how the cipa deadlines may or may not impact that day.m so glad you brought up the manhattan d.a. case. i'm glad that you brought it up in the context that it is and election interference case, as well. a lot of people refer to it as a hush money case. of course, there were hush money payments made to stormy daniels. the crux of the case deals with donald trump trying to hide the fact that he made those payments in the first pace to influence the outcome of that 16 election. talk about what you think of allen weisselberg being in negotiations right now to plead guilty to perjury and whether not you think that incentivizes him to perhaps complain about his former boss. >> i think the allen weisselberg cooperation train left the station long ago. we know allen weisselberg is a crook. now we know he is a liar, as well. i say crook because he is a convicted felon for having been involved in a 15-year-long criminal scheme to defraud in the first degree while he was part of the trump organization. he pleaded guilty to that. he went to rikers. h

cipa provides a specific subsection for an expedited appeal.se of us watching the time line of trump's trials, if judge smith is unhappy with cannon's rulings, jack smith's team can take an immediately appeal. i would mention quickly before i say good-bye to you guys, there's a move by donald trump to get access to the section 4 filing itself. what do i mean by that? jack smith had to file a section 4 filing under seal, submitted to the court. donald trump actually wants his hands on that document. that's unusual. contained within that filing is a sworn declaration from the intelligence community explaining why each particular piece of evidence that's classified information is classified, why it's so important, and why it reaches those very elevated standards of being protected and guarded. the judge today is also hearing arguments from both sides as to the merits of whether or not donald trump and the other defendants in this case can actually get their hands on the section 4 filing. >> katie phang, jameel jeffers, and charles coleman, thank y

iran, i was working for an agency called sipa, not as a, i was a freelance, but my agen and he was cipa and i went there i think february or march and i stay in a in a small hotel in the bazar called amir kabir and then during i stayed there almost a month and i was very depressed because i could see nothing you know i was trying to find out something but nothing happened actually but then i came after my first trip i came back from iran without any not much you without anything then uh everybody of course when i came back to the agency again everybody laugh at me because i was full to imagine something would happen in a country like iran, you know, then after in june or july i decided to go there again to take a chance to to see more, because of course during that time i was more news about you know demonstration in iran, then when i came second time, i remember very well, the director of my agency told okay, you can do whatever you want, but you should think about the show of... around because if you do something with the with the family of the shah it will be published in the in the

this is an argument under our classified information procedures act, cipa, section 4.ike a regular trial when you have a trial like this one for donald trump's alleged possession of classified information at mar-a-lago, the defendants don't get every piece of paper. yes, donald trump and the other defendants will get information that's helpful and necessary. but the government can hold back certain documents, redact others, substitute names with john doe, and have the judge make other changes where you balance national security with the right of every defendant to have a fair trial. and you go through that sometimes document by document. and that is what is happening in court. both sides will talk, as we say, ex parte, by themselves with the judge. and then the judge, judge cannon, will make some decisions. >> this is highly classified documents. and there have been other cases, obviously. you can't just throw those out to every single person that is involved in the case. the government obviously arguing to keep some of those documents classified and away from the defe

the florida case is probably drifting towards after the election, but not surprisingly based on the cipa, the classified information component, that really dictates a slow process. >> i should note it's not just people, you know, who are complaining saying she's partisan, she also had bungled some things up front that nonpartisan lawyers had said she'd made mistakes on. i do want to ask you just overall trump's legal team we just found out he spent $50 million on legal expenses just last year alone. you know, he had the $83.3 million verdict from that jury on friday. he's had a lot of verdicts going against him. do you think that he's getting his money's worth or i guess i should say his donors since i guess that's where the money's coming from? >> that was a great roundabout way to get me to comment on the attorneys. >> i thought it was pretty direct, actually. >> well, took a while, but i figured out where you were going. look, the bottom line is, you know, these are unprecedented times. i think it's a very bad sign and a common one between all these types of cases even some of the civ

and the other problem we have about going to trial and may is that cipa the statute we just told about that governors what going on, throws a bag and it's that short right to an appeal if something happens and this disclosure of classified information. so because of that, because you have a baked in delay mechanism that's in fear, the realistic go into trial and may in this case doesn't seem likely. i think the other problem we have is this. this is the calculus, i think, for jack smith right now. is it worth it for it to be delayed? meaning, if i were to take a right -- tell judge cannon she is wrong, once again, for the third time, it's going to delay. once you take that you are going to insert your own measure of delay, if you are jack smith. i think that's part of the calculus. can we get it across the finish line in a timely way before november? >> pandora's box for sure. todd live for you both, katie and tim, to stand by. we hit to the white house was some parent new reaction from the biden camp on special counsel robert hur's classified documents report. joining me now is nbc's

so the whole point of this cipa statute is to make it hard for the defense to use gray mail. i would suspect that you're -- that donald trump is privately in his private meetings with the judge trying to talk about all of the classified information that he wants to get his hands on, above and beyond what was at mar-a-lago, and to make arguments about why that is vital to his defense and the government is saying no, don't allow that. and that that is exactly why the statute is in play. this is the kind of issue, though, that government is going to take so seriously that if they think that judge is wrong here, they have a right under the statute to appeal to the 11th circuit as we know the 11th circuit has not been shy in reversing judge cannon. it has happened twice already. it will remain to be seen whether this goes up for their time to the 11th circuit. >> put a pin in that thought. i want to ask you, katie fang, if you think this comparison team trump is trying to make here with the hur report, the gray mail piece of this, if it is as we have seen from trump's piece really