i would include professor arthur bloom and doctor charles ritzer, who were the two leading haemophilia care figures at the time and for whom, if they were still alive today, i think there could well be a case for criminal charges , be a case for criminal charges, and that's just a testament to the fact that the government did not launch a public inquiry earlier at the time. it should have happened probably in the 90s. >> i mean, in the report today, it says that there was enough, pubuc it says that there was enough, public interest in this scandal, for the inquiry to have been launched around 1986. just think about the delay for a moment and think how many people could have been brought to justice at that point, but haven't. >> i think we need to be aware, too, of the deliberate destruction of records, the records, not just patient records, not just patient records, but records kept by the department of health and that has become clear in the report that they were deliberately destroyed. >> and also the evidence that was coming forward and being placed, placed in front of government by