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. >> and back with us, chuck rosenberg, chuck, just your -- we've been fascinated by just the way thissupreme court asks questions, the way the justices ask questions, and sometimes even kind of interrupt each other, but this is pretty much how the supreme court is run. >> the dynamics are interesting. the justices ask whatever questions they want in whatever order they want. they can revisit questions. they can persist in their questioning. and of course they try to be courteous to one another and to the litigants, but the justices ask whatever is on their mind, presumably, jose, they've read the briefs, presumably they've discussed the case with their clerks. but you're quite right, the dynamics are fascinating. >> did it surprise you that the issue of insurrection, how it was defined or not defined was not a big part of that conversation. >> it wasn't. it wasn't until justice jackson brought it up that we even heard discussion about it. i thought mr. trump's lawyers response to that was quite interesting. he said a couple of things he said it was a riot, and he said it was shameful.
. >> and back with us, chuck rosenberg, chuck, just your -- we've been fascinated by just the way thissupreme court asks questions, the way the justices ask questions, and sometimes even kind of interrupt each other, but this is pretty much how the supreme court is run. >> the dynamics are interesting. the justices ask whatever questions they want in whatever order they want. they can revisit questions. they can persist in their questioning. and of course they try to be courteous to...
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attorney and msnbc contributor chuck rosenberg. and nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian is with us this morning. we have a lot going on. we'll start with the special counsel investigating president biden for his handling of classified documents will not bring charges against the president. that's the conclusion. he wrote in the report, wrote, our investigation uncovered evidence that president biden willfully retained and disclosed classiied materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen. he goes on to write that the president's actions, quote, present serious risks to national security, but then later in the report, herr conceded the ed, quote, does not establish mr. biden's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. the special counsel wrote that the president could also portray himself at trial as an elderly man with a poor memory who would be sympathetic to a jury. herr's description -- >> a urologist and a lawyer. >> let me finish, but i agree. >> we kind of need to stop there. >> you're talki
attorney and msnbc contributor chuck rosenberg. and nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian is with us this morning. we have a lot going on. we'll start with the special counsel investigating president biden for his handling of classified documents will not bring charges against the president. that's the conclusion. he wrote in the report, wrote, our investigation uncovered evidence that president biden willfully retained and disclosed classiied materials after his vice...
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attorney chuck rosenberg who will be with us in a minute.caroline, we have been watching this and it is so legal centric and so important and fascinating. >> right. don't let the legalese fool you. this is epic. this is monumental. if things are going in the direction we think, fani willis lied to the court, it is game over for her. she will be disqualiied if they had a relationship prior to when they represented to the court. it is a huge deal, like, i can't overstate it. >> do you feel the same way, charles, based on the testimony of what we just heard? and we just learned nathan wade who is the special prosecutor in this case, walked in the courtroom, he is being sworn in to testify now about this issue and his relationship with fani willis. let's listen. >> good morning, mr. wade. >> good morning. >> prior filing this motion to disqualify, you and i were friends, correct? >> yes. >> and in fact i supported you when you ran for judge in 2016. >> you did. >> i wore your shirts. my kids wore your shirts. >> your personal opinions have no re
attorney chuck rosenberg who will be with us in a minute.caroline, we have been watching this and it is so legal centric and so important and fascinating. >> right. don't let the legalese fool you. this is epic. this is monumental. if things are going in the direction we think, fani willis lied to the court, it is game over for her. she will be disqualiied if they had a relationship prior to when they represented to the court. it is a huge deal, like, i can't overstate it. >> do you...
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joining us now is chuck rosenberg. chuck, it's great to see you.or being here tonight. >> my pleasure. >> did i explain the basics of that correctly, that he's trying to effectively get the supreme court to take away that russian tactic, that tactic by which appeals court was trying to tell him you've got to end this appeals process at some point and get to trial? >> yes, good description. three-stepladder. step one would be the trial court. that's where the prosecutors want to be. that's where a jury would be seated, a trial would be conducted and verdict rendered. prosecutors want to be there and mr. trump does not. step two on that matter would be the appellate court. and what he'd like to do is be on number three, step three, the supreme court, or back in the appellate court. but by all means, rachel, to avoid step one, the trial court. >> what do you make of the strength of his argument and the strength of this filing overall and this approach? >> there's different arguments. the underlying argument he has absolute immunity i think is a weak a
joining us now is chuck rosenberg. chuck, it's great to see you.or being here tonight. >> my pleasure. >> did i explain the basics of that correctly, that he's trying to effectively get the supreme court to take away that russian tactic, that tactic by which appeals court was trying to tell him you've got to end this appeals process at some point and get to trial? >> yes, good description. three-stepladder. step one would be the trial court. that's where the prosecutors want...
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i see chuck rosenberg shaking his head. he's handled classified documents, and what he was saying is this is not the way you handle the nation's secrets. joining us is the host of "inside with jen psaki" and former press secretary for president biden, i think there are a lot of people out there asking a pretty simple question, what the heck? >> yeah, of course, look, i think we all remember last fall when the information was trickling out about the classified documents, and his supporters were asking what the heck. but i think what a lot of your guests, your legal guests have been outlining here is pretty important in terms of how people are digesting this, and how they will digest this. one, robert hur, who was appointed by donald trump, important to note, doesn't mean it changes anything. highlighted specifically in here the difference between what biden did, and what trump did. they're also the piece that there has been understandable focus on, that he wrote in his report here. about how they are betting, he would have p
i see chuck rosenberg shaking his head. he's handled classified documents, and what he was saying is this is not the way you handle the nation's secrets. joining us is the host of "inside with jen psaki" and former press secretary for president biden, i think there are a lot of people out there asking a pretty simple question, what the heck? >> yeah, of course, look, i think we all remember last fall when the information was trickling out about the classified documents, and his...
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joining us now is chuck rosenberg, former fbi official. chuck, great to see you.pleasure, rachel. >> did i explain the basics of that correctly, that he is trying to effectively get the supreme court to take away that rushing tactic, that tactic by which the appeals court was trying to tell him, you have to end this appeals process at some point and get to trial? >> yes, good description. i mean, think of it conceptually this way, three step ladder. you know, stepan would be the trial court. that's where the prosecutors want to be. that is where a jury would be seated. a trial would be conducted in a verdict -- prosecutors want to be there and mr. trump does not. step two on that latter would be the appellate court, where he recently lost unanimously on this claim of absolute immunity. what he would like to do now is either be on number three, step three, the supreme court, back in the appellate court, but by all means, rachel, to avoid step one, the trial court. >> what do you make of this, the strength of his argument and the strength of the filing overall in th
joining us now is chuck rosenberg, former fbi official. chuck, great to see you.pleasure, rachel. >> did i explain the basics of that correctly, that he is trying to effectively get the supreme court to take away that rushing tactic, that tactic by which the appeals court was trying to tell him, you have to end this appeals process at some point and get to trial? >> yes, good description. i mean, think of it conceptually this way, three step ladder. you know, stepan would be the...
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but that turns on a lot of ifs. >> chuck rosenberg, former u.s.ner of hard things. chuck as always, thank you so much for being with us, it's always great to have you. here >> my pleasure rachel, thank you. >> we'll be right back. thank you. >> we'll be right back. trappinn endless craving loop. nicorette reduces cravings until they're gone for good. when people switch their dog's food to the farmer's dog, the effects can seem like magic. but there's no magic involved. (dog bark) it's just smarter, healthier pet food. it's amazing what real food can do. the virus that causes shingles is sleeping... in 99% of people over 50. and it could strike at any time. think you're not at risk? wake up. because shingles could wake up in you. if you're over 50, talk to your doctor or pharmacist about shingles prevention. ♪3, 4♪ ♪ if you're over 50, talk to your doctor or pharmacist ♪hey♪ ♪ ♪are you ready for me♪ ♪are you ready♪ ♪are you ready♪ - bye, bye cough. - later chest congestion. hello 12 hours of relief. 12 hours!! mucinex dm gives you 12 hours of relie
but that turns on a lot of ifs. >> chuck rosenberg, former u.s.ner of hard things. chuck as always, thank you so much for being with us, it's always great to have you. here >> my pleasure rachel, thank you. >> we'll be right back. thank you. >> we'll be right back. trappinn endless craving loop. nicorette reduces cravings until they're gone for good. when people switch their dog's food to the farmer's dog, the effects can seem like magic. but there's no magic involved....
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attorney and msnbc contributor, chuck rosenberg. smirnov allegations, how significant is it, chuck, for david weiss to be the one who's brought this up? >> i mean, that's part of his charge, katy. he was told to investigate hunter biden and any crimes that he comes across as a result of that investigation. so you could almost flip the question. it would be odd for him not to charge a crime if his investigators came across one. >> the attorney for hunter biden, abbe lowell said what was david weiss doing. this enjoy took him down a rabbit hole for a year. what took him so long to figure out this was bologna. >> i don't know how long it took mr. weiss to figure out this was bologna or a crime. abbe lowell can say whatever he wants. he has a client to represent, and that probably explains some of what he's saying, katy, but investigators at the end of the day, determined that mr. smirnov had been lying to them serially over a long period of time and they charged him. >> what about the link to russian intelligence? >> important and seri
attorney and msnbc contributor, chuck rosenberg. smirnov allegations, how significant is it, chuck, for david weiss to be the one who's brought this up? >> i mean, that's part of his charge, katy. he was told to investigate hunter biden and any crimes that he comes across as a result of that investigation. so you could almost flip the question. it would be odd for him not to charge a crime if his investigators came across one. >> the attorney for hunter biden, abbe lowell said what...
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. >> joining me now is chuck rosenberg and former u.s.ey and senior fbi official, kristy greenberg, former criminal division deputy chief. thank you for being here, guys. chuck, let me start with you in terms of the scenario that secretary clinton paints there. the idea the supreme court might return this decision to the states. how realistic do you think that is coming from the high court? >> i have heard a lot of smart people say a lot of different things about what might happen. i would be lying to you if i told you that i knew. but secretary clinton's right. in the meeting, the elections are the province of the states. when polls open, when polls close, when mail-in ballots are due, all of those sorts of things, is it possible that the supreme court returns this to the states? i think so. it strikes me that it would be chaotic. >> completely chaotic, wouldn't it be? because what it is not just be up to, depending on what the process for getting a name on the ballot, the secretaries of state or the voters to sue the secretaries of stat
. >> joining me now is chuck rosenberg and former u.s.ey and senior fbi official, kristy greenberg, former criminal division deputy chief. thank you for being here, guys. chuck, let me start with you in terms of the scenario that secretary clinton paints there. the idea the supreme court might return this decision to the states. how realistic do you think that is coming from the high court? >> i have heard a lot of smart people say a lot of different things about what might happen....
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rosenberg, former u.s.rney and senior fbi official. it was a dramatic day in court yesterday, and we last heard fani willis herself on the stand. she was pretty confrontatioal, she had lengthy answers to show she had nothing to hide. were you surprised the state did not bring her back to the stand today? >> i thought it was a really smart move. i agree with you, yesterday was a roller coaster. it was sort of like up, down, up, down. that's the way trials work. we're not at the end of it. we could have a lot more as katie just said. i think it was a really smart move for the state not to ask any questions. why? one, she got her story out. she spoke at length for hours so there's not a lot to gain by asking her more questions, and what did they do by not asking any questions? one, they signaled to the judge we didn't -- she wasn't damaged at all. she wasn't hurt. there was nothing -- they didn't sort of lay a glove on her so you don't need to ask any questions. second, by not asking questions you do not give
rosenberg, former u.s.rney and senior fbi official. it was a dramatic day in court yesterday, and we last heard fani willis herself on the stand. she was pretty confrontatioal, she had lengthy answers to show she had nothing to hide. were you surprised the state did not bring her back to the stand today? >> i thought it was a really smart move. i agree with you, yesterday was a roller coaster. it was sort of like up, down, up, down. that's the way trials work. we're not at the end of it....
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also back with me now is chuck rosenberg. that letter in essence beside the point because frankly individual justices decide whether to recuse him. obviously thomas didn't, in fact, he was the first questioner today. >> right. thomas should resign. here you have a guy who's been flying on all of these billionaires' private jets, his kids tuition gets paid by his billionaire buddy. he got a loan forgiven by another rich buddy. this is not behavior we would tolerate in any government official, much less a supreme court justice. is anything going to happen? no. and, like, the trump case itself, the case that was argued today before the supreme court shows us why. you know, president trump incited an insurrection that attacked the united states senators themselves. he put their lives at risk. and yet we couldn't get the 67 votes we need in the senate to remove trump from office. so if you can't remove the guy who literally sent a mob to attack the senate from office, you're not going to get republicans to vote to remove clarence
also back with me now is chuck rosenberg. that letter in essence beside the point because frankly individual justices decide whether to recuse him. obviously thomas didn't, in fact, he was the first questioner today. >> right. thomas should resign. here you have a guy who's been flying on all of these billionaires' private jets, his kids tuition gets paid by his billionaire buddy. he got a loan forgiven by another rich buddy. this is not behavior we would tolerate in any government...
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. >> first show, i will say before we started the program, i was saying to chuck rosenberg saying hereey won, his first ever session in the election. in the case you referred to in july, i think of 2016. and i, like you, emerald enough to remember when prosecutors either charge somebody, and the charging document, or they issued a declension and it said that we declined to prosecute. chuck i think is going to talk about something i don't know is much about, and the detail of it, the difference between back in those days when we had the counsel statute and what we have now where we have a special counsels and what the regulations are and what they have to do. i will say that there is no doubt in my mind that this special prosecutor could have written the same report without using these words, elderly man with a port memory. like you, i'm a simple country journalist. i have a lot of different ways to say this without saying something like this. >> john, i'm a simple country lawyer, and i know, what is the headline? watching the headline from this report? not indicted. >> not guilty. >> n
. >> first show, i will say before we started the program, i was saying to chuck rosenberg saying hereey won, his first ever session in the election. in the case you referred to in july, i think of 2016. and i, like you, emerald enough to remember when prosecutors either charge somebody, and the charging document, or they issued a declension and it said that we declined to prosecute. chuck i think is going to talk about something i don't know is much about, and the detail of it, the...
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. >> chuck rosenberg, former fbi official and excellent explainer of hard things. have you here. >> my pleasure, rachel. >> stay with us, we'll be right back. ok, well most of s yours. mmmm... millions of children are fighting to survive due to inequality, conflict, poverty and the climate crisis. save the children® is working alongside communities to provide a better life for children. and there's a way you can help. please call or go online to give just $10 a month. only $0.33 a day. we urgently need 1000 new monthly donors in the next 30 days to help the children we support around the world. you can help provide food, medicine, care and protection, plus so much more that a child needs by calling right now and giving just $10 a month. all we need are 1000 monthly donors in the next 30 days. please call or go online now with your monthly gift of just $10. thanks to generous government grants, every dollar you give can have up to ten times the impact. and when you call with your credit card, we will send you this save the children® tote bag as a thank you for your
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attorney chuck rosenberg, an msnbc contributor. lot to talk to you about, but let's start right there. i guess it's worth repeats the facts of this case. donald trump says he had every right to hold onto those documents, to what -- you say what? >> he did not, willie, to your point, those records belonged to the united states government. he was asked for them and didn't return them. he was subpoenaed for them and didn't return them. and so the fbi, working through the u.s. attorney's office, went to a federal judge and got a court authorized search warrant, permitting them to go to mar-a-lago, and take the documents. and by the way, what did they find at mar-a-lago? classified documents which mr. trump said he didn't have. so, to your other point, all of this information is out there. it's easy to find. you can read the search warrant affidavit. this was all done pursuant to law. the way it ought to be done. >> so where is this case, chuck? there's so much -- i mean, just thinking the viewer out there, trying to sort through. all t
attorney chuck rosenberg, an msnbc contributor. lot to talk to you about, but let's start right there. i guess it's worth repeats the facts of this case. donald trump says he had every right to hold onto those documents, to what -- you say what? >> he did not, willie, to your point, those records belonged to the united states government. he was asked for them and didn't return them. he was subpoenaed for them and didn't return them. and so the fbi, working through the u.s. attorney's...
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chuck rosenberg and kristi greenberg, thank you for your time and early analysis on all this. >>> tomorrow night starting at 8:00 p.m. eastern speaking of the 14th amendment, i'll be joining our colleagues in our prime time special coverage, a recap of oral arguments at the supreme court. all about that 14th amendment case, you're not going to want to miss it. >>> coming up secretary of state hillary clinton weighs in on the war in gaza and what she thinks needs to happen with prime minister b.b. netanyahu. that is next. . netanyahu. that is next ah, these bills are crazy. she has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a term policy! find out if you're sitting on a goldmine. call coventry direct today at the number on your screen, or visit coventrydirect.com. >>> today israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu rejected a counter proposal for a cease-fire put forward by hamas saying there's no solution besides tota
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. >> there is an argument, chuck rosenberg was on the show last weekend and he made an argument about ramp for the supreme court. take a listen. >> from holding office, not from running for office. some of the judges that have already tried to answer these hard questions have seized on that. >> that distinction between holding office and running for office. if they choose to take that off ramp, if they say, go ahead, let this proceed, let's see how the election plays out, that seems to me to be more politically fraught on the back and then it is to make the decision now. >> much more so. i have a lot of respect for -- but here's the problem with that. it's like saying a 17 year old could run for president. that the state of colorado needs to put them on the ballot. it is only that they win the presidential electors, that's at that point, they get disqualified. the disqualification, the qualification of people to run for office is different to what states do. to your point, i think that this would be a calamity. if donald trump is allowed to run for president, then god forbid he were t
. >> there is an argument, chuck rosenberg was on the show last weekend and he made an argument about ramp for the supreme court. take a listen. >> from holding office, not from running for office. some of the judges that have already tried to answer these hard questions have seized on that. >> that distinction between holding office and running for office. if they choose to take that off ramp, if they say, go ahead, let this proceed, let's see how the election plays out, that...
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chuck, rosenberg and kristy greenberg, thank you for your time, and analysis on this.ciate you. tomorrow night, starting at eight pm eastern, speaking of the 14th amendment that will be joining our colleagues in our primetime special coverage, a recap of oral arguments at the supreme court, all about that 14th amendment case, you are not going to want to miss it. coming up, secretary of state hillary clinton weighs in on the war in gaza, and what she thinks needs to happen to prime minister bibi netanyahu. that is next. that is next. that is next. only sleep number smart beds let you each choose your individual firmness and comfort. your sleep number setting. and actively cools and warms up to 13 degrees on either side. now save 50% on the sleep number limited edition smart bed. plus, free home delivery when you add an adjustable base ends monday. only at sleep number. only sleep number smart beds let you each choose your individual firmness and comfort. your sleep number setting. and actively cools and warms up to 13 degrees on either side. now save 50% on the sleep n
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attorney and senior fbi official chuck rosenberg. 200,000 voters is not nothing.it a sign that something might be catching one trump, or should we not read too much into it? >> reporter: money is absolutely a concern for not only trump but also his allied organizations as well as the republican national committee, which has just $8 million cash on hand, which lara trump is looking to be the co-chair of. i just got off the phone with an rnc member who told me that there's no reason to believe that the committee of 168 members will not support her to be that co-chair. she said there would absolutely be "associated press" in -- interest in covering the legal expenses. in 2022 the rnc executive committee approved the spending of $2 million to help deaf some of donald trump's legal expenses, but when you get to the question could they do this again, chris, the answer by and large is most likely yes. the fec rules on this are very vague, especially when you get to the point in which donald trump becomes the presumptive nominee and is able to set up what is called the jo
attorney and senior fbi official chuck rosenberg. 200,000 voters is not nothing.it a sign that something might be catching one trump, or should we not read too much into it? >> reporter: money is absolutely a concern for not only trump but also his allied organizations as well as the republican national committee, which has just $8 million cash on hand, which lara trump is looking to be the co-chair of. i just got off the phone with an rnc member who told me that there's no reason to...
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former attorney and msnbc contributor, chuck rosenberg. so long. talk about how maybe that delay was caused by wanting a unanimous ruling? >> joe, first of all, from my perspective in having litigated in the circuit court, but it didn't take long at all, four weeks, and in reporter world, that's long, but not in lawyer world. they all joined a single opinion, and it's 57 pages long. i read it yesterday and it's thoughtful and forceful. the fact that they were unanimous and of one voice lends heft to their opinion. taking more time to get it right, because you know this opinion will be subject to enormous scrutiny is well worth it. unanimity was important, and the forcefulness of the opinion was important, and the fact that it took longer than folks might have liked, in my view, doesn't matter all that much. >> for en cirt to be granted, you have to have four justices, right? >> yes. >> and i would say the institution of john roberts is saying we want to stay out of politics and have as little to do with this as possible, and we are all han
former attorney and msnbc contributor, chuck rosenberg. so long. talk about how maybe that delay was caused by wanting a unanimous ruling? >> joe, first of all, from my perspective in having litigated in the circuit court, but it didn't take long at all, four weeks, and in reporter world, that's long, but not in lawyer world. they all joined a single opinion, and it's 57 pages long. i read it yesterday and it's thoughtful and forceful. the fact that they were unanimous and of one voice...
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attorney and msnbc contributor chuck rosenberg and mary mccord and former acting u.s. neal, what's at stake today in the supreme court? and do you think they'll be looking more for off ramps or to address the question? >> well, this is one of the most momentous question the supreme court has ever had to deal with, which is, whether someone could be disqualified from the ballot because they gave aid and comfort to insurrectionists. the colorado supreme court answered that question yes. i think it's a hard thing for the challengers to donald trump in today's argument, because there are so many different off ramps that would allow the supreme court not to decide the case one way or the other. i actually think that's the wrong legal answer. i think if you delve into briefs and so on, that actually the case against trump is really, really strong. i am worried about the advocates and their ability to present that case. the briefing against trump wasn't particularly strong. the friend of the court briefs was very strong. hopefully they'll be able to tap into that reservoir of
attorney and msnbc contributor chuck rosenberg and mary mccord and former acting u.s. neal, what's at stake today in the supreme court? and do you think they'll be looking more for off ramps or to address the question? >> well, this is one of the most momentous question the supreme court has ever had to deal with, which is, whether someone could be disqualified from the ballot because they gave aid and comfort to insurrectionists. the colorado supreme court answered that question yes. i...