. >> trace: and i wonder, vikas bajaj, you look at this and he was it planning to attack 21 churches. the whole concept as they probably would have grabbed him. but pledging loyalty -- loyalty to isis, legally does that change the jeopardy he could face legally? >> absolutely. without the allegiance to a terrorist organization, you don't have a crime. you have a thought of committing a crime. but the element that is required for the statute that nicole just pointed out is that it has to be in furtherance of what we used to call in the eighties and nineties criminal street gangs. the federal equivalent on the terrorism side is i pledge allegiance, therefore any action i take is to further the reputation of the international terrorism organization. so yes, it absolutely plays a role. >> trace: interesting. moving on to the parents of the school shooter ethan. each parent got ten to 15 years. here's what jennifer says. >> don't think that this can't happen to you, the stereotype the bad kids come from bad parents. your child could make that decision intentionally or unintentionally. if t