andrew mccabe. if you're with me, i'd like to bring you into this conversation because again. you can see this when you watch it and i know it's a question. a lot of people are already asking and i want to make sure that we are thoughtful in how we talk through this, this ship hits that pylon directly. that support structure and just causes the entire bridge to collapse into the harbor as investigators are looking at that, this is obviously an incredibly heavily trafficked area going into the harbor, baltimore. we know this ship was actually on its way out with a destination of sri lanka apparently. but this is something that drivers i mean, if you remember that bridge, you drive in a back-and-forth over this all the time. none of us even really think about it. when you're driving out towards the chesapeake bay, you will see container ships like this by the dozens waiting for their turn to kind of navigate. this route what are your questions right now? what questions are investigators? first going to be asking about how this happened >> sure. so you're absolutely right key. so

. >> the final flight premieres sunday, april seventh at nine on cnn andrew mccabe. carlos, let me start with you here. because the raids went down, not just at one property, but two different properties on two different coasts. what can you tell us? >> that's exactly right, laura. these two raids took place. one here in miami beach, the other took place in los angeles. now, just a few minutes ago, homeland security investigators wrapped up their work out here, and they cleared the scene. they spent a good part of the day out here collecting all of this evidence from one of the two homes that were raided earlier tonight. we saw them carrying a cardboard box as well as several bags from the second story of this 11,000 square foot property here in miami beach. now, a homeland security official in miami tells me that the agents arrived at this property at around 3:00 this afternoon and quickly got to work around that, around that time across the country, out in los angeles, a team of homeland security investigators there were spotted walking the property of a house that

geoff tube and jennifer rodgers and andrew mccabe also joining us. margaret hoover host a firing line on pbs >> injured doesn't make sense. you southern the federal prosecutors. why would they just now send this stuff over? i know they were subpoenaed, but couldn't have sent this stuff to the admin handy at earlier. >> there's not a good answer for that question there. >> i >> think on the surface, the multiple prosecutors offices in new york. so you have manhattan and then you have the two federal prosecution offices. because the southern district and the eastern district, on the surface, we always hear about good cooperation in the war foresman community. >> but in the nitty-gritty >> of individual cases, in my own experience for having been an agent there for a decade or so >> these >> these requests for evidence or access to each other's witnesses are often fraught with competition and defensiveness. prosecutors want to be very careful before they turn over documents to another prosecutor's offices to ensure that they're not going to use them or

jeff tube and jennifer rodgers and andrew mccabe also joining us. margaret hoover, host of firing line on pbs inter doesn't make sense. you southern that federal prosecutors. why would they just now send this stuff over? i know they were subpoenaed, but couldn't have sent this stuff to the manhattan da earlier. >> there's not a good answer for that question there. i think on the surface, the multiple prosecutors offices in new york's you have manhattan and then you have the two federal prosecution offices, the southern district and the eastern district. on the surface, we always hear about good cooperation. the law enforcement community entity. but in the nitty-gritty of individual cases, in my own experience for having been an agent there for a decade or so >> these >> these requests for evidence or access to each other's witnesses are often fraught with competition and defensiveness. prosecutors want to be very careful before they turn over documents to another prosecutor's offices to ensure that they're not going to use them or need them at some

jeff tube and jennifer rodgers and andrew mccabe also joining us. margaret hoover, host of firing line on pbs inter doesn't make sense. you southern that federal prosecutors. why would they just now send this stuff over? i know they were subpoenaed, but couldn't they've sent this stuff to the manhattan da earlier. >> there's not a good answer for that question there. i think on the surface, the multiple prosecutors offices in new york. so you have manhattan and then you have the two federal prosecution offices, the southern district and the eastern district. on the surface, we always hear about good cooperation. the law enforcement community. >> but in the >> nitty-gritty of individual cases, in my own experience for having been an agent there for a decade or so these these requests for evidence or access to each other's witnesses are often fraught with competition and defensiveness. prosecutors want to be very careful before they turn over documents to another prosecutor's offices to ensure that they're not going to use them or need them at some po

andrew mccabe. andrew nice to see you. i think i see you all the time now. i wonder what the connection could possibly be, but listen, let me ask you about this because butler ed that he and walt nauta, who was the so-called body man of trump and a codefendant. now loaded ten to 15 boxes, approximately onto trump's plane. >> but the question i >> have is okay, now they're in the friendly skies. what happened to the boxes? how does law enforcement track that to our colleague, tim parlatore is point well, that's a great question and we don't know the answer to that despite the fact that the special counsel's office spent months and months >> doggedly pursuing mr. trump and his attorneys and trying to get a legitimate search of those properties. i'm not sure why they didn't pursue a search warrant. maybe they could have had witness like mr. butler onboard at the time but nevertheless laura is, you know, it's not incumbent upon the government to come up with a un evidence inventory documenting where eve

. >> of course, juliette kayyem, andrew mccabe, i want to thank you both for joining us early in this morning and i do just want to take a moment of personal privilege. i mean, i keep those oils mug on this desk every single day that i broadcast here, i've very strong family roots in the baltimore area and watching these pictures of this bridge that i my family have driven across many times our hearts goes out to baltimore. it is one of the strongest places in our country and i know it is going to bounce back from this, but we are currently praying for all of those people who have been affected by this and especially for those first responders. thanks very much for joining us. don't go one where are breaking news coverage continues on cnn right now >> we begin with breaking news this morning, a dire emergency in baltimore right now, desperate search is underway as rescue crews try to figure the route where people who plunged into the river after a major bridge collapse, where they are and if they are alive, we are following it all new overnight federal raids on to homes owned by sean

mccabe, the former deputy director of the fbi, is a us right now doing enough to protect judges amid this very disturbing rise in the threats they're facing. >> happened a lot in third world >> well, much like the rise in the threats to congresspeople and senators that judicial system is experiencing the same massive increase in threat activity towards judges. i think it's doubled through during the period from 2021 to 23, we saw it's up it's more than doubled during that period. so there's the federal marshals have the responsibility of protecting federal judges. and i'm sure that they are absolutely taxed at this point, trying to protect those judges who are the subjects of these threats. but let's not beat around the bush here. the threat that's are coming mostly from people who had been charged with offenses related to january 6 or people who are related to and responding to those charges and those convictions. so there is a clear through line here from donald trump to his supporters and onto the threats that these judges that are receiving. so i am maybe in the minority here, i

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mccabe, the former deputy director of the fbi, is in the right now doing enough to protect the judges amid this very disturbing rise in the threats they're facing. >> tapping a lot in third world >> well, much like the rise in the threats to congresspeople in senators the judicial system is experiencing the same massive increase in threat activity towards judges. i think it's doubled through during the period from 2021 to 23, we saw up it's more than doubled their during that period. so there's the federal marshals have the responsibility of protecting federal judges. and i'm sure that they are absolutely taxed at this point, trying to protect those judges who the subjects are these threats. but let's not beat around the bush here. >> threats >> are coming mostly from people who had been charged with offenses related to january 6 or people who are related to it and responding to those charges and those convictions. so there is a clear through line here from donald trump to his supporters and onto the threats that these judges are receiving. so maybe in the minority here, i don't think

andrew mccabe, butler brian butler, employee number five, as they call them officially he worked with trump and don't trump for 20 years. so potentially he's got a lot of information he could be the ultimate insider in the soy right there at mar-a-lago for 20 years close not only to trump, but to his two co-defendants. and that's an important point because one of the potential weaknesses in the special counsel's case right now is that specifically carlos de olivera? there's not much solid evidence that indicates that day oleh there at knew that the things he was doing were intentionally obstructing the subpoena that had been served for those records. well, butler is very close today, lavera, they've been friends for decades. they take long walks together at night. so in addition to the things that we know, he knows from this interview maybe much more that he has to say about de oliveira. >> and i suspect drop. i appreciate that as roller because we know that trump tried very hard to keep butler in his orbit, if you will pay a wanted to pay for his lawyers, he offered a golf tickets, e

with us now, a former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. all right. so so andy, this is cross state lines which is why we also love your expertise because now this possibly as a federal investigation right for crossing state lines. so if indeed this suspect continues to be in there, talk to us about the priority of events, trying to negotiate with this person or perhaps the priority is really trying to get residents out safely. now what possibly is transpiring >> so for you hit the nail on the head there. the first thing if you have the opportunity to do it and it looks from this compelling video that they had the chance to and took advantage of it. you want to get as many potential hostages residents are actual hostages out on, out of that building and off the scene to safety as you possibly can. and what you're seeing there is a very careful, incredibly dangerous, risky move, but one that successfully evacuated number of those hostages every free time, you have a hostage leave the set. the level of risk and danger reduces somewhat and that is really

andrew mccabe, butler brian butler, employee number five, as they called him officially he worked with trump and don't trump for 20 years. so potentially he's got a lot of information he could be the ultimate insider in this story, right there at mar-a-lago for 20 years close not only to trump, but to his two co-defendants. and that's an important point because one of the potential weaknesses in the special counsel's case right now is that specifically carlos de olivera? there's not much solid evidence that indicates that day oleh there at knew that the things he was doing were intentionally obstructing the subpoena that had been served for those records. well, butler is very close to de oliveira. they've been friends for decades. they take long walks together at night. so in addition to the things that we know, he knows from this interview there may be much more that he has to say about de oliveira, and i suspect trump. i appreciate that as well, laura, because we know that a trump tried very hard to keep butler in his orbit, if you will he paid wanted to pay for his lawyers. he offer

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john snow is former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. so the attorney's statement essentially says this all is based on information or as a result of civil lawsuits is it common for civil lawsuits to spark interest of homeland security and launch an investigation >> well, it's not uncommon for allegations and civil lawsuits to be considered by federal investigators and federal prosecutors and reviewed to determine whether or not a federal crime prime may have been committed. and that seems to be what happened here. i thought it was interesting that the attorney's statement really basically confirmed for the public that some of the investigative interests was likely generated from these lawsuits, which is interesting because several of the lawsuits allege activity that likely would fall within the parameters of sex trafficking. but really these women claimed to have been transported from one state to another and then drugged and assaulted or his former girlfriend, you claims to have been forced to perform sex acts with different people in

we are back here the panel and also have david chalian with us along with andrew mccabe, paula reid, tia mitchell, kate bedingfield, and doug heye. doug, i mean, listen to kristen lay out what this is about to look like for the next eight months is kind of scary. but if you're a republican operative, how much scarier is it >> i think it's very scary for republicans for a few reasons. one is we're seeing in georgia, donald trump is yes, he's winning overwhelmingly, but he's lost 61,000 georgia republicans right now. he lost the state by less than 12,000 votes. that has to be very concerning. the other thing i think should concern republicans is in the state of colorado. ken buck has announced his retirement is imminent retirement soon. there are a whole lot of congressional retirements skewing republican. we're gonna have a lot of open seats defend those are hard things to do. >> it's also going to hurt that majority, that republicans are already dealing with those already slim, but i just wonder because brian kemp today, this is not a surprise he told basically everyone that he was g

. >> anderson here what they are legal and political team, carrie cordero, andrew mccabe, paula reid, tia mitchell, kate bedingfield, and doug heye and carrie, what do you make of how what you heard from the congressman there and also what we heard from robert hur today about how the transcript actually lined up with how he described president biden's mental acuity in his report? >> well, i think the mental acuity piece plays a lot into the political reaction to special counsel hur's report because that's the piece that his president biden's defenders and his political allies want to push up against, and that's what his political adversaries want to emphasize. but i think what special counsel hur did today is he really effectively defended the findings of his report, which we're that there was not a basis to established beyond a reasonable doubt that president biden had committed any kind of a crime and so his report is over 340 pages long >> it >> details, i think in some ways goes into too much detail things that are extraneous to what his actual finding was. but he did, i think in

>> i would -- i want to act surprised and shocked but we seen this before as far as fbi, andrew mccabel of these people who went on after they were in office to cable news or making documentaries showtime about donald trump. these are folks supposed to be apolitical in their positions but instead we see who they really are after they leave those position and go to cable news where you can't tell the difference between john brenner. dear question as far as the cia blocking this, friday even involved? what purview do they have, jurisdiction? they don't. again, it shows you time and again this investigation as far as what the publicans are trying to do keeps hitting roadblocks every step of the way whether by intelligence agencies or the media itself which dismisses or mocks the investigation when there is plenty of smoke, california wildfire as far as the evidence. >> for those who have forgotten, kevin morris gave $5 million in quote loans 200 biden over the years, again, every time you see these checks or hear stories about loans, it seems like there's a payoff going on somewhere and m

so certainly and senior law enforcement analyst, andrew mccabe, how does the fact that they have multiple crime scenes across these two states >> complicate this investigation right now. >> well, it's a it's a complex investigation simply because of the array of criminal activity that's taking place across two states. but most of that activity are things that would be prosecuted at the state level are talking about homicides, carjackings are is of course a federal car jacking statute? but it is likely that state or local prosecutors in both pennsylvania and new jersey will conduct those prosecutions and the investigations that crime scene investigation and the other investigation they need to do to put those cases on. this is all if we walk away at the end of the day with a subject in custody which is chief ramsey just said is really only about a 50, 50 prospect at this point. now, we'll have to see i agree with john and chief ramsey that they are at the point where time is on their side usually at this point in the day, there's there's typically person a perceived advantage for law enfor

mccabe. it's good to see you, andy. so as john and wendy, were talking about police call it an ambush and a coordinated attack that started with is inmate need harming himself in order to be taken to the hospital? what amount of planning? would be needed to pull an escape, an ambush an attack like this off >> yeah, that's a really remarkable point k then when we look at these situations, that's one of the first things we look for signs of organization and planning because it tells us that this was something in the works for quite some time. it also tells us something but they offender, this is a guy who has the kind of mental organizational abilities and discipline to pull something like this off it requires all sorts of things you have to have friends, you have to have people, you have to have access to a network of people who in this case we're willing to put their own lives at risk and attack law enforcement to get him out you have to have the ability to communicate surreptitiously with th

. >> i'm joined >> by our senior law enforcement analyst, andrew mccabe, who has been helping talk us through what we know, what we don't know, what investigators are going to be looking at here. andy i realized you and you and i have talked through some of this already, but again, we're going to get people joining us throughout these, these two hours here this morning as they're waking up. so let's just kind of reset a little bit at when people look at that video and they see this ship hitting that pylon, a dead-on. they're going to have a lot of questions. what are your questions and what are the questions? trends investigators are going to be asking and how are they going to go about trying to answer them >> sure. well, i mean, like you teed it up. well, casey it starts with looking at that video and you can't look at it without wondering like, how could this possibly have happened? it seem the skill that it would it takes a directly impact column seems to be far greater than the skillet would take to avoid it as the, as you compare the difference in those spaces, we don't want to

andrew mccabe, let me start with you. what do you make of the trump team's filing? is it a practical impossibilities they claim for trump to come up with this massive sum of money. i thought he was a multibillionaire well, it may very well be a practical and possibility if it is, it's because the companies that trump has >> interacted with in an effort to secure the bond have quite rightly and conservatively said they're not willing to post that bond on his behalf in return for using properties as security. they want actual cash or stocks, things that can be liquidated easily to post that bond. and he doesn't have enough cash on hand or stocks, liquid assets on hand, to get a bond of that size. i don't think we can really question the logic of that. this is someone who it's in this unenviable position because he has been found guilty of over inflating the values of his properties. so it makes sense that insurance companies would not accept those properties and his valuation of them as security on a bond of this size. so it may be impossible for him to to obtain the

mccabe, let me start with you. what do you make of the trump team's filing? is it a practical impossibilities they claim for trump to come up with this massive sum of money. i thought it was a multibillionaire >> well, it may very well be a practical impossibility if it is, it's because the companies that trump has interacted with in an effort to secure the bond have quite rightly and conservatively said they're not willing to post that bond on his behalf in return for using properties as security. they want actual cash or stocks, things that can be liquidated easily to post that bond. and he doesn't have enough cash on hand or stocks liquid assets on hand, to get a bond of that size, i don't think we can really question the logic of that. this is someone who is in this unenviable position because he has been found guilty of over inflating the values of his properties. so it makes sense that insurance companies would not accept those properties and his valuation of them as security on a bond of this size. so it may

he wanted andrew mccabe, and jim comey, and pete strzok and liz paige prosecuted.d that felt precarious. there would be no bill barr in a second term justice department. and, you know, our mutual friend michael cohen did go to jail. throw him back in for writing a book. >> going to jail again, they'll come after him again. by the way, i'm afraid. you know, i've been one of the most outspoken guys, you know, it's interesting, somebody said to me, are you afraid if he gets reelected? and i hadn't thought about it and like he's going to come after joe and me, might come after you. this is what people are not comprehending. here's the campaign the democrats need to run, and i've been thinking about this a lot. there are four people that need to step forward. kelly, mattis. mcmaster and milley and there needs to be a general campaign where these generals who have worked with him need to turn to the american public and turn to the camera and say you don't understand how scary this can be. we really can go over a cliff here, these people patriots need to start to stand up

. >> you bet >> anderson here with our legal and political team, carrie cordero, andrew mccabe, paula reid, tia mitchell, kate bedingfield, and doug heye and carrie. what do you make of how what you heard from the congressman there and also what we heard from robert hur today about how the transcript actually lined up with how he described president biden's mental acuity in his report? >> well, i think the mental acuity piece plays a lot into the political reaction to special counsel hur's report, because that's the piece that his president biden's defenders and his political allies want to push up against, and that's what his political adversaries want to emphasize. but i think what special counsel hur did today is he really effectively defended the findings of his report, which were that there was not a basis to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that president biden had committed any kind of a crime. and so his report is over 340 pages long. it >> details, i think in some ways goes into too much detail. things that are extraneous to what his actual finding was. but he did, i think

. >> andrew mccabe, you've worked there. do you think that they'll they'll release this? >> i think they'll do everything humanly possible to avoid it, we'll see how big, how much the pressure is brought to bear on them to get that stuff? i don't think there's probably, you know, they've gotten the most important testimony in the transcript they received today. so what they hear from other witnesses is the idea that congress is now going to parse through the results of 174 interviews of witnesses in varying capacities from senior white house staffers to staffers of catering companies who hosted events or who worked events in the delaware beach house. >> what >> sort of mischief they'll make with a pile of evidence that they clearly don't even understand is really beyond me. >> are republicans because they didn't get what they necessarily wanted today, kind of shifting the goalposts by now, demanding the audio of these interviews that robert hur did welcome to congress. goalposts or never, it's never happened. they always move. this was all very interesting theater here in

but at the same time when andrew body, the lawyer for the da's office, got up there and the questions came about the state of the law and whether it's actual conference conflict or an appearance of conflict >> he >> mccabe pushed back on the argument that appearance was not an appropriate standard, and i think that's where this ball is right now. it's not an actual conflict the trump lawyers haven't proven that by any means. but if it's an appearance which is kind of a loosey-goosey standard. it just looks bad. then fani willis could be in trouble >> and to that point, van appearance of a conflict versus an actual conflict. that is really what this is about. actually beyond that courtroom. the public perception, even if the case goes ahead, what is now the public perception? >> well, it's unfortunate. i mean, this is the case that people felt strongly about. they thought it was strong, they thought she was strong, and also, even if trump becomes president, he can't make it go away because the state case and so the fact that people went digging around in the garbage can and found some