brad meltzer we appreciate your time today oncan you lay out why the colorblind principle? yes. so there's been a lot of confusion about what the word colorblindness mean. many people think that colorblindness means pretend you don't. but in my book, i try to get rid of that perception because we all see race. everyone sees race and help it. everyone watching this notices that i am of color and and so forth. so with the knowledge that we can all see race, we're all capable of racial bias. what i mean by colorblindness book is that we try our best to treat people without regard to race, both in our lives. the less controversial piece and in our public policy. that's what i mean by colorblind. one of the reasons the notion colorblindness has become so contrived racial seems to be rooted in what is broadly understood as anti-racism, which you also define as near racism. you discuss two of the most high profile proponents of that ideology. robin d'angelo and max kendi. what is an anti-racism or near racism, and how did it become so influential? so what is today called anti-racism? w