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alice was - and alice perkins? don't recall she had been critical. alice was a - and alice perkins? don't recall she had been critical. alice was a very| had been critical. alice was a very straightforward chair. and i generally took feedback pretty well. forgive me for repeating the phrase but there is documentation on that as well. i am sure she gave me straightforward feedback about why this had taken so long, white was over budget, why the report contain things the post office felt were inaccurate. it things the post office felt were inaccurate-— things the post office felt were inaccurate. it continues, simon richardson. — inaccurate. it continues, simon richardson, i— inaccurate. it continues, simon richardson, i thought - inaccurate. it continues, simon richardson, i thought the - inaccurate. it continues, simon i richardson, i thought the minister had dealt — richardson, i thought the minister had dealt with the question is extremely well and looked in control of the _ extremely well and looked in control of the brief. evidently she had the post office in to tear the
alice was - and alice perkins? don't recall she had been critical. alice was a - and alice perkins? don't recall she had been critical. alice was a very| had been critical. alice was a very straightforward chair. and i generally took feedback pretty well. forgive me for repeating the phrase but there is documentation on that as well. i am sure she gave me straightforward feedback about why this had taken so long, white was over budget, why the report contain things the post office felt were...
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alice perkins... not related — i did this. alice perkins... not related to _ i did this. alice perkins... not related to this particularly but i can remember alice perkins saying to me at— can remember alice perkins saying to me at some _ can remember alice perkins saying to me at some stage, "paul, if you want to get— me at some stage, "paul, if you want to get the _ me at some stage, "paul, if you want to get the truth and a really clear answer— to get the truth and a really clear answer from somebody, you should tell them _ answer from somebody, you should tell them what it is you want to say very clearly — tell them what it is you want to say very clearly and then ask for the information that backs that up." that— information that backs that up." that was— information that backs that up." that was why i phrased this that way _ that was why i phrased this that wa . . . that was why i phrased this that wa , .. . .. ., that was why i phrased this that wa. . ., ., way. that is an odd way
alice perkins... not related — i did this. alice perkins... not related to _ i did this. alice perkins... not related to this particularly but i can remember alice perkins saying to me at— can remember alice perkins saying to me at some _ can remember alice perkins saying to me at some stage, "paul, if you want to get— me at some stage, "paul, if you want to get the _ me at some stage, "paul, if you want to get the truth and a really clear answer— to get the truth and a...
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in a note that alice perkins wrote before the i alice perkins wrote before the departure of susan crichton to you, she said. _ departure of susan crichton to you, she said, quote, it is the fact that she, _ she said, quote, it is the fact that she, susan. — she said, quote, it is the fact that she, susan, she is so much is beyond her control— she, susan, she is so much is beyond her control that is a problem. it is her control that is a problem. it is her aiibi — her control that is a problem. it is heraiibi do— her control that is a problem. it is her alibi. do you think the same could _ her alibi. do you think the same could be — her alibi. do you think the same could be said for you? no, definitely _ could be said for you? no, definitely not. _ could be said for you? no, definitely not. i— could be said for you? no, definitely not. i asked - could be said for you? iirr, definitely not. i asked questions, i oversaw the strategy which would have introduced changes where we felt it was appropriate to the organisation, i probed, iworked in a structured way and an informal way. i
in a note that alice perkins wrote before the i alice perkins wrote before the departure of susan crichton to you, she said. _ departure of susan crichton to you, she said, quote, it is the fact that she, _ she said, quote, it is the fact that she, susan. — she said, quote, it is the fact that she, susan, she is so much is beyond her control— she, susan, she is so much is beyond her control that is a problem. it is her control that is a problem. it is her aiibi — her control that is a...
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dollars perkins, you say, alice perkins as chair of post office also it seemed to me wished only to find a way to resolve these issues appropriately and sought to do so tenaciously and with great care and an eye for detail. paragraph 1a8, please. you say, i would also like to mention angela van den bogerd. ifound her to be incredibly committed to public service and to the post office. she was detailed, thorough and empathetic. she was also, it seems to me, committed to getting to the truth, hampered by lack of information we now have to hand. is it fair to summarise your evidence in those paragraphs that i have read out as painting a picture of a communications team and the senior leadership team that was committed to opening up to challenge? yes. to opening up to challenge? yes, that is fair- _ to opening up to challenge? yes, that is fair. can _ to opening up to challenge? yes, that is fair. can we _ to opening up to challenge? yes, that is fair. can we please - to opening up to challenge? yes, that is fair. can we please turn, l that is fair. can we please turn, 001380985? — 00
dollars perkins, you say, alice perkins as chair of post office also it seemed to me wished only to find a way to resolve these issues appropriately and sought to do so tenaciously and with great care and an eye for detail. paragraph 1a8, please. you say, i would also like to mention angela van den bogerd. ifound her to be incredibly committed to public service and to the post office. she was detailed, thorough and empathetic. she was also, it seems to me, committed to getting to the truth,...
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then if we go over the page to page three we can see what alice perkins was going to deliver as key— alice perkins was going to deliver as key messages, and over the page to page _ as key messages, and over the page to page four we can see your section — to page four we can see your section. , to page four we can see your section.- topic - to page four we can see your section. yes. topic three, background, _ section. yes. topic three, background, and - section. yes. topic three, background, and we - section. yes. topic three, background, and we can l section. yes topic three, background, and we can see all section. 19:3 topic three, background, and we can see all of the bullet— background, and we can see all of the bullet points in detail on that page. _ the bullet points in detail on that page, yes? the bullet points in detail on that page. yes?— the bullet points in detail on that page, yes? yes. where does it say there that every _ page, yes? 193 where does it say there that every case taken to prosecution that involves the horizon — prosecution that involves the horizon s
then if we go over the page to page three we can see what alice perkins was going to deliver as key— alice perkins was going to deliver as key messages, and over the page to page _ as key messages, and over the page to page four we can see your section — to page four we can see your section. , to page four we can see your section.- topic - to page four we can see your section. yes. topic three, background, _ section. yes. topic three, background, and - section. yes. topic three, background,...
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alice perkins commented i thought— business. alice perkins commented i thought the outcome had in some ways been good _ thought the outcome had in some ways been good for the post office the way the — been good for the post office the way the process had been handled had been deeply flawed. i backed susan crichton's _ been deeply flawed. i backed susan crichton'sjudgment on been deeply flawed. i backed susan crichton's judgment on the appointment of second sight because we did _ appointment of second sight because we did not— appointment of second sight because we did not want to appoint one of the big _ we did not want to appoint one of the big four. she seemed very confident— the big four. she seemed very confident in them and given his strongly— confident in them and given his strongly stated opinion to having an inquiry— strongly stated opinion to having an inquiry in _ strongly stated opinion to having an inquiry in the first place i had wanted — inquiry in the first place i had wanted her to feel some ownership
alice perkins commented i thought— business. alice perkins commented i thought the outcome had in some ways been good _ thought the outcome had in some ways been good for the post office the way the — been good for the post office the way the process had been handled had been deeply flawed. i backed susan crichton's _ been deeply flawed. i backed susan crichton'sjudgment on been deeply flawed. i backed susan crichton's judgment on the appointment of second sight because we did _ appointment...
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perkins directions about— you and alice perkins directions about how _ you and alice perkins directions about how to deal with the sub—postmaster complaint, wasn't he? yes, sub—postmaster complaint, wasn't he? yes. i_ sub—postmaster complaint, wasn't he? yes. i can't _ sub—postmaster complaint, wasn't he? yes, i can't remember the e—mail in detail. yes, i can't remember the e-mail in detail. . yes, i can't remember the e-mail in detail. , ., , detail. yes, he was saying the article raises _ detail. yes, he was saying the article raises some _ detail. yes, he was saying the article raises some questions| detail. yes, he was saying the - article raises some questions about horizon. _ article raises some questions about horizon. i_ article raises some questions about horizon, i suspect the audit and risk committee ought to take an interest — risk committee ought to take an interest. have we ever had an independent audit of horizon? he was worried _ independent audit of horizon? he was worried that this might disrupt the bil worried that this might disrupt the big plan— worrie
perkins directions about— you and alice perkins directions about how _ you and alice perkins directions about how to deal with the sub—postmaster complaint, wasn't he? yes, sub—postmaster complaint, wasn't he? yes. i_ sub—postmaster complaint, wasn't he? yes. i can't _ sub—postmaster complaint, wasn't he? yes, i can't remember the e—mail in detail. yes, i can't remember the e-mail in detail. . yes, i can't remember the e-mail in detail. , ., , detail. yes, he was saying the article...
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. >> in a note that alice perkins wrote before the departure of susan crichton to you, she said, quote , it's the fact that she quote, it's the fact that she that susan sees so much as beyond her control that's the problem. it's her alibi . do you problem. it's her alibi. do you think the same could be said as you of you know, definitely not. >> i, i asked questions, i oversaw the strategy, which would have introduced changes where we felt it was appropriate to the organisation . i probed, i to the organisation. i probed, i worked in a structured way and an informal way. i would walk around the desks in the organisation and talk to people just to find out what was going on. i was sometimes criticised in team development events for being too curious and stepping too much into people's territory . i don't think that's a criticism that could have been levelled at me . levelled at me. >> you tell us that you always enjoyed a good relationship with moya greene, the chief executive of royal mail group, in your witness statement. >> yeah, we had a good working relationship , skip, you say no
. >> in a note that alice perkins wrote before the departure of susan crichton to you, she said, quote , it's the fact that she quote, it's the fact that she that susan sees so much as beyond her control that's the problem. it's her alibi . do you problem. it's her alibi. do you think the same could be said as you of you know, definitely not. >> i, i asked questions, i oversaw the strategy, which would have introduced changes where we felt it was appropriate to the organisation . i...