today, the likes of carol vorderman for example, saying that. >> but then i've also seen a great numberople disputing that figure. and i was trying to find out what the actual figure is, and it's proven quite difficult. >> well, i think there is a level of opaqueness, if you like, around some of this, but picking up on sean's interesting point about the rights of mps who are charged with things, i noficed who are charged with things, i noticed there are safeguards in this vote so that any investigation or any decision to exclude would remain confidential , and exclude would remain confidential, and an exclude would remain confidential , and an excluded mp confidential, and an excluded mp could still apply for a proxy vote, meaning another mp could cast a vote on their behalf. because i think the bigger thing underpinning all this, which was why i was so moved by what jess phillips mp said, is that not enough , accusations of rape lead enough, accusations of rape lead to charges? >> well, let's look at what jess phillips says. you've teed it up nicely for me. in case you're not familiar w