getting him an attorney by walt, and then he gets the call that he's going to give them the internet aaron. >> so that's the last line in the narrative of the indictment, but the beginning of the end of the friendship of carlos de oliviera and brian butler. now, they do not speak anymore. carlos de olivera is charged with making a false statement to the fbi, is headed to trial alongside donald trump, brian butler phrase here speaking publicly and not using notably, an attorney within the trump legal universe, erin. >> all right. kaitlan. thank you very much. and i want to go now to ryan goodman, our legal analyst, stephanie grisham, the former trump white house press secretary and david axelrod. of course, the former senior adviser to president obama. so ryan a 20 year employee of the trump's, right. who knows the habits, knows the proclivities knows what moves when coming out and talking about all these boxes, how important is the information that he is providing in this case? >> it seems to be incredibly important. he's a direct witness and participant in a large part of the activities t