breslin on. and then when you look at this this, i mean, when i got asked to do this, i said, i know i don't got to prepare for this. and then matt called up having half a heart attack one. and if i read the book and all this stuff and i hadn't. and then he came and got me a copy in. i read it over and and over. it was didn't just remind all i knew about jb, but it reminded me of things i had not fully realized. and i think that even if you read everything wrote as he was writing it, it's really important to do it now. and there's one line in one of his columns where he talks about when the when the past becomes important. and i think that's where we are now, history and the past is important because we have to look back for some guidance as to how the -- did we get here and jb is a pretty good guide to that. so, i mean, that's my anyway, i, i think dan has specific things he wants to talk about the book i'm probably driving him nuts here and i think, i think we're done. i was very honored to ask

host: professor beau breslin is our guest. political science professor and contributor to the fulcrum. he has been writing about project 20 tony five th -- project 2025 there. the phone lines are open. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. what is the fulcrum for folks who have not read it? guest: i'm glad you asked. the fulcrum is a daily digital publication that comes from the bridge alliance. a fantastic organization that tries to literally bridge the left and the right. figure out a way to have conversations across partisan tribalism. that organization has been going on for more than a decade. they put out a daily publication called the fulcrum. they are doing a 30-piece series on project 2025. i contributed a couple to the 30-piece, but they are literally taking each individual chapter and talking and across partisan way about the way some of the things are coming out and the ways we could think differently about each of the targets of project 2025. i encourage all of your l

host: professor beau breslin is our guest.olitical science professor and contributor to the fulcrum. he has been writing about project 20 tony five th -- project 2025 there. the phone lines are open. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. what is the fulcrum for folks who have not read it? guest: i'm glad you asked. the fulcrum is a daily digital publication that comes from the bridge alliance. a fantastic organization that tries to literally bridge the left and the right. figure out a way to have conversations across partisan tribalism. that organization has been going on for more than a decade. they put out a daily publication called the fulcrum. they are doing a 30-piece series on project 2025. i contributed a couple to the 30-piece, but they are literally taking each individual chapter and talking and across partisan way about the way some of the things are coming out and the ways we could think differently about each of the targets of project 2025. i encourage all of your lis

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host: professor breslin on donald trump? guest: i didn't accuse him of lying. i said it's hard to believe. that is my personal opinion. you are right about that. at the end of the day, i don't actually know. that said, 140 of the authors have some relationship with him. if i am a betting man, i am going to assume that he at least knew this was being done and perhaps had informal conversations. but that is entirely speculative. you might be right, trump might in fact know nothing about it. host: burnsville, minnesota, larry, democrat, you are next. caller: mr. breslin, i am interested in what project 2025 is going to do to social security, medicare, medicaid. i understand it will got those programs -- gut those programs? guest: to be fair to project 2025, in one of the interviews on c-span they talked a little about this, the person we ought to think about is a major player and the former director of the omb. he speaks at length about >> you can watch all of our programs at c-span.org. we take you live to baltimore for the netroots nation discussion on the 2024

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