so chesebro is cooperating in multiple state investigations into that fake elector scheme. and when he was asked last year about whether he used social media, he said no, listen to this you have any social media presence, facebook, instagram. >> i mean, no. i for whatever. i mean for linear alternate ids that you're using for that kind of stuff. >> no. i mean, i don't i don't do any twitting so chesebro has portrayed himself as sort of a moderate middleman who >> claimed he was misled by more radical elements within the trump campaign about how they planned on using fake electors. but the secret tweet treats really reveal an entirely different story. they show how he promoted a far more aggressive strategy. then he later told investigators, and now we were able to link this anonymous account. it was called a bajaur pundit to chesebro based on various details, we found that matched his biography and his lawyers then later admitted to cnn that chesebro was behind it, and i want to walk people through some of the contradictions here. here is a really important what chesebro to

i'm talking about kenneth chesebro. he's the lawyer who pleaded guilty last year in the georgia election subversion case. he then cooperated with prosecutors in georgia and in other states across the country to avoid more charges. but he concealed from those prosecutors the secret twitter account that our team discovered. and here's why this really matters. it shows that he was promoting a far more aggressive election subversion strategy than he led on cnn's marshall cohen has been working on this martial. so she's chesebro, i should say, hid his secret account from prosecutors in michigan. and there are tapes to there are dana and look, when you cooperate you need to tell the truth and cnn's k >> team uncovered a secret twitter that chesebro concealed from prosecutors in michigan and dozens of tweets from 2020h them about his role in the scheme we also obtained the audio of chesebro's michigan interview. so you can hear it for yourself. when he was asked directly if he uses social media, he said no, take a listen. >> y

gore and chesebro worked on bush v. gore. so eventually his lawyers did confirm to cnn that he was behind the account. they did say there was clearly a conflict between the tweets and what chesebro told investigators and they get give us this statement where they said when he was doing volunteer work for the campaign, he gave specific kinds of legal advice based on things that he thought were legitimate legal challenges of verse badger punton, who is this guy over there? just being a goof, just being a good as being a goop. right. but of course, you know, he lied. that's that's what happened. at least they say there's clearly a conflict where they put it. >> all right. andrew. thank you very much. and outfront, legal analyst ryan goodman is with me now. i mean, it's pretty amazing. so andrew connects all these dots. k file goes to the team for chesebro and they say, clearly there's a conflict where there's no denying this at this point though it's important to remember chesebro was so central in the fake elector scheme. that'

gore and chesebro worked on bush v. gore. so eventually his lawyers did confirm to cnn that he was behind the account. they did say there was clearly a conflict between the tweets and what chesebro told investigators and they get give us this statement where they said, when he was doing volunteer work for the campaign, he gave specific kinds of legal advice based on things that he thought were legitimate legal challenges of verse badgerpundit, who is this guy over there? just being a goof. just being a good as being a goof. right. but of course, he lied. that's that's what happened. at least they say there's clearly a conflict where they put it. >> all right. andrew. thank you very much. and outfront legal analyst ryan goodman is with me now i mean, it's pretty amazing andrew connects all these dots. kfile goes to the team for chesebro and they say clearly there's a conflict, right? but there's no denying this at this point though. it's important to remember just what was so central in the fake elector scheme. that's why andr

chesebro's lawyers confirmed to cnn that the badgerpundit account did in fact belonged to chesebro his attorney described the account as chesebro is quote, random stream of consciousness that he used to spit ball theories about the election, but insisted it was separate from his work as a lawyer for the trump campaign >> a lot to talk about here. let's do that. joining us is former manhattan prosecutor jeremy saland. it's good to see you, jeremy john laid it out really well how much of a problem and how much trouble is this secret secret twitter account? and what we know chesebro had said in depositions i think it's very, very serious. in fact, when you're a prosecutor in a criminal defense attorney, you tell that person walking into what we call a queen for a day. this agreement, you work truthful, you were honest because what you say here can potentially be used against you. and if you lie, it will and take separate from that. if you are cooperating any formal agreement and you will have to be upfront and disclosed and you fail to do so if in the four corners of that agreement, it co

we're talking about kenneth chesebro. chesebro was the right-wing attorney who helped devise the fake electors plot. the scheme to appoint fake presidential electors that republican and legislatures would then use to overturn the actual results of the 2020 popular vote in key states. chesebro has already pleaded guilty to a crime in the georgia election subversion case, and he cooperated with prosecutors and other states so that he could avoid additional charges. let's get more details from cnn's marshall cohen, who is breaking the story with kfile. marshall, tell us about these tweets and could chesebro be at legal risk for seemingly hiding them? >> jake, he could listen when you cooperate, you need to tell the truth and cnn's k team uncovered a secret twitter that cheseboro concealed from prosecutors in michigan. there are dozens of tweets from 2020 that undercut what he later told prosecutors about his role in this game now, we've also obtained the audio of chesebro's michigan interview. so you can hear it for yourself

we're talking about kenneth chesebro chesebro was the right-wing attorney who helped devise the fake electors plot. the scheme to a appoint fake presidential electors that republican legislatures would then use to overturn the actual results of the 2020 popular vote in key states. chesebro has already pleaded guilty to a crime in the georgia election subversion case, and he cooperated with prosecutors and other states so that he could avoid additional charges. let's get more details from cnn's marshall cohen who is breaking the story with kfile. marshall, tell us about these tweets and could chesebro be at legal risk for seemingly hiding them? >> jake, he could listen when you cooperate, you need to tell the truth and cnn's kfile team uncovered a secret twitter that cheseboro concealed from prosecutors in michigan. there are dozens of tweets from 2020 that undercut what he later told prosecutors about his role in the scheme now, we've also obtained the audio of chesebro's michigan interview so you can hear it for yourself. when he was asked directly if he used social media, if he had

i should only give the documents to ken chesebro.ith him outside the trump hotel. >> i mean, it sounds very secretive. >> i thought that email was pretty odd and dramatic. >> and you knew what was happening on january 6th, in terms of the certification of the vote? >> i don't know if i was very tuned into that truly because i thought that a court of law would have needed to overturn an election for those documents to be used. >> did you know what chesebro looked like? >> he actually sent me a selfie so i would know -- >> he sent you a selfie so you would know it was him? >> yeah. >> can i see it? >> yeah. >> she still has the photo saved on her phone. that's ken chesebro. >> mm-hmm. >> what did he say to you? >> he took a dramatic step back and looked at me and said, you might have just made history. >> reporter: ken chesebro told investigators he delivered the documents to capitol hill. the next day, on january 6th, he could be seen in videos outside the capitol, near conspiracy theorist, alex jones. >> i want to look even more deep

chesebro's secret account was called "badgerpundit." no.gerpundit is not the alias of a wisconsin-based election denier, badgerpundit is a new cartoon show i am writing where a badger works at a 24-hour news network for animals that is headquartered in a big tree and is called "tree-nn." their rival network is still fox news with actual foxes. call me, paramount+! there's a huge story from when [applause] we were on break that we haven't talked about yet -- the alabama supreme court ruled that frozen embryos are children. this surprised a lot of people, and proves beyond question that they do not know what children are. "y'know, kids! you keep 'em in a vat of liquid nitrogen at negative 320 degrees. that's why they're called "chill" dren. they're not warm-dren!" [applause] one of the guys behind this decision is a christian nationalist -- alabama chief justice and off-duty cap'n crunch, tom parker. obviously, parker's ruling is disastrous for people trying to have children with ivf. because it would force parents to pay for lifelong storage

the likes of rudy giuliani and ken chesebro and donald trump.on and giving him that advice knew it was wrong advice and knew it was part of a broader conspiracy which is why jack smith has the former president dead to rights when we start to see interviews like this. >> claire mccaskill as david jolly was speaking i could see your prosecutor eyes light up at the suggestion this was all going to be about process. >> i don't know where andrew hitt got his law degree but he needs to call them and ask them for his money back. the idea -- this is not -- andrew hitt was not some uneducated roux, this is an attorney. i'm sorry, i think he's trying to cover himself now. i think he's, you know, worried about what went down and he's trying to say a lawyer told me. well, he is a lawyer for gosh sakes. why didn't he check what the precedent was. there is no law anywhere that allows people to pretend they are electors from a state when they're not. anywhere. so it is ridiculous that he is now saying i was just told by a lawyer. well, that's just silly. and t

ken chesebro was represented by a man named scott grooveman and manny aurora.lump sum payment from save america. it goes on and on. some of the expenses there are not legal at all. there are six $18,000 payments to man named erv pierre, he is best known as melania trump's stylist. >> they consider him a consultant, correct? >> he's a strategy consultant. >> okay. now donald trump has tweeted that he's interviewing law firms because he's going to appeal the verdict from the jury in the e. jean carroll case. i don't think an appeal is any shock to anybody. but what are the challenges for any firm that decides to take on the case? >> the challenges here are huge. let's start with the fact that it's a jury verdict and not a bench trial. there is some deference that any appellate court pays to the finder of fact. now, can they challenge certain evidentiary decisions? sure. can they challenge perhaps the most important decision of all, which is judge kaplan's ruling that an earlier jury's verdict on virtually identical issues, namely that donald trump did sexually as

an attorney by the name of kenneth chesebro wrote a memo the memo advocated electors for trump should for the then-president while the legitimate electors were doing the same for biden they wanted to file these documents on the idea that in case donald trump were to prevail in >> litigation, then they could submit those certificates to congress. the problem is that it's switched at a certain point from contingent electors to false electors >> state and federal judges dismissed more than 50 lawsuits presented by trump's team challenging the election instead of the trump electors voting as a contingency should court cases prevail court cases became the cover to organize the electors it was a farce. it was just to keep the image up of the idea that this is being litigated in court and therefore it's legitimate and it was not legitimate. they knew that there weren't going to win the campaign. was central to this effort because you can't pull this off without the apparatus of the political campaign four days before the electors were scheduled to vote. kenneth chesebro sent to the targeted

hitting the trump campaign's legal efforts and was it's konstan, an attorney by the name of kenneth chesebro, wrote a memo. the memo advocated electors for trump should meet and cast votes for the then president while the legitimate electors were doing the same for biden >> they wanted to file these documents on the idea that in case donald trump were to prevail in litigation then they could submit those certificates to congress. the problem is that it's switched at a certain point from contingent electors to false electors >> state and federal judges dismissed more than 50 lawsuits presented by trump's team challenging the election instead of the trump electors voting as a contingency should court cases prevail. court cases became the cover to organize the electors it was a farce, it was just to keep the image up of the idea that this is being litigated in court and therefore its >> legitimate and it was not legitimate. they knew that there weren't going to want the campaign was central to this effort. >> because you >> can't pull this off without the apparatus of the political campaign fou

. >> i will say as i say good-bye to you guys, one of the people that they did pay was kenneth chesebro. he took a plea anyway. >>> coming up, why one gop lawmaker is talking about america becoming a, quote, post-constitution society. >>> also, what's the hottest new trend among ultra rush and what it says about our country's wealth gap. that's right, million dollar closets. >>> and by the end of the hour, elmo sparks serious conversations about america's mental health. >>> first, gop lawmakers busted for opposing legislation just because it might help joe biden. because it might help joe biden. meet the traveling trio. each helping to protect their money with chase. wooo! tools that help protect. alerts that help check. one bank that puts you in control. chase. make more of what's yours. >>> it doesn't get more brazen than this. republican senator chuck grassley threatening to block money for american families because, quote, passing a tax bill would make president biden look good. he's talking about a bipartisan bill that just passed the house to give money to low income families with

talking points memo in the emails that they have obtained, the trump attorney at the time, kenneth chesebroous efforts to invalidate the electoral count act. one pathway even involved having senator chuck grassley file a test case before the supreme court. what do you make of that lawyering? is that good lawyering? >> first, how are we only finding out about this now? to me, if january 6th is a multi hour event, and that is a lot different in contacts than multi day planned event. that goes much more strongly to allegations of insurrection, or other criminal allegations that are currently being made. i'm just astonished we're finding out about it now. what you just asked goes to the core of some of the attorney defendants defense. which is basically, hey, where lawyers. we were just musing, waxing on about some of the legal theories that just might work. and by the way, i won't completely denounced that biden said defense. it's available one, i don't think it'll be successful. but look to them to make that argument. some of them -- agreed to plead guilty. but to the extent there attorneys -

chesebro, to assist you in this matter, correct? >> was it after that so i heard mr. chopra and i heard mr. graham now, mr. graham is here and when i received this subpoena mr. graham was here at the last hearing, but he also had to go out of town, but he was president. mr. graham called and i started getting calls from media and and i told him to respond to the media, i think in that was somewhere around whenever you subpoena at me. >> so it was i can't tell you that it was that instance of those calls for mr. chopra but i had engaged mr. chopra and mr. graham at that time to ask the question again because i didn't get an answer to it. after you got the phone call from gabe banks and from nathan wade, do you think it was before that but however, i think it was before that is what i'm stating >> when you got me banks he called me immediately. will actually you texted me and then you called me. >> i didn't call you immediately. but yes, we did speak >> and you texted me about it as well? >> that is correct >> and then we spoke after mr. wade called your friend and we t

are personal relationships among some of the lawyers, amanda clark palmer for clark, scot grubman for chesebronna ellis's attorneys are married, and she writes the state has not brought these relationships to the court's attention as a potential conflict because, one, consistent with the long-standing georgia authority cited above and including jones v. jones, there is no legal conflict raised by these personal relationships, and two, until the motion was filed, the private lives of the attorney participants in this trial were not a topic of discussion. does she have a point? >> well, yes and no. again, as to whether there is an actual conflict of interest here, they're on the same side. it's not as though she is involved with somebody who's on the other side that could create a impermissible conflict where their interests are not aligned. you know, she's not -- she's not involved with anybody that's a third party to the case that, again, could be affecting their judgment. so given that they're on the same side, i would tend to agree it doesn't create a conflict. but it does create a potential