one of them is a guy named george appleby. he's a young lumber worker. and flynn writes later in her memoirs about this that he was really scared, public speaking. this was a guy who worked in a really, really dangerous job. but he was probably wasn't scared of a lot of things. but he was really scareof public speaking, but nevertheless was willing to get up on a soapbox and speaknd he gets up on one of these boxes and says, starts to speak, says fellow workers. and that's as far as he gets. he's yanked off there by, the police, and arrested and put in jail. there's another guy watching this, a guy named jay altucher from an office window nearby. and he's actually an engineer for the forest service. so he's he's not really a laborer. he's a more of the professional class of people. but he's watching this and decides to run. he runs he runs down from his office, goes the street, and he jumps on one of these soapboxes as well, starts speaking, says, ladies and gentlemen, i believe in free speech. and then he's yanked off to the soapbox as well and arrested