caller: ic women's history and i'm always intrigued, why did we never hear about alice roosevelt? i consider her a 21st-century woman born in the 19th century. she was something else. guest: she sure was. caller: that poor girl, two days after she was born, her mother dies and teddy's mother dies within eight hours of each other. tenney is so distraught he runs to the west and she has to live with her on and when she comes back another family is already started. she was such an outgoing -- to me, it feels like a tracer -- trailblazer of women, but you never hear about her. at least, i don't. i just think that it is the strange. seems like they just don't talk about alice. she was so ahead of her time in history, the things she did to be dubbed princess alice by the country and most of europe. she really was something else. host: let's take that. guest: i agree. alice roosevelt from his first marriage, she was a teenager in the white house and very, very beautiful and she had this very glamorous debut and she was also kinder wild child. she had a pet snake, his father -- her father