chesterton and, and other other sort of traditionalist conservative, um , thinkers and conservative, um, thinkers and she seems to get on very well with rishi sunak. the personal chemistry is you see them and they it's rather, um, flirty , they it's rather, um, flirty, isn't it? and jokey and uh, um, tactile. they and that and that, uh , um, probably helps her. uh, um, probably helps her. i think, um, italy and the and the uk are a close, um , uh, allies. uk are a close, um, uh, allies. uh, so that helps. but, um , no, uh, so that helps. but, um, no, obviously some way towards, um , obviously some way towards, um, cracking the problem. yeah >> of course, the uk and italy, as you say, it's just two countries forming this deal and rishi sunak, uh, using the gathering of conservative italian leaders and right wingers is there a sense that he was just preaching to the converted yesterday and actually , there's a long road to go to try and create some kind of consensus with other european countries when it comes to migration . migration. >> yes, i think partly i think i think he would be