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an outside monitor appointed by judge engoron means barbara jones has just found several issues withiness practices including missing disclosures, math errors, and questions about a $48 million loan to mr. trump and one of his company. and there are issues that that outside monitor says may reflect a lack of adequate internal controls. joining me now is devlen barrett, justice reporter and coauthor of the trump trials newsletter. it is indispensable over at "the washington post." also with me is former federal prosecutor kristi greenberg. kristi, "the new york times" reports on this barbara jones on questionable business practices, accounting practices, adequate business controls, don't listen to me. and they say this is precisely the kind of data point judge engoron may sort of fixate on if you will to really call for trump to be fined a sizable amount of money. do you think that is an accurate analysis? >> so i think it will go not necessarily towards the fine amount. i think it will go towards the question of whether this lifetime ban, this corporate death penalty gets imposed bec
an outside monitor appointed by judge engoron means barbara jones has just found several issues withiness practices including missing disclosures, math errors, and questions about a $48 million loan to mr. trump and one of his company. and there are issues that that outside monitor says may reflect a lack of adequate internal controls. joining me now is devlen barrett, justice reporter and coauthor of the trump trials newsletter. it is indispensable over at "the washington post." also...
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taking a step back, trump recommended barbara jones to be the independent monitor. >> she was agreedn by both parties. >> yes, she was agreed upon by both parties. she is a former federal judge. she is not seeking to enrich yourself here. i think in the papers, one of trump's lawyers said that she was -- from layman's, and this obsessive police officer who is seeking to go after bell sean. it's like, donald trump isn't belgian. billion stole a loaf of bread, he is engaged in persistent front that is found by the judge. and so, this idea of trying to malign judge jones, i mean, that is not going to work. she is independent, she is not on either side. she is calling it like she sees at. >> you know, devlin, i think when we talk about -- i mean, the penalty here, there is the $370 million, but the ending of the business in new york would be a devastating blow to donald trump scheme -- ego and his pocketbook. this is not the only hit he is taking. there is more reporting from the times that he has spent $50 million in donor money on legal bills, and i just wonder -- i know you are report
taking a step back, trump recommended barbara jones to be the independent monitor. >> she was agreedn by both parties. >> yes, she was agreed upon by both parties. she is a former federal judge. she is not seeking to enrich yourself here. i think in the papers, one of trump's lawyers said that she was -- from layman's, and this obsessive police officer who is seeking to go after bell sean. it's like, donald trump isn't belgian. billion stole a loaf of bread, he is engaged in...
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and outside monitor appointed named barbara jones has just found several issues with trump's businessractices. including missing disclosures math errors in questions about a 48 billion dollar loan between mr. trump and one of his companies. issues of that outside monitors says may reflect a lack of adequate internal controls joining me now is justice department reporter and coauthor of the trump trials newsletter. also with me is former federal prosecutor christine greenberg. christine the new york times reports on this barbara jones finding questionable business practices accounting practices adequate internal controls. they say this is precisely the data point that the judge may fixate on if you will to really call for trump to be fined a sizable amount of money. do you think that is an accurate analysis? >> i think it goes to other this lifetime ban this corporate to whether not this should be a real estate again. so judge jones now the independent monitor is saying that you don't actually have a compliance department. you never did an internal investigation. the ceo faux fled to f
and outside monitor appointed named barbara jones has just found several issues with trump's businessractices. including missing disclosures math errors in questions about a 48 billion dollar loan between mr. trump and one of his companies. issues of that outside monitors says may reflect a lack of adequate internal controls joining me now is justice department reporter and coauthor of the trump trials newsletter. also with me is former federal prosecutor christine greenberg. christine the new...
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jones who gave the report to engoron that said among other things she found missing disclosure, typosmath errors and questions about an $48 million loan to trump and his company. it may reflect out of control controls. >> it's interesting here, the judge appoints judge jones as a monitor, so she's been on top of the organization and its books for over a year now. and her report says there are problems. what's interesting not that there are problems here and there, monitors often find those things, but the trump organization's reaction to her report. when have a monitor, you need to be on your best behavior. you want to be saying, sure, tell me what's wrong. oh, maybe i can persuade you there's no problem if not let me fix the problem. judge engoron is about to decide not only how many millions of dollars in damages and donald trump can do business in new york. you're regulated in new york. the government has a right to protect consumers and so on. they're basically showing they're not abe to be regulated. they're not even response eye to this monitor appointed to oversee them. that is
jones who gave the report to engoron that said among other things she found missing disclosure, typosmath errors and questions about an $48 million loan to trump and his company. it may reflect out of control controls. >> it's interesting here, the judge appoints judge jones as a monitor, so she's been on top of the organization and its books for over a year now. and her report says there are problems. what's interesting not that there are problems here and there, monitors often find...
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many of his properties are being monitored by a federal judge, barbara jones, who has to approve anyr of assets. it's a complicated web. >> very complicated. all right. this is another wrinkle. this has nothing to do with e. jean carroll. it's now about reporting and about smart-matic a company that says they were defamed by donald trump. one american news, oan, sent an explosive email to the trump campaign lawyer, sidney powell, with a spreadsheet claiming to have the -- contain the passwords of employees from the voting technology company smart-matic. is this criminal? what could happen in this case? >> we don't know if it's criminal. the details are murky. the court hasn't noted who was actually emailing those things. we know the timeframe is concurrent with -- remember, sidney powell, we know her because she pleaded guilty to fani willis' reco claims. that had to do with yoallegatio she was spewing about dominion, their machines turning trump votes to biden. it all sort of adds up when you look at those facts. those are all circumstantial. we have a lot to go in this case. it see
many of his properties are being monitored by a federal judge, barbara jones, who has to approve anyr of assets. it's a complicated web. >> very complicated. all right. this is another wrinkle. this has nothing to do with e. jean carroll. it's now about reporting and about smart-matic a company that says they were defamed by donald trump. one american news, oan, sent an explosive email to the trump campaign lawyer, sidney powell, with a spreadsheet claiming to have the -- contain the...
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furthermore, from the document we just got from the court monitor, former judge barbara jones, there's a lot you don't see in from's financial statements that raise questions about reality versus fiction, as we just saw with the supposedly relationship between the judge and roberta kaplan that didn't exist. so, this is going to be very revealing about how much of a house of cards donald's finances are. >> one more legal development to tell you about, the special prosecutor in the george interference case against the former president, will not testify in the hearing tomorrow after he reached a settlement in his divorce. he will likely be asked about allegations that have sidetracked the case, about the affair with fani willis, the prosecutor of the case. >> up next what biden is saying about the price to be paid for the drone attack in jordan which killed three americans and wounded more. also remarkable details about this israeli special forces undercover raid at a hospital in the west bank, how they disguise themselves and who they say they killed, that's just ahead. things have gotte
furthermore, from the document we just got from the court monitor, former judge barbara jones, there's a lot you don't see in from's financial statements that raise questions about reality versus fiction, as we just saw with the supposedly relationship between the judge and roberta kaplan that didn't exist. so, this is going to be very revealing about how much of a house of cards donald's finances are. >> one more legal development to tell you about, the special prosecutor in the george...
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that independent monitor, barbara jones, accused the company of providing incomplete or incorrect information about his finances. her report also refers to a questionable 48 million dollar loan between trump and one of his companies that turned out not to exist at all. trump's lawyers called that a falsehood and delivered a mischaracterization, claiming the monitor is just trying to justify her work to get paid. this all comes as we wait to hear the judge's decision in the case, which simply shows just how much he has to pay. and it is unrelated but on top of the $87 million he was directed to pay e. jean carroll less than a week ago. joining me tonight to discuss, katie benner is here, pulitzer prize-winning reporter for the new york times, and our friend harry litman, former u.s. attorney and former deputy assistant attorney general. mr. lippman, what exactly is in this report that's got trump so fired up? what do we need to know about this 48 million dollar loan, and how could it impact the judges decision? >> first, the report is as opposed to find fraud. she's a monitor that after engoro
that independent monitor, barbara jones, accused the company of providing incomplete or incorrect information about his finances. her report also refers to a questionable 48 million dollar loan between trump and one of his companies that turned out not to exist at all. trump's lawyers called that a falsehood and delivered a mischaracterization, claiming the monitor is just trying to justify her work to get paid. this all comes as we wait to hear the judge's decision in the case, which simply...
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also, you know, the trump organ, there is former federal judge barbara jones, she is a monitor at the organ pending these appeals because we know letitia james wants 370 million. >> laura: did you notice that banner on msnbc trump's cash stockpile at risk. they seem so giddy. well, their real goal is not to save democracy. it never was. it was to humiliate donald trump, to strip him and strip his family of everything they have earned. >> he could go run a go fund me campaign. judge caplin can direct the trump properties be sold. they are not going to sell at the best prices. they are going to sell at fire sale prices. there is a people on the internet right now renamed e. jean carroll tower on fifth avenue in new york. >> once he has exhausted his appeals and if he has lost he will have to pay. if not pay, sell properties off. >> laura: these are odious people, joining me now david schoen former trump impeachment attorney, ari fleischer former house press secretary fox news contributor. ari, it's so obvious what is going on here. laughing about it. laughing about the penthouse you are
also, you know, the trump organ, there is former federal judge barbara jones, she is a monitor at the organ pending these appeals because we know letitia james wants 370 million. >> laura: did you notice that banner on msnbc trump's cash stockpile at risk. they seem so giddy. well, their real goal is not to save democracy. it never was. it was to humiliate donald trump, to strip him and strip his family of everything they have earned. >> he could go run a go fund me campaign. judge...
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however, also, you know, the trump org, there is a former federal judge, barbara jones, a monitor at the trump org pending these appeals because of course we know letitia james wants 370 million. there are a lot of working parts here, a lot of different overlapping legal issues. we will have to stay tuned to see what happens. >> even for a billionaire, we're talking about something significant. there are trump supporters including among them, elise stefanik who say, you know, this is just people trying to bankrupt him, but nikki haley is using what happened in court on friday as a point of attack. let me play that. >> maybe it's fair, maybe it's not. i don't know. but what i do know is all of that time that he's spending in a courtroom defending himself he's not fighting for the american people. . >> and guess what, there are 91 charges, so the rest of this year, that's what we're going to be hearing about. you know who's watching that, russia, china, iran, that's who's watching it, that's why it's dangerous. >> we know that is not going to help her with his rabid base. they are neve
however, also, you know, the trump org, there is a former federal judge, barbara jones, a monitor at the trump org pending these appeals because of course we know letitia james wants 370 million. there are a lot of working parts here, a lot of different overlapping legal issues. we will have to stay tuned to see what happens. >> even for a billionaire, we're talking about something significant. there are trump supporters including among them, elise stefanik who say, you know, this is just...
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jones, extremely well respected, has done many high-profile cases, basically beyond reproach to getormation and her report said, you know, they were by and large cooperative but it was riddled with errors and some of them seem pretty platant and stinky. so that could well if nothing else make engoran think, you know, these guys are encoverageable. it's really more or less the same pattern. this is a part of james' case, count one, that he has already indicted for her and is up on appeal so in that sense it bolsters the entire six-count case that he's going to write up by, he says tomorrow. >> harry, help me under stand. the trump organization needs continued monitoring and writes, quote, absent steps to address the items my observations suggest misstatements and errors may continue to occur, which could result in incorrect or inaccurate reporting of financial information to third parties. i wonder does that mean the judge's ruling likely extends the work of the monitor? >> the work of the monitor would be extended in any event unless the appeal reversed his initial ruling. august sh
jones, extremely well respected, has done many high-profile cases, basically beyond reproach to getormation and her report said, you know, they were by and large cooperative but it was riddled with errors and some of them seem pretty platant and stinky. so that could well if nothing else make engoran think, you know, these guys are encoverageable. it's really more or less the same pattern. this is a part of james' case, count one, that he has already indicted for her and is up on appeal so in...
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jones.n prevent the trumps from transferring large sums of money back and forth between themselves, without advance notice to the monitor and to judge goran. so yes, it's technically possible, but it's not as if they can move $83.3 million out of the trump organization or out of one of their personal bank accounts without having to notify authorities as it is. in terms of the timing for judge ann goran, judge ann goran made a promise to the parties that he would try to render a decision by january 31st, but there's nothing saying he has to do that. indeed, he got a letter late last week from judge jones, where over 12 pages, she details ways in which the trump organization's financial reporting is still fundamentally flawed and places where she didn't get documentation of financial transactions where she would have expected to find it. chief among those, she said that a $48 million loan that donald trump made to his own companies in respect to the trump chicago property, she couldn't find an
jones.n prevent the trumps from transferring large sums of money back and forth between themselves, without advance notice to the monitor and to judge goran. so yes, it's technically possible, but it's not as if they can move $83.3 million out of the trump organization or out of one of their personal bank accounts without having to notify authorities as it is. in terms of the timing for judge ann goran, judge ann goran made a promise to the parties that he would try to render a decision by...