and our guest, evgeniy shkoruba, captain, leader of the expedition from arkhangelsk to mangazeya.t arose, is connected with wood, wood is the main material, and accordingly, this material depends on wood, it depends on it. the design, its form, there is no escape from this, just in the last 100 years, let’s say, metal began to appear there, and how can one not learn a good architect if he doesn’t study greek orders, let’s say, and also if the designer of the future doesn’t know how there is a wooden building from which everything grew, he is unlikely to be truly literate, in addition, this is also a school with... working with wood is such a large training program, as for mangazeya, then, in principle, all of siberia, all of eurasia our eastern one, it passed precisely thanks to the boats, because the pioneers knew how to build boats, they knew how to build dexterously in the sea, they walked along a large river, for example, along the pechora they go up, uh, along some tributary, they run into the fact that the river has become too small, and they need to get there to the urals,