involved in this conspiracy. >> once the defendant ones and riker's and one is michael cohen, which is why this testimony and how they handle it, how he establishes credibility, and potentially how the defense under cuts it really will decide this case. well, if the judge is cleared this morning on that very point that you could not bring in that agreement that weisselberg and sign just for the purpose of showing that he was not available hello. bowl. that's that can't cut it for the actual jurors. it would not move the needle according to the judge, paula kristen standby, wolf laura, thank you very much. i'd only months ago, michael cohen described setting up the company that would be used to pay stormy daniels is just one day later, he testified about appearing with me in the situation room. are show here on cnn and said he was acting as a surrogate for then candidate donald trump. i remember that interview with cone. i remember it. well, the ac
what do you do with a witness like allen weisselberg? but there were three people allegedly involved in this conspiracy. >> once the defendant ones and riker's and one is michael cohen, which is why this testimony and how they handle it, how he establishes credibility, and potentially how the defense under cuts it really will decide this case. well, if the judge is cleared this morning on that very point that you could not bring in that agreement that weisselberg and sign just for the...
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it's allen weisselberg's writing. that's on that document that jeff mcconney, the controller at the trump organization, testified to see you right now. as you can see, they're plus $50,000. that's what he said about right now to red finch for tech services. obviously the only about $20,000 that he paid them. and cohen says that they wanted the full payment of $50,000. did they accept the money they received? cohen says, yes, sir. >> in response to i think what they're trying to do here is add confusion to something that is a actual physical thing. i mean, this is allen weisselberg's handwriting with actual numbers, which adds up to the crime that trump is being charged with here. and if todd blanche can money this up, although this is interesting, this is so says question to you, stole from the trump organization asking noting cohen was reimbursed $100,000. he's trying to make cohen look shady in the way that he was being paid back, how much he was being paid back, you didn't just deal but $30,000 because it was gross
it's allen weisselberg's writing. that's on that document that jeff mcconney, the controller at the trump organization, testified to see you right now. as you can see, they're plus $50,000. that's what he said about right now to red finch for tech services. obviously the only about $20,000 that he paid them. and cohen says that they wanted the full payment of $50,000. did they accept the money they received? cohen says, yes, sir. >> in response to i think what they're trying to do here is...
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it's weisselberg's assistant. this gets to the alleged crime, which is the false bookkeeping. a lot of legal experts, you guys who are all the lawyers, many of you are saying, why this all -- all this diverse. you didn't need to call stormy daniels. katie, i don't know what your take is. they are now getting to the core of the case, which is how these transactions allegedly were made, the coverup, allegedly. >> it's kind of -- we see it was a detour calling stormy daniels. twofold. everybody expected a name witness to come. that was stormy daniels. there's this idea that the prosecution started strong with david pecker. to the extent the evidence about the underlying business records, we heard from deborah tarasoff who provided evidence that there was this falsification process that was going on at trump organization. to your point, that is the reminder to the jury that this case is about 34 felonies of falsification of business records. when you call necessary witnesses, the people that did the booking of these entries, that handled the paperwork, these are the people that ac
it's weisselberg's assistant. this gets to the alleged crime, which is the false bookkeeping. a lot of legal experts, you guys who are all the lawyers, many of you are saying, why this all -- all this diverse. you didn't need to call stormy daniels. katie, i don't know what your take is. they are now getting to the core of the case, which is how these transactions allegedly were made, the coverup, allegedly. >> it's kind of -- we see it was a detour calling stormy daniels. twofold....
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we bring weisselberg in outside the presence of the jury and we question them. blanche, without in a heartbeat, jumped up. he's not on the witnesses list, judge. we're not ready for him. we don't ever so obvious he was he was objecting and i'm michele sun. and the way shawn does it, he looked at him and he said, oh, so this is the first time you're considering that allen weisselberg might be a witness in this case after michigan did that. and it was obvious he could have brought them in if he wanted. he not interested in bringing them in to try and say this is peculiarly under the control of the government so you get that charge or charge author that's why don't see it. >> neither. i mean, it's in that instance, neither side wanted whilst weisselberg to come in, not to mention the fact that even if we're also weisselberg were to testify, it's not clear that he would be a witness for the prosecution. that is not clear. >> the fence welcome in summation to the harp on the interstate, you don't want they don't want him to come in either. >> summation, it's too late
we bring weisselberg in outside the presence of the jury and we question them. blanche, without in a heartbeat, jumped up. he's not on the witnesses list, judge. we're not ready for him. we don't ever so obvious he was he was objecting and i'm michele sun. and the way shawn does it, he looked at him and he said, oh, so this is the first time you're considering that allen weisselberg might be a witness in this case after michigan did that. and it was obvious he could have brought them in if he...
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so where's allen weisselberg? prosecutors didn't bring him to you? where's he wears? keith schiller. they came that keith schiller was on the phone. they were talking about these payments and so on. where's keith schiller? i mean, that's the way you do it, which of course implies that prosecutors could have brought them and should have brought them and didn't bring them. and then the question is we were talking about this before. what kind of instructions do prosecutors get? about keith schiller who either side could have called if they wanted to. they'll probably get a missing witness charged with respect to him. but with allen weisselberg, who of course is in prison for perjury, having lied to protect donald trump at a previous trial, and who also would presumably invoke the fifth, right. and of course has the severance agreement where he's agreed not to voluntarily cooperate with law enforcement or he forgoes $2 million. so there are lots of reasons he's not there. the question is, if the defense raises it like that, i have to assume the judge gives an unavailable
so where's allen weisselberg? prosecutors didn't bring him to you? where's he wears? keith schiller. they came that keith schiller was on the phone. they were talking about these payments and so on. where's keith schiller? i mean, that's the way you do it, which of course implies that prosecutors could have brought them and should have brought them and didn't bring them. and then the question is we were talking about this before. what kind of instructions do prosecutors get? about keith...
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they have allen weisselberg's writing on them. he may not testified but it does not matter because the documents are there. >> you're both talking about the documents and how the trump defense and the doubt they want to and still runs into the brick wall. that is why the da has been having momentum. joe was donald trump's lawyer in the new york case until he left. we asked him -- if you are defense, no fraud because it was true. the problem, the money did not stay with the lawyer. it passed to the lawyer and went to stormy daniels. it was not money for the lawyer, it was money for her. from a legal perspective you have the cfo and he literally writes down his plot on paper and says let's lie and commit tax fraud. here was that exchange. >> is stormy daniels a lawyer? >> i do not think she was. i do not think the lawyer was either. >> she's not and the payments were made. according to federal filings, classified on the trump side as legal services. that was false, wasn't it? >> the payment was made to a lawyer, not stormy daniels.
they have allen weisselberg's writing on them. he may not testified but it does not matter because the documents are there. >> you're both talking about the documents and how the trump defense and the doubt they want to and still runs into the brick wall. that is why the da has been having momentum. joe was donald trump's lawyer in the new york case until he left. we asked him -- if you are defense, no fraud because it was true. the problem, the money did not stay with the lawyer. it...
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the weisselberg notes i think they are the smoking gun evidence and i think he dove into a minefield without a plan to get to get through it. >> do you think he should not have even brought those up? >> if anything? i wouldn't he like lead with it. right that's not those documents are not his strong suit. >> and i anticipated and then i tours steinglass just went to town. he really he got to a plus on that bolt documents up you've got weisselberg's handwriting on the documents, laying out the scheme, the $420,000 you got mcconney on a separate document number 36, with his handwriting, parroting the same scheme and just so we have a trifecta on 35, you got cohen's handwriting, two and one thing that steinglass seemed to drill in on was he was making fun of todd blanche. >> that was kinda the tone that he tried to adopt the whole time, but he was saying this idea that toddler and she's arguing that because these documents exist, show that no crime was committed here, that no documents were falsified because you can see them. he was saying they're never be a business falsification case
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neither side wanted whilst weisselberg to come in, not to mention the fact that even if whilst weisselberg were to testify, it's not clear that he would be a witness for the prosecution, and that is not clear. the fence information thanks. harp on the you don't want they don't want him to come in either summation, it's too late. i'd say like with weisselberg said writing is exhibit 35, judge. dreiser's really upset about this. it's all his head hi, folks. they have the bird. they did that with some other witnesses they made that point, right. blanche basically made that point on a number of occasions saying the prosecution they didn't bring in any lawmakers to talk about the impact of the access hollywood tape. they didn't bring in that person. they didn't bring in this person. they did it i've obliquely but they did not do it for weisselberg and i thought that was extremely notable the most ridiculous example of this was when the defense task, the prosecution with not bringing again, don junior eric, it was another one because they were all so people who sign is tired. >> and arthur, i ca
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andrew, the question about weisselberg. i assume this article was correct and because based on the jury transcript that the defense and prosecution said no need for weisselberg. >> right. the idea with weisselberg is the prosecution wasn't expecting him to be beneficial enough and the defense was thinking he would be too damaging to them. it doesn't mean the defense can't argue the absence of evidence. the absence of evidence can be the idea of reasonable doubt without this coming in. think of a surveillance video. without getting the surveillance video or someone who refuses to testify or they simply didn't call them. if you will find proof beyond a reasonable doubt you will have had to heard the accountant and the rationale. without that testimony you have a doubt as to what happened. that's perfectly fair in a closing argument in a criminal case. >> bill: maria now. before the jury entered the judge asked the parties not to go into the law quote that will be my job. sorry. dana and i ask dumb questions about law all the
andrew, the question about weisselberg. i assume this article was correct and because based on the jury transcript that the defense and prosecution said no need for weisselberg. >> right. the idea with weisselberg is the prosecution wasn't expecting him to be beneficial enough and the defense was thinking he would be too damaging to them. it doesn't mean the defense can't argue the absence of evidence. the absence of evidence can be the idea of reasonable doubt without this coming in....
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but weisselberg is not there? >> yes, you can get some of the evidence from different sources, and that's what the people are obviously doing with hope hicks. she is testifying about weisselberg's involvement with financial disclosures, she is identifying all the characters and all their roles in the trump organization, everyone from rhona graff, she is talking about how it is a closely knit organization, how people are involved, what each person's involvement is, so it validates their own testimony, remember, rhona graff already testified and now you have hope hicks validating essentially authenticating rhona graff's involvement and what she knows. and then the same thing with allen weisselberg, because allen weisselberg is not here, she can testify about his involvement and then later on, the prosecution presumably will blend all that authenticity together with documents and witness testimony, really all in service of shoring up whatever credibility holes you might get through a witness like michael cohen, or, e
but weisselberg is not there? >> yes, you can get some of the evidence from different sources, and that's what the people are obviously doing with hope hicks. she is testifying about weisselberg's involvement with financial disclosures, she is identifying all the characters and all their roles in the trump organization, everyone from rhona graff, she is talking about how it is a closely knit organization, how people are involved, what each person's involvement is, so it validates their...
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weisselberg's state in front of mr. trump that you are going to receive $420,000 over the course of 12 months, cohen? yes. >> hoffinger. and what, if anything, did mr. trump's say at the time? cohen says he approved it and he also said this is going to be one heck of a ride in dc question from hoffinger. and did missile weisselberg say in front of mr. trump that those monthly payments would be, you know, like a retainer for legal services. michael cohen says yes. >> so why laura coates is that the most critical testimony from the day? >> well, because we're talking about 34 counts of falsifying business records. the heart is not whether there was an affair or whether the allegations were true about either karen mcdougal are surely daniel's is about whether or not they intentionally falsified records to suggest that this was more than what mcconney talked two batches, simple dropdown menu or options where this i had to put legal services down. it was an intentional act. he is alleging, of course, you're talking about alw
weisselberg's state in front of mr. trump that you are going to receive $420,000 over the course of 12 months, cohen? yes. >> hoffinger. and what, if anything, did mr. trump's say at the time? cohen says he approved it and he also said this is going to be one heck of a ride in dc question from hoffinger. and did missile weisselberg say in front of mr. trump that those monthly payments would be, you know, like a retainer for legal services. michael cohen says yes. >> so why laura...
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whether or not weisselberg will be called as a witness or why not. >> we're presuming that allen weisselberg has any information helpful to the district attorney. if they thought he had helpful information, they would immune eyes him and bring him in to testify. the fact they haven't done one leads one to conclude maybe weisselberg doesn't have information to help him, perhaps it helps donald trump. >> bill: if you are a juror and deliberating behind closed doors, don't you want to know why weisselberg hasn't been called? yes, i think you would. i think the assumption is more than obvious. you don't call someone like michael cohen if you have any alternative. and if you do call michael cohen, you call anyone else that you can use to support anything that he has said. the fact that they have not brought weisselberg, who is just about 15 minutes away from the courthouse, indicates that he would not support the prosecution case but presumably add support to trump's defense. the question for the jury is what do they take from this? weisselberg is becoming the kaiser of witnesses. everyone is ref
whether or not weisselberg will be called as a witness or why not. >> we're presuming that allen weisselberg has any information helpful to the district attorney. if they thought he had helpful information, they would immune eyes him and bring him in to testify. the fact they haven't done one leads one to conclude maybe weisselberg doesn't have information to help him, perhaps it helps donald trump. >> bill: if you are a juror and deliberating behind closed doors, don't you want to...
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they are in evidence and they have weisselberg's writing on them. he may not testify, but it does not matter because the documents are there. >> you are both talking about the documents and how the trump defense or the doubt they want to instill really runs into that brick wall and that is why the da has been having momentum. joe was a lawyer in the new york case until he left. we did speak with him and i asked him about that. if your defense was like this is money for a lawyer or a retainer and there was no fraud because it was true, the problem is the money did not stay with the loyal. it passes through the lawyer and went to stormy daniels. it was -- to add insult to injury, you have the cfo, talking about taking him out of rikers and he literally writes his plot on paper and says, let's gross it up. let's lie. let's commit tax friday -- fraud. here is joseph tacopina. >> i do not think she is a lawyer. >> she is not a lawyer and these payments were made and they were, according to federal filings, classified on the trump side as legal services.
they are in evidence and they have weisselberg's writing on them. he may not testify, but it does not matter because the documents are there. >> you are both talking about the documents and how the trump defense or the doubt they want to instill really runs into that brick wall and that is why the da has been having momentum. joe was a lawyer in the new york case until he left. we did speak with him and i asked him about that. if your defense was like this is money for a lawyer or a...
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and allen weisselberg. and see for that example 5 b. the president of the united states thus wrote a personal check for the payment of hush money as part of a criminal scheme to violate campaign finance laws. and you can find the details of that scheme directed by mr. trump in the pleadings in the u.s. district court for the southern district of new york. so picture in scene. in february of 2017, one month into his presidency, i'm visiting president trump in the oval office for the first time. and it's truly you a inspiring. he is showing me all around and pointing to different paintings. and he says to me something to the effect of, don't worry, michael, your january and february reimbursement checks are coming. they were fedexed from new york. and it takes a while for that to get through the white house system. as he promised, i received the first check for the reimbursement of $70,000 not long there after. when i say conman, i'm talking about a man who declares himself brilliant but directed me to threaten his high school, his colleg
and allen weisselberg. and see for that example 5 b. the president of the united states thus wrote a personal check for the payment of hush money as part of a criminal scheme to violate campaign finance laws. and you can find the details of that scheme directed by mr. trump in the pleadings in the u.s. district court for the southern district of new york. so picture in scene. in february of 2017, one month into his presidency, i'm visiting president trump in the oval office for the first time....
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did you express that anger to weisselberg? cohen, in some uncolorful language expressed how truly pissed off and angry i truly was. this makes no sense at all, i used quite a few expletives. hoffinger, and did the execs get it? what did he say? take it easy, mr. trump loves -- he's going to do right by you. we'll make it right. did he tell you when he would make it right? after the holiday when everybody returned to the office, did your anger have an impact? i think it did. did you express your upsweat david pecker -- upset with david pecker? i'm sure i did. that is the way this conversation is going. so this is pre-butting the examination that he was ticked off. >> color from inside the courtroom. trump is completely innorring cohen as -- ignoring cohen as he is testifying right now. all right. so it has been quite a day. we have seen a lot of testimony from michael cohen. we are going to see some more testimony from michael cohen before court ends today. he will be back likely on the stand tomorrow, according to the prosecut
did you express that anger to weisselberg? cohen, in some uncolorful language expressed how truly pissed off and angry i truly was. this makes no sense at all, i used quite a few expletives. hoffinger, and did the execs get it? what did he say? take it easy, mr. trump loves -- he's going to do right by you. we'll make it right. did he tell you when he would make it right? after the holiday when everybody returned to the office, did your anger have an impact? i think it did. did you express your...
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alan weisselberg. both cohen and weisselberg at some point have done jail time because of donald trump. what do you make of the prosecution's handling of that and do you think that weisselberg's actions somehow could come back to bite the prosecution or be a problem for them? >> i'll answer first, i don't think it's going to be a problem because weisselberg is in jail and weisselberg is really a soldier, and kind of sticking with what we were just discussing, who was there outside of court, we have senators showing up, it's all about loyalty and we learned that donald trump puts first and foremost not necessarily ethics are not necessarily good business skill set, it's about loyalty. weisselberg is not going to come on that stand and sell out donald trump, true or not he wasn't going to say anything bad. that's why he's doing time. that's what he was accused and ultimately convicted of lying himself. i don't think that not having them there is going to adversely impact the case. i think if the prosecut
alan weisselberg. both cohen and weisselberg at some point have done jail time because of donald trump. what do you make of the prosecution's handling of that and do you think that weisselberg's actions somehow could come back to bite the prosecution or be a problem for them? >> i'll answer first, i don't think it's going to be a problem because weisselberg is in jail and weisselberg is really a soldier, and kind of sticking with what we were just discussing, who was there outside of...
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you then have weisselberg's writing working it out where you could expect weisselberg to be the key person. so it's exploiting something a little bit dishonestly you could say, but not improperly. pounding the table and saying where is weisselberg? you could see it. as i say, i've thought the whole few weeks what their real defect has been, they haven't had a story to present to the jury. this third man defense would be a story. >> okay. so catherine, let's turn to the prosecution. the state called 20 witnesses. they entered more than 200 exhibits. now they've got to weave it all together. how do you expect them to do that and is the biggest danger getting too complicated? give the jury a simple story they can understand. >> i was pleased to hear just not that i'm biased, but joshua steinglass is giving the summation. he has a good way of jurors and a good way of keeping it simple stupid. so he will, it's actually much easier for the prosecution. they're going to do a narrative and they're going to, he might remind them at the beginning during opening statements, his colleague said this wa
you then have weisselberg's writing working it out where you could expect weisselberg to be the key person. so it's exploiting something a little bit dishonestly you could say, but not improperly. pounding the table and saying where is weisselberg? you could see it. as i say, i've thought the whole few weeks what their real defect has been, they haven't had a story to present to the jury. this third man defense would be a story. >> okay. so catherine, let's turn to the prosecution. the...
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weisselberg is not far from here. he is sitting in a rikers jail. but the prosecution did not call him. most of us are assuming weisselberg was not called because he wouldn't of confirmed what cohen said and we will see what they do with that. >> john: i've been talking with people who were close to president trump and represented him in the past and they thought that if weisselberg were called, he has never dropped a dime on trump and he has never rolled on him, that he might just say everything that cohen has been saying is bs on the jury shouldn't believe a word of it and really, todd blanche obviously had to lay down a lot of covering fire and a lot of different directions because he does not know the underlying crime that the prosecution will articulate in the closing arguments. but he iterated and laid out for the jury ten reasons why there is reasonable doubt culminating with number ten in which he said michael cohen, he is the human embodiment of reasonable doubt. he lied to you repeatedly, he is biased and motivated. he says he's the kind o
weisselberg is not far from here. he is sitting in a rikers jail. but the prosecution did not call him. most of us are assuming weisselberg was not called because he wouldn't of confirmed what cohen said and we will see what they do with that. >> john: i've been talking with people who were close to president trump and represented him in the past and they thought that if weisselberg were called, he has never dropped a dime on trump and he has never rolled on him, that he might just say...
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what struck me is the allen weisselberg. they wrote out how the reimbursement would work which presumably for the prosecution is pretty dampening. >> its strong. at some point, we will get into the question of how formidable is the testimony of michael cohen going to be? i think the prosecution has done a great job of laying the foundation of cooperation before michael cohen's testimony. he will come on the stan essay was not legal fees or a retainer. it was not legal services before this other purpose which prosecution alleges was illegal. rather than cooperating after the fact, they cooperated before the fact. is you when i and others have been talking about for months now, michael cohen has baggage. every witness who is testified to knows michael cohen has asked the question, has set the bar so low for michael cohen, i don't know he has to do as much as we have anticipated he needs to do. >> let me ask about the gag order. the judge threatened, if he violates his, he could put him in jail. what does that look like? it cou
what struck me is the allen weisselberg. they wrote out how the reimbursement would work which presumably for the prosecution is pretty dampening. >> its strong. at some point, we will get into the question of how formidable is the testimony of michael cohen going to be? i think the prosecution has done a great job of laying the foundation of cooperation before michael cohen's testimony. he will come on the stan essay was not legal fees or a retainer. it was not legal services before this...
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because allen weisselberg is the connection to trump. there is no doubt that -- there should be doubt that he will actually take the stand. president trump will unlikely take the stand. the prosecutor has to show somehow these conversations are taking place with allen as an agent of trump. we know from the testimony yesterday morning michael cohen said that allen weisselberg worked very closely with former president trump. anything to do with the finances, they worked very closely together. so a conversation that michael cohen has with allen weisselberg imputes some criminality to trump. this is direct examination. from everyone that saw the examination, he was smooth, articulate, unemotional. he did what he needed to do as a prosecutor's key witness. >> bill: what i hear from turley and mccarthy is the consistent chime of where is the crime? can you identify it yet? >> i defer to them. they are the actual legal experts. i have been watching the program, listening to both of those gentlemen and others for days talk about this second crim
because allen weisselberg is the connection to trump. there is no doubt that -- there should be doubt that he will actually take the stand. president trump will unlikely take the stand. the prosecutor has to show somehow these conversations are taking place with allen as an agent of trump. we know from the testimony yesterday morning michael cohen said that allen weisselberg worked very closely with former president trump. anything to do with the finances, they worked very closely together. so...
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there's nothing about legal fees by weisselberg. that's the document that a jury could reasonably conclude. creates guilt and intent by donald trump. why would he lie and call them legal fees when he perfectly well knew he was reimbursing michael cohen, 12 times, as is sitting president, writing checks for $35,000 personally to michael cohen. >> work continuing lanny to watch the prosecution's closing arguments, right? >> now. they're not referencing hope hicks testimony, calling it devastating and saying she burst into tears because she realized how bad the testimony was for trump. what are your thoughts on that? hope picks a former top aide to trump to let me put myself again in the jury room and by the way, if they acquit mr. trump, i will respect that verdict whatever the verdict is, i will respect doesn't matter if it's in wyoming are red state or new york city a blue state. so what will they say about hope hicks? the two questions in this case, one is where they legal fees. of course they weren't the payment that weisselberg w
there's nothing about legal fees by weisselberg. that's the document that a jury could reasonably conclude. creates guilt and intent by donald trump. why would he lie and call them legal fees when he perfectly well knew he was reimbursing michael cohen, 12 times, as is sitting president, writing checks for $35,000 personally to michael cohen. >> work continuing lanny to watch the prosecution's closing arguments, right? >> now. they're not referencing hope hicks testimony, calling it...
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weisselberg, was a risk to both sides. if he wasn't a risk to both sides, one of the sides would have called him. i have gone around and around with friends of mine, former prosecutors and defense attorneys. we are a bit puzzled, but we have arrived at the conclusion that it was too unpredictable. if it was predictable, someone would have called him. >> katy tur, we have to let you go back. as we are hearing from inside the courtroom, that the jury shows no reaction, let me ask you about your observations of donald trump. were there times when, as some of our folks who are inside the courtroom seem to suggest, that todd blanche made statements that seemed to be playing to the client? >> i mean, he talked about how donald trump was the former president a lot. he mentioned his time in the white house, trying to both placate his client but put in the jury's mind that this is not a normal defendant. the weight of the decision on their shoulders to potentially make donald trump the first former president to be convicted of a cr
weisselberg, was a risk to both sides. if he wasn't a risk to both sides, one of the sides would have called him. i have gone around and around with friends of mine, former prosecutors and defense attorneys. we are a bit puzzled, but we have arrived at the conclusion that it was too unpredictable. if it was predictable, someone would have called him. >> katy tur, we have to let you go back. as we are hearing from inside the courtroom, that the jury shows no reaction, let me ask you about...
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there is no sign yet that alan weisselberg's testimony will be allowed into court. he is the one that really knows how the checks got cut. and unless and until he is brought before the court to explain why these were labeled as legal expenses. is it michael cohen's word against not even trump's word because he may not testify but is it just the jury taking michael cohen at his word? >> john and sandra, thank you for having me. it's fascinating to watch a prosecution be so willing to put a convicted perjurer on the stand and there's no question on my mind that some of the first questioning is going to be about obviously his inconsistencies, the lies that he has told. but you will notice something intriguing is happening. he is trying to lay the foundation for him actually not being trump's lawyer. to articulate that he was something different. and the reason is not just because he needs to paint donald trump as the micromanager, he can't afford in a case like this advice of counsel is an actual defense. he is trying very desperately to separate himself from the pract
there is no sign yet that alan weisselberg's testimony will be allowed into court. he is the one that really knows how the checks got cut. and unless and until he is brought before the court to explain why these were labeled as legal expenses. is it michael cohen's word against not even trump's word because he may not testify but is it just the jury taking michael cohen at his word? >> john and sandra, thank you for having me. it's fascinating to watch a prosecution be so willing to put a...
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not calling allen weisselberg was the right call, we now know. he had to know it was the right call after the fact. we have to sit here knowing everything that was the right call by alvin bragg in this case. he had to know ahead of time. he could have said to josh steinglass, a 4 1/2 hour closing is too much. i need you to cut two hours. he didn't do that. he built his team, trusted his team and knew his team was capable of doing the perfect job they had to do to get to all counts guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and this is the story and in that room was the story of these two kids who grew up in new york. one, maybe the most spoiled brat in the history of american spoiled brats, donald trump. across the aisle from him is alvin bragg. alvin bragg grew up on a block in harlem that is called strivers road. his mother and father met in a small town in virginia in the eighth grade. they went to separate colleges. alvin bragg senior went to syracuse university. they came to new york and worked as professionals and they all have high hopes for the kid
not calling allen weisselberg was the right call, we now know. he had to know it was the right call after the fact. we have to sit here knowing everything that was the right call by alvin bragg in this case. he had to know ahead of time. he could have said to josh steinglass, a 4 1/2 hour closing is too much. i need you to cut two hours. he didn't do that. he built his team, trusted his team and knew his team was capable of doing the perfect job they had to do to get to all counts guilty beyond...
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people around trump would be like allen weisselberg. they would be so loyal, they were willing to go to jail twice for their boss. what we're seeing now is the end game of that. prosecutors trying to bring those very loyal long time people in and make them tell their piece of the story. so far, as you said, for prosecutors, with the exception of weisselberg, everybody else has sort of been willing to come and tell what they know. they're not telling as much as cohen, but not shying from telling their piece of the story, and slowly connecting the dots to donald trump. >> david farrenfeld, and michael, we have to go to the briefing because right now we are hearing about the deal to potentially have a cease fire in the gaza war, but the parameters of the deal we heard from john kirby, the national security communications advisers are not going to be revealed right now. let's listen to what he is saying. >> again, without speaking about the details of the response by hamas, i think it's safe to conclude that that response came as a result o
people around trump would be like allen weisselberg. they would be so loyal, they were willing to go to jail twice for their boss. what we're seeing now is the end game of that. prosecutors trying to bring those very loyal long time people in and make them tell their piece of the story. so far, as you said, for prosecutors, with the exception of weisselberg, everybody else has sort of been willing to come and tell what they know. they're not telling as much as cohen, but not shying from telling...
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if you were going to testify, donald, then where is allen weisselberg. why don't you have him explain your side of the story? you knew that was also a loose cannon as well. i think the jury, you never underestimate their intelligence and their common sense. they leave, you're supposed to leave certain biased and prejudices at the door, and your consider cloaked with the presumption of innocence, but we know they're not stupid and ignorant about the reality of who donald trump is. maybe they wanted to hear from donald because i think it's human nature to want to hear from the other side, but i don't think anybody credibly believed he was going to take the stand. >> let me play lady davis who used to represent michael cohen. i want to get your take on what you think the actual closings will sound like. >> the facts speak without michael cohen, he confirms but he doesn't need to be believed because he's corroborated. fact one, mr. pecker and hope hicks say that the money paid to stormy daniels was politically motivated. that's a fact from their testimony. f
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we're the prosecution needs to be and i say that because they also talked about allen weisselberg. and his input into what would be done and setting up the company and even the tape recording that we heard from cohen when he taped record his client, which i thought was ridiculous, but that to me was sort of a it really cut both ways, frankly, i think more for them defense because it says we have talked to al and everything's fine. this is what we're gonna do. and then he tells the jury today and in the court, he says, i told trap and i kept him up to date on everything that was going on except the fact that he was taping him i mean, these line again, he's already started lottery. i don't think they've gotten there. they've got to get to the place where they say he looked trump knew that the records are gonna be phosphide. he had actually some some input and direction into that specific part, not just pay it off is formal relationship, but he had a real hand in falsifying these records or directing someone to do that, not just to clean up his mess, it was outside of his marriage. >>
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did and what donald trump did, because allen weisselberg has served time? >> well, yes, he has. they were similarly situated defendants there, coconspirators, if you will. that's where sentencing comes in. you look at who the person is. you're looking at allen weisselberg, he didn't go to trial. he took a plea. the judge who has now sat through an entire trial and has a chance to observe the defendant in the manner in which he's handled this, which is quite frankly, un-american, and tear down the institutions, that's something he could consider. that wasn't what he had with weisselberg. >> do you think a nonviolent first offender would still get a possible jail sentence? >> also one who has never suggested remorse, which is something we often see. >> has not been remorseful. >>> and allen weisselberg has served time. would you recommend jail? >> that's a fair question and i'm going to tell you there's balancing in every decision the judge makes. the balance will be here too. the judge in this case has to look at this defendant. sure, he will look at what ha
did and what donald trump did, because allen weisselberg has served time? >> well, yes, he has. they were similarly situated defendants there, coconspirators, if you will. that's where sentencing comes in. you look at who the person is. you're looking at allen weisselberg, he didn't go to trial. he took a plea. the judge who has now sat through an entire trial and has a chance to observe the defendant in the manner in which he's handled this, which is quite frankly, un-american, and tear...
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guilt had already been corroborate and proven through other witnesses include exhibits, through allen weisselberg's notes on the actual documents that were actually the bank records that michael cohen had. the notes about how the repayment would be made. all of these things. so i think that is going to be very, very important for them. the defense on the other hand is going to hammer michael cohen's credibility and try to suggest that michael cohen was acting completely independently to the extent there was a conspiracy here, it was a conspiracy between michael cohen and david pecker and, you know, keith davidson, but not donald trump. >> the michael cohen acting
guilt had already been corroborate and proven through other witnesses include exhibits, through allen weisselberg's notes on the actual documents that were actually the bank records that michael cohen had. the notes about how the repayment would be made. all of these things. so i think that is going to be very, very important for them. the defense on the other hand is going to hammer michael cohen's credibility and try to suggest that michael cohen was acting completely independently to the...
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signed off on the repayment scheme in a meeting at trump tower with former trump organization cfo allen weisselberg, cohen walked the jury through the 34 allegedly falsified five documents testifying there was no retainer agreement. the money was payback for the daniels deal. >> there's $35,000 check was one of 11 check installments that was paid throughout the year while he was president, the president of the united states thus wrote a personal check for the payment of hush money as part of a criminal scheme to violate campaign finance laws. >> trump attorney todd blanche has used cohen's own words to bolster their defense that cohen would say anything to take trump down and is out for revenge are truly and hope that this man ends up in prison that closing arguments are expected to go all day tomorrow and then on wednesday, the judge expects to instruct the jury on the law. >> that is what the prosecution
signed off on the repayment scheme in a meeting at trump tower with former trump organization cfo allen weisselberg, cohen walked the jury through the 34 allegedly falsified five documents testifying there was no retainer agreement. the money was payback for the daniels deal. >> there's $35,000 check was one of 11 check installments that was paid throughout the year while he was president, the president of the united states thus wrote a personal check for the payment of hush money as part...
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. >> how meaningful is it allen weisselberg won't testify in this? trump is the only the person of that potential-- >> and he's not going to take the stand, so the evidence stands. to ari's point what the jury did today, though, if michael cohen gets a search warrant executed on his home, and stuff gets taken from his home and law firm, right? why are you scrambling if you are trump to make sure that michael cohen, it's okay, i'm going to take care of you, and then you look at costello, sleep well tonight, because you have friends in high places, why are you trying so hard to protect michael cohen, unless he is a critical part of a conspiracy, or something you've done wrong, you want to keep him quiet and keep him close, because you want to know if he's going to flip, and the jury heard that. >> one thing that also, to your point about the criminal intent, which is that this underlying crime is this intent to commit essentially an election crime-- there have been a few moments from this trial where, the presence of that is in the ether as people are
. >> how meaningful is it allen weisselberg won't testify in this? trump is the only the person of that potential-- >> and he's not going to take the stand, so the evidence stands. to ari's point what the jury did today, though, if michael cohen gets a search warrant executed on his home, and stuff gets taken from his home and law firm, right? why are you scrambling if you are trump to make sure that michael cohen, it's okay, i'm going to take care of you, and then you look at...
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so wondered if weisselberg would be put into the courtroom. the separation agreement he reached with the trump organization will not be admitted into evidence based on the judge's ruling 20 minutes ago. this could be significant, andy, correct me if i'm wrong or not on that. the reason being if wise el berg doesn't show up, the only person you might have who says this was hush money is michael cohen. especially if donald trump does not take the stand in his own defense. andy, please analyze. >> well, i think what the prosecutors were trying to do here, you'll be shocked to learn, was mislead the jury. he has -- weisselberg has a separation agreement where he is bound to not cooperate or not make public statements against trump. he got a pretty lucrative severance package. the thing is, that agreement is not enforceable against the criminal justice process. what they wanted to suggest is trump was paying him for his silence when, in fact, if he had been subpoenaed to testify by the state he would have had to testify and the agreement wouldn't h
so wondered if weisselberg would be put into the courtroom. the separation agreement he reached with the trump organization will not be admitted into evidence based on the judge's ruling 20 minutes ago. this could be significant, andy, correct me if i'm wrong or not on that. the reason being if wise el berg doesn't show up, the only person you might have who says this was hush money is michael cohen. especially if donald trump does not take the stand in his own defense. andy, please analyze....
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weisselberg's state in front of mr. trump that you are going to receive $420,000 over the course of 12 months. michael cohen said, yes, question, what, if anything, did mr. trump's say at the time answer he approved it and he all also said this is going to be one heck of a ride in dc. one more question. did musk, mr. weisselberg's say in front of you, mr. trump, that those monthly payments would be a retainer for legal services? michael cohen says, yes, he testified that donald trump approved of the scheme. that testimony, the end of yesterday today. today though, perhaps even more importantly, we are set for the cross that could begin in the next couple of hours with me. cnn's brynn gin grass, who has been in and out of this core for the last four weeks. this is such an important moment. >> yeah, because this michael cohen did exactly what the prosecution needed him to do. he tied everything together so far, any implicated the former president in this payment scheme, any did it in a very cool and collected way, right?
weisselberg's state in front of mr. trump that you are going to receive $420,000 over the course of 12 months. michael cohen said, yes, question, what, if anything, did mr. trump's say at the time answer he approved it and he all also said this is going to be one heck of a ride in dc. one more question. did musk, mr. weisselberg's say in front of you, mr. trump, that those monthly payments would be a retainer for legal services? michael cohen says, yes, he testified that donald trump approved...
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this isn weisselberg. and it's a document that basically comes up with the amount that they are going to pay michael cohen, which is reimbursement for the payment to stormy daniels according to the prosecutors and michael cohen, plus 50,000 more for this other thing having to do with like some lunch at bogus polling or whatever that's $180,000 times two, so that there's no tax penalty plus $150,000 because michael cohen was upset. he didn't get a good christmas bonus that's in total. that's $420,000. and then it says $35,000 every month from donald trump that is the scheme and we haven't heard an alternate suggestions as to what this is. >> it's taking a number, adding all those things up including the illegal hush money, which federal prosecutors said was politically motivated based on the evidence, is hush money in itself illegal. >> it's if it's politically motivated, yeah, it's illegal. >> and it deprives the american people of information be bright presidential, okay. but the second issue is the tough
this isn weisselberg. and it's a document that basically comes up with the amount that they are going to pay michael cohen, which is reimbursement for the payment to stormy daniels according to the prosecutors and michael cohen, plus 50,000 more for this other thing having to do with like some lunch at bogus polling or whatever that's $180,000 times two, so that there's no tax penalty plus $150,000 because michael cohen was upset. he didn't get a good christmas bonus that's in total. that's...
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weisselberg. so that you can speak to him and say, hey, are you going to plead the fifth outside the presence of the jury? of course. right. because of men, you're going to have the artery to come in from the defense, which is a look at allen weisselberg's not here why they had they could have called him to establish the case, did they not want to call him because he couldn't corroborate the liar michael cohen so it's going to be very interesting to note. and i think that the fence will ask for whether it's a missing witness charge or an uncalled witnesses charge, et cetera. it's going to he is subject to some dispute, not to get too inside baseball, but there's also a severance agreement that he signed before leaving the trump organization. prosecutors arguing that that agreements as he, you know, he can't disparage. so we can call him in light of this agreement, defense saying we don't want that agreement admitted to explain anything. so again, very technical, but at the end of the day, to your
weisselberg. so that you can speak to him and say, hey, are you going to plead the fifth outside the presence of the jury? of course. right. because of men, you're going to have the artery to come in from the defense, which is a look at allen weisselberg's not here why they had they could have called him to establish the case, did they not want to call him because he couldn't corroborate the liar michael cohen so it's going to be very interesting to note. and i think that the fence will ask for...
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his view was that allen weisselberg would never steal a dime from him. so the other part of this argument that somehow it was just weisselberg and michael cohen doing this independently to steal from donald trump, there is no way that has credibility, either. i think the jury watches this and they definitely believe donald trump knew what the payments were for. he was authorizing him. we saw in court today he signed a majority of the checks paid to michael cohen. so i don't think the jury is sitting there and thinking he has an innocent bystander. >> we have to squeeze in a break. when we come back, adam klasfeld will give another update from the latebreaking transcript we just got. my daughter. who gets married someplace more expensive? my other daughter. cancun! jamaica!! why can't they use my backyard!! with empower, we get all of our financial questions answered. so we don't have to worry. can we get out of here? i thought you'd never ask. join 18 million americans and take control of your financial future with a real time dashboard and real life con
his view was that allen weisselberg would never steal a dime from him. so the other part of this argument that somehow it was just weisselberg and michael cohen doing this independently to steal from donald trump, there is no way that has credibility, either. i think the jury watches this and they definitely believe donald trump knew what the payments were for. he was authorizing him. we saw in court today he signed a majority of the checks paid to michael cohen. so i don't think the jury is...
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they may have witnesses like weisselberg or cohen who can add to that. they carry at love baggage with them. the question is on its face, does the doubling of the invoices show falsification? i think it does. when you are reimbursing a lawyer, you are not doubling the invoice to account for tax payments that are not actually true. the falsification comes on its face of the documents. they have some lingering questions about whether trump knew it or not, whether if there's in admission from donald trump that he knew these were false, maybe he had a conversation with michael cohen about it that was recorded. even if you don't have that, the document on its face is enough for the jury to get there. >> you know what's missing from the documents are the typical legal bills that a lawyer would send somebody. right? or the explanation of the hours that were worked and what accounts for the reason for that amount that is owed. right? how big of a hole is that? if you are trump's team and the prosecution is showing, this clearly wasn't for a legal fee, do you thi
they may have witnesses like weisselberg or cohen who can add to that. they carry at love baggage with them. the question is on its face, does the doubling of the invoices show falsification? i think it does. when you are reimbursing a lawyer, you are not doubling the invoice to account for tax payments that are not actually true. the falsification comes on its face of the documents. they have some lingering questions about whether trump knew it or not, whether if there's in admission from...
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the only person who could have gotten weisselberg here to testify is bragg. the prosecutor is the only one who can immunize a witness and he could have come in and given his version of events. you can be sure, if his version of events backed up cohen, he would be here. >> bill: i think turley yesterday said he is getting vertigo from this. i want our viewers to know the three of you and turley and lydia and kerri urbahn are on an email chain throughout the day and reading hundreds of emails from you guys. we're not trained-in-law and we are confused. i can't imagine how viewers are feeling at home. i have no clue as to where the jury is on this. we're watching that door. we'll hear from the former president in a matter of moments. stand by. terrific work down there. there must be an app for this somewhere. take it from legal talk to plain english. >> president biden: trump continues to lie that black unemployment was at a record low. that happened on my watch and we'll keep it going. >> bill: trump awaits his fate and president joe biden on the trail trying t
the only person who could have gotten weisselberg here to testify is bragg. the prosecutor is the only one who can immunize a witness and he could have come in and given his version of events. you can be sure, if his version of events backed up cohen, he would be here. >> bill: i think turley yesterday said he is getting vertigo from this. i want our viewers to know the three of you and turley and lydia and kerri urbahn are on an email chain throughout the day and reading hundreds of...
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weisselberg is missing. although i think that's a far more complex and nuanced question. but the absence of evidence is something that can help the defense. >> and, chuck, blanche has gotten him to confirm that he surreptitiously recorded your client so tucked play a privileged recording between you and your client with a third party, that's what you did, right, that's correct. blanche, you certainly didn't tell president trump you were recording, did you. i did says cohen, you spoke about it in 2015 when president trump comes down the escalator. in june he announced you testified. you had a specific recollection about a meeting at trump tower with yourself, trump and pecker and discusses the "national enquirer" and how that could help president trump. correct, says cohen. the "national enquirer" is its placement in supermarkets but you never said that to the grand jury. blanche. >> you understand it's not ethical to record a conversation with your client. there's a lot of new york bar opinions on this. are they playing to the two lawyers on the jury? >> i think this to m
weisselberg is missing. although i think that's a far more complex and nuanced question. but the absence of evidence is something that can help the defense. >> and, chuck, blanche has gotten him to confirm that he surreptitiously recorded your client so tucked play a privileged recording between you and your client with a third party, that's what you did, right, that's correct. blanche, you certainly didn't tell president trump you were recording, did you. i did says cohen, you spoke...
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you said allen weisselberg came up with that as a reason to do it. why was he thinking along those lines? >> i don't know, but one of the things that we have to understand is that -- in the office we used to call mr. trump and allen weisselberg frick and frack. they did everything together. there was nothing that was a surprise. they would pretent. it was bad acting. it was acting 101 where allen would come in and say, donald, we're going to pay michael in 12. oh, yeah, yeah, that's a great idea. as if he didn't already know what was going on. the concept of grossing it up was in order for me to take it as income, which i did, and i paid my taxes on my 50%, right, city, state, and federal tax. that's what -- that's how they wanted me to do it, so i said, okay. that's what i did. >> lawrence o'donnell is standing by and wants to ask you a question. lawrence, let me throw it to you. >> michael, thank you. >> lawrence, are you going to go through my entire life history too? because i'm a new yorker as well. >> exactly. well, you know, michael, i have to
you said allen weisselberg came up with that as a reason to do it. why was he thinking along those lines? >> i don't know, but one of the things that we have to understand is that -- in the office we used to call mr. trump and allen weisselberg frick and frack. they did everything together. there was nothing that was a surprise. they would pretent. it was bad acting. it was acting 101 where allen would come in and say, donald, we're going to pay michael in 12. oh, yeah, yeah, that's a...
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that is what produces that writing from weisselberg. right now, assuming weisselberg does not testify, you heard that bull drama at the end of the day, that is the one thing that michael cohen has to carry on. i tend to agree with donny . among other things, he has a lot of baggage, but if he keeps his cool and does not let them -- he now has the truth on his side. he has been telling his story and it is an accurate story for a few years. you know, that, i think, will come through as it did with david pecker and stormy daniels. slot witnesses, but truthful, credible witnesses. >> i think with the jury will see -- i do not know how they will experience it or decide on the judgment, but what they will see is that michael cohen, his destruction of the fax is the same as the description of facts testified to by people who still love trump very much, and the variable is not -- my sense is that there was a bit of reverse engineering, those 25 visits that cohen had was after the case had been looked at by others or perhaps -- who else was in t
that is what produces that writing from weisselberg. right now, assuming weisselberg does not testify, you heard that bull drama at the end of the day, that is the one thing that michael cohen has to carry on. i tend to agree with donny . among other things, he has a lot of baggage, but if he keeps his cool and does not let them -- he now has the truth on his side. he has been telling his story and it is an accurate story for a few years. you know, that, i think, will come through as it did...
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we'll hear about notes that allen weisselberg took in documenting the repayment. i think those notes also have michael cohen's handwriting on it. i think you'll hear more about those notes. those notes, it's exhibit 35 -- the reason i remember it, incredibly strong proof for the prosecution. mary mcchord and i -- there's an episode of our podcast talking about just that exhibit and why it is so devastating. and then finally we'll be taken into the oval office, where michael cohen has a conversation with donald trump about the repayment scheme. so, those are the remaining pieces. finally the jury will hear about all of the things that michael cohen has pleaded guilty to, and he'll have to explain why he pled guilty to something he now says he is not guilty of. that might be a bit of a difficult part of the testimony, and then we'll get to cross examination. that for michael cohen is kind of the ball game. the direct should go swimmingly, it is going swimmingly, but i think the afternoon's cross examination will be where the proof is in the pudding. >> exhibit 35, w
we'll hear about notes that allen weisselberg took in documenting the repayment. i think those notes also have michael cohen's handwriting on it. i think you'll hear more about those notes. those notes, it's exhibit 35 -- the reason i remember it, incredibly strong proof for the prosecution. mary mcchord and i -- there's an episode of our podcast talking about just that exhibit and why it is so devastating. and then finally we'll be taken into the oval office, where michael cohen has a...
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she was weisselberg's assistant. she was a junior bookkeeper, sending checks, fedexing them to the white house, and she is being cross examined now by necheles, the defense lawyer, and she's saying, you worked for the trump organization for eleven years. yes. is it a nice place to work. yes. mr. trump is the only person who can sign personal checks, right? necheles asks, it was all of the checks for personal expenses. yes. it was no business expenses being sent. right, yes. necheles says because the business once he became president had nothing to do with him. correct. personal expenses were like credit card expenses, his daughter who was in college, he was the only person who could sign. necheles says you got return envelopes and these were personal bills that had to be paid promptly. manochio, yes. they're trying to separate what manochio was doing was on the personal side, nothing to do with the trump organization. these were personal expenses, the michael cohen checks. try to make some defense. >> except this wit
she was weisselberg's assistant. she was a junior bookkeeper, sending checks, fedexing them to the white house, and she is being cross examined now by necheles, the defense lawyer, and she's saying, you worked for the trump organization for eleven years. yes. is it a nice place to work. yes. mr. trump is the only person who can sign personal checks, right? necheles asks, it was all of the checks for personal expenses. yes. it was no business expenses being sent. right, yes. necheles says...
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weisselberg go in. they've got a bank statement from michael cohen's llc that reflects a wire transfer to stormy daniels' lawyer of 130,000, and then the document contains handwriting from both weisselberg on the left, cohen on the right, mapping out what that repayment scheme is going to look like. cohen testified that trump not only approved that repayment in 12 installments, but once he did that, sort of signaled to them, now that that's taken care of, d.c.'s going to be a hell of a ride. in other words, he was almost signaling, well, we've gotten that out of the way, now it's time to be president. and so, you know, was it foreseeable to donald trump having approved that repayment scheme that that would have happened? that is what the jurors are entitled to take into account when they're measuring whether donald trump had the criminal intent to falsify records, even if he didn't do the falsification himself, if he caused it, and if his intent was such that he would reasonably foresee what was going t
weisselberg go in. they've got a bank statement from michael cohen's llc that reflects a wire transfer to stormy daniels' lawyer of 130,000, and then the document contains handwriting from both weisselberg on the left, cohen on the right, mapping out what that repayment scheme is going to look like. cohen testified that trump not only approved that repayment in 12 installments, but once he did that, sort of signaled to them, now that that's taken care of, d.c.'s going to be a hell of a ride. in...
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you have allen weisselberg, serve a said prison sentence lying for donald trump. he doesn't let people get away, generally speaking. he let michael cohen get away. michael cohen is proving to be a damages, a big pain in the you know what, at least, for donald trump. >> this trial is not seeing the bigger picture. on the one hand, you get a sense of donald trump surrounding himself with people who are folks that we know are convicted felons. steve bannon just had his conviction affirmed in the d.c. circuit. roger stone was convicted by a jury. paul pan afort was convicted by a jury, and then by a guilty plea. rick gates, his deputy campaign manager pled guilty. i can go on and on about all these sort of people he surrounded himself with, who have pleaded guilty to serious felonies. michael cohen being one of them, but by no means all of them. so that's on the one hand. on the other hand, the jury also got a picture of him as a good boss. there were several women who worked for the trump organization or worked for him in the white house, or both, who had very favora
you have allen weisselberg, serve a said prison sentence lying for donald trump. he doesn't let people get away, generally speaking. he let michael cohen get away. michael cohen is proving to be a damages, a big pain in the you know what, at least, for donald trump. >> this trial is not seeing the bigger picture. on the one hand, you get a sense of donald trump surrounding himself with people who are folks that we know are convicted felons. steve bannon just had his conviction affirmed in...
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weisselberg, this is ongoing in the most recent exchange, obviously before the jurors were dismissed from the courtroom, weisselberg said, andrew copp that cohen's 35,000-dollar payments started in february because with a trust and movement going on was going to take a little bit of time. weisselberg then told going to send an invoice every month and write, "legal services rendered," and they'll get his check sent out. in this reading this verbatim from our buddhism is that a courtroom other trump get going the title of personal attorney to president, payment for that did not come up. coincidently new -- he was getting paid for the world by monetizing relationships and i'll review this one last line, this is apparently the last exchange inside the courtroom, cohen is aware, he says, that i would sooner agreement or written engagements layer had to be -- lawyer had to be filled out to formalize an official job title. when said this was not filled out because he knew there was -- there was going to be no compensation. andrew copp your reaction? >> see, this is very interesting, sandra.
weisselberg, this is ongoing in the most recent exchange, obviously before the jurors were dismissed from the courtroom, weisselberg said, andrew copp that cohen's 35,000-dollar payments started in february because with a trust and movement going on was going to take a little bit of time. weisselberg then told going to send an invoice every month and write, "legal services rendered," and they'll get his check sent out. in this reading this verbatim from our buddhism is that a...