this young pastor chris winans. he's not a conservative of mega republican in fact, he's even like a little bit of lefty now. he's not like a full blown progressive democrat or anything. but chris is who his entire as it relates to politics is through the lens of scripture. so he doesn't particularly like guns, he doesn't like violence, he doesn't like wars, he doesn't like bad language, he doesn't like adulterers. he's he's he's kind of a strict, morally upright guy that would seem not to be a problem for some of your listeners who would say, well, yeah, church he's a pastor. what's the issue? well, in the context of a very conservative republican congregation in a very republican community like, the one i grew up in that puts bull's eye on your back. people can just tell if you don't speak the language if your cues are even a little bit off culturally, politically, they can pick that up. so this young guy, chris winans, comes and eventually my dad names him the successor. he takes over the church and things start

this young pastor chris winans. he's not a conservative of mega republican in fact, he's even like a little bit of lefty now. he's not like a full blown progressive democrat or anything. but chris is who his entire as it relates to politics is through the lens of scripture. so he doesn't particularly like guns, he doesn't like violence, he doesn't like wars, he doesn't like bad language, he doesn't like adulterers. he's he's he's kind of a strict, morally upright guy that would seem not to be a problem for some of your listeners who would say, well, yeah, church he's a pastor. what's the issue? well, in the context of a very conservative republican congregation in a very republican community like, the one i grew up in that puts bull's eye on your back. people can just tell if you don't speak the language if your cues are even a little bit off culturally, politically, they can pick that up. so this young guy, chris winans, comes and eventually my dad names him the successor. he takes over the church and things start