hodgers was present, and who just then, he then led this entire, this entire group, and just then hepoke a lot about defense, nato, american troops, to which the german generals present told him: but we can’t do anything, we destroyed our air defense system, we don’t exist at all, you might say, we don’t need this, the germans have now returned to this bundeswehr, in particular, i know that it was the people there who insisted on this, they came to this conclusion that they can now create their own air defense system, well , firstly, let’s just say, they have already tested irist in ukraine, the germans still don’t have these systems in the bundesphere, but now they... what they gave to ukraine, what ukraine did, they tested, now they are creating their own new shield, they can now sell this new giant industrial machine that will make money, they will sell and prepare all this, i don’t know who will buy it , who will pay for it, but at least that’s how it was stated, and there is one more point that is also very important to understand, if you interpret the words correctly scholz, ge