. >> brian: need closure. >> exactly. >> brian: bring in lawrence, in wisconsin, there were protestsre -- i mean, in minnesota, texas, rice, massachusetts, mit and topps, berkeley and california. this is organized and well funded, lawrence. >> lawrence: well-funded and well organized. they don't like the media coverage unless you stand with the pro-hamas cause. we have been trying to talk with the people to figure out what they believe. on columbia, they try to negotiate and you can't negotiate with people not in reality. yesterday i went to college campus and these are some myths said. >> we are here to advocate for palestinians and gaza and there is more casualty on the palestinian side. not trying to compare the sides. people are like october 7, no, this is since 1948. >> look at gaza, it is inhumane. >> what about the jewish community, the women raped, kids put into ovens. >> wait, that was -- that was denied. was that not denied? >> it actually happened. i talked with -- >> i don't know the resources -- >> lawrence: you feel like you can separate the two and say talk about the h