raffensperger and the president wants to speak, she relents, gets brad raffensperger to relent.he knows the risks that raffensperger is facing and she's determined to protect the call. she's on the call, but you never hear her voice. she put herself on mute and taped the whole thing. i talked to colleagues, they would have never had the guts to do what jordan did. as we say in the book, it was the most consequential act of the post election battle because it delivered the actual evidence of trump's -- the extent of trump's pressure campaign. >> there's such value in this book, sorry, i'm actually touching the book right now because there are so many disparate elements. you have that as the most consequential or significant, but it's felt like there are 50,000 pieces of this investigation that are moving and uncovered at various points and, you're able to kind of bring it all together. what was striking to me, danny, is the role that qanon in the backdrop of all of this played in that through line to some degree, which i don't know that people necessarily recognize. >> i think th

who played a more high profile role in this space than brad raffensperger. as michael kang said in the previous segment, election administration has largely certainly in much of my 40 years of covering politics been kind of a technical subject that didn't get a whole lot of attention, but changes in our politics and particular events that have happened have added a huge amount of drama to it both inherent in the closeness of elections that we've had, but also in the conduct of individuals who've had to implement election laws in a very tough environment. robert carro, the great biographer of lyndon johnson, wrote that power doesn't corrupt, it reveals. and i think that we all got a revelatory moment about brad raffensperger in 2020, with the release of that tape that showed him getting pressure from the most powerful person in the world to do something that he thought was wrong, and he resisted the pressure, he didn't do it. and so, i guess my question -- that's to your credit obviously, my question for you is, since we're trying to provide some guidance to

played a more high profile role in this space than brad raffensperger. as michael kang said in the previous segment, election administration has largely certainly in much of my 40 years of covering politics been kind of a technical subject that di't get a whole lot of attention, but changes in our politics and particular events that have happened have added a huge amount of drama to it both inherent in the closeness of elections that we've had, but also in the conduct of individuals who've had to implement election laws in a very tough environment. robert carro, the great biographer of lynd johnson, wrote that power doesn't corrupt, it reveals. and i think that we all got a revelatory moment about brad raffensperger in 2020, with the release of that tape that showed him tting pressure from the most powerful person in the world to do something that he thought was wrong, and he resist the pressure, he didn't do it. and so, i guess my question -- that's to your credit obviously, my question for you is, since we're trying to provide some guidance to younger

brad raffensperger: we have now counted-- jake tapper: in georgia, brad raffensperger's wife received disturbing messages. brad raffensperger: people started threatening her, sending her sexualized texts, those kind of intimidations. speaker: do you swear-- jake tapper: georgia election worker shaye moss testified before the house select committee about threats she received via facebook messenger. shaye moss: a lot of threats, wishing death upon me, telling me that i'll be in jail with my mother-- jake tapper: these threats happened after rudy giuliani spread lies about her and her mother ruby freeman who was counting votes with moss at state farm arena in atlanta on election night. rudy giuliani: tape, earlier in the day, of ruby freeman and shaye freeman moss, and one other gentleman quite obviously surreptitiously passing around usb ports as if they're vials of heroin or cocaine. i mean, it's obvious to anyone who's a criminal investigator or prosecutor, they are engaged in surreptitious illegal activity. adam schiff: what was your mom actually handing you on that video? shaye moss

it was known that she subpoenaed him early on, because he, too, had called secretary of state brad raffensperger -- >> whether he was just doing trump's bidding. he fought the subpoenas and norway challenged it, went all the way up to the court, through the court of the appeals i, believe, and got turned down. he had to testify. it's a ghost siesta phi, before the special grand jury, and according to one source with his testimony, he throws trump under the bus. he talks about how if martians told trump that the election had been stolen, he'd believe them. he suggested that trump cheated at golf. and then, after the testimony, he runs into fani willis, the district attorney, who is walking out of the grand jury room and he thanks her for giving him the opportunity to testify since that was so cathartic, then he hugs her. he hugs the district attorney that was pursuing. >> calling it cathartic was the most revealing thing about it, anderson. remember, lindsey graham, his mentor was john mccain who was the maverick, who blocked his party based on his own personal convictions. and then, lindsey grah

who played a more hi profile role in this space than brad raffensperger.chael kang said in the previous segment, election administration has largely certainly in much of my 40 years of covering politics been kind of a technical subject that didn't get a whole lot of attention, but changes iour politics and particular events that have happened have added a huge amount of drama to it both inherent in the closeness of elections that we've had, but also in the conduct of individuals who've had to implement election laws in a very tough environment. robert carro, the great biographer of lyndon johnson, wrote that power doesn't corrupt, it reveals. and i think that we all got a revelatory moment about brad raffenerger in 2020, with the release of that tape that showed him getting pressure from the most powerful peon in the world to do something that he thought was wrong, and he resisted the pssure, he didn't do it. and so, i guess my question -- that's to your credit obviously, my question for you is, since we're trying to provide some guidance to younger report

just a set the stage here, brad raffensperger was the secretary of state, trump and his team are adamant about pressuring raffensperger to alter the results of the election, mark meadows the white house chief of staff contacts raffensperger's chief of staff only 30 years old -- republican consultant strategist who's hired and chief of staff, and had been with raffensperger through all the turmoil after the election. >> just to be clear, just to set the contacts, you are the chief of staff in the georgia secretary of state. -- chief of staff calling. that is a big thing. >> they were trying to contact raffensperger immediately, but he did not want to touch them because they are in litigation. trump is suing them. and, they know the danger for raffensperger to -- that phone call, and she owned her own makes the decision unilateral decision and she's on the phone call, but you never hear her go. she did not but herself -- she did not tell meadows she was taking, and not tell trumpiest, taking it one problem that -- this tape went wild is that she happened to be in florida, visiting grandpar

. >> she subpoenaed him early on because he had -- he too had called secretary of state brad raffensperger there are questions whether he was just doing trump's bidding. he fought the subpoena, said no way, challenged it, went all the way up to through the court of appeals, i believe, and he got turned down. he had to testify. so he goes to testify. before the special grand jury, and according to one source here with his testimony, he throws trump under the bus. he talks about how, you know, if martians told trump that the election had been stolen, he'd believe them. he suggested that trump cheated at golf. and then after the testimony, he runs into fani willis, the district attorney as he is walking out of the grand jury room, and he thanks her for giving him the opportunity to testify. he says that was so cathartic. and then he hugs her. he hugs the district attorney. >> i didn't know he was a hugger. >> that was pursuing the president of the united states. >> i think calling it cathartic was the most revealing thing about it, anderson. lindsey graham, his mentor was john mccain, who was

you're going to hear from brad raffensperger, the georgia secretary of state. goodness knows he and his colleagues were real heroes in first bringing off the election and then standing up for the accuracy of their system against really a historically unprecedented onslaught. from your perspective, in needing to cover the 2024 election, get to know your local election administrators, and the way they explain the accuracies of their system. and the other part of the 2020 election that i think was a great success was the way that courts took on these unprecedented onslaughts. and judges including many appointed by donald trump who was saying the election was not accurate rejected the trump be an argument -- trumpian arguments. in that sense the institution of the judiciary and the sanctity of the elections was indeed a success and unprecedented times. it was a first crack in the armor of people believing in the credibility of our elections >> i've heard 2020 described as a dress rehearsal, for people who might be interested in overturning election, which didn't ha

you're going to hear from brad raffensperger, the georgia secretary of state. goodness knows he and his colleagues were real heroes in first bringing off the election and then standing up for the accuracy of their system against really a historically unprecedented onslaught. from your perspective, in needing to cover the 2024 ection, get to know your local election administrators, and the way they explain the accuracies of their system. and the other part of the 2020 election that i think was a great success was the way that courts took on these unprecedented onslaughts. and judges including many appointed by donald trump who was saying the election was not accurate rejected the trump be an argument -- trumpian arguments. in that sense the institution of the judiciary and the sanctity of the elections was indeed a success and unprecedented times. it was a first crack in the armor of pple believing in the credibility of our elections >> i've heard 2020 descbed as a dress rehearsal, for people who might be interested in overturning election, which didn't happen i

jim, we all heard the tape of former president trump pressuring georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger. that's where the focus needs to be. it needs to be on getting this case to the jury so we can know one way or the other whether guilty or innocent. did trump criminally abuse his powers to attempt to overturn an election while he is seeking to regain them? that's where the focus should be. that's why mr. wade should step aside. >> is that going to satisfy the critics of willis if it's just wade that steps down? >> i think what's going to happen here -- i hope mr. wade, who has had a very successful run on this case. they have won almost everything -- he has defeated some of the most distinguished lawyers in the country in leading this team. the combination of mr. wade voluntarily, considering stepping aside, d.a. willis will file a motion, georgia law does not make a relationship among consenting adults improper. i think the judge is going to rule, it's not required that anyone leave under georgia law. but the public will be reassured by that. i think it's necessary to move forward a

. >> you mentioned tapes, i'm thinking brad raffensperger and what's happening in georgia. today, there was a motion by the trump legal team to get rid of that case on the same grounds. immunize one place. does that hold water? you're talking about immunity in a federal court setting. does it translate in the states? >> it depends what the courts hold. if he is immune from criminal prosecution, he's immune in state court, as well. that's why the stakes are enormous. it's not just the january 6th case in washington. it's also the rico case in georgia. potentially also the new york prosecution to go to trial in march. >> that's the hush money payment. >> the hush money payment recording stormy daniels. it would be a tough argument to make in the mar-a-lago documents case. it seems like all of the criminal conduct alleged there took place after he was president. the stakes in this case, the one being argued tomorrow, are bigger than the january 6th case. >> just in our conversation, we have to clarify which case we're talking about when it relates to donald trump. this is mind

raffensperger, just found 11,780 votes that didn't exist.e the focus needs to be. we need to get the case on track, moving quickly. a trial has been requested for 2024. and not discussing this relationship. not mandatory, but he should do the right thing. >> one of the questions here is, wade, this prosecutor, has made more than $650,000 on prosecuting this case so far, paid through willis' office. it's taxpayer money. mike roman, his legal team, one of the co-defendants s here is saying, their argument is by using that money to buy plane tickets to go on tropical vacations is not okay. and what they're alleging here is that willis could possibly be prosecuted herself for honor services fraud or federal rack racketeering. do you think that holds any legal water or is that a stretch? >> it's ridiculous, poppy. mr. wade is a former judge, he's an experienced lawyer. he's done a terrific job up until now leading this team. he's had a serious of successes. the team he's led has defeated some of the most prominent attorneys in the country. in a s

raffensperger find me the votes.d the instinct to record that call. >> one of the extraordinary stories of the entire post-election battle. i mean, remember, trump was trying to get in touch with raffensperger for weeks, and raffensperger was ducking talking to him because he was -- the trump campaign was suing the secretary of state's office. he was a defendant in a lawsuit brought by trump, and he knew the dangers of getting on the phone with trump, but finally as the days were getting closer to january 6th and the trump people were more and more desperate, mark meadows, the white house chief of staff calls this young woman, jordan fuchs, the chief of staff to brad raffensperger and says the president really wants to talk to your boss, and you know, fuchs goes to raffensperger, tells him, they finally relent. okay, they'll do the call, but our lawyer has to be on the call, you know. they were taking precaution, but fuchs knew the dangers of raffensperger getting on that phone call knowing trump's propensity for dis

raffensperger, to tamper with the vote count.later spilled all of his dirt to a grand jury and even expressed relief that he had finally come clean >> graham turned on a dime and, quote, threw trump under the bus during his grand jury testimony in fulton county, georgia. trump faces 13 charges in that state in connection with his efforts to steal the 2020 election. quote, "graham testified that if you told trump that martians came and stole the election, he would probably believe you." he also suggested to the grand juror that trump cheated at golf it got even weirder from there after graham was finished testifying, he bumped into district attorney fani willis in a hallway, and thanked her for the opportunity to tell his story. "that was so cathartic," he told willis "i feel so much better." then, to the astonishment of one source who witnessed the scene, south carolina senior senator hugged the fulton county d.a according to one witness, willis was like, "whatever, dude. [ laughter ] >> seth: he spilled everything, then hugged t

. >> so brad raffensperger didn't know at the time?dn't tell raffensperger, meadows, and she didn't tell trump. it was -- >> a hinge of history. >> yes. >> the most consequential act of the post-election saga. >> so, daniel, we are seeing a lot of threats against people, prosecutors, politicians and the like who stand up to donald trump, swatting incidents. fani willis, the d.a. in fulton county, has received a lot of those. you have evidence, proof of calls, texts, emails, voice memos, assassination attempts? >> in the days before the indictment, these threats, intensifying against her. and her security staff, they noticed an assassination threat on a deep web dark web maga site. the best time to shoot her is when she leaves the building. they set up an elaborate operation that involves a body double. after the midnight indictment is -- she announces the indictment, which she -- after the indictment about one in the morning she and her team go to the back office where she changes out of her business attire into sweats, a t-shirt, and

. >> brad raffensperger is the 29th secretary of state of georgia, serving in this role since 2019. > accurate elections. >> he's a very strong christian, hand he's very conservative.n, he was an engineer. now, being an engineer allowed him to lean into the numbers, and lean into the data. he felt very comfortable with that, which is, you know, a rare thing for anybody in politics, because engineers are very mathematical, very linear, you know, not always the biggest personalities. >> i looked at, as the office osecretary of state, as how do we really improve the process of elections. all 159 counties had new election equipment with a verifiable paper ballot ready for the election of 2020. >> narrator: it was a phone call from the president that put raffensperger at the center of the hearings. (dial tone, phone dialing out) >> that phone call is one of the most powerful piec of evidence that's come out of this, this post-election period. (electronic beeping, indistinct chatter) (connecting tone) >> oh-- uh... >> mark meadows reached out to my deputy secretary of state, and she called

it stems from his infamous phone call with brad raffensperger in which hesked him to find him 11,780, her probe has expanded to include trump electors in states like georgia, testimony from folks like rudy gave to the georgia legislature, as well as efforts to harass a fulton county poll worker. in august, willis secured an indictment against trump and 18 others, including mark meadows. the case has been chugging along, but earer in january, there were some bombshell allegations against the d.a., alleging she was in an undisclosed romantic relationship with her special prosecutor on the case and may have financially benefited from the arrangement. the d.a. has not directly responded to those allegations. she talked a little bit defending the qualifications of the special prosecutor and how her critics are playing the race card. in the really taken up a lot of the oxygen in the room over the last couple of weeks. host: the georgia state senate has stepped into this in their own way. can you explain their actions? guest: they have created a committee a few days ago designed to investig

just to set the stage here brad as a secretary of state.ger to alter the results of the election. the white house chief of staff contacts a young, woman 30 year old republican consultant strategist who was hired as chief of staff and had been with raffensperger through all the turmoil after the election. >> just to be clear, you are the chief of staff of the georgia secretary of state. that's a big thing when that happens. they were trying to contact raffensperger, but he didn't touch them because they were in litigation. trump is suing them. jordan knows the danger for him to get on the phone with donald trump, who has a habit of distorting anything that would get set in that phone call. she, she on her own makes the unilateral decision that she will take the call. she's on the phone, call but you never hear her call. she put herself on mute, she didn't tell anyone who's taping it. chantal meadows, she didn't tell trump. one problem that arose after the tape went wild is that she happened to be in florida at the time visiting her grandpare

it stems from his infamous phone call with brad raffensperger in which he asked him to find him 11,780 votes. since then, her probe has expanded to include trump electors in states like georgia, testimony from folks like rudy gave to the georgia legislature, as well as efforts to harass a ltpoll worker. in august, willis secured an indictment against trump others, including mark meadows. the case has been chugging along, but earlier in january, there were some bombshell allegations against the d.a., alleging she was in an undisclosed romantic relationship with her special prosecutor on the case and may arrangement. the d.a. has not directly responded to those allegations. she talked a little bit defending the qualifications of the special prosecutor and how her critics are playing the race card. in the meantime, it has really taken up a lot of the oxygen in the room over the last couple of weeks. host: the georgia state senate has stepped into this in their own way. can you explain their actions? guest: they have created a committee a few days ago designed to investigate these allegati