. >> joining me is the host of the conversations, coleman hughes. coleman, we were just here talking about this last night as it was happening. you made the point that the republican party does not want to necessarily hear nikki haley give a nuanced answer on race. however, i had to know. a lot of republicans are criticizing her for this. the desantis campaign, even the trump campaign. is that in good faith? >> no. i don't think so. i think they would criticize her for saying anything at this point. she's their approximate competition. in so far as i understand what haley is trying to get at, it's this. what is unique about america isn't that there's racism. certainly there's racism but that's not what is unique. slavery was legal for thousands of years all around the world. what's unique is in our founding documents, for the first time, a the contractic state aspired to move past these evils and eventually did after the civil war and after the civil rights movement. >> do you think that you understand, to coleman's point, why haley wants to move pa