and the only thing that compares to that is what's outside of the alexandria eastern district of virginia courthouse, joe. and you and i have both spoken with mainstream american journalists who either will not take a position on julian's case or who are hostile to him. and this is despite the fact that they and their news outlets have use the information that we can weeks has revealed in their own reporting. one important journalist with whom i spoke so that julian is not a journalist, but an activist. even if people don't believe he's a journalist though they have to can see that he's a publisher. why is there so much push back in the american media? i've been just gets a friend in the mainstream media and i used to be a for more than 20 years in the mainstream and i know the pressures they are involved. they're the, what is allowed on what's not allowed. you just know this. if you want us to 5, and if you're a career assessment most everyone is in the mainstream media. you're going to be doing what you need to do to get ahead of your, the schedule for any of the new york times, putting