rigby and went straight to beth rigby and i just thought they're already set up what they're going to do, what they're going to say , madeleine, do you really to say, madeleine, do you really think that these debates will be useful? because you seem to think they would be, but yet they're all really staged. the questioning will be all the usual sort of thing. and as sean is saying , usual sort of thing. and as sean is saying, you usual sort of thing. and as sean is saying , you know, usual sort of thing. and as sean is saying, you know, we'd usual sort of thing. and as sean is saying , you know, we'd rather is saying, you know, we'd rather people, in a sense, was talking to the public directly about the issues that matter to them rather than just talking to each other. >> i don't know, i mean, i think it's good it's good for leaders to have that sort of cut and thrust and the opportunity to piece each other apart. but i mean, it's it doesn't mean that you can't also have strong interviews. by the way, i'm not saying that i think we should have, you know , one a week or have, you know,